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Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« on: March 05, 2009, 12:46:05 pm »
Tests find Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
Controversial chemical found in at least 84% of canned pop sold in Canada

MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

March 4, 2009 at 11:00 PM EST

The estrogen-mimicking chemical BPA, already banished from baby bottles and frowned upon in water jugs, has now shown up in significant levels in soft drinks.

Tests by Health Canada scientists revealed the highest levels were in energy drinks, the often caffeine-loaded beverages that have become popular with teenagers seeking a buzz and athletes chasing a quick pick-me-up. But the study also found the controversial compound in a wide variety of ginger ales, diet colas, root beers and citrus-flavoured sodas.

Bisphenol A was detected in 96 per cent of soft drinks tested, in quantities below regulatory limits. But a growing body of science suggests the chemical may have harmful effects at levels far below those limits.

Health Canada did not disclose the brand names of the beverages it evaluated, but estimated that the survey covered at least 84 per cent of canned soft drinks sold in Canada.
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Testing by Health Canada highlighted BPA's presence in pop and energy drinks packaged in cans



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The testing is considered the most sophisticated conducted anywhere in the world on BPA in pop, a subject about which little has been known up to now. The report outlining the results appeared last month in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a relatively obscure scientific publication, and Health Canada also posted its data on its website, with little publicity.

Soft-drink cans are treated with a BPA-containing liner to prevent drinks from coming into contact with metal.

Although independent scientists and environmentalists warn that all exposures to the artificial sex hormone should be avoided, both Health Canada and the soft-drink industry played down the study's findings, saying the amounts detected were well below regulatory limits.

"It really confirms the safety of the packaging," said Justin Sherwood, president of Refreshments Canada, an industry trade group. He said the higher levels in several energy drinks may be statistical flukes.

Since prior testing hasn't usually detected residues, the soft-drink industry has long told consumers that its canned product doesn't expose drinkers to BPA. Pop companies have consequently avoided some of the controversy surrounding polycarbonate plastic water bottles, baby bottles and canned foods, where testing has often found the compound.

Health Canada contends there is no risk because a single serving of pop with the highest amount detected — 4.5 parts per billion — would give drinkers a dose well below its safety limit.

The levels are "extremely low," said Samuel Godefroy, director of the health agency's Bureau of Chemical Safety. He said children would not be at risk from consuming pop, and an adult would have to drink 900 cans a day to exceed the government's safety level.

Still, many scientists are worried about ingestion of the minute amounts of BPA found leaching from food and beverage packaging. The chemical is a synthetic compound able to fool cells into viewing it as estrogen, providing what amounts to an extra dollop of the female hormone.

"We are constantly getting exposed to this chemical," said Frederick vom Saal, a biologist at the University of Missouri and an authority on BPA. "People drink a lot of soda and this needs to be looked at as one of a very large number of sources of exposure to this chemical." BPA is also used in dental sealants, plastic water pipes and even carbonless cash-register receipts.

Although levels vary, natural estrogen circulates in people at extremely minute concentrations, around a part per trillion. The test results indicated that an average soft drink has concentrations of BPA around half a part per billion, or 500 times more than the level of the female hormone in people.

Dr. vom Saal says there is also a growing body of scientific literature, based on animal experiments, that has found harmful effects due to BPA at concentrations up to 1,000 times below Health Canada's safety limit. These conditions include such hormonally linked illnesses as breast cancer, and Dr. vom Saal called the government's assurances of no harm "simple-minded."

The Health Canada testing found BPA in 69 of the 72 cans evaluated. It didn't detect the chemical in two cans of tonic water, but the researchers said a bittering agent in them may have gummed up the tests; they could not explain why one can of energy drink didn't show any bisphenol A.

Nor is it clear why, overall, the highest BPA levels were found in energy drinks, but the results might be a surprise to some of the consumers of these products. "It would be interesting to do a survey in the weight rooms to see how many tough guys are aware of the estrogen levels in their drinks," said Aaron Freeman, a spokesman for Environmental Defence, a group that is lobbying Health Canada to eliminate BPA from food and beverage packaging.

RESPONSES TO BPA

The safety of bisphenol A levels in several products has been questioned.

Polycarbonate baby bottles: Health Canada is drafting rules to ban their import, sale and advertising. Retailers have pulled them from shelves in advance of the ban.

Polycarbonate water bottles: Most retailers have removed them, and bottle makers are switching to BPA-free alternatives.

Canned formula: Health Canada is working to develop a code of practice to reduce BPA leaching from infant formula cans to the lowest possible levels.

Canned foods: BPA is found in most canned foods, but Health Canada says the amounts pose no risk to adults, pregnant women or children older than 18 months.

Toxic substances list: Canada is adding BPA to the dangerous chemical list, based on worries that infants could be overexposed and that it is a possible hazard to wildlife.

Pop cans: A new Health Canada survey has found BPA in nearly all cans, but it says residues are too low to be a risk.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 12:55:11 pm »
Here's a prediction:
This news is going to be ignored by everyone within this movement, even though the levels found are a serious cause for concern, unlike the levels of Mercury found in HFCS, because Mercury sounds far scarier than Bisphenol A.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 01:02:37 pm »
They call it POP for a reason.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 01:09:57 pm »
"I'm going to drink some cane sugar coke, it's far more patriotic than that unpatriotic HFCS coke, that's got Mercury in it !!!"

