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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2008, 12:14:15 am »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/21/AR2008122100364.html?hpid=sec-world

Suspected U.S. Strikes Kill Eight in Pakistan
By Ishtiaq Mahsud
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Tuesday, December 23, 2008; Page A12

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan, Dec. 22 -- Suspected U.S. missile strikes killed eight people Monday in northwest Pakistan, where al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders are thought to be hiding, officials and witnesses said.

The identities of those killed in the two attacks -- the latest in a stepped-up U.S. campaign in the lawless region close to the Afghan border -- were not known.

Meanwhile, the government said an al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group was suspected of helping carry out the September suicide attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, the capital.

Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik's charge against Lashkar-i-Jhangvi was the first time Pakistan has blamed a specific group for the bombing, which killed more than 50 people.

Monday's missiles struck about five miles apart just south of Wana, the main town in the South Waziristan tribal area, local security official Bakht Janan said. A house and a vehicle were destroyed in the attacks, which killed four people at each location, he said.

Witnesses told the Associated Press that an antiaircraft gun mounted on a vehicle fired on one of the drones before it launched a missile.

The United States has carried out more than 30 missile strikes since August in Pakistan's lawless, semiautonomous tribal areas, targeting al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters blamed for attacks in Afghanistan.

Although the missile strikes have killed scores of insurgents, Pakistan has criticized them as an infringement of its sovereignty and says they undermine its battle against extremism.

Most of the missiles are thought to be launched from unmanned spy planes that take off from Afghanistan. The United States rarely confirms or denies the attacks and has pushed Pakistan to crack down on fighters in the tribal areas.

Pakistan has arrested three people in the Sept. 20 Marriott truck bombing, but no one has been formally charged.
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Malik told lawmakers that assailants packed explosives into the truck in Jhang town in Punjab province, south of Islamabad. He said the plot was "assisted" by Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, but he gave no more details on the group's involvement.

Lashkar-i-Jhangvi is a Sunni Muslim insurgent group accused of killing hundreds of minority Shiites across Pakistan. Experts say that in recent years, it has formed links with al-Qaeda. The group has been accused of attacks against Westerners in Karachi and two assassination attempts against then-President Pervez Musharraf in 2003.


This is getting ridiculous. >:(

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2008, 12:15:43 am »
PAF on alert as India talks war
http://dailymailnews.com/200812/23/news/dmtopstory01.html
By Our Diplomatic Correspondent

MUZAFARABAD—Pakistan fighter jets have undertaken flights in the air space of Muzafarabad and its adjoining areas, sources said. It may be mentioned here that earlier Pakistan’s fighter planes had also flown over Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Lahore. Meanwhile, high alert has been declared at all the air ports across the country. Pakistan Air Force sources have termed these flights as per normal routine and that the planes are safeguarding the country’s air space.
 
All the three Armed Forces have been placed on red alert amid mounting tensions between Pakistan and India after Mumbai Terrorist Attacks. Reliable Sources of Defense Ministry informed Online PAF fighter planes flew over twin cities, Lahore, Working Boundary and LoC in view to cope with any untoward incident thus checking their Operational Capabilities in this regard.

In this regard, Spokesman PAF Hamayun Waqar Zafar was of the view that PAF fighter planes were involved in routine flights making it clear that there is no need of any sort of panic or fear. In view of current environment PAF has enhanced its vigilance, he said He further made it clear that PAF is fully committed and determined to give a befitting response to any enemy. On the other hand, a high level meeting under Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Tariq Majeed was held here on Monday. Sources say that during the meeting host of issues concerning National Security came under discussion. Gen Tariq Majeed took in Confidence Military Leadership on various matters including his recent visit to China, Sources concluded.

ISPR spokesman Major General Athar Abbas has said there was no evidence about unusual movement of Indian army in Rajisthan sector. Earlier report received, indicated that India had deployed additional troops and war planes alongside Rajisthan sector and Indian Air Force had tightened security around key installations and more radars had been installed on borders, he added.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee has warned Islamabad to fulfill its promises otherwise be ready for Indian aggressive move. Addressing conference of Indian High Commissioners on Monday here, he said that New Delhi had demonstrated its utmost tolerance after Mumbai attacks but Islamabad did not fulfill its promises regarding action to be carried out against the terrorists. Mukherjee warned once again to fulfill its commitments otherwise all options are open including attack on militants’ hideouts inside Pakistan. He termed terrorism as threat for the peace and stability of the whole world including India and Pakistan; however, he urged international community to put pressure on Pakistan to root out terrorism form its land as their hideouts inside Pakistan are the threat for whole world. He reiterated Islamabad to hand over wanted men.

The Pakistani air force conducted an exercise on Monday causing delay to two civilian flights, an airline official said, as tension with old rival India simmered over last month’s attacks in Mumbai. “Two of our flights were delayed for some time because the PAF was conducting some exercises but now everything is back on normal,” said Muhammad Latif, a spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines, referring to the air force (PAF).
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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2008, 12:17:37 am »
This is almost funny.

U.S. military chief urges India and Pakistan work together
By Robert Birsel

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The top U.S. military officer has sought to defuse tensions between Pakistan and India, urging Islamabad to use the Mumbai attacks as an opportunity to work with India to fight extremism.

India and the United States have blamed Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) for the attacks which have provoked a sharp rise in rhetoric between the countries which have fought three wars since 1947.

