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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #760 on: September 18, 2010, 03:28:14 am »
Nasty for sure! But it looks like you'd need an absolute shitload of thermite for the 9/11 job would you not? In this clip, it made an extremely hot fire (I think they said 2,000 degrees) HOT! But it isn't near hot enough to disintegrate steel. It may melt it over time, but there ain't no time in the case of the WTC.

Please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm certainly no expert.

nanothermite is military grade thermite which is more explosive than C4 + it is able to eat through steel like nothing. the only one who can manufacture it is the US mlitary. AE911TRUTH has shown that nanothermite was used. it accounts for all of the damage we have seen thusfar. Steven Jones even found unexploded nanothermite from ground zero samples. it was estimated that tons of it was used and there were multiple security breeches while Marvin Bush was director of Kroll who ran security at the WTC. Kroll is well known for creating false flag black ops terror attacks throughout asia and south america.

This is all fairly easy to research on your own to verify.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #761 on: September 19, 2010, 09:44:16 pm »
Truth and the Twin Towers - Both Bite the Dust
By Cathy Garger
Axis of Logic exclusive
Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010

Dedicated to the angels with beautiful hearts and clipped wings, the emergency responders who toiled for days, giving their very lives - quite literally - often suffering debilitating diseases and disorders, dying slow and painful deaths for doing nothing more than trying to save the lives of 3,000... lives that had, for the most part, already been vaporized into fine dust.

The Beginning of Enlightenment

Unless you're a reptile or psychopath totally devoid of conscience, I'll bet anything that September 11 is an anniversary you're unlikely to ever forget. Much like a soldier with PTSD, horrible images and gut-wrenching visuals come flooding back. And on these anniversaries, endless, horrendous freeze-frame pictures and video scenes playing flash back movies of real life horror scenes incessantly bombard our minds.

The single most horrific event imaginable took place nine years ago today and the nightmare was repeated so many times that, in our deepest recesses of brain functioning, the tragic memories will never leave us. These very images from the Big Apple were used to perpetuate wars without end in endless carnage and death-by-internal radiation poisoning upon entire populations - invasions, occupations, and genocide... waged against fabricated "terrorist", "radical" or "insurgent" enemy groups wherever natural resources - goodies-to-be-coveted by barbarians hiding between the red, white, and blue - have been found.

Like soldiers who witness gut-wrenching horrors in battle, we, too, can count on being shell-shocked for the rest of our lives. By watching in full color the horrid beginning of a never-ending war on humanity, all of us who were 5 and older that particular September 11 are likely to be traumatized forever.

And if you're a bright person with a sharp, questioning mind, today you will watch with gut-wrenching disgust the news stations repeating the vile lies about cold-hearted Muslims who hate our freedoms. Thus, after nine years, no doubt you are sick and tired of the governments' lies... falsehoods repeated and reinforced regularly to cement the lies in our deepest level of consciousness.

And the controllers have mighty good help with this, as the media works hand in glove with those in power to ensure America never discovers what really happened.

For longer than I care to share, I was one of those trusting lemmings. But eventually, after smelling something foul in the "official" rendition of the events of September 11, I began researching that day in earnest. After watching Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, I became a LIHOP (Let it Happen On Purpose) disciple, and then, upon further study, moved to the far more disturbing MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose) with an even darker, macabre sense of reality beginning to set in. 

Soon thereafter, I became a member of the new Scholars for 9-11 Truth group. I did so hoping to work alongside others seeking to discover THE truth, THE definitive answer as to what exactly had pulverized two 110-story skyscrapers into little more than powdery dust. In an effort to absorb wisdom from so-called "experts," I followed every word out of the mouths of these degreed individuals. And, as I did not discover till much later, most of these scholarly "experts" just so happened to be "retired" federal employees.

Fascinating, isn't it, how these so-called 9-11 "experts" possess backgrounds in Army/Marine Intelligence, a weapons laboratory associated with the Department of [Advanced Fusion] Energy, Air Force space weapons, [directed energy weapons] plus a plasma and space engineering scientist [advanced energy technology] brought in later. These pillars of the 9-11 "Truth" community also included professors, an aged movie actor, and more than one "Man of God" as poster boys for Scientific Truth. Apparently, if you plan on creating a Movement designed to hide the weapon? It only makes sense to hire career men in these areas - all the better to sprinkle magic thermite dust all over the place to cover up the actual evidence.

Mind you, I did not recognize any of this initially as I'd never before even heard of the term "controlled opposition".

Over a couple of years, however, certain things became obvious to those of us beginning to sniff the explosive stench of "super-thermite". In essence, numbers of the curious and outraged grew, as an ever larger, more aware populace sought both answers and justice for the deaths of not just 3,000 in New York City, but rather, millions of innocents... including the deaths of Afghans and later, Iraqis, killed in the post-September 11 fabricated "War On Terror" via radioactive poison gas dispersed with gusto via NATO and US Uranium weapons.

So What's All This About Controlled Opposition?

Like other growing citizen movements from the 1960s to the present day, after a few years those running the show apparently deemed the ever-growing numbers of 9-11 truth and justice-seekers in need of some "management." The resulting operation, labeled the "9-11 Truth Movement", sprung up initially out of big cities like New York, spreading eventually to large metropolitan areas throughout the US and beyond.

Official 9-11 Truth meeting content, discussions, films, speaking events and actions were pretty much cut from a cookie cutter mold from city to city: Let's get a petition to the NY Attorney General's office demanding a real investigation. Let's wear our black t-shirts and stand at strategic street corners holding pre-printed 9-11 Truth signs. Let's stage a 9-11 March. Let's talk about put options and Larry Silverstein telling the firefighters to "pull" Building 7 (i.e. controlled demolition). Let's table wherever crowds are gathered, passing out materials and selling our sanctioned books, CDs, and bumper stickers. Let's discuss ad nauseum how 19 freedom-hating Arabs on suicide missions from Allah couldn't fly small Cessna planes [never mind Boeing passenger jets] and how a certain janitor reportedly heard explosions in the North tower.

