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Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« on: December 22, 2008, 10:47:00 pm »
Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
All Options Open, Minister Says in New Delhi
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122202024.html?hpid=moreheadlines
By Rama Lakshmi
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, December 23, 2008; Page A12

NEW DELHI, Dec. 22 -- In signs of growing regional tension since the Mumbai attacks last month, Pakistan scrambled fighter jets over several of its larger cities Monday, and India's foreign minister told a gathering of Indian diplomats in New Delhi that the country is keeping all its options open to bring the perpetrators of the attacks to justice.

"We have so far acted with utmost restraint," Pranab Mukherjee told the more than 120 envoys from posts around the world, according to news reports. But he added, "We will take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation."

A senior government official later called Mukherjee's tough talk "an expression of political will that India will not take this lying down." He added that the option of "precision airstrikes" on terrorist training camps in Pakistan would remain on the table if Islamabad did not act effectively against groups fomenting terrorism against India.

Pakistan has denied involvement in the Mumbai attacks, which killed more than 170 people and wounded more than 230.

On Monday, Pakistan put its air force on high alert, with several fighter jets conducting exercises over the capital, Islamabad, as well as Rawalpindi, Lahore and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir. Offices of newspapers and television channels were inundated with calls from people asking whether the exercises, which caused delays in some civilian flights, were a response to airstrikes by India.

A Pakistani air force spokesman, Commodore Humayun Viqar, said in a statement, "In view of the current environment, PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

The air force's action coincided with the arrival in Islamabad of the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen, who met with Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, and the head of its Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

Mullen thanked both men for their efforts, and the efforts of the Pakistani government, to arrest members of the outlawed Islamist group Lashkar-i-Taiba and other extremist organizations suspected of involvement in the Mumbai attacks, according to his spokesman, Navy Capt. John Kirby. Mullen also reportedly urged them to support judicial efforts to prosecute the cases fully and transparently.

A Pakistani official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said Kiyani told Mullen that Pakistan was trying its best to defuse tension with India.

"We want peace with India, but any aggression will be matched by a befitting response," the official quoted Kiyani as saying.

An Indian official in New Delhi said that the three-day meeting of diplomats had been scheduled before the attacks occurred but that it provided an opportunity for India to work out a diplomatic strategy for pressuring Islamabad to act against terrorist groups.

"Unfortunately, Pakistan's response so far has demonstrated their earlier tendency to resort to a policy of denial and to seek to deflect and shift the blame and responsibility," Mukherjee told the envoys in his opening address. "We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently," he added.

Pakistan's government has offered to help in the investigation into the Mumbai attacks but has said that India has not shared any hard evidence about the alleged involvement of Pakistani citizens.

On Monday, however, India's Ministry of External Affairs handed over to Pakistan's acting high commissioner in New Delhi a letter that it said was written by the only surviving Mumbai gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab, who was captured by Indian police.

"In his letter addressed to the Pakistan High Commission, Kasab has stated that he and the other terrorists killed in the attack were from Pakistan and has sought a meeting with the Pakistan High Commission," according to a written statement from the ministry.

In a background briefing, a senior government official said India is tired of the conflicting signals from Pakistan.

"We hear different voices from different places in Pakistan. Every day, different stories are floated. First we heard that Masood Azhar is arrested, then they say they do not know where he is," he said, referring to one of the fugitives India has demanded that Pakistan hand over. "If Lashkar-i-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa have been proscribed, then why is their Web site active and operational?" the official added.

An Interpol team also reached Mumbai on Monday. The team has begun seeking information about Kasab and the unclaimed bodies of the nine other gunmen, thought to be of Pakistani origin, who died in the three-day Mumbai siege.

India and Pakistan, longtime nuclear rivals, have fought three wars since the British partitioned the Indian subcontinent in 1947, creating both independent nations. An attack on India's Parliament in 2001 that India blamed on a Pakistan-based Islamist militant group brought the two nations to the brink of war.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008, 10:50:16 pm »
Who's gonna drop the first nuke?
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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008, 10:51:01 pm »
Yeah, Rice went to India to give the orders.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 10:53:02 pm »
Yeah, Rice went to India to give the orders.