U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen arrived in Pakistan on Monday on his second visit since last month's attacks and met army chief General Ashfaq Kayani and the head of the military's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Lieutenant-General Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, the embassy said.

"Mullen encouraged the Pakistani leaders to use this tragic event as an opportunity to forge more productive ties with India and to seek ways in which both nations can combat the common threat of extremism together," the U.S. embassy said in a statement.

Tension between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan has simmered since last month's assault on India's financial heart, which killed 179 people, and Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said on Monday the armed forces were fully capable of defending the country if war eventuated.

Pakistan denies any links to the assault, blaming "non-state actors," and has promised to cooperate in investigations.

"He thanked both men for their efforts -- and the efforts of the Pakistani government -- to arrest members of Lashkar-e-Taiba and other extremist groups involved in the attacks," the embassy said in release on Tuesday.

Pakistan has detained scores of militants, including several top leaders, and shut offices and frozen the assets of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) group, which the United Nations says is an alias for the LeT. LeT was set up to fight Indian rule in Kashmir and has been linked by U.S. officials and analysts to Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence military spy agency, who they say use it as a tool to destabilise India.

"INFRASTRUCTURE OF TERRORISM"

In response to the attack, India has put on hold a five-year old peace process that had brought better ties. It has also cancelled a cricket tour of Pakistan.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told a meeting of Indian envoys from 120 countries on Monday the "infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan" had to be dismantled permanently.

Mukherjee reiterated that India was keeping all its options open after the Mumbai attacks, comments the Indian media have widely interpreted to mean that a military response was still possible. Mukherjee said that was not his intent.

Amid the war of words, the Pakistani air force said it had "enhanced its vigilance" and Gilani said Pakistan's desire for peaceful coexistence should not be taken as weakness.

"If war is imposed upon us the whole nation would be united and the armed forces are fully capable of safeguarding and defending the territorial integrity," Gilani's office quoted him as telling Pakistan's high commissioner to India.

Army chief Kayani said Pakistan would give an equal response within minutes if India carried out a strike in Pakistan, the News newspaper reported.

(Editing by Augustine Anthony and Jeremy Laurence)

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2008, 12:18:54 am »
Now IBN is saying a terror plot has been foiled. Claiming one is member of Pakistani army.

http://www.eyedig.us/index.php?tid=1085
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2008, 12:19:41 am »
This kinda sounds romantic at first glance, but it's not....at all...

India flirts with military response to Mumbai attacks

24 minutes ago

NEW DELHI (AFP) — India's refusal to rule out a military response to the Mumbai attacks is a diplomatic strategy that hides the limited options open to the government, analysts say.

Under intense domestic pressure to take decisive and forceful action over the attacks -- which it blames on Pakistan-based militants -- India faces numerous problems in formulating a proportionate plan of action.

Topping the list is the knowledge that a cross-border strike of any nature runs the risk of a swift and highly dangerous military escalation between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

Another key question is who would be the target of any such operation.

There is a growing international consensus that the Islamist gunmen who killed 163 people in Mumbai came from Pakistan, but there are fewer takers for the charge that the government in Islamabad played a direct role.

For the moment at least, India seems to favour a policy of "coercive diplomacy" -- aggressively mobilising world opinion against Pakistan for providing a safe haven for militant groups.

But on Monday, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee made it clear that New Delhi's patience had limits.

Noting that India had so far acted with the "utmost restraint," Mukherjee said it could not afford to just stand back and rely on others.

"While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem," he said.

Asked whether a military response was being considered, he stuck to the line that India was exploring "all options."

Despite the threat implicit in that statement, analysts including retired Indian army general Afsir Karim doubt that "unilateral military action" is either a realistic or productive option.

It could, on the contrary, "provide a fillip to insurgency" Karim said, pointing to the example of US military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"Any military action has to be deliberate, its political goals and objectives clear," Karim said, arguing that India's "best bet" was to forge a global coalition that could pressure Pakistan "to dismantle the infrastructure of terror."

Analyst C. Uday Bhaskar agreed that India's options were restricted.

"Concerted global diplomatic action is the only way to defeat terrorism. No one country has the answer to it," he said.

The pressure on the government to do something is compounded by looming general elections in which the national security issue is sure to figure prominently.

Former foreign secretary Lalit Mansingh said the government had "lost a lot of credibility" for its failure to prevent a series of attacks on Indian soil this year that have claimed more than 400 lives.

A government source, meanwhile, told AFP that India's response to Mumbai "will be a carefully calibrated one" with investigations into the November 26-29 siege yet to be completed.

New Delhi has been sharing communication intercepts and information gleaned from the lone surviving gunmen with the United States and Britain.

India has demanded stern action against Islamist groups based in Pakistan, as well as the arrest and extradition of individuals it accuses of planning attacks on Indian soil.

So far, however, the only concrete consequence of the attacks has been to freeze the peace dialogue that India and Pakistan launched in 2004 -- a process that was making only limited progress before the carnage in Mumbai.

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« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2008, 12:21:36 am »
Now IBN is saying a terror plot has been foiled. Claiming one is member of Pakistani army.

http://www.eyedig.us/index.php?tid=1085


Yep.

Two soldiers, 15 militants killed in Pakistan's Swat valley

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PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) — At least 15 militants and two soldiers were killed Monday in gun battles in a restive area of northwest Pakistan rocked by a violent campaign to impose Islamic law, the military said.