Although the 9-11 Truth Movement shtick was changed a bit here and there to reflect occasional new developments, the bottom line was always that the [doctored] “Truth” Americans would hear would be uniform throughout the nation. And at "Truth" events from Vermont to Vancouver, you would always be greeted with a cordial handshake from a bright, articulate individual wearing a black t-shirt and a smile, eager to guide you into Official 9-11 Truth-dom.

And although I'm embarrassed to admit it now, like many 9-11 activists and researchers years ago? I, too, was once sucked right into the teachings of the "Truth Movement" operation without as much as a clue.

The Operation's Structure Becomes More Evident

It takes some time, but when one is paying enough attention, it eventually becomes obvious the "Truth Movement" is managed from the top, with a nationally organized central "Headquarters". Yes, a southern organizer one time "slipped" and used that word in referring to her 9-11 Truth organizational contact to whom she reported. Thus, the kind of headquarters we're talking about is not one you could visit, but rather... some sort of Spook Central with armed MPs out front.

No doubt, Truth Headquarters has a knack for selecting outgoing and inordinately bright and professional representatives and training them how to "guide" the 9-11 Outraged. With a slick, focused website and contact information for locations throughout the US, it's not hard to see this is a well-organized deal. After talking to several such contacts in different cities, the pattern became crystal clear. Eerily, regardless of which city, these black shirts chant the same mantras, deliver the same explanations, quote the same saviors, and posit the standard WTC destruction theory without a moment's hesitation. Why, from coast to coast, these contacts even send you the very same films, burned on homemade CDs, sometimes with stickers or a book if you're lucky - mailed to you - for free!

Great way to capture the Truth seekers' names and addresses, eh? Sure glad my tax monies go to fund such a worthy educational cause.

In fact, the more one meets these black-shirted organizers and authors of books filled with 9-11 lies, deception, and mis-direction, it becomes beyond obvious these minders of the Empire have a clear and specific agenda. In fact, once during a newly forming 9-11 Truth meeting, Webster Tarpley was talking to us on the speaker phone in the midst of Israel bombing the hell out of Lebanon. I later found it fascinating, at a 9-11 Truth event featuring a presentation by Tarpley centered around the fact that Cheney masterminded 9-11, (not dummy Dubya) that Tarpley's wife and the wife of the local Truth organizer were both sitting together, all close and chummy.

Lesson Number One: when your gut feels uneasy? Pay attention.

These 9-11 Truth conversations were nothing if not predictable. Without exception, no organizer would ever (as in never) venture to share other, alternative, thermite-free theories. One time, a group leader became more than a bit distressed when I kept trying to chat about other plausible (i.e., non-thermite) ideas. I can still recall the pained expression on his face when he tried his best to be patient and diplomatically agree with one of my points: "Yes, all that talk about missiles at the World Trade Center is a really interesting theory, sure, and I tend to personally believe it might be true. But..." (and then he moved towards me, and whispered, as if about to share some top secret insider knowledge) "if we talk about these things, we will lose credibility and hurt The Movement. So let's just try at first to stick to safe things - things people will understand."

I wish I had a dollar for every Truth agent who admonished us not to “hurt the Movement”. This slippery agent out of Miami brought condescension to a whole new level of low by implying that preserving “the Movement” is more important than discovering exactly what went down. Thoughts of Jack Nicholson in the courtroom sprang to mind as he bellowed at Tom Cruise: "You can't handle the truth!"

Preserving the single, unified "Movement" was THE primary mission with which they'd been tasked. Actual Truth, the honest discovery of what obliterated the twin towers as the goal, you say? Ha! In fact, the real goal of this professional op is Preservation-at-all-costs of the single-bullet (or, rather) single-thermite theory.

Behind the cordial facade at the Truth meetings and "expert" speakers' presentations? These guys (and gals) are downright brutal. In fact, those who refuse to tow the line and regurgitate the dogma of the Official 9-11 Truth "Movement" are publicly trashed and subject to a steady onslaught of character assassinations that follow one around the various yahoo groups, forums, and blogs. Posts authored by anyone daring to challenge the "Official 9-11 Truth" Gospel-According-to-Los Alamos are banned from blogs and ridiculed publicly, like public floggings in village squares centuries ago.

Unfortunately for the free-thinking, anyone who dares challenge the Darlings of the "Truth Movement" are routinely slammed, ridiculed, or labeled in some manner of lunatic-ization. Whether called a whack-o, traitor, or dis- or mis-information agent, the message is clear. If one holds a theory or provides evidence other than the doctrine of the "controlled demolition" operation, he or she is marginalized by more than a few goons... whose job duties are limited to slam dunking anyone who dares not keep sacrosanct the doctrines of the Almighty God and Savior of Thermite.

The Tidy Movement Begins to Unravel

Eventually, when bright minds started researching and publishing things that did not quite "fit" with the Official 9/11 Truth Movement's rendition of Truth, major drama ensued as the Scholars group was sharply divided into those who believe in Thermite and those who entertained other ideas. Those with other ideas were never mentioned on the national "Headquarters" organization website, for Thermite-only was their gospel.

But it wasn't until September 11, 2006 that bells and whistles started going off for me. For it was on that day I met Dr. Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds at a 9-11 "Truth" event in Washington, DC, along with “patriot” Colonel Robert Bowman (Ronald Reagan's Space Wars directed energy weapons guy). I introduced myself to Reynolds and Wood, but not without caution. I had read all over the Internet they were "dis-info" agents, so I approached them with reservation, curious to find out for myself why they had resigned from Scholars. After hearing how their research has been undermined, however, what I had been absorbing as Gospel Truth all suddenly started collapsing in rapid free-fall style.

After the meeting, I learned more in a few months than I had in years spent following the coat tails of the positioned "controlled demolition" experts. After examining more WTC pictures and those of controlled demolitions of other buildings, one thing became clear as the blue skies that September, 2001 morning: New York's majestic skyscrapers clearly did not merely explode a la controlled demolition, but rather, were somehow otherwise pulverized into a voluminous quantity of fine dust powder... quite unlike any known conventional demolition event that preceded it.