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When using an alternative exposure metric of dividing BPA concentrations into quartiles in the fully adjusted models, participants in the highest BPA concentration quartile had an OR of 2.89 (95% CI, 1.07 to 7.78; P = .04) for cardiovascular disease compared with those in the lowest quartile. Similarly, those in the highest BPA concentration quartile had an OR of 2.43 (95% CI, 1.35 to 4.38; P = .006) for diabetes compared with those in the lowest quartile.

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There’s another cautionary note on bisphenol A today, this time via a study in JAMA. Researchers found that adults with higher levels of BPA in their urine were more likely to have heart disease or diabetes.

There’s been a lot of debate from public health types this year over whether the chemical, which is used in many hard plastic containers made to store water and food, is associated with health risks — particularly in children.

Just today, the FDA held a hearing to discuss the issue. “Right now, our tentative conclusion is that it’s safe, so we’re not recommending any change in habits,” Laura Tarantino, head of the FDA’s office of food additive safety said at the meeting, the Associated Press reports. Meanwhile, Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote a letter to FDA today asking them for more info about how they came to that conclusion, which is at odds with the assessments of other experts who’ve looked at the evidence.

The JAMA study looked at data collected as part of a CDC survey from 1455 adults between the ages of 18 and 74. After adjusting for variables such as age, sex, smoking and BMI, the researchers found a strong connection between higher levels of of BPA and increased risk of heart disease and diabetes.

An accompanying editorial called for U.S. regulators to follow the lead of the Canadian government, which has taken a more restrictive stance toward the use of the chemical. It’s worth noting that one of the authors of the editorial, John Peterson Myers, has written a book on health risks associated with BPA and other chemicals, and runs a Web site on the subject.

There are also some important caveats to note about the study itself. For one thing, BPA passes through the body quickly, so a single measurement only tells you what someone’s BPA exposure has been in the past 24 hours or so. And this kind of epidemiological research can only show an association between exposure and risk, which is different than proving that BPA actually increases the risk of disease. That’s especially important to keep in mind here, because this seems to be the first study of this kind on this subject.

In a statement, the American Chemical Council, an industry group, said: “The weight of scientific evidence continues to support the conclusion of governments worldwide that bisphenol A is not a significant health concern at the trace levels present in some consumer products.”

Evidence on stuff like this can take a while to accumulate, but some companies aren’t waiting for the dust to settle. Wal-Mart has already said it will stop carrying baby bottles that contain BPA, and the maker of Nalgene water bottles (pictured) has said it will stop using the chemical.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 12:53:48 pm »
Talked about on todays show 7/13/2009

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Bisphenol A was detected in 96 per cent of soft drinks tested, in quantities below regulatory limits. But a growing body of science suggests the chemical may have harmful effects at levels far below those limits.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/disappearingmale/

We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment in which our children and our children's children are the experimental subjects." Dr. Herbert Needleman

The Disappearing Male is about one of the most important, and least publicized, issues facing the human species: the toxic threat to the male reproductive system.

The last few decades have seen steady and dramatic increases in the incidence of boys and young men suffering from genital deformities, low sperm count, sperm abnormalities and testicular cancer.

At the same time, boys are now far more at risk of suffering from ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia.

The Disappearing Male takes a close and disturbing look at what many doctors and researchers now suspect are responsible for many of these problems: a class of common chemicals that are ubiquitous in our world.

Found in everything from shampoo, sunglasses, meat and dairy products, carpet, cosmetics and baby bottles, they are called "hormone mimicking" or "endocrine disrupting" chemicals and they may be starting to damage the most basic building blocks of human development.

From 2000:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/736230.stm
Young Danes' sperm count dips

Almost half of 700 Danish army recruits have been found to have sperm counts low enough to make it hard for them to father children.

The recruits, aged from 18 to 20, had significantly lower counts than men in another sample born about 10 years earlier.

While the researchers describe their findings as "difficult to explain", environmentalists believe exposure to one group of chemicals is a factor.

The research, conducted between 1996 and 1998, tested 708 men reporting for a compulsory military medical examination.

It found that 43% of them had sperm counts low enough to lead to decreased fertility - in other words, to make it difficult for them to reproduce.
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Denmark seems to have relatively high rates of male reproductive abnormalities."

The World Wide Fund for Nature says it believes that a factor in the low sperm counts is exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals.

Known disrupters include some phthalates (used in many plastic goods, including toys), Bisphenol A (used in plastic bottles, the plastic lining of food cans, and elsewhere), and TBT, an anti-fouling paint for boats.

