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« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2008, 01:07:31 am »
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Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan backed and financed by u.s.a (TTP) chief Baitullah Mehsud said on Wednesday that ‘hundreds of thousands of suicide bombers’ are ready to defend Pakistan in case of war with India. According to a statement, he said, “Despite our differences with the government, the protection of Pakistan and its people is as much our duty as it is of the armed forces.” “The armed forces and the nation do not need to worry about the western borders in case of an Indian attack,” he added.


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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2008, 03:07:28 am »
Official: Pakistan cancels military leave

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — A senior military official says Pakistan has canceled leave for members of the armed forces because of tension with India following the deadly Mumbai attacks.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity Friday because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
India has said the gunmen who carried out last month's attacks were Pakistani and had connections to the Pakistan-based terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba. Pakistan has demanded India share evidence of its allegations.
Both countries have said they want to avoid conflict over the attacks, which killed more than 160 people. But India has not ruled out the use of force, and Pakistan has said it will respond to any attack and has placed its military on alert.

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2008, 03:10:32 am »
Window on Pak press: 'We are ready'


Pakistan has announced its preparedness to go to war. Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi without mincing words told journalists at Multan on Thursday "If you are asking me, I am not ruling out anything. But if war is imposed, we will respond to it like a brave nation."

The News, a sister publication of leading Urdu daily Jang quoted Qureshi saying "I want to convey this message to India that we are the torchbearers of peace and remain committed to our desire for peace."

According to the newspaper the foreign minister 'expressed the hope that India would not commit the mistake of carrying out surgical strikes. "We will be compelled to respond if it happens".

Meantime, exactly a month after Pakistani terrorists attacked Mumbai and indulged in senseless bombing and mayhem Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani, categorically denied Pakistan's involvement in the Mumbai carnage.

Gilani reiterated in Larkana on Thursday on the eve of the first death anniversary of the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto that 'any non-state actor' found involved in the Mumbai attack would be punished. The prime minister called upon India to share any evidence with Pakistan and assured that the law of the land would take its course.

The paper said Gilani disclosed that the government has carried out checks on the persons India had named and 'none of them were citizens of Pakistan'. The prime minister added that war is not in the interest of the region. He said the 'people of India are very angry over the failure of their law enforcement agencies in preventing the Mumbai terrorist attacks. The Indian government, he said, is under immense pressure and is in search of a scapegoat'.

Keeping the anti-India temperature high the Prime Minister urged India to desist from 'misadventure'. Saying Pakistan was against any kind of terrorism, he declared that the nation was united and ready to face any 'misadventure'.

The prime minister said 'Pakistan is a great power and no compromise will be made on its sovereignty. He said he would defend Pakistan along with the nation till the last drop of his blood'.

On the other hand continuing his blame game the Foreign Minister said "Contrary to our reasonable, cooperative and non-aggressive attitude, some elements from India were issuing provocative statements. But we do not feel the need to do this. We are confident and we rely on the Almighty," he said, adding that Pakistan wanted to expose those involved in the act of terrorism and had already promised cooperation in this regard.

The Daily Pakistan on the other hand editorially said India has not provided any evidence regarding Pakistan's involvement in the attack. Despite this, it claimed, Pakistan followed the UN Security Council Resolutions, banned Jamaat-ul-Dawa, its nation-wide its institutions, offices and hospitals were sealed and its functionaries were placed under house-arrest.

The Urdu daily said that though Lashkar-e-Taiba was banned earlier, its offices (in Kashmir/ PoK) were raided and leaders jailed but India without providing evidence has been insisting on action.

The paper accused India of creating war hysteria and has kept threatening of war. It said December 26, 29 and 31 and January 5 and 7 2009 are important because India is using Intelligence report to create a hype that Pakistan might strike on these dates.

'This means India may go into military offensive against Pakistan on these dates', the paper alleged.

But it declared "Pakistan is ready to hit back".


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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2008, 03:12:38 am »
'Pak deploys fresh troops along LoC, int'l border'
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Amidst rising tensions with India, Pakistan has moved fresh army troops to the Line of Control in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and the international border with India to protect "vital points" along the frontier, a media report said on Friday.

The defence department declined to give details of fresh troop movements but did not deny reports that Pakistan was moving a number of new brigades to the frontier in the Lahore sector, the Daily Times newspaper reported quoting sources.

The forces were deployed along the LoC and the international border on Thursday to protect vital points, the sources said.

The Pakistan Army's 10th Brigade has been moved to forward areas in Lahore and 3rd Armoured Brigade, normally held in reserve, has been moved to Jhelum, the defence sources said claiming that there was a heavy concentration of Indian troops on the border.

The Pakistan Army's 10th and 11th Divisions have also been put on high alert and these forces have been stationed in areas facing Rajouri and Poonch sectors of Kashmir.