Wonder what THIS was about, then:
Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice
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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 10:54:14 pm »
Pakistan military on 'red alert'
http://www.daily.pk/local/other-local/8686--pakistan-military-on-red-alert.html
Written by www.daily.pk     
Tuesday, 23 December 2008 01:23
 
Pakistan media is reporting that the country's military is on high alert over a possible strike by India.

Monday's reports come after a ratcheting up of tension between the two countries following attacks in Mumbai last month which killed 163 people.

The local media attributed its reports to military sources, who were confirming that the navy, air force and army were on red alert.

"The Pakistani air force have been seen visibly in a number of locations flying close to the Pakistani-India border in what is being described as an aggressive patrolling mode, following reports that India is planning pre-emptive strikes against locations in Pakistan," reported.

"Chiefs of the three forces are meeting in what is being described as an emergency meeting in general headquarters in Rawalpindi.

"Only after the meeting is over will we come to know if it is a red alert or a heightened state of alert."

Hyder said that observers are saying that the Congress party in India has lost prestige due to the Mumbai attacks and, therefore, may try a show of strength in Pakistan.

Delayed civilian flights

The Reuters news agency quoted a Pakistan airline official as saying the Pakistani air force had conducted an exercise on Monday causing delays to two civilian flights.

"Two of our flights were delayed for some time because the PAF was conducting some exercises, but now everything is back on normal," Muhammad Latif, a spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines, said.

The flights were delayed at the airport in Lahore, near the Indian border, Latif said, while dismissing television reports of a high alert at Pakistani airports.
   
An air force spokesman declined to comment when asked about an exercise, saying only: "In view of the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

'No red alerts'

"I think the media is building up a scenario in which one may get the impression that we are close to war"

"This is not the stage that the two forces are going to go on that sort of alert."

But Brigadier-General Naeem Salik, a retired Pakistani military analyst, told from Islamabad: "There have been very threatening statements [from India] saying that they do not rule out military options, and they have been talking about punishing Pakistan.

"So it is obviously natural for Pakistan to heighten its alert levels and be on guard. We cannot let the Indians have a free-run and it is a response to what is happening across the borders."

Last week, Pakistan summoned a senior Indian diplomat in Islamabad to protest against recent alleged airspace violations by Indian warplanes.

Indian fighter jets had crossed into Pakistani airspace over Kashmir and Punjab province, the government said on December 13.

Pakistan said its own fighter jets were scrambled to chase off the intruders, but it also played down the incident by describing the violations as "technical" and "inadvertent".

India accepted violation of Pakistani airspace.
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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2008, 10:55:02 pm »
OH FCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2008, 10:57:54 pm »
I don't know how credible this report is, but wtf is going on?!


PAF secures N-sites after tip-off
http://thepost.com.pk/Fb_ShortNewsT.aspx?fbshortid=3682&fcatid=14&fstatus=Current&bcatid=14&bstatus=Current
Fighter jets sent to counter possible strike | Vigilance enhanced
 
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ISLAMABAD: After confirmation of a report that Indian and Israeli air forces have planned an attack on Pakistan's nuclear installations, Pakistan Air Force sprang into action by sending its fighter jets into the air to thwart a possible air strike on Monday, according to reliable sources.

Pakistan's Nuclear Control and Command Authority was directed to take necessary measures to deal with any emergency situation.

It has also been learnt that anti-aircraft guns and missiles are being installed at the country's nuclear installations. PAF has been directed to remain on high alert until further orders. After reports of a likely attack, passenger flights to Dubai, India and Lahore were stopped for some time.

Sources said a secret meeting of Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, CIA, FBI, RAW and MI 5 was held in which a possible attack on Pakistan's nuclear installation s was discussed. Fighter jets flew over big cities in Punjab Monday as the armed forces were placed on red alert amid mounting tensions between Pakistan and India after the Mumbai attacks.

Sources in the Defense Ministry said PAF fighter planes flew over Lahore, the twin cities of Rawalpini and Islambad and along the Line of Control with a view to thwarting any airspace violation and checking operational preparedness.

PAF Spokesman Humayun Waqar Zafar said PAF fighter planes were involved in routine flights, so there was no need for any sort of panic or fear.

"In view of the current environment, PAF has enhanced its vigilance," he said.

He said PAF was fully committed and determined to give a befitting response to the enemy.