Elizabeth Salter, the head of WWF's European toxics programme, said the Danish study "proves that reduced sperm production is real and common".

explains what in plastic makes it so horrible. A wealth of info and links  to more if needed:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/31/the-terrible-truth-about-plastic-you-never-knew.aspx

Disappearing Male: up on youtube, in 5 parts, but you can't watch it in England for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+disappearing+male&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.defendingscience.org/case_studies/Battles-Over-Bisphenol-A.cfm

Overview
Bisphenol A is an estrogenic chemical primarily used in the production of two major plastics: polycarbonate and epoxy resin.  Polycarbonate is a hard, rigid plastic used in kitchen appliances, chocolate molds, baby bottles, reusable water bottles, compact discs (CDs), digital video discs (DVDs), and water coolers. Epoxy resins are used as strong adhesives and coatings in products such as food and beverage can (including beer) liners, drum liners, paints, dental sealants, and water main filters.

 ... current bisphenol A global production tops 6 billion pounds.

Early uses and research

In the mid 1930s, not long before the first epoxy resins were created, Sir Edward Charles Dodds, a British medical researcher, identified the estrogenic properties of bisphenol A.  In his search for the first synthetic estrogen, Dodds identified the estrogenicity of a number of chemicals with similar two-dimensional structures, including diethylstilbestrol (DES) and bisphenol A.  

Beginning in the 1940s, doctors prescribed the potent synthetic estrogen, DES, to millions of pregnant women to prevent miscarriages and other reproductive ‘problems,’ and meat producers injected it into livestock to increase meat production. Diethystilbestrol remained on the drug market for thirty years until it was banned in the early 1970s when the first epidemiological studies reported rare vaginal cancers in young women exposed to DES while in their mothers’ wombs—evidence that confirmed DES’s carcinogenicity.

A weaker estrogen, bisphenol A, never found use as a drug; its future was in plastics.  

Several years after Dodds published his research on synthetic estrogens, chemists in the U.S. and Switzerland synthesized the first epoxy resins using bisphenol A. 
Commercial production of epoxy resins began in the early 1950s.
 

In 1957, chemists discovered another use for bisphenol A—when polymerized (linked together in long chains), it forms a hard plastic, polycarbonate.  

In response to expanding markets for plastics, the production of bisphenol A took off in the 1960s and 1970s.  

U.S. production of bisphenol A tripled in the 1970s to reach just under a billion pounds by the early 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodds_Baronets
Sir (Edward) Charles Dodds, 1st Baronet (1899-1973)
The Dodds Baronetcy, of West Chiltington in the County of Sussex, is a title in the Baronetage of the United Kingdom. It was created on 10 February 1964 for Charles Dodds, President of the Royal College of Physicians from 1962 to 1966. As of 2007 the title is held by his son, the second Baronet, who succeeded in 1973.

Oxford: http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101031038/
Dodds, Sir (Edward) Charles, first baronet (1899–1973), medical scientist

The Greatest Experiment Ever Performed on Women By Barbara Seaman:
http://books.google.com/books?id=R44hwlY2xIoC&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=Sir+Edward+Charles+Dodds&source=web&ots=ETHOVMgVPi&sig=AKf3WtYz6zQc8uPWGHYBfZiSG0U&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

Study: BPA linked to heart disease, diabetes, liver problems ...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/000145c5e1848d09

The researchers found that people in the group with the highest concentration of BPA had almost three times the odds of cardiovascular  disease as did those in the lowest quartile, even when factors such as  race, income and education levels were accounted for. That group had a  2.4 times higher risk of diabetes.

Bisphenol A - A Known Endocrine Disruptor
http://www.wwf.org.uk/filelibrary/pdf/bpa.pdf

Many countries throughout the world have large production capacities for BPA, especially Germany, the Netherlands, the USA, and Japan. Major companies include Dow, Bayer, Shell, GE Plastics, Aristech, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, and Shin Nihon.

Global production is reported to be increasing at about 7% per year, and to meet the increase in demand, Bayer is opening a new factory in Thailand. However, in 1999, Shell Chemical’s global BPA business was up for sale.

Low levels of BPA have also been found to cause biological effects, and its mode of action appears to mimic that of the female hormone, oestrogen. BPA therefore belongs to a group of chemicals termed “hormone disruptors” or “endocrine disruptors”, that are able to disrupt the chemical messenger system in the body.

There is growing international concern about manmade endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs), because they can de-rail the development of offspring exposed in the womb. It is feared that they may be partly responsible for the decline in sperm counts, and the increased rates of hormone related cancers, such as cancers of the
breast, testes and prostate. They are also suspected of causing birth defects of the reproductive tract (including un-descended testes), and other hormone related effects, such as earlier puberty in girls.

This research by the NIH ought to alarm many:

http://www.oehha.org/public_info/lecture/Heindel022708.pdf
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“Agents” Shown to Modify the Epigenome
 Methoxyclor
 Vinclozolin
 DES
 Bisphenol A
 Dioxin
 Cigarette Smoke
 Phytoestrogens
 Heavy metals
 Social environment
 High fat diet
 Modulation of one carbon metabolism (SAM/folic acid)
 Valproic Acid (HDAC inhibitor)
 Phenobarbital

Low environmentally relevant exposures during development cause “functional changes”.