There have also been reports in the Pakistani media that the Pakistan Air Force is in a state of high alert and was conducting aerial surveillance of the Chashma power plant and other sensitive sites amidst fears of a possible surgical strike by India in the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks.

In recent public comments, Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh have both ruled out a war between the two countries. India has been asking Pakistan to crack down on elements in the country which were linked to the Mumbai attacks that killed over 180 people.

Pakistan has said it is waiting for India to provide evidence to take forward its probe into the Mumbai incident.

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2008, 03:54:34 am »
Yikes, this Pakistan/Indian war couldl be a reason for another terrorist attack....off to pray more...

http://www.apakistannews.com/pakistan-india-standoff-impairs-war-against-terrorism-96953

Pakistan India standoff Impairs War Against Terrorism
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ISLAMABAD: The impacts of Pak-India standoff on the war against terrorism have started unfolding, as military operation in the tribal areas appears hard-hit, according to British media.

Pakistani officials view that the confrontations, which the Mumbai attacks have generated, could not perhaps end even after several years, but their strategy has not let India militarily, diplomatically and politically stay long at that position, which immediately after Mumbai attacks, it had achieved out of the international community sympathies, sentimental political statements and, thereby, dared threatening surgical strikes within Pakistan airspace.

BBC report said that Pakistan leadership considering their stance, relating to Pakistan or any of its state organizations was not involved in Mumbai attacks, globally accepted their biggest achievement.

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2008, 03:57:37 am »
it be brewing... >:(

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2008, 05:15:55 am »
it be brewing... >:(

hasnt the deadline passed?..what do they plan on fighting over?..kashmir?..
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« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2008, 05:55:22 am »
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/141297/Pakistan-moves-troops-toward-Indian-border

Pakistan moves troops toward Indian border
12/26/2008 | 07:41 PM

 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Intelligence officials say Pakistan has begun moving thousands of troops away from the Afghan border toward India amid tensions following the Mumbai attacks.

An Associated Press reporter Friday witnessed a column of about 40 trucks shifting soldiers out of South Waziristan.

The intelligence officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media. - AP



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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2008, 06:56:22 am »
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/26/india.pakistan.tensions/index.html

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   Sources: Pakistan puts troops on alertStory Highlights
Pakistan on high alert in anticipation of a possible conflict with India

Move follows the terrorist attacks in Mumbai which left over 160 dead

Source: "Pakistan has taken the minimum defensive measures"
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan's military called back troops on leave and placed all personnel on active duty Friday, military sources said.

The country's armed forces have been on high alert in anticipation of a possible conflict with India following the terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

"Pakistan has taken the minimum defensive measures," said a source in the military. He spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

When asked to explain what those defensive measures are, he declined to comment.

Special Report:  Terror in Mumbai
Relations between the two countries have become strained following the deadly attacks in Mumbai last month. The Indian government has put pressure on Islamabad to take action against Pakistan-based militant groups it says were behind the devastating three-day attacks.

Earlier this month, Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said Pakistani security forces had rounded up a number of militant figures, including Zarar Shah, a top operational commander in the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) group.

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2008, 07:05:31 am »
ready..set...what are we fighting for...
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2008, 08:57:12 am »
Pakistan moves troops toward Indian border
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistan began moving thousands of troops away from the Afghan border toward India on Friday amid tensions following the Mumbai attacks, intelligence officials said.

The move represents a sharp escalation in the standoff between the nuclear-armed neighbors and will hurt Pakistan's U.S.-backed campaign against al-Qaida and Taliban taking place near Afghanistan's border.

Two intelligence officials said the army's 14th Division was being redeployed to Kasur and Sialkot, close to the Indian border. They said some 20,000 troops were on the move. Earlier Friday, a security official said that all troop leave had been canceled.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Indian officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met Friday with the chiefs of the army, navy and air force to discuss "the prevailing security situation," according to an official statement.

An Associated Press reporter in Dera Ismail Khan, a district that borders the Afghan-frontier province of South Waziristan, said he saw around 40 trucks loaded with soldiers heading away from the Afghan border.

India is blaming Pakistan-based militants for last month's attacks on Mumbai. Islamabad has said it will cooperate in any probe, but says it has seen no evidence backing up India's claims.

Pakistan and India have fought three wars since their independence from Britain in 1947. They came close to a fourth in 2001 after suspected Pakistani militants attacked India's parliament. Both countries rushed troops to the disputed Kashmir region but tensions cooled after intensive international diplomacy.

The neighbors have said they want to avoid military conflict this time around, but Pakistan has promised to respond aggressively if India uses force, an option the Indian government has not ruled out.

Pakistan has deployed more than 100,000 soldiers in Waziristan and other northwestern regions to fight Islamic militants blamed for surging violence against Western troops in Afghanistan.