It soon became apparent that whoever was being attacked most "energetically" for the crime of possessing views other than 9-11 "group think" were the very researchers worth listening to.

Those who started speaking out about the "other ideas" camp and refused to swallow the thermite pill were courted for various purposes. Yet this time, it was easy to see how free thinkers were being set up to go on radio shows, initially glorified, only to be slammed later in the interview. Eventually, there was no denying this pattern. By comparison, those in the controlled demolition camp were afforded a slick PR machine, complete with frequent speaking opportunities, and TV, radio, films, and print media limelight.

The alternative researchers with "other ideas", however, remained in obscurity with no posse, no PR machine, and no funding.

Yet despite the relative anonymity of the independent researchers who have not yet exactly been catapulted into awareness of the general population? Rest assured... they, too, will one day have their day. All throughout history brilliant - albeit solitary - souls who dared hear the beat of a different drum were, at the time, made out to be as unstable, their theories or works declared inferior or unsound. Sadly, these researchers have been ridiculed mercilessly for their crime of thinking outside the box and challenging the Official 9/11 Truth Movement's approved theories. Now, as we all know, it is typically these very same free-thinkers, ostracized during their time, who were - and still are - centuries later seen as the true geniuses they actually are.

Let's not forget Vincent Van Gogh, the world renown artist, whose work was not valued nor appreciated in his day and sold only one of his paintings in his lifetime.

Coming to Grips

Getting to this place of waking up and smelling the stench of controlled opposition was not easy. It is difficult when we not only have to face head on the horrors of the perpetrators, but, too, the deceit of many in the opposition groups who posed as friends. Developing bonds with these characters can be painful when the truth behind their real mission eventually comes out. There are indeed a few such charlatans I let into my world, only to learn afterwards their concern about me was anything but benign.

Luckily, my antennae that tracks phonies finally sounded when two such "pals" were reluctant to share details about their families and lives, as friends typically do. And when one of them actually asked me outright for a written list of all my projects (so he could "get to know me better") my inner alarm started to sound. These betrayals were perhaps even more difficult to bear than learning that the POTUS and his shadowy backers had carried out the whole deal in order to manufacture justification ad garner support from Americans for the illegal invasion, destruction, radioactive poisoning, and theft of resources - and poppy income in the Middle East.

Admittedly, this inner work is not easy. Discovery of such horror is likely to put even the most chipper spirits in a mighty dark state of funk. And what was nearly impossible to come to terms with was trying to figure out what kind of monsters would commit the mass murder of thousands of their very own? And then I remembered my college courses in psychopathology.

What suckers we were to believe the lies of supposed "Truth!" Eventually we came to realize those with lofty careers in Intel do not leave their line of work only to retire as "whistle blowers" and "patriots"... exactly the same way that that advanced energy weapon scientists do not pursue such careers merely to spend the rest of their days pushing explosives and controlled demolition, such as the kind of "Truth" Dubya told us about the "operatives" who planted explosives in the towers.

I swear I'm not making this up. On September 15, 2006, President George W. Bush, in the Rose Garden at the White House told reporters at a press conference:

"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

So as we can see, Americans generally have no clue that not only do those in power lie, but so, too, do those who pretend to rally against the liars in power. These charlatans who hide behind choirboy images and "patriot" personas are specially trained how to speak with forked tongue... taught to keep the actual truth at bay and bring to their knees anyone who dares think for herself.

Eventually it becomes quite apparent that those who, er, "used to" work in high places for the feds were the ones with one agenda and one agenda alone: they would explain their theories, attempt to fit some science around them, declare the single, definitive method used to fell the towers - and Voila! Mission Accomplished! But this was not being done solely by the usual "Movement" characters alone. Over time, others chimed in to tell us Yes! It was Generation IV nukes! Or, look the other way - It was definitively, positively the instrument played by angels up in Alaska!

Professional Truthers like to neatly wrap things up for us. Once a weapon is named, then we can all go back to sleep.

This Weapon? That Explosive? What the Hell Difference Does It Make?

If you say you know which precise weapon was used, you'd better have more than a theory and be able to provide some evidence, some proof of concept.

The difference with one independent researcher who split from our scholarly group, Dr. Judy Wood, for example, was that she presented evidence - in photos and words - leading us to consider the possibility that directed energy weaponry was used at the WTC. Note that Dr. Wood never stated which type of weapon was used. From her work we also learn why other methods were implausible to explain the pulverized dust. In essence, Dr. Wood presented evidence for us to consider, and simply asked the reader to open his own eyes and decide what happened for himself.

In addition, there were many other things (other than pulverization of the towers) upon which Dr. Wood and another researcher, Andrew Johnson, began to report on. These include fascinating experiments conducted by John Hutchison which demonstrated some proof of Nikola Tesla's concepts, making a clear case for certain types of advanced energy phenomena discovered at Ground Zero.

Then, there's spectacular intrigue and mystery reported on Dr. Wood's website that's better than anything out of Hollywood. It involves the not so little matter of a fusion scientist's murder - a fellow who dared dispute the Los Alamos Weapons Lab-trained head Truth Movement's fusion scientist's work. And then, too, is another murder - this one of a grad student who just so happened to have worked as Dr. Judy Wood's assistant in an experiment designed to debunk work of the Truth Movement's fusion scientist regarding the glowing of aluminum. Even more intriguing? This now dead student was the nephew of the fellow who replaced the murdered scientist as Editor of an advanced energy magazine.

Sometimes what goes along with manufactured “Truth” is anything but pretty.

Fascinating research has also been brought to us courtesy of Dr. Wood involving Hurricane Erin. Traveling up the Atlantic coast since September 1, 2001 and becoming closest to New York City's twin towers on September 11, 2001, Erin was tracked in an experiment conducted by NOAA (National Oceanic and Administrative Administration) and a NASA satellite "spacecraft"- outside the awareness of the American public.

Perhaps equally as fascinating? The Langley Research Center recorded Hurricane Erin taking a sharp turn away from the Big Apple, according to their experts at NASA's spy facility. Some may call this an amazing coincidence. Others may want to read about the various roles played by satellites. Hint: They can do more than track storms.