On the other hand, a high-level meeting under Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Tariq Majeed was held here on Monday.

Sources say that during the meeting a host of issues concerning national security came under discussion.

Gen Tariq Majeed took in confidence the military leadership on various matters including his recent visit to China, sources said.
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2008, 11:02:00 pm »
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79254&sectionid=351020401

Pakistani fighter jets have conducted exercises near major cities amid tensions with India in the wake of last month's Mumbai terror attacks.

Several Pakistani Air Force (PAF) jets were seen flying close to the capital Islamabad and the eastern city of Lahore, Press TV correspondent reported Monday.

An air force spokesman declined to comment when asked about the exercise saying only: "In view of the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

The US, British and Indian officials have blamed Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba for the Mumbai attacks, which have provoked a sharp rise in rhetoric between the nuclear-armed neighbors who have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947.

Indian fighter jets had crossed into Pakistani airspace over Kashmir and Punjab province, the government said on Dec. 13. India, however, denied any violation of Pakistani airspace.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee says that New Delhi is keeping all options open in dealing with the situation.

The developments come as Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen arrived in Islamabad amid India's call for more pressure on Pakistan.

The US backs India, accusing Pakistan of providing a safe haven for Taliban, al-Qaeda and other terror groups - an excuse the US forces in Afghanistan use to pound Pakistani border towns.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2008, 11:02:37 pm »
isreal has lost its fooking mind

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008, 11:03:09 pm »
Wonder what THIS was about, then:
Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j71ITaw3U4ReQeiVDA1OJWEcJpAQD9583MEG0

Yeah I was wondering about that seen on another news site.

Now we have a Mexican standoff.......

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2008, 11:03:26 pm »
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200812230921.htm

The Hindu

India says all options open, forwards Kasab's letter to Pak

New Delhi/Islamabad (IANS): India Monday sought to put an end to Pakistan's "policy of denial" when it handed over a letter written by Mohammed Ajmal Amir alias Kasab, the lone Mumbai attacker in Indian custody, to the Pakistani envoy that he and his fellow gunmen were from Pakistan.

Intensifying international pressure on Pakistan, India exhorted the international community to do "much more" to dismantle the "terror infrastructure in Pakistan which has become the greatest threat" to world peace and stability.

New Delhi also stressed that although it has acted with "utmost restraint" so far, it had not "closed any options", including a military strike, if Islamabad did not fulfill its anti-terror pledge.

The speculation about a possible military strike by India has alarmed the US, which feels that any such military conflict could frustrate its planned surge to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrived in Islamabad with a tough no-nonsense message from Washington asking Pakistan to act urgently to dismantle terror outfits in that country.

US Ambassador David C. Mulford met Home Minister P. Chidambaram in New Delhi Monday to discuss the evidence in the Mumbai terror attacks and ways to strengthen intelligence sharing between the two countries.

In a decisive step to furnish evidence of the complicity of Pakistan-based elements in the Mumbai attacks, India's external affairs ministry called Pakistan's acting high commissioner Afrasiab and handed over to him the letter Kasab to wrote to the Pakistan govenment.

"In his letter addressed to the Pakistan High Commission, Kasab has stated that he and the other terrorists (who were) killed in the attack were from Pakistan and has sought a meeting with the Pakistan High Commission," external affairs ministry spokesperson Vishnu Prakash told reporters.

While Kasab was captured, nine others were killed in gun battles with commandos.

Kasab, in the custody of Mumbai Police, has sought legal aid from Pakistan as no lawyer in India has come forward to defend him in court.

By handing over the letter, India seeks to end weeks of denial and diversionary tactics by the Pakistani leadership which has denied that Kasab is a Pakistani national and also repudiated any link with the coordinated terror strikes in Mumbai which killed more than 170 people, including 22 foreigners.

Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Pakistan's High Commissioner to India Shahid Malik have denied that Kasab is a Pakistani national.

However, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif has said in an interview that Kasab comes from Fardikot village in Pakistan. Sharif even deprecated the curbs the Pakistani government and the intelligence agencies put on the movement of media peersons and visitors to Faridkot village, which he said was cordoned off.

Toughening India's posture in the face of repeated Pakistan's denial, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee Monday said: "If there will be any military conflict, nobody declares it in media. We have kept all our options open."