Troops backed by helicopter gunships targeted militant hideouts in the Shakardara district of the Swat valley, a stronghold for fighters linked to the Taliban, it said in a statement.

"During a successful operation 15 militants were killed and several others were injured, and their dens and centres were destroyed," the military said.

"Two of our men also embraced martyrdom and two others were injured," the statement added.

The mountainous Swat valley was until last year a popular tourist destination featuring Pakistan's only ski resort.

But the region has been turned into a battleground since radical cleric Maulana Fazlullah, who has links to Pakistan's Taliban movement, launched a violent campaign for the introduction of Islamic Sharia law in the valley.


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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2008, 12:35:02 am »
The Indian's Upcoming Illegal War


India may have ruled out the military option against Pakistan in the aftermath of Mumbai terror attacks but the international intelligence community continues to believe that strikes in Pakistani Kashmir and elsewhere could still happen.
Global intelligence service Stratfor, in its latest report, said, "Indian military operations against targets in Pakistan have in fact been prepared and await the signal to go forward."

It added, "These most likely would take the form of unilateral precision strikes inside Pakistan-administered Kashmir, along with special forces action on the ground in Pakistan proper."

The private sector intelligence service said that unlike the massive movements of 2002 during Operation Parakram, India's preparations this time were more under the radar and not visible to the world at large. Its only indication was the fact that the Border Security Force (BSF) has been put on high alert on the western sector as well as the eastern sector — this paramilitary force's main mandate would be to prevent infiltration.

"Sources have indicated to Stratfor that New Delhi is going through the diplomatic motions in order to give Pakistan the opportunity to take care of the militant problem itself — but the Indians know that Islamabad has neither the will nor the capability to address their concerns," Stratfor said.

Three weeks after the attacks, India has gone out of its way to reassure everyone that it is not thinking of military action on Pakistan. This was most recently conveyed by Indian high commissioner to Pakistan Satyabrata Pal to Awami National Party chief Afsandyar Wali Khan in Islamabad earlier this week. But India continues to tell all its international interlocutors that its patience will not last long, particularly if Islamabad cannot crack down on terrorism.

India's actions thus far have been to build a kind of international consensus that the attacks were sourced in Pakistan. It has led to a huge spurt in international pressure on Pakistan to "do more" to combat terrorism. Almost every member of the international community also believes that the next attack in India would see the gloves come off.

http://www.daily.pk/pakistan/pakistannews/8628-the-indians-upcoming-illegal-war-of-aggression-india-may-still-strike-at-islamic-republic-of-pakistan.html

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2008, 12:36:44 am »
PM meets Indian envoys, to turn the heat on Pak
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pm-meets-indian-envoys-to-turn-the-heat-on-pak/81147-3.html
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Published on Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:20, Updated on Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:03


New Delhi: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be meeting all the 120 heads of Indian missions from across the world in New Delhi on Tuesday and is expected to ask them to keep up building pressure on Pakistan.


The heads of Indian missions are in New Delhi to discuss Mumbai terror attacks, Pakistan's role in instigating the attacks and India’s diplomatic options.


External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Monday had inaugurated the two-day meet and briefed envoys on the diplomatic offensive mounted against Pakistan by India following the Mumbai terror attacks.


Addressing the meet, Mukherjee has also warned Pakistan that India has kept all its options open if Islamabad does not act against terror groups based on its soil.


"Terrorist infrastructure has to be dismantled permanently. Terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan is dangerous to peace and security of entire world," Mukherjee had said.


He had also demanded that the major powers of the world need to do more to tackle terrorism and said that the current effort by the global community is not enough.


Blaming Pakistan for supporting terror groups, the External Affairs Minister said, "Pakistan has unfortunately resorted to the policy of denial and is shifting the blame and responsibility. Elements within Pakistan still continue to use terrorists as an instrument of state policy."


Earlier, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had said Islamabad will have to fight terror or else terror will consume Pakistan.


"This really comes down to dealing with the problem, and that means Pakistan has got to do everything it can to help bring the perpetrators to justice," Rice said in an interview to Financial Times.


Meanwhile, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen is in Islamabad on Tuesday and is expected to meet Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari later in the day


Pakistan is still unconvinced about India's charges that all the 10 terrorists who attacked Mumbai in November were Pakistani saying there isn't enough proof.


According Pakistani media reports Pakistan Air Force is on a high alerts and has increased its surveillance.


Meanwhile, a Pakistani newspaper The Nation claims the Indian Air Force plans to hit targets in Lahore and Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir in the next 24 hours.


Interpol Secretary General Ronald K Noble, too, is in Pakistan and is likely to raise the issue of terrorists and criminals demanded by India.




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Suddenly, Pakistan's not the only one "not doing enough" against terrorism
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2008, 12:37:17 am »
Now, the "WHOLE WORLD needs to "do more" against terrorism, not just Pakistan.  ::)

http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=809848&SMap=1

India Says World needs To Do More
12/23/2008 12:47 AM ET
(RTTNews) -  Pranab Mukherjee, India's External Affairs Minister has said that following last month's Mumbai terror attacks New Delhi has successfully managed to convince other countries to pressure Islamabad to act against non-state actors planning terror attacks from its soil, media reports said.