Someone please tell me this. Since when do the weather people ever fail to tell us when a hurricane is headed for the US coast? And when in the world have they ever failed to tell us when a hurricane is heading straight for the Big Apple, particularly since New York City is not exactly a place where hurricanes normally strike? And why is it that Dr. Judy Wood, an unpaid independent researcher, picked up on Erin - and the space experiment taking place that day in a satellite over the Atlantic off the NYC coast when no one on the morning TV news stations did?

All of these oddities, lies, and omissions surrounding the "Truth Movement" are indeed disturbing. And while some merely throw up their hands and say, "So what? Who cares if it was thermite - or nukes - or advanced energy weapons, for that matter? What difference does it make if we ever find out what method they used to obliterate the towers, as long as we know who done it?"

The answer, dear reader, is both simple and critical to understand. While explosives and mini-nukes have often been named as the smoking gun for the murder of not merely 3,000 but actually, the lives of millions in Afghanistan and Iraq... these methods can forever be conveniently attributed to "operatives" planting them in the towers. There are certain exotic weapons, however, that only those in power in one nation could have used while not alerting its own air defense. This precisely points the finger (and, most appropriately, our middle one) directly at one nation - and one nation alone.

The gig is now up and the perpetrators know it. They have proven already they will go to any means necessary... and by that, I do mean any means necessary to preserve the carefully orchestrated facade that individuals from other nations were responsible for the hits in the Big Apple.

Whatever you do, don't take my word for any of this. I did my homework and so you must, too. Review the resources below and decide for yourself. And if you’re disturbed by all this? Whatever you do, make some noise.

Could 9-11 be carried out again? To borrow a quote from one of the Movement's most beloved choirboys, "we've done it before and we will do it again if need be."

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Resources:

LIHOP and MIHOP courtesy of Nico Haupt

Reliable source of all things decent, honest, and true, President George W. Bush agrees with the Truth Movement that explosives were planted in the towers
http://merln.ndu.edu/archivepdf/terrorism/WH/20060915-2.pdf

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Disintegrate?
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/why/why_indeed.html

Thermite Hypothesis - Consider the Science
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/scientific/JonesScientificMethod.html

Physical Effects and Pictures of Advanced Energy
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

The works of Andrew Johnson, Alternative Researcher with "other [good] ideas"
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms

Timeline: Fusion trashing, independent researchers, the 9-11 Movement's Advanced Energy Choirboy, and 2 murders
www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=162&Itemid=60

Dr. Judy Wood's Grad Student Science Researcher Murdered
http://michaelzebuhr.blogspot.com/2006/09/case-of-michael-zebuhrs-murder-intro.html

Murder of Cold Fusion Scientist Who Stood Up to Dr. Steven Jones
murder http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ7.html

Learn more about Disinformation - What is it? How's it used?
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/disinfo.html

Thinking About 9-11, the Truth, and the Official Movement
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_27305.shtml

Really strange things about the WTC - Evidence of Directed Energy Weapon use
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam1.html

Research of Dr. Judy Wood and Michael Zebuhr (murdered grad student) on Glowing Aluminum
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html
and http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/glowing.html

Hurricane Erin - Closest to WTC on 9-11 - Surprise Surprise!
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/index.html
and http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/010911.erin.towers.gif
and www.spaceweather.ac.cn/publication/jgrs/2003/Geophysical_Research_Letters/2002GL016741.pdf

How to Spot a 9-11 Spook
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/CG/spot_a_spook.html
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Cathy Garger is a freelance writer, organizer, and speaker who works to stop the continued obscene, eternal radiation poisoning of the planet. Living in the shadow of the national District of Crime, Cathy is constantly nauseated by the stench emanating from the nation’s capital during the Washington, DC, federal work week.

Contact the Author - [email protected]





WTC Destruction and 9/11 Cover Up - Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson on TNS Radio - mp3

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This is something of a Marathon - almost 2 hours and 40 mins....
 
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/index.php?dir=&sort=date&order=desc
[14 September, 2010 - mp3 is near the top.  Several previous interviews are also archived here.]
 
We talk about the destruction of the towers, the Qui Tam Court Case and how the 9/11 "Truth" Movement has tried to keep the evidence covered up
 
Thanks to Simon, Steve and Angela for setting it up and spending time.

So is anyone still going to pretend that directed energy weaponry is science fiction?

The denial by some on this forum is staggering.

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« Reply #762 on: September 19, 2010, 09:50:42 pm »
nanothermite is military grade thermite which is more explosive than C4 + it is able to eat through steel like nothing. the only one who can manufacture it is the US mlitary. AE911TRUTH has shown that nanothermite was used. it accounts for all of the damage we have seen thusfar. Steven Jones even found unexploded nanothermite from ground zero samples. it was estimated that tons of it was used and there were multiple security breeches while Marvin Bush was director of Kroll who ran security at the WTC. Kroll is well known for creating false flag black ops terror attacks throughout asia and south america.

This is all fairly easy to research on your own to verify.

Yep, doing just that. It's a freaky world out there!
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #763 on: September 21, 2010, 11:58:36 am »
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Some of the principal evidence that must be explained:

1.  The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain by a free fall speed "collapse."
2.  They underwent mid-air pulverization and were turned to dust before they hit the ground.
3.  The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers.
4.  The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage, if any.
5.  The WTC underground mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends. There were reports that "The Gap" was looted.
6.  The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.
7.  The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up.
8.  The demolition of WTC7 was whisper quiet and the seismic signal was not significantly greater than background noise.
9.  The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
10.  The upper 90 percent, approximately, of the inside of WTC7 was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
11.  One file cabinet with folder dividers survived.
12.  No toilets survived or even recognizable portions of one.
13.  Windows of nearby buildings had circular and other odd-shaped holes in them.
14.  In addition to the odd window damage, the marble facade was completely missing from around WFC1 and WFC2 entry, with no other apparent structural damage.
15.  Fuzzballs, evidence that the dust continued to break down and become finer and finer.
16.  Truckloads of dirt were hauled in and hauled out of the WTC site, a pattern that continues to this day.
17.  Fuming of the dirt pile. Fuming decreased when watered, contrary to fumes caused by fire or heat.
18.  Fuzzyblobs, a hazy cloud that appeared to be around material being destroyed.
19.  The Swiss-Cheese appearance of steel beams and glass.
20.  Evidence of molecular dissociation and transmutation, as demonstrated by the near-instant rusting of affected steel.
21.  Weird fires. The appearance of fire, but without evidence of heating.
22.  Lack of high heat. Witnesses reported that the initial dust cloud felt cooler than ambient temperatures. No evidence of burned bodies.
23.  Columns were curled around a vertical axis like rolled-up carpets, where overloaded buckled beams should be bent around the horizontal axis.
24.  Office paper was densely spread throughout lower Manhattan, unburned, often along side cars that appeared to be burning.
25.  Vertical round holes were cut into buildings 4, 5 and 6, and into Liberty street in front of Bankers Trust, and into Vesey Street in front of WTC6, plus a cylindrical arc was cut into Bankers Trust.
26.  All planes except top secret missions were ordered down until 10:31 a.m. (when only military flights were allowed to resume), after both towers were destroyed, and only two minutes (120 seconds) after WTC 1 had been destroyed.
27.  Approximately 1,400 motor vehicles were towed away, toasted in strange ways, during the destruction of the Twin Towers.
28.  The order and method of destruction of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings.
29.  More damage was done to the bathtub by earth-moving equipment during the clean-up process than from the destruction of more than a million tons of buildings above it.
30.  Twin Tower control without damaging neighboring buildings, in fact all seriously damaged and destroyed buildings had a WTC prefix.
31.  The north wing of WTC 4 was left standing, neatly sliced from the main body which virtually disappeared.
32.  For more than seven years, regions in the ground under where the main body of WTC4 stood have continued to fume.
33.  The WTC1 and WTC2 rubble pile was far too small to account for the total mass of the buildings.
34.  The WTC7 rubble pile was too small for the total mass of the building and consisted of a lot of mud.
35.  Eyewitness testimony about toasted cars, instant disappearance of people by "unexplained" waves, a plane turning into a mid-air fireball, electrical power cut off moments before WTC 2 destruction, and the sound of explosions.
36.  Eyewitness testimony of Scott-pack explosions in fire trucks and fire trucks exploding that were parked near the WTC.
37.  There were many flipped cars in the neighborhood of the WTC complex near trees with full foliage.
38.  Magnetometer readings in Alaska recorded abrupt shifts in the earth's magnetic field with each of the events at the WTC on 9/11.
39.  Hurricane Erin, located just off Long Island on 9/11/01, went virtually unreported in the days leading up to 9/11, including omission of this Hurricane on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean was shown on the map.
40.  Sillystring, the appearance of curious cork-screw trails.
41.  Uncanny similarities with the Hutchison Effect, where the Hutchison Effect exhibits all of the same phenomena listed above.

* Is it possible that such a technology exist? Since invention of the microwave for cooking in 1945 and lasers in 1955*, commercial and military development of directed-energy technology has proceeded apace, so use of directed-energy technology is likely to exist -- and the data tells us it does exist.


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What explanations have been suggested to explain these phenomena?
Seven explanations have been identified:

a.  Natural causes such as earthquakes and hurricanes
b.  Arson
c.  The official theory of airplane impact, fires and weakened steel collapsing
d.  Conventional demolition with explosives such as RDX, dynamite, etc.
e.  Demolition via thermite or its variants
f.  Fission or fusion nukes (and clean bombs)
g.  Beam weapons, energy weapons, directed-energy weapons (DEW)

    (CCD-BiB) = "Conventional Controlled Demolition" with "Bombs in the Building"


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Beam Weapons, Energy Weapons, and Directed Energy Weapons (DEW):

We have used the terms "beam weapons" and "directed energy weapons" to refer to unconventional weapons (exotic weapons) that are energy weapons. We broadly define DEW as Energy that is Directed and is used as a Weapon. The full range of these weapons is classified information, so we make no limits or distinction of categories within the realm of energy weapons, as doing so would imply specific knowledge of all that is available. In the following paragraph, we have listed some of the possibilities we are aware of.

Our critics have accused us of insisting that beam weapons did their damage from outer space, yet we make no claim about whether the directed energy weapon operated from a space-, air-, or ground-based platform. Nor do we make any claim about what wavelength(s) was used, what the source(s) of energy was, whether it involved interference of multiple beams, whether it involved sound waves, whether it involved sonoluminescence, whether it involved antimatter weapons, whether it involved scalar weapons, whether it was HAARP (more here and here), whether it involved a nuclear process (e.g. NDEW, more info), whether it involved conventional directed energy weapons (cDEW), whether it involved improvised directed energy weapons (iDEW), nor what kind of accelerator was used, nor do we claim to know what the serial numbers of the parts that were in the weapon(s).

What we do claim is that the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed.

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« Reply #764 on: September 21, 2010, 01:08:18 pm »


"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."


"When you look beyond the NLP mind control by Judge Judy, then what remains in plain sight, however obvious it is, must be the truth."
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« Reply #765 on: October 05, 2010, 01:38:17 pm »
  A situation has been brought to my attention. There is a forum, 911movement.org, These people are not genuinely concerned with truth. These are also the no-planers. A few people I know, posted a polite rebuttal and both were banned, one on his first day and the other the second day.

 I believe SOME neo-cons, disinformational specialist, whatever they call themselves, have changed their strategies. As we all know, there is an overwhelming amount of provable evidence, and yet some of the public cannot or will not believe it, or even conduct some research into it. By introducing such a ludicrous theory such as no planes, can only be an attempt to ridicule and discredit the "Truth". Please pass this on,and/or check it out yourself. Thanks

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Thank you!

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #766 on: November 04, 2010, 03:13:40 am »
  900 Responders have died--there had to be a series of mini nukes in the towers--radiation kills.  Is there any data on cause of death--cancer, etc.?

Could be asbestos.  This was the reason that the WTC was such a white elephant.  Buildings have a 'use by' date and the WTC had exceeded it's use by day by quite a bit.  They couldn't AFFORD to demolish it.... legally.