The United States has givens millions of dollars in aid to Pakistan's army to fight the militants in the region, which is believed to be a hiding place for Osama bin Laden and other top al-Qaida leaders.

A senior security official refused to comment directly on Friday's troop movements, but said, "Necessary defensive measures have been taken, they are in place and Pakistan's armed forces are prepared to tackle any eventuality."

He asked his name not be used, citing the sensitivity of the situation.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2008, 09:12:55 am »
PM calls military meet as Pakistan tensions grow
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/PoliticsNation/PM_calls_military_meet_/articleshow/3897344.cms
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NEW DELHI: PM Manmohan Singh on Friday summoned his military chiefs to a meeting amid tensions with rival Pakistan over last month's carnage in 
Mumbai, officials in New Delhi said.

Manmohan Singh was closeted with the chiefs of air force, navy and the million-plus army to review "India's defence preparedness," an official from the premier's office said.

"The three chiefs made presentations on India's defence preparedness and reviewed conventional military threat scenarios as well as counter-measures now in place," the official, who did not want to be named, said.

Ties between the two nuclear-armed rivals have nosedived since the November 26 Mumbai attacks, which New Delhi blames on Pakistan-based militants.

Both sides have said they do not want war but warn they would act if provoked.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over disputed Kashmir.

India has said the tottering peace process with Pakistan is now on hold in the wake of the attacks in Mumbai, in which 172 people including nine of the gunmen were killed.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2008, 10:42:42 am »
hasnt the deadline passed?..what do they plan on fighting over?..kashmir?..

I depends on what time zone is being used.  But according to the time zone Calcutta is in there is still around three hours before the deadline passes.  And I doubt that India would start the war at midnight.  They are fighting are fighting over a lot more then Kashmir.  India would attack what they call "terrorist locations" and Pakistan would be defending it's borders.
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« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2008, 11:56:57 am »
Hey it looks like We will see World War III after all.............

Yeah all this time I've been waiting....

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2008, 12:08:21 pm »
India alerts air force along Line of Control
Transports heavy guns, ammunition

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http://pakobserver.net/200812/26/news/topstories03.asp

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—As India continued transporting heavy guns and war machines to strategic areas along Line of Control Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor Thursday rushed to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of occupied Jammu and Kashmir “to check the operational preparedness of the troops.”

Intelligence reports confirmed Thursday extra-ordinary moves at India’s Western Air Command with headquarters in Delhi which is responsible for air operations from occupied Kashmir to Rajasthan including Punjab. Thursday a movement of Indian Air Force Operations Group dedicated for occupied Jammu & Kashmir including Ladakh was also detected by the defence observers in the region.

According to Indian media reports that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier “on Thursday and will interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.”

The report added that India too had deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams at Western border.

The media reports confirmed that India has deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams on the western border. “Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj”.

There are five operational air commands in India controlling 45 fixed-wing squadrons and 20 helicopter units.

India’s Mi 26 heavy lift helicopter fleet was also seen active Thursday transporting heavy gins and ammunition along the borders with Pakistan while Mi 17s and Mi 8s, were also seen moving along the LoC.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2008, 12:34:08 pm »
India alerts air force along Line of Control
Transports heavy guns, ammunition

Akhtar Jamal

http://pakobserver.net/200812/26/news/topstories03.asp

Islamabad
—As India continued transporting heavy guns and war machines to strategic areas along Line of Control Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor Thursday rushed to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of occupied Jammu and Kashmir “to check the operational preparedness of the troops.”

Intelligence reports confirmed Thursday extra-ordinary moves at India’s Western Air Command with headquarters in Delhi which is responsible for air operations from occupied Kashmir to Rajasthan including Punjab. Thursday a movement of Indian Air Force Operations Group dedicated for occupied Jammu & Kashmir including Ladakh was also detected by the defence observers in the region.

According to Indian media reports that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier “on Thursday and will interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.”

The report added that India too had deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams at Western border.

The media reports confirmed that India has deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams on the western border. “Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj”.

There are five operational air commands in India controlling 45 fixed-wing squadrons and 20 helicopter units.

India’s Mi 26 heavy lift helicopter fleet was also seen active Thursday transporting heavy gins and ammunition along the borders with Pakistan while Mi 17s and Mi 8s, were also seen moving along the LoC.