Addressing nearly 120 Indian heads of mission in New Delhi Monday he however said effort by the global community is not enough to get Pakistan to fulfill its promise of action against jihadi terrorists behind 26/11 and other terror attacks and much more needs to be done.

Asserting that the actions should be pursued to their logical conclusion, he said India would be forced to disregard the call for restraint if Islamabad was not made to behave.

"We need effective steps not only to bring those responsible for the Mumbai attacks to justice but also to ensure that such acts of terrorism do not recur," he said, almost echoing U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's earlier message to Pakistan.

The blunt warning, indicating that the country was chaffing at calls for restraint in the face of Pakistan's cussedness came amid clear signs of India's waning patience.

On Saturday, the political leadership discussed the option of precision strikes against terrorist targets on Pakistan-controlled territory amid reports that the Indian Air Force had cancelled the leave of its personnel to meet any emergency situation.

Earlier Sunday, the U.S., which had publicly expressed satisfaction with Pakistan's response to India's demands, suddenly changed its stance with Rice stating that Islamabad wasn't doing enough to eradicate terrorism from its soil and that the Mumbai attacks could not be "swept under the carpet".

The blunt message was conveyed by top American officials to Pakistan's national security adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani, who was summoned to Washington as the U.S. was "getting increasingly frustrated with what it views as Islamabad's shifty and shifting position on the Mumbai attacks and their aftermath."

by RTT Staff Writer

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2008, 12:40:06 am »
Woah!!! IBN just said something about India plans to hit targets in Pak in 24 hours!!!

I don't know if they was talking about the Pak paper claiming it or was actual plans. But shit!!! This is getting serious!
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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2008, 12:41:35 am »
Woah!!! IBN just said India plans to hit targets in Pak in 24 hours!!!
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« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2008, 12:51:14 am »
India, Pakistan close to War? Air Force and Army on High Alert
http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/2008/12/india-pakistan-close-to-war-air-force.html

Breaking News! The strong statements from India's External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi give a strong indication that both India and Pakistan are close to war. Pakistani PM Yousuf Raza Gilani said that Pakistan is ready to defend itself in the event of a war.

Air vigilance has been stepped up in both countries, especially in Pakistan after Pranab warned Pakistan that India keeps all option open if Pakistan fails to deliver on its promises to crack down on terrorists. Pakistan scrambled its fighter jets over all major cities including Islamabad on Monday, sending a panic wave among its people. The fighter jets could be seen flying over Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Karachi and Lahore.

Once the news reached Delhi, India immediately swung into action by by deploying quick reaction air force and army teams on the Western border. The BSF is on high alert on Punjab border. Special Air Force units have been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj. Chandigarh-based 12 Wing of the Air Force Station has witnessed hectic activity on Monday.

As Pakistan continued to deny the involvement of its citizens in the Mumbai terror attacks despite the proofs given by India and other global community, India may lost patience sooner or later and forced to take a tough stance on Pakistan. Launching attack on the terror camps in PoK may be the first option for India. If both country go into war, it will push them at least two decades backward.
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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2008, 01:00:30 am »
if pakistan has nukes
who is to stop them from using them
and this whole bright star thing
nuke?

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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2008, 01:02:56 am »
Truthseekerx, Obama and his folks just may be reading your mind:

http://www.diplomatictraffic.com/debate.asp?ID=690

Obama Team Ponders New Approach to Pakistan
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According to diverse media reports, South Asian experts associated with incoming U.S. President Barack Obama are advocating that the next administration adopt a comprehensive, integrated, and fundamentally “new” approach towards Pakistan. The policies reportedly under consideration include increasing U.S. economic assistance, augmenting the transparency and accountability of U.S. aid flows, and working with a wider range of foreign countries and institutions seeking to promote Pakistan’s peace and security. Pakistani leaders have endorsed many of these policies in principle, but challenges remain.

BACKGROUND: An influential Obama adviser on South Asia, former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, has characterized Pakistan as “the most dangerous country in today's world.” Obama’s team worry that continued chaos in Pakistan could threaten a range of U.S. goals, including resolving the conflicts in Afghanistan and Kashmir, curbing nuclear nonproliferation, and promoting liberal, secular democracy in a Muslim country that has experienced long periods of military rule. Most seriously, it could allow al-Qaeda to develop further its incipient safe haven in northwest Pakistan, from which it could threaten new terrorist strikes against the United States and its allies.

American policies towards Pakistan became an important issue during the recent American presidential campaign. For example, Senator Obama said he would order unilateral military actions in Pakistan if U.S. policy makers had “actionable intelligence” about the location of senior al-Qaeda leaders and the Pakistani government proved unable or unwilling to move against the terrorists directly. Although Obama’s statement produced some controversy when issued, subsequent developments have made clear that the Bush administration has adopted this position and already expanded the range of U.S. military operations conducted across the Afghan-Pakistan border. The most controversial element of the new Bush strategy has been the use of U.S. Special Operations Forces in ground missions inside Pakistan.