"To achieve that objective (to bring the perpetrators of Mumbai terror attack to book) we are not closing any options because our people have died," Mukherjee told reporters.

"We will expect from Pakistan to do whatever they have committed to do and fulfill their promises as respectful member of the comity of nations," he said on the sidelines of a three-day conclave of 116 heads of India's missions abroad in New Delhi which began Monday.

"Unfortunately, Pakistan's response so far has demonstrated their earlier tendency to resort to a policy of denial and to seek to deflect and shift the blame and responsibility," he told Indian envoys while providing an overview of India's strategy in dealing with terrorism from Pakistan.

"We expect the civilian government of Pakistan to take effective steps to deal with elements within Pakistan who still continue the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy," he said.

"We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that the international community will use its influence to urge the Pakistani government to take effective action," he said, alluding to Islamabad's Jan 6, 2004, and Sep 24, 2008, pledges not to allow its territory to be used as a launching pad for terror attacks against India.

"While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem. We will take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation."

This is the first meeting of the heads of Indian missions across the world. It is aimed at briefing envoys on leading diplomatic challenges in which India is expected to play a major role in days to come.

"Terrorism emanating out of Pakistan is acquiring an increasingly dangerous dimension and continues to threaten peace and stability in this region and beyond," Mukherjee said.

Referring to India's efforts to generate international pressure on Pakistan to force it to act against terror outfits, Mukherjee said: "We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently. This terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan is the greatest terrorist danger to peace and security of the entire civilised world."

Islamabad, however, continued to remain in the denial mode.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi insisted that his country had not received evidence about Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai killings. He said India should provide evidence for further investigation.

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) jets flew over major cities amid reports quoting US sources that India may attack Pakistan. The PAF flights over Lahore and Rawalpindi created panic and generated rumours that India had launched an attack against the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and other jihadi organisations.

Television channels quickly went on the air to dispel the rumours. GEO TV, quoting a PAF spokesman, said the air force had only stepped up vigilance and was on high alert.

Other channels also quoted officials to say that Pakistani forces were on alert but dispelled speculation of an Indian attack. Media reports said all Pakistani airports are on high alert.

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2008, 11:04:48 pm »
News about Israel in the past hour:

More Rockets From Gaza
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122201844.html
Israel must protect its citizens -- but can it do so by military action?

AFTER SIX months of relative calm, hostilities once again are escalating between Israel and the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip. Between Friday and yesterday some 60 rockets were fired from Gaza at Israel, whose air force responded with strikes against the launchers. So far there have been no serious injuries on the Israeli side, and one Palestinian has been reported killed. But the ugly slide from here is easy to foresee: more rockets fall, and Israel steps up its airstrikes; Hamas turns from homemade rockets fired by proxies to Iranian-made missiles that can reach large Israeli cities. In the last instance, Israel could finally launch the ground invasion of Gaza it has frequently threatened, triggering a bloody conflict that could spread to the West Bank and Lebanon.

Neither side seems to want such an all-out fight -- particularly not Israel, whose defense minister has pointed out that an invasion could cost hundreds of lives and leave thousands of Israeli troops stranded in Gaza without an exit strategy. But neither Israel nor Hamas has been satisfied with the informal cease-fire they reached in June with the help of Egypt. During the summer and fall, the rocket fire from Gaza diminished but never entirely stopped. Israel, in turn, allowed only a modest increase in the flow of goods into Gaza, which has been under virtual siege since last year, and frequently sealed off the strip entirely in response to fresh attacks.
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Hamas's Damascus-based leadership appears to have imposed a decision to end the cease-fire upon its administration in Gaza, which will have to live with the resultant suffering. The aim appears to be to force Israel to lift the blockade on the territory, something it is already under growing international pressure to do. If so, Hamas may have calculated poorly. Israel is in the midst of a heated election campaign, and its two leading candidates are taking a predictably hawkish tack: Both promised over the weekend to "topple" the Hamas government. With the United States in the middle of a presidential transition, Israeli military action against Hamas is unlikely to prompt a significant response from Washington.