Any updates on this to speak of ??
Is WWIII just a gunshot away or is this a all show and no blow spectacle.?
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2008, 12:45:04 pm »
Nailer, It looks like both sides are implementing the final readiness protocols they have to wage war. The rest of the Pakistani army as well as those on leave are on the move towards the LoC and a militant group usually opposed to the Pak government has sworn to protect the western border in the name of protecting Pakistan from a strike on that front. Both sides have been gearing up for a major conflict and the final pieces to the war puzzle are falling into place. War could break out between them very soon. If that were to happen, Israel could strike at Palestine, Labanon, Syria and/or Iran while the rest of the world is trying to stop the war between India and Pakistan. Heck we could even see a military offensive into Taiwan by China if the U.S. gets involved somehow with the Indo-Pak war or even Iran and Israel. I don't get how people can seriously believe that there can be no third world war. It's only a matter of time until WW3 happens, and if we survive that, there will probably be a WW4. Get ready guys and gals, things are about to get a whole lot worse.
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« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2008, 12:55:10 pm »
Obama aide Brzezinski warns against India-Pak war
 Updated at: 0535 PST,  Friday, December 26, 2008

http://www.geo.tv/12-26-2008/31312.htm

 WASHINGTON: Former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski has warned against consequences of a war between India and Pakistan and asked the incoming Barack Obama Administration to assist the nuclear neighbors towards improving their fragile relationship.

“The root of the problem is Kashmir. But it’s also part of a generalized hostility between Pakistan and India. “ We can offer our good offices to them, but by and large I think the fundamental point we have to make to both (India and Pakistan) is: War will destroy both the countries,” he told T.V channel in an interview.

Brzezinski, an Obama supporter, was asked as to what the president-elect’s administration could do to help the two countries come closer in the wake of tense South Asian situation ensuing from Mumbai attacks.

The former top official in the Jimmy Carter Administration, who has been consulted by Obama on security matters, also pointed out the pathetic state of Muslims in India as a factor contributing to tension-ridden South Asian scenario.

“And, also it is related to the fact that great many Muslims in India are very underprivileged and don’t have a share of the sort of Indian development growth and all of that. So there is a lot of residual resentment among the 140 or so million Muslims in India.”

Washington, he said, has to urge restraint on both sides. He said while India may have an edge in the case of war “but India could blow itself up.”
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2008, 12:56:38 pm »
Nailer, It looks like both sides are implementing the final readiness protocols they have to wage war. The rest of the Pakistani army as well as those on leave are on the move towards the LoC and a militant group usually opposed to the Pak government has sworn to protect the western border in the name of protecting Pakistan from a strike on that front. Both sides have been gearing up for a major conflict and the final pieces to the war puzzle are falling into place. War could break out between them very soon. If that were to happen, Israel could strike at Palestine, Labanon, Syria and/or Iran while the rest of the world is trying to stop the war between India and Pakistan. Heck we could even see a military offensive into Taiwan by China if the U.S. gets involved somehow with the Indo-Pak war or even Iran and Israel. I don't get how people can seriously believe that there can be no third world war. It's only a matter of time until WW3 happens, and if we survive that, there will probably be a WW4. Get ready guys and gals, things are about to get a whole lot worse.

I was afraid of that ..  Another war for the USA to get involved in and many US soldiers will become cannon fodder.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2008, 12:59:15 pm »
I don't get how people can seriously believe that there can be no third world war. It's only a matter of time until WW3 happens, and if we survive that, there will probably be a WW4. Get ready guys and gals, things are about to get a whole lot worse.

I think their could be WW3, but I dont think this is it...
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« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2008, 12:59:32 pm »
Obama aide Brzezinski warns against India-Pak war
 Updated at: 0535 PST,  Friday, December 26, 2008

http://www.geo.tv/12-26-2008/31312.htm

 WASHINGTON: Former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski has warned against consequences of a war between India and Pakistan and asked the incoming Barack Obama Administration to assist the nuclear neighbors towards improving their fragile relationship.

“The root of the problem is Kashmir. But it’s also part of a generalized hostility between Pakistan and India. “ We can offer our good offices to them, but by and large I think the fundamental point we have to make to both (India and Pakistan) is: War will destroy both the countries,” he told T.V channel in an interview.

Brzezinski, an Obama supporter, was asked as to what the president-elect’s administration could do to help the two countries come closer in the wake of tense South Asian situation ensuing from Mumbai attacks.

The former top official in the Jimmy Carter Administration, who has been consulted by Obama on security matters, also pointed out the pathetic state of Muslims in India as a factor contributing to tension-ridden South Asian scenario.

“And, also it is related to the fact that great many Muslims in India are very underprivileged and don’t have a share of the sort of Indian development growth and all of that. So there is a lot of residual resentment among the 140 or so million Muslims in India.”

Washington, he said, has to urge restraint on both sides. He said while India may have an edge in the case of war “but India could blow itself up.”

Oh I see since Obama is muslim they want him to settle this , yeah right what a bad decision as Obama is not qualified to even mop a floor let alone peace talks.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2008, 01:02:31 pm »
I think their could be WW3, but I dont think this is it...