Obama and his advisers have endorsed congressional efforts to provide a more equal balance between military and non-military aid to Pakistan. The Bush administration has provided approximately 11 billion USD in assistance to Pakistan since September 2001, including about 6 billion USD in “coalition support funds” that reimburse the Pakistani military for its contributions to Operation Enduring Freedom. Obama’s team fears too much of this assistance has gone to the Pakistani Army and that the provision of aid has often proved insufficiently transparent. They want to make future American assistance more accountable by increasing U.S. oversight

As a Senator, Joe Biden co-sponsored a bill that would provide for a major increase in U.S. non-military assistance for Pakistan. The Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2008 would allocate 7.5 billion USD in social and economic aid to Pakistan over a 5-year period. Such assistance could help Pakistan establish an effective political and economic infrastructure—such as the transportation and electricity networks needed for the envisaged reconstruction opportunity zones—in areas recently liberated of Islamist extremists. It could also enhance the resources and authority of the civilian government and therefore bolster its currently tenuous control over the Pakistani military and intelligence services.

Obama has also expressed support for mediating the dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir. Some of his advisers have argued that the conflict has adversely affected Islamabad’s cooperation with Washington and Kabul because Pakistani policies often seem to be directed primarily at countering Indian influence in Afghanistan, including through the use of independent armed groups, rather than countering the Muslim extremists that have conducted terrorist operations in both India and Pakistan.

Similarly, the Obama team is seeking to expand the range of U.S. government, foreign countries, and international institutions that are engaged in promoting peace and prosperity in Pakistan. Within Washington, the incoming administration seeks to increase the involvement of the U.S. State Department and other non-military agencies in Pakistan in order to apply a wider range of foreign policy tools in an integrated manner. At the international level, Obama’s advisers hope to work with China, Iran, and other foreign governments and international institutions that have perhaps differed with the Bush administration regarding Pakistan in the pursuit of common objectives such as enhancing Pakistan’s economic and political stability.

IMPLICATIONS: Pakistan’s civilian leaders, including President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, have said they are open to expanding cooperation with Washington. The current government feels threatened by both the expanding Muslim militancy in Pakistan and the devastating effect of the world economic crisis on Pakistan.

The recent deterioration of Pakistan’s economy is driving Islamabad to cooperate with foreign governments and international institutions regarding terrorism and other issues. Pakistani officials lobbied hard for increased economic assistance from China, the United States, and the International Monetary Fund. The IMF eventually negotiated a $7.5 billion rescue package with Pakistan.

Pakistani leaders have shared the interest of the Obama team in seeking to secure long-term international support for the Pakistani economy through increased investment and trade concessions rather than short-term infusions of aid. While in New York earlier this month, President Zardari said that his government is “not asking for fish,” but “for the equipment and want to do our own fishing” from the Friends of Pakistan, a group of countries that seek to assist Pakistan meet its economic, political, and security goals.

Yet, the unilateral American air strikes on suspected high-value terrorist targets living in northwest Pakistan territory continue to cause problems. Pakistani officials vehemently challenged a recent Washington Post article in which unidentified U.S. officials claim that the Pakistani and American governments had negotiated a “tacit agreement” in September regarding the issue. The deal supposedly permitted U.S. missile strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles against anti-American targets in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). Pakistani officials agreed to limit their response to public criticisms, without pursuing stronger forms of retaliation. In return, American officials would neither confirm the strikes nor comment on Pakistani protests and related declarations.

The United States also supposedly agreed to suspend raids of U.S. Special Forces on Pakistani territory. One of these strikes - on September 3, when U.S. helicopters attacked a suspected terrorist base in Pakistan’s South Waziristan region, killing over a dozen people - evoked widespread condemnation in Pakistan. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ashfaq Kayani subsequently threatened to shoot down any helicopters transporting American soldiers through Pakistani airspace without permission.

Pakistani officials have challenged CIA chief Michael Hayden to provide proof to substantiate his recent statement that Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan. A Pakistani government spokesperson stated that, “We have no intelligence and if there is any actionable intelligence the United States should share it with us, and we will act on it.” Despite their efforts to depreciate the bin Laden threat, Pakistani officials have requested that the United States supply high-tech equipment that will enhance Washington’s ability to counter infiltration across the Afghan-Pakistan border as well as to fight terrorists active in Pakistan.

CONCLUSIONS: The policies advocated by Obama’s advisers do not represent as sharp a break with the Bush administration as its supporters imply. The Bush administration has sought to address Pakistan within a regional context, provided both economic and military assistance, and used multilateral as well as unilateral tools. For example, the current U.S. government has authorized 750 million USD in aid for the FATA under its Sustainable Development Plan and has sought to promote initiatives under the Friends of Pakistan Group and other multilateral bodies, many of which also involve Afghanistan. The strategy under consideration would represent a change of emphasis but not a fundamentally new approach to Pakistan.

In addition, how the Obama administration might respond to conflicts among these goals is unclear. For example, an urgent task is stabilizing the military situation in the FATA as well as along the Afghan-Pakistan border. However, conducting unilateral American strikes in the area threatens to weaken support for the new Pakistani government, which the Obama team views as the best partner for American counterinsurgency operations in the region. On October 22, the Pakistani legislature adopted a joint statement endorsing an “independent” foreign policy for Pakistan and supporting the government’s opposition to encroachments against Pakistani territory by foreign militaries. Zardari reportedly pleaded with Obama to curtail the unilateral U.S. air strikes when he first spoke with Obama after the Senator’s election.

AUTHOR’S BIO: Richard Weitz is a Senior Fellow and Director for Project Management at the Hudson Institute. This article first appeard in the 11/26/2008 issue of the CACI Analyst: http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/4988.