BISPHENOL A AT HUMAN EXPOSURE
LEVELS IN RELATION TO HUMAN HEALTH TRENDS

HUMAN HEALTH TRENDS:
Abnormal penis+urethra
Prostate cancer increase
Breast cancer increase
Sperm count decrease
Early sexual maturation
ADHD
Miscarriage*
Obesity increase*

Developmental nutrition and environmental chemical exposures alter gene expression, via epigenetics, leading to functional changes in tissues…leading to increased susceptibility to disease.
 This implies that health outcomes, can be determined by environmental exposures that occurred in early life, possibly decades, before disease becomes apparent.
 There are now numerous examples in animal models of the developmental basis of disease.
Fibroids, Breast Cancer, Prostate Cancer, Fertility Obesity, Altered Behavior

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1397270/

At least three companies in the Houston area manufacture a ubiquitous chemical used in plastic that got new attention this week because of possible links to cancer and reproductive and developmental disorders.

http://aromatherapy4u.wordpress.com/2006/12/29/plastic-are-you-aware-of-this/

Fredrick Vom Saal is a Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Missouri. A leading researcher in the field of developmental biology, Vom Saal has studied the effects of both natural and synthetic hormones at extremely low doses. His studies have shown that extremely low doses of hormones can permanently alter development of the reproductive system in mice. He has also studied how manmade chemicals, including plastics, can mimic hormones at extremely low doses.

DH: These hormone levels you’re talking about are inconceivably low, staggeringly low. How do we even begin to measure them?

FvS: For some chemicals, and for some hormones, the technical capacity to measure them is actually less sensitive than the body’s ability to detect them.
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 So that you can put food that you have in contact with plastic into a chemical analysis and say there is no plastic material there. We extract from that same food, put it into animals and we get a big effect. The animals are more sensitive to the chemicals than the machinery.

Every four years, one trillion pounds of plastics are made in the world. They are being thrown away in the landfill. They are leaching these products back into our water. No one is looking for them. So as a general statement, to say that all endocrine disrupting chemicals are at lower levels today than they would have been twenty years ago is just ludicrous. Because nobody’s looked. Nobody knew they were endocrine disrupting chemicals…
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 01:38:48 pm »
Here's a prediction:
This news is going to be ignored by everyone within this movement, even though the levels found are a serious cause for concern, unlike the levels of Mercury found in HFCS, because Mercury sounds far scarier than Bisphenol A.
Ho no, i take that very seriously, here in France, we proptest against it but the " health minister" said : no, bisphenol A is not dangerous, nothing will be done about it!
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 02:10:40 pm »
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2009, 02:23:31 pm »
Ho no, i take that very seriously, here in France, we protest against it but the " health minister" said : no, bisphenol A is not dangerous, nothing will be done about it!

http://www.env-health.org/a/3317
HEAL and other NGOs react to French Minister’s BPA statement

In April, the Health & Environment Alliance, Women in Europe for a Common Future and the European Environment Bureau responded with an open letter to a recent statement from the French Minister for Health on Bisphenol A (BPA).

The French Minister for Health recently stated that the Canadian ban of BPA was not based on scientific research. In a recent address to French Deputies, Madame Roselyne Bachelot stated that the Canadian decision to ban to the dangerous substance Bisphenol A (BPA) was only due to public pressure, and was not based on any ‘serious scientific study’. Leading environment and health NGOs have rejected this claim, highlighting that the law was passed under the rules of the Canadian environmental protection law, which provides a risk assessment based on scientific analysis.

Read the open letter to Madame Roselyne Bachelot by Women in Europe for a Common Future, HEAL and EEB.
http://www.env-health.org/IMG/pdf/Lettre_ouverte_BPA_final_Mme_R_Bachelot.pdf

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/07/24/bpa-eu.html
Bisphenol A not a threat: EU food watchdog
Last Updated: Thursday, July 24, 2008 | 11:04 AM ET

Bisphenol A — a chemical used to make some hard plastics — does not pose any human health risks, the European Union's food safety regulatory agency says.

The European Food Safety Authority said a scientific panel has found that adults and infants rapidly metabolize BPA and eliminate the substance. "This represents an important metabolic difference compared with rats," the body said in a statement issued Wednesday. "EFSA will continue to monitor closely scientific findings regarding BPA and any related health effects."

Studies in peer-reviewed journals have indicated that even at low doses, the chemical can increase breast and ovarian cancer-cell growth and the growth of some prostate cancer cells in animals.

Until recently, Health Canada had long maintained the chemical used in the manufacture of hard plastic water bottles, DVDs, CDs, and liners in cans did not pose a risk to human health. But on April 18, Health Minister Tony Clement announced a ban on the import and sale of polycarbonate baby bottles containing bisphenol A.

The EU acknowledged Canada's position on the chemical as well as tests conducted by U.S. agencies but noted the decision was based on limited evidence.

"EFSA took note of the U.S. National Toxicology Program's draft brief on BPA and of the Canadian government's recent Draft Screening Assessment on BPA, which took into account findings from the low-dose studies, notably with respect to neurodevelopmental toxicity, though both pointed out that these studies were limited in rigour, consistency and biological plausibility," the EFSA said.