I hope your right on this.
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« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2008, 01:08:31 pm »
I hope your right on this.

I think you will see alot of saber rattling then they will back down, I dont think WW3 will start for about 3 weeks...The sides are shaping up...China,Russia,pakistan,Iran,Cuba,venezuala,bolivia,ecuador etc..,..vs the US and Israel,India and maybe europe..
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« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2008, 01:14:00 pm »
Oh I see since Obama is muslim they want him to settle this , yeah right what a bad decision as Obama is not qualified to even mop a floor let alone peace talks.

Oh, but Obama was so insightful in his campaign months ago to say he wanted to attack Pakistan. (jk)



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« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2008, 01:16:08 pm »
Oh I see since Obama is muslim they want him to settle this , yeah right what a bad decision as Obama is not qualified to even mop a floor let alone peace talks.

he could arrange a food drive..or a car wash, to raise money for peace..
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2008, 01:19:29 pm »
he could arrange a food drive..or a car wash, to raise money for peace..
He could get ACORN involved and really cause a scandal..LOL
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2008, 01:40:50 pm »
uh oh, :o

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?209362

India should pursue policy of restraint, responsibility: China

Friday December 26, 2008 (2305 PST)

ISLAMABAD: China calling upon India to pursue a policy of restraint and responsibility has hoped that Pakistan and India would work together to combat terrorism.

China is again repeating its warning to India to back off. this is the 2nd warning.

ISLAMABAD: China calling upon India to pursue a policy of restraint and responsibility has hoped that Pakistan and India would work together to combat terrorism.
These views were expressed by Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi who called on Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Friday to discuss bilateral relations, and global and regional situation.

Both the Foreign Ministers expressed complete satisfaction over the smooth progress in Pakistan-China strategic, political and economic cooperation. It was noted that the pace of economic interaction has gained momentum after the visit of President Asif Ali Zardari to China in October 2008 and vowed to further promote bilateral cooperation.

Discussing the present situation in South Asia, Foreign Minister Qureshi underlined the need for India to pursue a policy of restraint and responsibility. The Foreign Minister said that Pakistan was in full compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 1267 and that it was ready to conduct a joint investigation with India into the Mumbai incident, provided relevant evidence was furnished.

The Chinese Foreign Minister hoped that Pakistan and India would work together to combat terrorism. He called for peace and stability in South Asia emphasizing that the escalation of tensions was not in the interest of either India or Pakistan. He assured that China would remain in close contact with Pakistan in the pursuance of peace and stability in the region.

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2008, 01:49:06 pm »
I guess this is one of those situations where Britain and the U.S. will trick India into hitting Pakistan and start an Asian war if India doesn't smarten up.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2008, 01:52:21 pm »
uh oh, :o

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?209362

India should pursue policy of restraint, responsibility: China

Friday December 26, 2008 (2305 PST)

ISLAMABAD: China calling upon India to pursue a policy of restraint and responsibility has hoped that Pakistan and India would work together to combat terrorism.

China is again repeating its warning to India to back off. this is the 2nd warning.
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Uh oh is right.  Especially since this is the second warning.  :o
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2008, 01:54:04 pm »
Hmm ijust noticed that Brezezinski article. I am not suprised, they will send Hillary in , and when Hillary is on a Diplomatic mission she is essentially on a power trip. Maybe they will stop this staged nonsense and attempt to come out as heros, then focus on their real intentions which is Environmentalism and Invading Africa.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2008, 02:13:13 pm »
sit back and watch some fireworks woohoo

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« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2008, 04:51:17 pm »
Hmm ijust noticed that Brezezinski article. I am not suprised, they will send Hillary in , and when Hillary is on a Diplomatic mission she is essentially on a power trip. Maybe they will stop this staged nonsense and attempt to come out as heros, then focus on their real intentions which is Environmentalism and Invading Africa.

This is what I think is gonna happen, just imo.

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2008, 07:14:27 pm »
Hmm ijust noticed that Brezezinski article. I am not suprised, they will send Hillary in , and when Hillary is on a Diplomatic mission she is essentially on a power trip. Maybe they will stop this staged nonsense and attempt to come out as heros, then focus on their real intentions which is Environmentalism and Invading Africa.


Bill Clinton may be Hillary's special envoy to India, Pak

LONDON: Former US President Bill Clinton may be Secretary of State-designate Hillary's special envoy for India and Pakistan even as she is

believed to be forming a "hit squad" of diplomats for the world's troublespots.

Hillary Clinton has suggested her husband Bill as an envoy for the Indian subcontinent, where the situation has turned volatile in the aftermath of the Mumbai mayhem, because of his troubleshooting experience, the 'Daily Mail' reported.