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« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2008, 01:05:56 am »
Rumours of war create panic in Pakistan

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ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force has increased its vigilance flights creating panic and sparking war rumours, as Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar
Chaudhry on Monday warned that the country had the potential and right to defend itself if forced to war.

"If India tried to thrust war, then the armed forces of Pakistan have all the potential and right to defend (the country)," Chaudhry told reporters, as he said the defence of Pakistan was in strong hands.

Chaudhry said India would never want war because "if it breaks out, then god forbid the situation might develop into a nuclear war."

He said Congress president Sonia Gandhi's statement relating to war with Pakistan was nothing but an election stunt.

Meanwhile, PAF jet flights over Lahore and Rawalpindi created panic sparking rumours that India had launched attack to target Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and offices of other jihadi organisations.

Mobile phone messages that have now become major source of information started circulating that PAF jets were flying to counter Indian attacks. However, television channels quoting officials were quick to dispel the rumours.

GEO TV quoting an official spokesman said PAF has increased vigilance and the flights over Rawalpindi and Lahore were inside Pakistan. The PAF is on high alert since reports of any possible attack by India.

"In the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance," PAF spokesman Air Commodore Humaun Viqar was quoted as saying. Other channels also quoted different officials that Pakistan forces were on alert but dispelled rumours of any attack.

However, residents in Islamabad and other cities came out of their homes and offices and started calling media organisations.

Reports said all airports of the country were also put on high alert. Flights bound for Dubai from Lahore and another from Quetta were halted while all entry passes at Lahore airport have been cancelled.

Sources said that such measures were taken for landing of the PAF aircraft in case of any emergency while they flew over Lahore and Rawalpindi.

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« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2008, 01:23:18 am »
Realize what this is. The NWO is playing the extremist elements in both countries against each other with the hope of starting another regional war.  money will be made ,wealth will be siphoned away from these countries into the coffers of the bankers to keep their failing system afloat (at least a little while longer).  The Mumbai terror attacks were a joint operation of British born Pakistanis trained in irregular warfare backed by CIA, MI6, AND Mossad and right wing Hindus loosely associate with the ruling party in India (The NWO'S handmaidens if you will, typified by warmongers like Kissinger).  Most members of the Indian and Pakistani government are normally sane but have been driven brink of madness by these provacations. 

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« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2008, 01:23:41 am »
Govt rushes Army Chief Gen Kapoor to J&K
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Amid heightened tension between India and Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks, government today rushed Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of Jammu and Kashmir to check the operational preparedness of the troops.

Government sources said that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier this morning and will be there for a day to interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.

The situation is tense at the border as Pakistan scrambled fighter jets over several major cities on Monday in a sign of increased "vigilance" amidst escalating tension.

India too had deployed quick reaction air force and army teams on the western border.

Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj. On the Punjab border, the BSF is on alert.

Pakistani jets roared over Islamabad, the nearby garrison city of Rawalpindi and other cities.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani pledged to defend the country, saying, "Pakistan is fully united" to face the situation "on the eastern border".

"All the political forces, whether inside or outside the parliament, the people of Pakistan, the government, and the armed forces are fully united for the defence of the country," he said, even as the aircrafts roared through the skies.

"The country is in safe hands and we have a highly professional and pro-democracy army. The army and the civilian government are united and we are ready to defend our country."

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« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2008, 01:25:25 am »
Realize what this is. The NWO is playing the extremist elements in both countries against each other with the hope of starting another regional war.  money will be made ,wealth will be siphoned away from these countries into the coffers of the bankers to keep their failing system afloat (at least a little while longer).  The Mumbai terror attacks were a joint operation of British born Pakistanis trained in irregular warfare backed by CIA, MI6, AND Mossad and right wing Hindus loosely associate with the ruling party in India (The NWO'S handmaidens if you will, typified by warmongers like Kissinger).  Most members of the Indian and Pakistani government are normally sane but have been driven brink of madness by these provacations. 

pakistan is controlled by western intelligence...

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« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2008, 01:33:54 am »
pakistan is controlled by western intelligence...
certainly the ISI and factions of the military, but not necessarily legislative and executive agencies. however aforementioned bodies are weak.

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« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2008, 01:35:39 am »
certainly the ISI and factions of the military, but not necessarily legislative and executive agencies. however aforementioned bodies are weak.

musharef was a complete puppet, we are looking at the final war here and it could come within the hours

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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2008, 02:36:09 am »
Wow, I just realized that there will be a meteor shower tonight.  This is freaky because I believe someone who said WWIII would start with Pakistan and India, and there would first be a sign in the sky like a comet.  The comets will come closer in January and February.

http://transientsky.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/in-the-sky-this-month-december-2008/
The Ursids will produce up to 10 meteors per hour at their peak on December 22-23. That rate makes it a borderline major/minor shower though the Ursids have experienced a number of outbursts in the past. With a radiant near the “bowl” of Ursa Minor (the “Little Dipper”), this shower is also observable all night long though the best time to observe it is during the last hours of the night. More details on the Ursids and their parent comet, Comet Tuttle, will be posted later.