But an increasing number of Israeli thinkers are pointing out that the prevailing strategy of trying to isolate and destroy Hamas while building up the rival Palestinian leadership in the West Bank hasn't worked. Some 200,000 Gazans recently turned out for a rally in support of Hamas; a war would only strengthen the movement's most radical factions. Israeli officials rightly point out that no country should have to tolerate missile attacks on its cities; such attacks justify a military response. But Israel would be better positioned to defeat Hamas politically and diplomatically if it allowed the full resumption of food, medicine and fuel deliveries to Gaza and made clear its willingness to end other restrictions on civilian trade in exchange for a full cessation of rocket attacks and other hostilities. If Hamas is to be toppled, it will have to be through a political process led by Palestinians.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 11:06:55 pm »
what if this bright star that is to appear is a damn nuke?

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008, 11:08:04 pm »
India threatens to act if world doesn’t
http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/23/top1.htm
By Jawed Naqvi

NEW DELHI, Dec 22: India urged the international community on Monday to press Pakistan to weed out from its soil runaway terrorists who it says were behind the recent massacre in Mumbai and posed a great threat to global security.

Briefing Indian ambassadors from different world capitals, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said New Delhi was also aware that eventually it might have to deal with the problem on its own and it was keeping all options open for this.

“We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that the international community will use its influence to urge Pakistani government to take effective action,” Mr Mukherjee said. “While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem. We will take all measures necessary, as we deem fit, to deal with the situation.”

In a rare reference to the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (Saarc), usually relegated to the backseat in moments of crisis like the current one triggered by the Mumbai attacks, Mr Mukherjee claimed credit for helping the group make its transition from rhetoric to action. But even in this Pakistan was not up to the mark, he said.

“In our neighbourhood we have continued with our efforts to deepen engagement, either bilaterally or multilaterally and even by assuming a built-in asymmetry in responsibilities. An objective assessment shows that this policy has yielded results except with Pakistan,” he said.

“The recent terrorist attack on Mumbai was unprecedented both in terms of its scale and audacity,” the minister said. “This and the series of terrorist incidents preceding it, including the attack on our embassy in Kabul where we lost our colleagues, indicate that terrorism emanating out of Pakistan is acquiring an increasingly dangerous dimension and continues to threaten peace and stability in this region and beyond.”

India had so far worked at several levels, he said. “At the international level we have sought the support of the international community to put pressure on Pakistan to deal effectively with terrorism. We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently.”

India was not saying this just because it was affected but because it believed that it would be good for the entire world and also for Pakistani people and society, he said.

“This terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan is the greatest terrorist danger to peace and security of the entire civilised world,” Mr Mukherjee said. There had been some effort so far by the international community but this was not enough, he said.

“Much more needs to be done and the actions should be pursued to their logical conclusion. We need effective steps not only to bring those responsible for the Mumbai attacks to justice, but also to ensure that such acts of terrorism do not recur,” Mr Mukherjee said.

“Unfortunately, Pakistan’s response so far has demonstrated their earlier tendency to resort to a policy of denial and to seek to deflect and shift the blame and responsibility. We expect the civilian government of Pakistan to take effective steps to deal with elements within Pakistan who still continue to use terrorism as an instrument of state policy.”

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008, 11:11:00 pm »
Wonder what THIS was about, then:
Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j71ITaw3U4ReQeiVDA1OJWEcJpAQD9583MEG0

I was just reading an AP article about this. It seems that quite a few of the Neo's were getting bribes..........er........christmas gifts from the other pawns and bishops. Condi onl got $316,000 worth of 'gifts' this year :(

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RICE_GIFTS?SITE=FLDAY&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2008, 11:11:50 pm »
Ezekiel (Chapter 38) :1-23, the section which contains the named references, is provided below in extenso (emphasis added) and wikified slightly:

   1. And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
   2. Son of man, set thy face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
   3. And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
   4. And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
   5. Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
   6. Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
   7. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
   8. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
   9. Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
  10. Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
  11. And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; 'I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
  12. To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
  13. Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
  14. Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know [it]?
  15. And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
  16. And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
  17. Thus saith the Lord GOD; [Art] thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days [many] years that I would bring thee against them?
  18. And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.
  19. For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
  20. So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
  21. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
  22. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
  23. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2008, 11:14:03 pm »
f**king a they may try a pincher attack on pakistan

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2008, 11:14:21 pm »
Dec 23, 2008
India to take military route?
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_317762.html  

NEW DELHI - INDIA'S refusal to rule out a military response to the Mumbai attacks is a diplomatic strategy that hides the limited options open to the government, analysts say.
Under intense domestic pressure to take decisive and forceful action over the attacks - which it blames on Pakistan-based militants - India faces numerous problems in formulating a proportionate plan of action.