Bill Clinton had used several envoys during his two-term in office, with Richard Holbrooke the best-known for his key roles in brokering peace deals in the Middle East and the Balkans.

In fact, the diplomats, who will form the spearhead of the US State Department as Hillary Clinton takes office on January 20, would be sent to all the troubled places across the globe to try to prevent conflicts from breaking out.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/USA/Bill_Clinton_may_be_Hillarys_special_envoy_to_India_Pak/articleshow/3891701.cms


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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2008, 09:24:45 pm »
Pak Moves Army Closer to Punjab Border, Builds New Bunkers
 

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CHANDIGARH, Dec 27: Pakistan has stepped up its war moves by cancelling all military leave, sharply increasing deployment of its troops along the border adjoining Punjab and Jammu, and building new bunkers along the border near Barmer, Jaisalmer and Ganganagar.

Highly placed sources said Pakistan has shifted its 4 Corps, an important strike arm, to Lahore, just 25 km from Attari. Its 10th brigade, consisting of around 5,000 personnel, has further been moved to forward areas along Punjab. Similarly its 3rd Armoured Brigade has been moved towards Jhelum.

At the same time, the Pakistan army was making war preparations with old bunkers on the borders being renovated and new ones being constructed. "The new bunkers are being constructed mostly along the borders near Barmer, Jaisalmer and Ganganagar and construction materials can also be seen at several places," said intelligence sources.

Sources revealed that Pakistan army has deployed its 10th Division at Ichogul Canal border area near Jammu and its 11th Division in the Tilla firing range, again bordering Punjab. These troops, said Indian Army sources on Friday, are around 10 km behind the international border. As per the Geneva Convention, no country can deploy its troops in such heavy numbers within 3-4 km of the international border unless war is declared formally. They can, however, conduct routine patrolling along the border.

With such heavy deployment of troops by Pakistan, Punjab has emerged as a vulnerable state as it shares a 553 km border with Pakistan. Further, sources said Punjab is strategically very important for Pakistan as the formation of its army is extremely strong in this area.

India's 2nd Corps from Ambala and 10 Corps from Bathinda have also moved to border areas for what an Army spokesperson described as annual exercises. This comes even as 11 Corps from Jalandhar has already moved for the exercise.

Sources said BSF ground commanders have sent a report to the Union government giving details of the movement by Pakistan troops along border areas. Sources said the report also contains ascertained figures of Pakistani deployments and the kind of weaponry carried by that country's forces.

Himmat Singh, IG (Punjab border) BSF, refused to divulge information about the report sent to the Centre, which sources said was discussed during the meeting of chief of staffs with PM Manmohan Singh in Delhi on Friday.

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=55162&n_tit=Pak+Moves+Army+Closer+to+Punjab+Border%2C+Builds+New+Bunkers

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US Urges Calm as Tensions Rise Between India and Pakistan
« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2008, 09:45:40 pm »
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-27-voa1.cfm

US Urges Calm as Tensions Rise Between India and Pakistan
By VOA News
27 December 2008
   

U.S. officials are urging India and Pakistan to avoid escalating tensions, as Pakistan began moving thousands of troops toward its border with India on Friday.
A White House spokesman, Gordon Johndroe, said the United States was in touch with both countries and urging greater cooperation in investigating last month's Mumbai attacks, which India blames on Pakistan-based militants.

Witnesses say they saw Pakistani troops moving eastward from Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, where soldiers have been fighting al-Qaida and Taliban militants.

The military also canceled leave for members of the armed forces, and put both the army and air force on high alert.

Despite the moves, Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said again Friday that his country would take no aggressive action and only respond if provoked.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters in New Delhi that Pakistan was trying to "divert attention" away from targeting militant groups.

India's Foreign Ministry on Friday advised Indian citizens that it is "unsafe for them to travel or be in Pakistan."

The ministry linked its warning to the reported but unconfirmed arrests of three Indian citizens in connection to a bombing in Lahore on Wednesday -- news that has been greeted with skepticism by the Indian press.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh discussed the growing tensions in a meeting with his military chiefs on Friday.

New Delhi says the militants who laid siege to Mumbai were Pakistanis, trained and equipped by the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. Islamabad has demanded proof of the gunmen's nationality. The November 26 attacks killed more than 170 people in India's financial capital.

Nuclear-armed India and Pakistan have fought three wars since their independence from Britain in 1947.



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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2008, 12:53:18 am »
India alerts air force along Line of Control

SATURDAY, 27 DECEMBER 2008 03:38
As India continued transporting heavy guns and war machines to strategic areas along Line of Control Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor Thursday rushed to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of occupied Jammu and Kashmir “to check the operational preparedness of the troops.”
Intelligence reports confirmed Thursday extra-ordinary moves at India’s Western Air Command with headquarters in Delhi which is responsible for air operations from occupied Kashmir to Rajasthan including Punjab. Thursday a movement of Indian Air Force Operations Group dedicated for occupied Jammu & Kashmir including Ladakh was also detected by the defence observers in the region.