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« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2008, 02:38:25 am »
Wow, I just realized that there will be a meteor shower tonight.  This is freaky because I believe someone who said WWIII would start with Pakistan and India, and there would first be a sign in the sky like a comet.  The comets will come closer in January and February.

http://transientsky.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/in-the-sky-this-month-december-2008/
The Ursids will produce up to 10 meteors per hour at their peak on December 22-23. That rate makes it a borderline major/minor shower though the Ursids have experienced a number of outbursts in the past. With a radiant near the “bowl” of Ursa Minor (the “Little Dipper”), this shower is also observable all night long though the best time to observe it is during the last hours of the night. More details on the Ursids and their parent comet, Comet Tuttle, will be posted later.


wow, no sh*t

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« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2008, 03:28:46 am »
Is this serious or overreaction?

only say this cause if it starts in a day or two...note that the mumbai attacks happened a day before our thanksgiving on the 26 of November, tomorrow is 23rd of december so thats a day before christmas eve and 2 days before christmas....man they are totally timing it to start during our holiday weeks then to further distract the public.

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« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2008, 03:31:32 am »
Is this serious or overreaction?

only say this cause if it starts in a day or two...note that the mumbai attacks happened a day before our thanksgiving on the 26 of November, tomorrow is 23rd of december so thats a day before christmas eve and 2 days before christmas....man they are totally timing it to start during our holiday weeks then to further distract the public.

i hope not.

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« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2008, 06:46:13 am »


Our regime wants Pakistan, the coming regime of OBY has declared that he would attack Pakistan.

Seems as though Bushy and Oby are on the same channell????

Rcie open the box of shit for the NWO, now its going down the ol hatch. Russia stated they will back Paksitan.

Seems to me the chess pieces are on the move, the puppet masters are working overtime on this.

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Indian police say terror strike foiled in Kashmir
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JAMMU, India (AFP) — Indian police said Tuesday they had foiled a major suicide strike in Indian-controlled Kashmir with the arrest of three Islamist militants, including a Pakistani soldier.

Under interrogation, the militants said they had been planning to drive a truck laden with explosives into a "vital installation," Jammu and Kashmir police chief Kuldeep Khuda said.

The three were waiting for delivery of the explosives and confirmation of the intended target when they were arrested, Khuda said.

The arrests came amid heightened tensions between India and Pakistan in the wake of the attacks in Mumbai, which New Delhi has blamed on a Pakistan-based militant group.

Khuda said the three suspects were all members of Jaish-e-Mohammad -- one of the main rebel outfits fighting Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region.

They all received training in Pakistan, Khuda said, adding that one of the men, identified as Ghulam Fareed, was a soldier with the Azad Kashmir (Free Kashmir) regiment of the Pakistan army.

"These three had come to Jammu and they were to meet a guide, who was to come from the Kashmir Valley and provide them weapons for specific targeting," he said.

Kashmir is in the grip of a nearly two-decade old insurgency against Indian rule that has left more than 47,000 people dead, according to official Indian figures.

The Himalayan region is divided into Indian and Pakistan-controlled zones and has been the trigger for two wars between the South Asian rivals since independence from Britain in 1947.

The Mumbai attacks in which 172 people were killed -- including nine militant gunmen -- have been blamed on the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group, which is also fighting Indian rule in Kashmir.
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Pakistani army warns India of response
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's military would retaliate within minutes if India carried out a surgical strike within Pakistan, the country's army chief said yesterday.

The warning from Pakistani Chief of Army Staff Ashfaq Parvez Kayani came as India chided the US and Britain for failing to punish Islamabad for last month's attacks in Mumbai and said the lack of action would force New Delhi to "deal with this problem".

While renewing the call for Pakistan to crack down on Islamic militants, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last night sought to lower tensions, saying "nobody wants war".

"The issue is not war. The issue is terror and territory inPakistan being used to promote and abet terrorism," Dr Singh said.

General Kayani earlier apprised President Asif Ali Zardari of the operational preparedness of Pakistan's military.

"The armed forces are fully prepared to meet any eventuality,as his men are ready to sacrifice for their country," General Kayani told Mr Zardari.

Reports said Mr Zardari believed India's threatening statements were creating an atmosphere of aggression and harming the regional environment.

"We are keeping a close watch on all the latest developments and threatening tones of Indian leadership," he said.

Mr Zardari expressed satisfaction at the readiness of Pakistan's army and said all necessary resources would be provided to the armed forces.

Amid the heightened tension, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen arrived in Islamabad for talks with Pakistan's top brass.

Admiral Mullen met national security adviser Mehmood Ali Durrani and held talks with General Kayani and Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

General Pasha is head of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, rogue elements of which New Delhi accuses of supporting Lashkar-e-Toiba, suspected of being behind the Mumbai attack, in which 171 people were killed, including two Australians.

Admiral Mullen was on his second visit to Pakistan since the attacks, in an effort todefuse tension between the nuclear armed neighbours.

The Pakistani Air Force yesterday scrambled fighter jets overseveral major cities in a sign of increased vigilance.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee warned yesterday that if Pakistan did not deal with those responsible for the Mumbai outrage, India would be forced to "deal with this problem".

"While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem," he told Indian ambassadors at a meeting in New Delhi to discuss the Mumbai siege.

Asked whether a military response to the attacks was being considered, Mr Mukherjee said India would "explore all options" to push Pakistan on its promise to crack down on cross-border terrorism.

"We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that (the) international community will use its influence to urge (the) Pakistani Government to take effective action," he said.

Mr Mukherjee said he wanted to see more results from US-led attempts to force Pakistan to co-operate with the probe into the attacks. Pakistan's response to the attacks demonstrated its "tendency to resort to a policy of denial" and warned that militants based in Pakistan continued "to threaten peace and stability in this region and beyond".