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« Reply #767 on: November 04, 2010, 03:23:33 am »
Actually, I had though the same thing.  Ceratinly, at the time it was built, asbestos might well have been installed.  Is there any evidence it was removed before 9/11?  It could explain a lot of the health effects on the rescue and salvage workers.  Was mesothelioma (non-small cell) lung cancer prominent?  Asbestos generally causes a specific form of lung cancer as I undestand it.  Should be identifiable statistically.  radiation would have quite different effects and cause different sets of diseases statistically.

I still think nuke or mini-nukes are probably highly unlikely.  Unnecessary so far to explain what happened that day.  They could have been installing pre-placed explosives or cutting charges (thermite/nano-thermite) for weeks -- or they could have been positioned much earlier.

There has been nano-thermite found in dust from the WTC.  Have not seen any evidence of elevated radiation levels.  Should have been detectable, perhaps even now.

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« Reply #768 on: November 04, 2010, 05:28:14 am »
I still think nuke or mini-nukes are probably highly unlikely.  Unnecessary so far to explain what happened that day.  They could have been installing pre-placed explosives or cutting charges (thermite/nano-thermite) for weeks -- or they could have been positioned much earlier.

You may be forgetting that the individuals behind this crime may have access to technology that the majority of the population is unaware of.  Technology that is way in advance of anything anyone at this time is aware of.  That could explain why so much effort is put into 'cooking up' alternative theories and/or potential misdirection.  Its just a thought.

By the way, I do believe that prior to 9/11 there was some sort of 'shut down' of security in the WTC over a weekend.  I'd love to know what that was for.  May have been a preparation of some sort.

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« Reply #769 on: November 04, 2010, 06:29:12 am »
Preplacing (conventional) demolitions explosives would take weeks, but they would not necessarily have to shut down security to have allowed that.

Yes, the people that conducted 9/11 had access to some pretty amazing technology like PTECH, but had no need for nukes that day.

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« Reply #770 on: November 04, 2010, 06:39:59 am »
Secret Technology is just in essence another way of claiming Magic, or The Faries Did It.


Its not the time or place to trial any uber top secret technology, as these would not have a track record of reliability. Failure would have lead to massive public exposure, and so they would have used tried and tested technologies known for reliability with backup secondary systems in place.

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« Reply #771 on: November 08, 2010, 03:47:48 pm »
Secret Technology is just in essence another way of claiming Magic, or The Faries Did It.

Well I'm sure that there are some pretty powerful and malevolent fairies around who probably do have access to 'secret technology'.  Just as well nobody believes it.  :D

Its not the time or place to trial any uber top secret technology, as these would not have a track record of reliability.

Who says it was a trial?  I'm thinking if there is any such thing as 'top secret technology'.... its already been tried and tested many times before.  Besides, if something does go wrong - who's going to believe it?  Its those 'fairies' don't you know.

Failure would have lead to massive public exposure, and so they would have used tried and tested technologies known for reliability with backup secondary systems in place.

Yeah, just tell the public that a bunch of non existant Arabs with box cutters 'did it'.  No need to bring technology into it at all.  I guess the "average" person is upto 'handling' something along the lines of a box cutter as being technologically advanced.  Just as well, I suppose.

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« Reply #772 on: November 08, 2010, 08:52:24 pm »
Well I'm sure that there are some pretty powerful and malevolent fairies around who probably do have access to 'secret technology'.  Just as well nobody believes it.  :D

Who says it was a trial?  I'm thinking if there is any such thing as 'top secret technology'.... its already been tried and tested many times before.  Besides, if something does go wrong - who's going to believe it?  Its those 'fairies' don't you know.

Yeah, just tell the public that a bunch of non existant Arabs with box cutters 'did it'.  No need to bring technology into it at all.  I guess the "average" person is upto 'handling' something along the lines of a box cutter as being technologically advanced.  Just as well, I suppose.

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« Reply #773 on: November 09, 2010, 01:18:39 am »
Yes Ruth... top secret technology has been tried all over the place. I think thats why we saw steel structure buildings suddenly, for no reason, implode all over the world the last decades.

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Of course there is... new people with a few posts doing that usually are being paid to do that.

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« Reply #774 on: November 10, 2010, 05:50:06 pm »
Pentagon says vapor trail from an aircraft, not a missile
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/pentagon-vapor-trail-aircraft-missile/
By Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, November 10th, 2010 -- 4:18 pm


WASHINGTON — The Pentagon said Wednesday it is satisfied an aircraft -- and not a missile -- was the source of a vapor trail off Los Angeles this week that sparked fears of a mystery missile launch.

It took the Pentagon nearly two days to reach that conclusion after examining video of the plume, FAA radar tracks, its own missile launch detection systems and canvassing the US government.

"There is no evidence to suggest it was anything other than an airplane," said Colonel David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman.
    from the same group of liers that claimed it was a plane the hit the petagone  ::)


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« Reply #775 on: November 10, 2010, 11:51:52 pm »
Is there a particular reason that you feel logic, facts, and evidence are to be avoided at all costs?

Quite the contrary.  But its good to keep an open mind especially when the above is lacking or conspicuously lacking from anyone's thought process.

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« Reply #776 on: November 16, 2010, 04:11:25 am »
This site claims a simultanious TV fakery and real life demolition..

http://www.septemberclues.info/wtc_collapses.htm






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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #777 on: November 16, 2010, 04:27:13 am »
The truth will set you free
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Wake up American slobs
9/11 was an inside job
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« Reply #778 on: November 17, 2010, 03:02:45 am »


I second that. Those people are either paid to say that crap or so stupid that you dont know what you can say to them to make em understand. A facepalm is all that is left we can do. Because anything else would be a waste of time.

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« Reply #779 on: November 18, 2010, 03:47:41 pm »
It's ridiculous. I was going through that site today and they even call the victims fake.
Computer generated names and pictures...
I mean wtf?
And they call Alex Jones a shill for saying there was planes and people died...