Retailers in Canada including Mountain Equipment Co-op and Lululemon Athletica Inc. pulled products containing BPA from their store shelves in 2007 citing health concerns. Wal-Mart in April said it will phase out bottles containing BPA by 2009, while Nalgene Outdoor Products announced plans to discontinue use of the chemical.
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 03:37:13 pm »
yeah I stopped drinking soda...
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2009, 10:01:55 pm »
Plastic bottling packaging has taken over the grocery store shelves.   Remember when things like ketchup, jellly, peanut butter, sodas, milk, came in glass bottles?  And it's pretty safe to assume that the products would have to be still hot when the plastic jars are filled on the assembly line.

If you google you will find that Gerber produces a microwavable bowl of ORGANIC baby food for toddlers that comes in a what they advertise as a convenient "microwavable" container made of plastic which is according to the code on the bottom of the container has been deemed unsafe for hot foods or microwaving!!  How does that happen????

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2009, 11:15:49 pm »
Plastic bottling packaging has taken over the grocery store shelves.   Remember when things like ketchup, jellly, peanut butter, sodas, milk, came in glass bottles?  And it's pretty safe to assume that the products would have to be still hot when the plastic jars are filled on the assembly line.

If you google you will find that Gerber produces a microwavable bowl of ORGANIC baby food for toddlers that comes in a what they advertise as a convenient "microwavable" container made of plastic which is according to the code on the bottom of the container has been deemed unsafe for hot foods or microwaving!!  How does that happen????

It happens because they don't care and the agenda is to depopulate.   >:(
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2009, 11:37:31 pm »
Okay this might be a bit off topic.

Is Mexican made Coca Cola Better than US made Coca Cola cause its made with real sugar rather than the US version with high fructose corn syrup?

I ask this cause this Elite Grocery store (Fox and Obel) in downtown Chicago is selling it by bottles and cases of bottles and i wonder if there is a reason beyond it tastes a bit better and is in a bottle.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2009, 11:46:33 pm »
Okay this might be a bit off topic.

Is Mexican made Coca Cola Better than US made Coca Cola cause its made with real sugar rather than the US version with high fructose corn syrup?

I ask this cause this Elite Grocery store (Fox and Obel) in downtown Chicago is selling it by bottles and cases of bottles and i wonder if there is a reason beyond it tastes a bit better and is in a bottle.

I wouldn't drink Mexican water if you paid me. But yes Sugar > HFCS.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 12:04:23 am »
It happens because they don't care and the agenda is to depopulate.   >:(

It's hard to find glass bottles these days... and kids like those little juice boxes; wonder what lining they've got in those? I spend more time at the grocery store reading the fine print than actually shopping - makes me so angry to see all the crap they put into food. THEN hit the produce department and try to find non-gmo non-pesticide-ridden veggies and good luck on that.

And now with our new Monsanto-NWO-Eugenicist Food SAFETY Czar, we're totally screwed.
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 12:23:35 am »
The NWO has really done one heck of a job secretly genociding the masses, slowly but surely. I mean all Hitler did was round up a group of people to shoot them...that was NOTHING compared to all the creative murderous activities going on.


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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 12:24:38 am »
And now with our new Monsanto-NWO-Eugenicist Food SAFETY Czar, we're totally screwed.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2009, 12:28:30 am »

Confirmed,thank you and good night,America2 is a troll,a wily one but a troll nonetheless,I've been watching and tonight has completely confirmed my suspicions,I'm always one for giving people the benefit of the doubt but for you the game is up,you have been called out.

Heres a prophecy for you,I see you been relegated to the realms on IWTV with the rest of the scam artists,charlatans and begrudgers to bitch about the evils and mistreatment of trolls in this forum.  

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Am just very concerned over what the NWO has been putting in our foods and drinks. I quite drinking soft drinks 5 years ago, and the improvements have been tremendous. And let me make that comment clear again - it's pretty scary what the NWO is doing to this country in terms of potential population control(i.e. putting poisonous stuff in the foods, water, and vaccine shots to name a few).

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2009, 12:38:23 am »
The NWO has really done one heck of a job secretly genociding the masses, slowly but surely. I mean all Hitler did was round up a group of people to shoot them...that was NOTHING compared to all the creative murderous activities going on.


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Am just very concerned over what the NWO has been putting in our foods and drinks. I quite drinking soft drinks 5 years ago, and the improvements have been tremendous.

Right troll,if you have been called out,and I would never use that term lightly,you keep posting crap and saying crap because you are a troll,slipped under the radar,banged up your post count but eventually troll is what troll does and you just couldn't help yourself.

So you are either a troll or a very disturbed individual but you are definitely in the wrong place.
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2009, 12:40:49 am »
So you are either a troll or a very disturbed individual but you are definitely in the wrong place.

Dunno, but I do know you're trolling him.  :P

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2009, 12:42:05 am »

Right troll,if you have been called out,and I would never use that term lightly,you keep posting crap and saying crap because you are a troll,slipped under the radar,banged up your post count but eventually troll is what troll does and you just couldn't help yourself.

So you are either a troll or a very disturbed individual but you are definitely in the wrong place.

OK - I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear - let me repeat...you think Nazi Germany was the biggest form of genocide ever? What the NWO is doing here in the USA is 10 X's worse with all the stuff they put in foods, water, air, vaccine shots, etc. Every time I watch a news report over kids having autism, I just throw my shoe at the tv.