Topping the list is the knowledge that a cross-border strike of any nature runs the risk of a swift and highly dangerous military escalation between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

Another key question is who would be the target of any such operation.

There is a growing international consensus that the Islamist gunmen who killed 163 people in Mumbai came from Pakistan, but there are fewer takers for the charge that the government in Islamabad played a direct role.

For the moment at least, India seems to favour a policy of 'coercive diplomacy' - aggressively mobilising world opinion against Pakistan for providing a safe haven for militant groups.

But on Monday, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee made it clear that New Delhi's patience had limits.

Noting that India had so far acted with the 'utmost restraint', Mr Mukherjee said it could not afford to just stand back and rely on others.

'While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem,' he said.

Asked whether a military response was being considered, he stuck to the line that India was exploring 'all options'. Despite the threat implicit in that statement, analysts including retired Indian army general Afsir Karim doubt that 'unilateral military action' is either a realistic or productive option.

It could, on the contrary, 'provide a fillip to insurgency' Mr Karim said, pointing to the example of US military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

'Any military action has to be deliberate, its political goals and objectives clear,' Mr Karim said, arguing that India's 'best bet' was to forge a global coalition that could pressure Pakistan 'to dismantle the infrastructure of terror'. Analyst C. Uday Bhaskar agreed that India's options were restricted.

'Concerted global diplomatic action is the only way to defeat terrorism. No one country has the answer to it,' he said.

The pressure on the government to do something is compounded by looming general elections in which the national security issue is sure to figure prominently.

Former foreign secretary Lalit Mansingh said the government had 'lost a lot of credibility' for its failure to prevent a series of attacks on Indian soil this year that have claimed more than 400 lives.

A government source, meanwhile, told AFP that India's response to Mumbai 'will be a carefully calibrated one' with investigations into the Nov 26-29 siege yet to be completed.

New Delhi has been sharing communication intercepts and information gleaned from the lone surviving gunmen with the United States and Britain.

India has demanded stern action against Islamist groups based in Pakistan, as well as the arrest and extradition of individuals it accuses of planning attacks on Indian soil.

So far, however, the only concrete consequence of the attacks has been to freeze the peace dialogue that India and Pakistan launched in 2004 - a process that was making only limited progress before the carnage in Mumbai. -- AFP
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2008, 11:16:17 pm »
holy crap
look at this guys

move forces into afghanistan then india's troops from the other side
then iraq from the west

holy crap

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2008, 11:22:46 pm »
holy crap
look at this guys

move forces into afghanistan then india's troops from the other side
then iraq from the west

holy crap

Yep. And as soon as they gain stable military outposts in those areas, then they can better instigate Iran....... either way, it doesn't look too good.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2008, 11:23:53 pm »
Yep. And as soon as they gain stable military outposts in those areas, then they can better instigate Iran....... either way, it doesn't look too good.

afghanistan has kandahar airbase (sp) theres enough bases to start this, isreal will strike iran first then all else will follow

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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2008, 11:25:15 pm »
Hey guys, Pakistan's AP just came out with this about half an hour ago:
Pakistan committed to maintain peace in region
http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62803&Itemid=2
ISLAMABAD, Dec 22 (APP): Minister of State for Defence Production Sardar Salim Haidar Khan on Monday said that government is making efforts and playing its role effectively to reduce tension in the region.

“Pakistan has always worked for peace in South Asia and we would continue to play our role to defuse tension between Pakistan and India and reducing  any possibility of war,” the minister said in a statement.

He said that Pakistan has taken action against the Jamat‑ud‑Dawa following the UN Resolution. “Pakistan is a responsible state and fulfills its international obligations.”

He said Pakistan has accepted UN Resolution regarding ban on Jamat‑ud‑Dawa to remove the concerns of international community.

Sardar Salim Haidar Khan said “Pakistan too is victim of terrorism and its elected democratic government is fully committed to control terrorism.”