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« Reply #780 on: February 10, 2011, 12:00:16 pm »
Where Did The Towers Go? - The Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11
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Video from here - http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/ShorterClips/towers%20book%20trailer2.wmv
Dr Wood's website - http://www.drjudywood.com
Website for the new book - http://wheredidthetowersgo.com

Quote from the website for the book:

... If you are among those who have called for a new, open, and independent investigation, today’s your lucky day! This is not only “The New Investigation,” it is the only comprehensive investigation to date in the public domain. As of this publication only one person —myself, Dr. Judy Wood— has conducted a comprehensive investigation to determine what happened to the World Trade Center (WTC) complex. This was part of the federal qui tam (whistleblower) case I filed (2007) in which I accused the defendants of science fraud.

This book is a summary of the physical evidence submitted in my federal qui tam case accusing the defendants of science fraud. NIST was mandated by congress to “Determine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed…” yet NIST admitted to me that they did not analyze the “collapse.” The contractors they hired with taxpayer money knowingly allowed the fraudulent report to become final. Sadly, this case had no support from the “Truth movement,” leaving the judges free to ignore the law in order to dismiss the case (which they acknowledged they did) so they could sweep it under the carpet. Had this case been allowed to move forward, the defendants (whose expertise is energy weapons) would have been put under oath (equivalent to subpoena power).

This book contains physical evidence, not theories or speculation, but physical evidence that is overwhelming and conclusive as to what happened. ...

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« Reply #781 on: March 07, 2011, 07:27:23 am »
Well we know they had to blow them up to "save the slurry wall big bathtub foundations from flooding Lower Manhattan" and it costing 10's of thousands of more lives and that they had had 4 years before the supposed "2nd WTC Attack" (from 1996) in which to install these thermate and RDX "doomsday" demolitions "security" systems.

The ridiculous notion that some undetected and unseen "Star Wars Spacebeam (LOL) from Pluto" did it is absolutely ludicrous.

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« Reply #782 on: March 07, 2011, 08:20:29 am »
Huh? I found the info to be thought provoking. Looking with an open mind is valuable if for no other reason than to spur ones own train of thought. Dismissive comment as this are as bad ,in my mind, as the dismissivness of those who believe kerosene can collapse buildings. The last (publicized)  leap forward in WMD development was the thermonuclear device in the early fifties, to think they haven't made giant strides forward is ludicrous. They haven't told us of their newest trump card, I am sure. I neither agree or disagree with the theory of focused energy weapons. I do, however, keep an open mind.
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« Reply #783 on: March 07, 2011, 08:28:30 am »
I have read much of this and very suspicous of some things.

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« Reply #784 on: March 14, 2011, 01:24:56 pm »
This is an interview from September 14th, 2010 about the World Trade Centre destruction and the "9/11 truth movement" cover up.
mp3 (2hours 39mins - 27.4 MB) - http://www.mediafire.com/?rk5dan983j8kb25

It's also up on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7wra_mkrU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOc6AAlrFUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKjxmkZXXg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkK8QaskQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uw1s1af9zI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTtS-fXNTz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7LK3CTY7Fg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4eBa3LKtqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTBrr_QIOdw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MLaeawdo-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjoB4_Xq9rk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2h2mTE-TKA

From part 7 of this series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7LK3CTY7Fg (skip to 9mins 50s):

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AJ: [Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth] was started [in 2006] at around the time that [Dr. Judy Wood] filed the Request For Correction - http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/NIST_RFC.html ...

JW: [It was] 3 weeks later.

AJ: ... We privately have discussed whether these two events were connected. But anyway this group ... proudly proclaim on their website that you can make a tax deductible donation to them now - so it's essentially government affiliated.

JW: But what that means is that they can't lobby Congress for a new investigation.

AJ: Well there you go. ... Anyway, I want to read out a little bit of the letter - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=280&Itemid=60 - because there's another chap we know called Abe [Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez]. And he joined the A&E for 9/11 truth group ... and signed their petition because if you sign the petition you are said to be a member. And he wrote to them and said to them "have you heard about the Dr. Wood research into the directed energy weapons? You should look into this." And they wrote back and said:

"We decided to remove you from our list of petition signers because, whether you knew it or not, we have chosen to carefully limit the scope of our message to the collapse of the World Trade Center and the need for a new investigation that would specifically consider the use of explosives in bringing it down. Our message is displayed on our website in the petition and mission statement. The evidence supporting our message is also found on our website, which I am sure you have seen since you signed our petition.

Your suggestion about contacting Judy Wood and engaging in a discussion [which is what Abe suggested] with her about her theories [careful choice of word from them there] about directed energy weapons and other things is a suggestion for action that is outside the scope of our message. We would lose more than we would again. If nothing else we would lose the time required to make such a contact and engage in a discussion / debate whose duration would be unknown. We are also well aware of Judy Wood and her theories. The reason we don't support her or her theories is that they are outside the scope of our message."

So you know, it goes on a bit after that but you can see they've got the scope of their message, but there's no mention of evidence and there's no mention of truth. And there's no mention of the Qui Tam case - http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.shtml - for example, and how this has been put into a legal framework. So they're basically happy to ignore all of that and lead all these other thousand members essentially down a blind alley.

JW: But they were notified about the case going to the Supreme Court and one of the members emailed it to Richard Gage and his, you know, core agents there. And they were angry, wrote back and said we don't want to ever hear about this again.

AJ: Yeah that's right. We've got this from somebody who's involved in this group: "Marshall I am not interested in the topic of this email. Do not include me on any future emails."

And this was in response to .

JW: an announcement that it was going to the Supreme Court.

http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/

9/11 - The New Hiroshima-Pt 1 (Re-edit) - Madison, Aug 2007 (50mins)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7892004186194307613

9/11 - The New Hiroshima - Part 2 (Re-Edit) - Madison, Aug 2007 (1hr 33mins)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6714196008143117547

AN OPEN LETTER TO "PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11.com"

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« Reply #785 on: May 23, 2011, 01:23:46 pm »
Gov. Jesse Ventura talks about Dr. Judy Wood's work on The Alex Jones Show (3mins 20s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP65E3I4fD8

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On May 10, 2011, Alex Jones interviewed former Gov. Jesse Ventura. During the interview they discussed Osama bin Laden, 9/11, and the evolving police state. Recently, Gov. Ventura received a copy of Dr. Judy Wood's book "Where Did The Towers Go?". It is obvious that Gov. Ventura has read the book and this audio clip is proof that his views have shifted. He does not think that the towers felt due to controlled demolition, thermite, mini nukes, etc. Listen to this short audio clip for the proof.