According to Indian media reports that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier “on Thursday and will interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.”

The report added that India too had deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams at Western border.

The media reports confirmed that India has deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams on the western border. “Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj”.

There are five operational air commands in India controlling 45 fixed-wing squadrons and 20 helicopter units.

India’s Mi 26 heavy lift helicopter fleet was also seen active Thursday transporting heavy gins and ammunition along the borders with Pakistan while Mi 17s and Mi 8s, were also seen moving along the LoC.

http://www.daily.pk/world/asia/8795-india-alerts-air-force-along-line-of-control.html

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« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2008, 01:36:27 am »
Pakistan sends 20,000 troops to Indian frontier

Pakistan moved thousands of troops away from its border with Afghanistan towards its Indian frontier yesterday, marking a big increase in tensions between the nuclear-armed neighbours after the Mumbai terror attacks.

The move of 20,000 troops – the army’s 14th Division was being redeployed to Kasur and Sialkot, close to the Indian border – struck a blow against attempts to thwart al-Qaeda and Taleban extremists along the Afghan border. All troop leave has also been cancelled.

Manmohan Singh, the Indian Prime Minister, met the chiefs of his army, navy and air force to discuss “the prevailing security situation,” according to an official statement.

India blames Pakistan-based militants for the attacks last month on Mumbai. Both countries rushed troops to the Kashmir region after the attacks but tensions cooled after intensive international diplomacy.

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Pakistan has deployed more than 100,000 soldiers in Waziristan and other northwestern regions to fight Islamic militants blamed for surging violence against British and US troops in Afghanistan. The Government also blamed militants in the tribal region for masterminding the assassination of the former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto a year ago.

Little progress has been made in finding those who plotted the assassination. The Pakistan authorities’ investigation has ground to a halt and police have been ordered not to speak about the case.

The ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) is divided over its handling of the murder. Many leading party members accuse her widower, President Zardari, of suppressing the investigation. “It is intriguing why the Government has not even ordered any investigation into Ms Bhutto’s killing,” said Safdar Abbasi, a senator.

Initial investigations under the government of the former President Musharraf blamed a Taleban commander, Baitullah Mehsud, for the assassination. It also invited Scotland Yard to conduct a forensic investigation. The trail has gone cold since the new government halted the investigation.

General Hamid Nawaz, a former Interior Minister, said that Mr Zardari did not allow a postmortem examination to be conducted on his wife, further complicating the investigation.

Farhatullah Babar, a spokesman for Mr Zardari, confirmed that the Government was not conducting an investigation. “We do not want to appear witch-hunting,” he said.

However Pakistan has asked the United Nations to conduct an inquiry – which last night Ban Ki Moon, the UN Secretary-General, said was likely to go ahead. In a statement he said he hoped that an inquiry would be set up “in the near future”.

Mr Zardari has said that there could be a possibility of the involvement of some other country but he has never elaborated. He was elected President in August, replacing Mr Musharraf, who ruled for eight years.


Its unfortunate that this situation has boiled down to this, and the very fact it has reached to this point is because of the bias and hatred in Indian media.

Pakistan, itself is a major casualty in this 'war on terror' with 1,150 army men sacrificed and also, many leaders and civilians martyred!
Malik Khan, Birmingham, UK
Yes, one race -but two religions, or rather one religion which fuels the tensions.
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Typical own goal by Pakistan. Would not these troops be more useful in Swat valley, where Taliban has threatened to murder any girls attending school ? Yet they prefer to hate India who is least interested in capturing any part of Pakistan, while ignoring the cancer which is rapidly growing inside.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5400650.ece

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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2008, 02:20:59 am »
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pakistan-warns-india-says-surgical-strike-is-war/81426-2.html

Pakistan warns India, says surgical strike is war

Islamabad: Pakistan is rallying for international support as tensions mount with India. As part of its diplomatic efforts, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir met ambassadors of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council - the United States of America, Britain, China, France and Russia.


He also met the ambassadors of Italy, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Germany, and Turkey, to drive home the message that relations with India have deteriorated.


But the Pakistan Foreign Secretary's most crucial meeting was with Indian High Commissioner Satyabrata Pal on Friday.


According to reports in the Pakistani media, Pal was warned that surgical strikes by Indian armed forces on any target inside Pakistan would be considered an act of war.


Pal was accompanied by his deputy Manpreet Vohra.


■Pakistan moving troops to India border: report

■Pak envoy accuses India of building up war hysteria

Bashir also asked India to defuse tension and to accept Pakistan's offer of a joint investigation into 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks.