Again - I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough.


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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2009, 12:55:16 am »
OK - I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear - let me repeat...you think Nazi Germany was the biggest form of genocide ever? What the NWO is doing here in the USA is 10 X's worse with all the stuff they put in foods, water, air, vaccine shots, etc.

Again - I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough.


You seem to have a habit of not making yourself clear,you are a troll,you post some gay porn video predicting 9/11 bullshit,and from everybody that commented on that particular thread you were the only one that found it funny.

You then tonight said that you just that what you found funny was the way TRUTHERwent about making funny of 9/11,what you did here was to try and portray the truth movement as a bunch of ignorant morons,then you refer to the Jews as just "a group of people" Hitler had shot,then you try and defend yourself by further belittling the genocide of the jews with your misplaced attempt at sarcasm.

You only seem to try and make "yourself clear" when your called on it,the poor little me routine,christ if we could see your face I bet you would be fluttering your lashes too.

You're troll,you have proven yourself to be a troll and you have been called out,and if you feel I am wronging you,feel free to report me to the one or all of the Global Mods. please  ;)
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2009, 01:24:53 am »
why do people drink soft drinks?

Ill never understand

Water - for health
Juice - for health and taste
Coffee - for health and a buzz (small quantities kill cancer)
Tea - for health
Alcohol - for health and a buzz (wine has been proven good for you)

Soda - for bad health, rotten teeth and brain damage (no quantity is good for you)
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think anything you like
but you cant change human nature

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2009, 01:31:02 am »
why do people drink soft drinks?

Ill never understand

Water - for health
Juice - for health and taste
Coffee - for health and a buzz (small quantities kill cancer)
Tea - for health
Alcohol - for health and a buzz (wine has been proven good for you)

Soda - for bad health, rotten teeth and brain damage (no quantity is good for you)

Even the "diet" sodas are harmful too with all their chemicals.

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2009, 01:37:04 am »
Even the "diet" sodas are harmful too with all their chemicals.

They're worse than the regular sodas. Aspartame is some nasty nasty stuff.

I drink all natural root beer, a couple a week, and it's daaaamn good. http://www.virgils.com/about.shtml

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2009, 02:28:28 am »
Here's a question, has anyone realized that just about everything nowadays cause Cancer? (the affects I mean)  Almost everything out there, the majority are finding it "leads to cancer".  I am really sick of it lol

I am up for nice foods just like everyone else and drinks as well, but now with all the scientific studies going on, I think I need to start up a garden of my own lol.  But wait! they might just come along and spray pesticide all over it and saying they are "spraying for mosquitoes"! 

So, the bottled water that we drink, if they are so concerned with plastics and our health, why don't they change the carton to bottles and indeed it will be called "BOTTLED" water!  Right now it is "Cancer Causing Water" many people drink.



The majority of the things I read, I say ok, let's just wait and see what they will come up with next.  I do and then some, and then, you will find other studies denouncing the first studies!  I get confused half the time on what to do or what to read!  Anyone else?



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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2009, 03:15:28 am »
Health Canada did not disclose the brand names of the beverages it evaluated, but estimated that the survey covered at least 84 per cent of canned soft drinks sold in Canada.
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Why THE f**k NOT??!!!! "Health" Canada is f**kin' covering up for the damn SOB's. Thanks for nothing for disclosing this. This will now hurt not only the bad, but the good beverage companies. So why don't they just reveal who the hell had Bisphenol A?
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2009, 03:23:06 am »
Tests find Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
Controversial chemical found in at least 84% of canned pop sold in Canada

MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

March 4, 2009 at 11:00 PM EST

The estrogen-mimicking chemical BPA, already banished from baby bottles and frowned upon in water jugs, has now shown up in significant levels in soft drinks.

Tests by Health Canada scientists revealed the highest levels were in energy drinks, the often caffeine-loaded beverages that have become popular with teenagers seeking a buzz and athletes chasing a quick pick-me-up. But the study also found the controversial compound in a wide variety of ginger ales, diet colas, root beers and citrus-flavoured sodas.

Bisphenol A was detected in 96 per cent of soft drinks tested, in quantities below regulatory limits. But a growing body of science suggests the chemical may have harmful effects at levels far below those limits.

Health Canada did not disclose the brand names of the beverages it evaluated, but estimated that the survey covered at least 84 per cent of canned soft drinks sold in Canada.
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New concerns about BPA

Testing by Health Canada highlighted BPA's presence in pop and energy drinks packaged in cans



The Globe and Mail

The testing is considered the most sophisticated conducted anywhere in the world on BPA in pop, a subject about which little has been known up to now. The report outlining the results appeared last month in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a relatively obscure scientific publication, and Health Canada also posted its data on its website, with little publicity.

Soft-drink cans are treated with a BPA-containing liner to prevent drinks from coming into contact with metal.

Although independent scientists and environmentalists warn that all exposures to the artificial sex hormone should be avoided, both Health Canada and the soft-drink industry played down the study's findings, saying the amounts detected were well below regulatory limits.