The Alex Jones show can be heard daily on www.infowars.com and prisonplanet.tv

Dr. Judy Wood's websites:

http://www.drjudywood.com

To purchase her book "Where Did The Towers Go?":

http://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com

Subscribe to The Veritas Show at http://www.veritasshow.com


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« Reply #787 on: June 11, 2011, 04:00:38 am »
Huh? I found the info to be thought provoking. Looking with an open mind is valuable if for no other reason than to spur ones own train of thought. Dismissive comment as this are as bad ,in my mind, as the dismissivness of those who believe kerosene can collapse buildings. The last (publicized)  leap forward in WMD development was the thermonuclear device in the early fifties, to think they haven't made giant strides forward is ludicrous. They haven't told us of their newest trump card, I am sure. I neither agree or disagree with the theory of focused energy weapons. I do, however, keep an open mind.

There is a rather large gap in your knowledge.

Your thinking that the last big development was the mere discovery and refinement of nuclear and hydrogen bombs, However you fail to see that in those days the problem was how to deliver the weapon. Hence the space race, which was nothing but a cover story for the development of ICBM.

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« Reply #788 on: July 05, 2011, 09:27:51 pm »
  Regarding D.E.W. I dont know and I seriously doubt any one else on this thread knows either.  Sounds like a bunch of egos farting on each others heads in here, JS!

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« Reply #789 on: August 05, 2011, 12:21:12 pm »
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ebf_1312554402

is this for real? its video of a missile like object hitting the pentagon. the missile is seen at 00:20 seconds in.
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« Reply #790 on: August 05, 2011, 12:25:54 pm »

The overhead video angle looks like a computer simulation/animation to me.

The person narrating sounds like Randall :D

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« Reply #791 on: August 05, 2011, 12:33:16 pm »
ok thanks. now i know who randall is  ;D   wished i didn't
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« Reply #792 on: August 05, 2011, 12:36:36 pm »
What is the video from?
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« Reply #793 on: August 06, 2011, 01:39:34 am »
Well the video is stock footage from the 80s or 90s with some white streak and explosion edited into it. The video is not new and has been posted like 10000 times before everytime with the same "is this for real? its video of a missile like object hitting the pentagon. the missile is seen at 00:20 seconds in." I mean cmon.... everytime someone else is posting it with "is this for real!?!?!?" No it isnt geez ffs.


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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #795 on: August 30, 2011, 04:04:59 am »
Probably one of these 'guys' which looks a bit like a small Jet also confirmed by some eye witnesses.



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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #796 on: August 30, 2011, 04:27:55 am »
'Eyewitnesses Saw a Small Plane'

An eyewitness saw something other than a 757 fly into the Pentagon, such as a commuter jet or cruise missile.

There was a interview with him on 911 which probably has been removed from Tube. They went to great lengths to debunk him by many fake witnesses.

Steve Patterson -- watched from 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City

... it appeared to him that a commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery and headed for the Pentagon ...

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #797 on: August 30, 2011, 06:31:35 pm »

Video of Cruise missile hitting Pentagon on 9/11 leaked

Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:22PM GMT

Suppressed video released 10 years after 9/11 attacks in the United States clearly shows the Pentagon attack was a Cruise type missile, either a Tomahawk or Russian/Soviet Granit as described by former officer of the Soviet nuclear intelligence Dimitri Khalezov.

(VIDEO - http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/196559.html )
 
The little explosions which have been circled in the video clearly point out that "there is no huge jet" hammering into the Pentagon, Khalezov explains.

According to the official U.S. government narration, an American Airline Boeing 757 struck the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

The Boeing 757 is a mid-size, narrow-body twin-engine jet airliner manufactured by Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Its dimension specification include:  Wing span 38.05m (124ft 10in), length 47.32m (155ft 3in), height 13.56m (44ft 6in). Wing area 185.3m2 (1994sq ft).

The author of "The third truth about September 11" says every time he uploads such videos on the internet “my YouTube gets deleted or the hits go down.”

He describes a hole that appeared in a Pentagon wall right after the attack. "Look at that little hole. No way a jet [can] fit in there. Where's the wings? Where's the engines?”

The researcher says when the footage is observed frame by frame it shows that "the explosion happens before the 'jet' even appears.”


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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #798 on: August 30, 2011, 07:16:29 pm »
The missile hitting the Pentagon video is a computer generated fake that's been running around the internet for several years now.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #799 on: August 30, 2011, 11:17:08 pm »
Audio http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/196598.html

Leaked videos of the 9/11 attack against the Pentagon confirm eyewitness accounts that the attack was not carried out by a passenger plane as officially stated but was rather the work of a cruise missile hitting the building from a different angle.

"There were 85 videos; a second video was released yesterday (August 29). Now it hasn't been carefully vetted but it appears to be quite genuine that clearly shows a cruise missile from another angle hitting the Pentagon," Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, told Press TV's U.S. Desk on Tuesday. The people at the scene of the attack including CNN reporters say that they saw no plane wreckage following the attack, Duff added.

He said there are "reliable reports" from airline pilots stating that it would be "impossible" for the plane and any pilot at all, including the top air force and navy pilots in the U.S., the Top Gun instructors couldn't have flown a plane to have accomplished what was accomplished.

"We have engineers at Boeing the company that manufactured the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon that say it couldn't fly that fast, it can't fly that low, it can't make those turns and it couldn't have been there," the investigative journalist added.

He further said that other physical evidence gathered at the scene of the attack against the Pentagon all indicate that it could not have been carried out by a passenger plane. Duff concluded that “it is our belief that members of the U.S. government and one other foreign government were complicit in the planning and execution of the attacks on 9/11.”
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