Pal had returned to Islamabad just a couple of days back from New Delhi, where he attended a meeting of Indian diplomats posted abroad with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee.


PTI Correspondent Rezaul Lashkar reports that India appears reluctant to talk its way out of this crisis.


"Both the sides are reluctant to give out the details of the meeting but according to the Pakistan foreign office the Pakistani Foreign Secretary had asked the Indian Government to de-escalate the tension and urged them to come back on the various proposals that had been put forth by them. The proposals basically include joint terror committees etc. But the Indian MEA is extremely reluctant this time to get into debate and discussion and let them forget the real issue," reports Laskhar.


Earlier, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi held telephonic discussion with his Chinese and Iranian counterparts, both of whom had earlier spoken to Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee.


Talking to Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, Qureshi stressed the need for India to pursue "a policy of restraint and responsibility".


Yang promised that China would remain in close contact with Pakistan in pursuance of peace and stability in the region.


Qureshi also told Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki terrorism was a regional concern which required cooperation of all countries with Mottaki assuring him that Iran would talk with both Pakistan and India for defusing the tension.


Meanwhile, Pakistan has begun moving thousands of troops to the Indian border on Friday, intelligence officials said, sharply raising tensions triggered by the Mumbai terror attacks.


India has blamed that 10 Pakistan-trained Lashkar-e-Toiba carried out the Mumbai terror attacks in which more than 200 people were killed.


One of the terrorist, Mohammad Ajmal Amir Kasab, who was captured alive during the attacks, has already revealed that he belongs to a village in Pakistan's Punjab province.


Kasab has also told investigators that he along with nine other LeT terrorists sailed for Mumbai from a port in Karachi and the terrorists were in constant touch with their handlers based in Pakistan.
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« Reply #78 on: December 27, 2008, 02:24:33 am »
Indian spin to get U.S. involved:
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080077887

Pak troop movement a ploy to blackmail the US: India

Indian Army sources say, India is not unduly worried about the reports of Pakistan's troop movements. They are seeing them as nominal and catered mainly towards appeasing domestic public opinion.

Indian Army's Western, South-western and Northern Command, continue to be in state of general alert but not in a state of high alert.

Whatever movement of Indian tanks and troops are noticed in Rajasthan is part of the annual firing exercises that various units conduct in Rajasthan's Lathi, Mahajan and Pokhran ranges in the winter months.

India also sees this as a Pakistani tactic designed to blackmail America, which is clearly worried about Pakistani troops pulling out from the Afghan border and the fight against Al-Qaida.

There are reports all over the media about heavy redeployment of forces along the Line of Control and International Border.

But NDTV has learnt that there is no significant movement of forces towards the Indian border.

Meanwhile, newspaper reports say that thousands of troops have been moved towards the Indian border.

Brigades of 4 to 5 thousand men have been deployed to the Lahore and Sialkot sector.

All old bunkers are being renovated while new ones are being built and leaves of personnel have been cancelled.
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Re: India threatens Pakistan with deadline for WAR
« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2008, 05:17:35 am »
It's time to take revenge, says Bal Thackeray
27 Dec 2008, 1513 hrs IST, PTI


 
PUNE: Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray on Saturday asked politicians to stop glorifying the resilient spirit of Mumbai in the aftermath of the November 26 terror attack and show "the iron will" to engage the Indian armed forces in a decisive battle to crush the hostile neighbour.

"Let us not forget the fact that ten Pakistan-trained terrorists who attacked the commercial capital of India taking the sea route killed over 200 innocent civilians and 16 uniformed men in the country," Thackeray said an editorial in party mouthpiece 'Saamna'.

"Despite the universal knowledge of its springboard support to anti-India elements, Pakistan is not only denying the nationality of captured terrorist Kasab but also talking about giving a fitting reply to an Indian response to the situation," he said.

In a sarcastic reference to the much-hyped spirit of Mumbai, Thackeray said even after the 1993 serial bomb blasts, the city was back to its chores the next day and the stock market too transacted business.

"Now Taj and Oberoi have reopened again underlining the spirit of Mumbai which is worthy of praise. But if political leaders feel that the metropolis has put behind the November 26 attack as it starts anew, they are mistaken," the Sena chief said.

"People are scarred but have to pull on with the compulsion of earning their daily bread. And when they leave their homes every day to sweat and earn, they also carry with them an angst. While hailing the peoples indomitable spirit, the rulers and politicians should not forget this bitter fact," he said.

Thackeray said it was a pity that the proxy war unleashed by Pakistan against India has claimed the lives of an estimated 25,000 people across the nation in recent years.

The Indian politicians have presented a spectacle of "wearing bangles" in their hands while Pakistan is training guns on innocent civilians. But the people of Mumbai and India, if not the rulers, are keen on retribution, he added.
 
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