"It really confirms the safety of the packaging," said Justin Sherwood, president of Refreshments Canada, an industry trade group. He said the higher levels in several energy drinks may be statistical flukes.

Since prior testing hasn't usually detected residues, the soft-drink industry has long told consumers that its canned product doesn't expose drinkers to BPA. Pop companies have consequently avoided some of the controversy surrounding polycarbonate plastic water bottles, baby bottles and canned foods, where testing has often found the compound.

Health Canada contends there is no risk because a single serving of pop with the highest amount detected — 4.5 parts per billion — would give drinkers a dose well below its safety limit.

The levels are "extremely low," said Samuel Godefroy, director of the health agency's Bureau of Chemical Safety. He said children would not be at risk from consuming pop, and an adult would have to drink 900 cans a day to exceed the government's safety level.

Still, many scientists are worried about ingestion of the minute amounts of BPA found leaching from food and beverage packaging. The chemical is a synthetic compound able to fool cells into viewing it as estrogen, providing what amounts to an extra dollop of the female hormone.

"We are constantly getting exposed to this chemical," said Frederick vom Saal, a biologist at the University of Missouri and an authority on BPA. "People drink a lot of soda and this needs to be looked at as one of a very large number of sources of exposure to this chemical." BPA is also used in dental sealants, plastic water pipes and even carbonless cash-register receipts.

Although levels vary, natural estrogen circulates in people at extremely minute concentrations, around a part per trillion. The test results indicated that an average soft drink has concentrations of BPA around half a part per billion, or 500 times more than the level of the female hormone in people.

Dr. vom Saal says there is also a growing body of scientific literature, based on animal experiments, that has found harmful effects due to BPA at concentrations up to 1,000 times below Health Canada's safety limit. These conditions include such hormonally linked illnesses as breast cancer, and Dr. vom Saal called the government's assurances of no harm "simple-minded."

The Health Canada testing found BPA in 69 of the 72 cans evaluated. It didn't detect the chemical in two cans of tonic water, but the researchers said a bittering agent in them may have gummed up the tests; they could not explain why one can of energy drink didn't show any bisphenol A.

Nor is it clear why, overall, the highest BPA levels were found in energy drinks, but the results might be a surprise to some of the consumers of these products. "It would be interesting to do a survey in the weight rooms to see how many tough guys are aware of the estrogen levels in their drinks," said Aaron Freeman, a spokesman for Environmental Defence, a group that is lobbying Health Canada to eliminate BPA from food and beverage packaging.

RESPONSES TO BPA

The safety of bisphenol A levels in several products has been questioned.

Polycarbonate baby bottles: Health Canada is drafting rules to ban their import, sale and advertising. Retailers have pulled them from shelves in advance of the ban.

Polycarbonate water bottles: Most retailers have removed them, and bottle makers are switching to BPA-free alternatives.

Canned formula: Health Canada is working to develop a code of practice to reduce BPA leaching from infant formula cans to the lowest possible levels.

Canned foods: BPA is found in most canned foods, but Health Canada says the amounts pose no risk to adults, pregnant women or children older than 18 months.

Toxic substances list: Canada is adding BPA to the dangerous chemical list, based on worries that infants could be overexposed and that it is a possible hazard to wildlife.

Pop cans: A new Health Canada survey has found BPA in nearly all cans, but it says residues are too low to be a risk.


I have a question if somebody can answer. I have read that iodine is extremely useful in extracting dangerous compounds from the body; basically an anti-oxidant. Is that true?
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2009, 05:50:51 am »
I wouldn't know al0152.  Sorry.  All I know is what I have been told that when there is an infection, use some form of iodine to help rid any germs etc. (disinfectant)  I think it can be used as a form of some anti-oxidant (something to do with oxygen) but I am no chemist or doctor so my opinion is of my own :)


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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2009, 07:28:33 am »
It's hard to find glass bottles these days... and kids like those little juice boxes; wonder what lining they've got in those? I spend more time at the grocery store reading the fine print than actually shopping - makes me so angry to see all the crap they put into food. THEN hit the produce department and try to find non-gmo non-pesticide-ridden veggies and good luck on that.

And now with our new Monsanto-NWO-Eugenicist Food SAFETY Czar, we're totally screwed.

Absolutely!  I hate grocery shopping to begin with! 

A suspicious side issue; this years crops are being destroyed by the weather too!  I keep on telling my husband (who doesn't believe they control the weather yet) that these bastards are controlling the weather--for us up here, this is the summer that wasn't!  With such little precious time to grow this year has been so discouraging.  :'(
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2009, 11:41:21 am »
Bisphenol A - A Known Endocrine Disruptor - BPA Manufacturers
http://www.wwf.org.uk/filelibrary/pdf/bpa.pdf

Many countries throughout the world have large production capacities for BPA, especially
Germany, the Netherlands, the USA, and Japan. Major companies include Dow, Bayer, Shell,
GE Plastics, Aristech, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, and Shin Nihon
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Global production is reported to be increasing at about 7% per year, and to meet the increase in demand, Bayer is opening a new factory in Thailand. However, in 1999, Shell Chemical’s global BPA business was up for sale.