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« Reply #68 on: December 23, 2008, 09:17:39 am »
Govt ratcheting up pressure to war with Pak
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Published: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 at 20:22 IST

New Delhi, Dec 23: Government seems to be ratcheting up pressure all the way to a war against Pakistan in the backdrop of Mumbai attacks, former National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra said while indicating that India cannot fully bank on the US in dealing with the "serious" situation.

"I don't think that (war) is on the cards. But it seems to be the plan of the government. It seems to me they are ratcheting up day by day to bring up to a point," Mishra told.

Asked whether the government was handling the matter sensibly, Mishra appeared to be supportive of the government's stand saying it is the way it should be done.

He felt that Pakistan should be given more time to bring the situation under control.

"Pakistan should be given more time even though we are convinced that they are not going to do anything... International community should agree that India has shown enough patience before acting," he added.

Mishra also contested US Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice's contention that the issue was not that serious as during the 'Operation Parakram' build up in 2002 after the attack on Parliament.

"It is the US point of view. But any Indian would say, when 180 or more people were attacked by ten terrorists trained and armed from Pakistan, it is as serious as 2002," he said.

Mishra was also of the view that there was "a limit" to what the US can do in this situation. "They have their own interests in Afghanistan and they need the cooperation of the Pakistan Army," he said.
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« Reply #69 on: December 23, 2008, 09:21:04 am »
Looks like India wants pakistan to have the same "shock and awe treatment"  that Iraq received in '03. What do ya'll think?

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« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2008, 09:32:39 am »
The thing that worries me is that if a war breaks out Israel could use that as an opportunity to attack Gaza or Iran.  China could use that as a cover to attack Taiwan.  The list could go on.
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« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2008, 10:16:56 am »
The thing that worries me is that if a war breaks out Israel could use that as an opportunity to attack Gaza or Iran.  China could use that as a cover to attack Taiwan.  The list could go on.

Israel can and will attack Gaza anytime it likes, it is not as if it will take any serious note of the few weak protests that will ensue. Attacking Iran over a conflict between Pakistan and India would be a huge mistake for Israel, as none of the Arab countries will accept that course of action. Besides, Iran has enough capabilities these days (thanks in part to the Russians) to hold of any attack short from cruise missiles or nukes, and then retaliate.

Personally I have my doubts that it will come to a conflict between Pakistan and India so soon. There will be a conflict in the near future (mid-late 2009, or 2010), but I think at the moment it is nothing else but sabre rattling and adolescent macho behaviour. Both countries have too much at stake at the moment to be drawn into just a regional conflict (and I don't see another country yet willing to broading such a conflict), though both will no doubt pounce on each other with glee when there is a much more global conflict going on (hence my guess at the 2009-2010 date). Though if proven wrong I hope I find some survival gear under this year's christmas tree.

Oh, and China would not attack Taiwan now, it has just send two panda's over there. The Chinese take the 'panda diplomacy' very seriously...

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« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2008, 10:26:31 am »
Wednesday, December 24, 2008
Pakistan deploys Army Regulars on Rajasthan Border
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Breaking News! Pakistan has moved its regular armed forces to the borders across the Rajasthan border. The BSF has confirmed that Pakistan has stepped up activities across the border, by deploying its armed forces and heavy artillery including the mortars and tanks.


The Centre has asked the government to evacuate the villages on border areas so that no damage is done to villagers in case of a Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani Army was seen on the Badmer border. The Pakistani Air Force has already moved to forward location, with complete readiness to launch an attack if necessary.


Pakistan has moved its armed forces to the eastern border to divert the attention from the terror attacks in Mumbai and force the international community to mediate to ease the pressure off Pakistan. Pakistan is unable to withstand the diplomatic pressure from India and the US and hence decided to take a tough stance against India to put the world community in a tight spot.


Meanwhile, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and PM Yousaf Raza Gilani have slammed India, saying India is trying to cover-up its own intelligence failure. Gilani has alleged that India is trying to make Pakistan a scapegoat for the Mumbai terror attacks. Both leaders have warned India that Pakistan is ready to retaliate if India launches an attack on Pakistani territory.
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« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2008, 12:08:58 pm »
India alerts air force along Line of Control
Transports heavy guns, ammunition

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—As India continued transporting heavy guns and war machines to strategic areas along Line of Control Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor Thursday rushed to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of occupied Jammu and Kashmir “to check the operational preparedness of the troops.”

Intelligence reports confirmed Thursday extra-ordinary moves at India’s Western Air Command with headquarters in Delhi which is responsible for air operations from occupied Kashmir to Rajasthan including Punjab. Thursday a movement of Indian Air Force Operations Group dedicated for occupied Jammu & Kashmir including Ladakh was also detected by the defence observers in the region.

According to Indian media reports that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier “on Thursday and will interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.”

The report added that India too had deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams at Western border.

The media reports confirmed that India has deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams on the western border. “Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj”.

There are five operational air commands in India controlling 45 fixed-wing squadrons and 20 helicopter units.

India’s Mi 26 heavy lift helicopter fleet was also seen active Thursday transporting heavy gins and ammunition along the borders with Pakistan while Mi 17s and Mi 8s, were also seen moving along the LoC.
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