Low levels of BPA have also been found to cause biological effects, and its mode of action
appears to mimic that of the female hormone, oestrogen. BPA therefore belongs to a group of
chemicals termed “hormone disruptors” or “endocrine disruptors”, that are able to disrupt the
chemical messenger system in the body. There is growing international concern about manmade
endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs), because they can de-rail the development of
offspring exposed in the womb. It is feared that they may be partly responsible for the decline
in sperm counts, and the increased rates of hormone related cancers, such as cancers of the
breast, testes and prostate. They are also suspected of causing birth defects of the reproductive tract (including un-descended testes), and other hormone related effects, such as earlier puberty in girls.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1397270/

At least three companies in the Houston area manufacture a ubiquitous chemical used in plastic that got new attention this week because of possible links to cancer and reproductive and developmental disorders
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KBR OWNS BPA Technology and builds Bisphenol A Plant!! - Jan 2003
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2009, 01:58:51 pm »
This is what I was looking for KBR builds BPA Plant!!!

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5954/is_200301/ai_n24073749/

LG to build bisphenol A/phenol plant. (Company News).
Jan 2003

South Korea's LG Petrochemical says it plans to invest $162 million to build a production plant for bisphenol A (BPA) and phenol.

The company recently signed a BPA and phenol technology licence agreement with US firms Kellogg Brown & Root and Resolution Performance Products Inc.

The facility, situated in Yeosu, South Korea, will have capacity to produce 120 ktpa of BPA and 150 ktpa of phenol. Construction is due to begin in late 2003 and the plant is expected to go on-stream by early 2005.

BPA is a primary feedstock for the production of PC.

Citing strong growth in the BPA market, LG Petrochemical predicts sales from the new plant to total $167 million by late 2005. The bulk of the BPA produced is destined for consumption by LG Dow...

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-15039061_ITM

Saudi firm picks KBR, Badger for phenol-BPA complex.(new construction projects)(Kellogg, Brown & Root)(Badger Licensing LLC)(phenol-bisphenol A)(Brief Article) September 21, 2005

Project Management & Development Co. (PMD; Al Jubail, Saudi Arabia) has selected technology from Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) and Badger Licensing, a joint venture of ExxonMobii Chemical ...

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i16/8416mitsubishi.html

Mitsubishi Boosts Polycarbonate Capacity Projects in Japan, China will cost $400 million
Jean-François Tremblay
April 13, 2006

Mitsubishi Chemical will build a 60,000-metric-ton-per-year polycarbonate plant in Japan and is planning to initiate production in China as well.

The Japanese facility, expected to come on-line in March 2008, will be located at the company's Kurosaki complex on the island of Kyushu. The $210 million project, which involves shutting down one of two existing 20,000-metric-ton polycarbonate units at the site, will double current capacity in Kurosaki to 80,000 metric tons. Mitsubishi will also build a 100,000-metric-ton plant producing the intermediate raw material diphenylcarbonate.

In China, Mitsubishi Engineering Plastics—a 50-50 venture of Mitsubishi Chemical and Mitsubishi Gas Chemical—and partner China Petroleum & Chemical Corp. (Sinopec) have signed a letter of intent to build a 60,000-metric-ton polycarbonate unit and a 100,000-metric-ton bisphenol A plant at the site of Sinopec subsidiary Beijing Yanshan Petrochemical. The $190 million project, still at the feasibility study stage, is expected to come on-line in December 2008.

Mitsui Chemicals announced recently that it was building a 120,000-metric-ton bisphenol A plant with Sinopec (C&EN, April 10, page 30).

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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2010, 12:09:47 pm »
Mentioned by Alex today:

Global Eugenics Pandemic Timeline

1935 - Sir Edward Charles Dodds discovers (DES) and bisphenol A

1957 - Chemists discovered another use for bisphenol A— polycarbonate.  
Major manufacturers become Dow, Bayer, Shell, GE Plastics, Aristech, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, and Shin Nihon


2003 - KBR OWNS BPA Technology and builds Bisphenol A Plant!! - Jan 2003
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2011, 12:26:07 pm »
bump - since AJ talked about BPA today

Bisphenol A - A Known Endocrine Disruptor - BPA Manufacturers
http://www.wwf.org.uk/filelibrary/pdf/bpa.pdf

Many countries throughout the world have large production capacities for BPA, especially Germany, the Netherlands, the USA, and Japan. Major companies include Dow, Bayer, Shell, GE Plastics, Aristech, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, and Shin Nihon.

Global production is reported to be increasing at about 7% per year, and to meet the increase in demand, Bayer is opening a new factory in Thailand. However, in 1999, Shell Chemical’s global BPA business was up for sale.
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Re: Tests find harmful Bisphenol A in majority of soft drinks
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2015, 03:54:52 pm »
interesting a study on penis sizes minus the BPA  effect ...

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15364-americas-newest-penis-enhancer–the-ar-15-assault-weapon#
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The article's author Penny Richards further notes that scientists in Canada studied penis sizes and BPA exposure levels of thousands of children, and found a clear relationship between BPA exposure and smaller penises


http://news.yahoo.com/penis-size-researchers-long-short-065620878.html
Penis size: researchers provide the long and short of it

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