He said some non state actors want to increase tension in the region. He added these non‑state actors are behind terrorist attacks in Mumbai. “India  has to trust on Pakistan’s commitment and its efforts in fight against  terrorism.”

He said India should give evidence to Pakistan regarding any involvement of Pakistani citizen in Mumbai attack, adding, the government will investigate such evidence if provided.

However the minister made it clear that if such evidences are proved true than Pakistan will take action against responsibles according to its own law  and no Pakistani citizen will be handed over to India.

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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2008, 11:25:42 pm »
afghanistan has kandahar airbase (sp) theres enough bases to start this, isreal will strike iran first then all else will follow

Russia just sold missiles to iran but guess what it was a lie!!!!!!!!! http://www.startribune.com/world/36603159.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUss

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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2008, 11:29:58 pm »
US, UK not doing enough to rein in Pak: Pranab
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23 Dec 2008, 0505 hrs IST, TNN

NEW DELHI: India on Monday made plain its displeasure with US and UK for not doing enough to get Pakistan to fulfil its promise of action against jihadi terrorists behind 26/11 and other terror attacks, saying it would be forced to disregard the call for restraint if Islamabad was not made to behave.

The blunt warning, indicating that the country was chaffing at calls for restraint in the face of Pakistan's cussedness, was sounded by external affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee, triggering a belligerent response from Islamabad, in a reminder of the build-up after the attack on Paliament which almost triggered a full-scale war.

Mukherjee, who was addressing a global conference of more than 122 Indian envoys, said that India would have to "deal with this problem" on its own, since international action against Pakistan had not been enough.

"Much more needs to be done and the actions should be pursued to their logical conclusion... We will take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation," Mukherjee said in remarks that were interpreted by many to suggest that India was considering unilateral steps.

The growing resolve to punish Pakistan's outrageous behaviour, irrespective of the international concern about a flare-up between two nuclear armed nations, came amid clear signs of India's waning patience.

On Saturday, the political leadership discussed the option of precision strikes against terrrorist targets on Pakistan-controlled territory. This marked the end of India's restraint, in the face of Pakistan's assurances made under pressure from the international community.

On Sunday, the US, which had publicly expressed satisfaction with Pakistan’s response to India's demands, suddenly switched gears with secretary of state Condoleezza Rice stating that the Mumbai attacks could not be "swept under the carpet". The US would not have tried to lean hard on Pakistan at this juncture, had it not been convinced that India meant business.

In another development which mirrored the gravity of the situation, the US joint chiefs of staff Mike Mullen visited Islamabad for the second time in the recent past to convince the Pakistanis. It is believed that Mullen warned Pakistan in no uncertain terms that things would go out of hand if it did not respond to India's demands.

Pakistan's behaviour has been along known lines, using promises of good behaviour when faced with threats from India and others only to revert to their usual ways once pressure was off. India has made it clear that it would not be taken in by pledges, signaling to the world that it would not hesitate to use force if Pakistan continued with the "shift and deflect" manoeuvre. India has put all processes with Pakistan on "pause", said sources.
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2008, 11:31:14 pm »
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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2008, 11:32:35 pm »
ignore the christian overtones people set this aside now
also check jerusalem countdown by pastor hagee, this man is hinting at such events that are happening now

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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2008, 11:33:01 pm »
In his book Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, Hagee interprets the Bible to predict that Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the antichrist, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.[26] Hagee asserts that "the reason for the continual conflict over the city of Jerusalem is theology," because, he maintains, the Qur'an instructed believers "to kill and maim anyone who did not believe in Allah or in Muhammad his prophet."[27] He also claims that when Jeremiah prophesied in the Bible that "I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks," he was foreseeing The Holocaust. "The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear," Hagee writes. "No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home that God ever intended for the Jews to have—Israel."[28] He has made the same claim in a sermon.[29]

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2008, 11:33:21 pm »
Pakistan military on 'red alert'         
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TUESDAY, 23 DECEMBER 2008 01:23
Pakistan media is reporting that the country's military is on high alert over a possible strike by India.
Monday's reports come after a ratcheting up of tension between the two countries following attacks in Mumbai last month which killed 163 people.

The local media attributed its reports to military sources, who were confirming that the navy, air force and army were on red alert.

"The Pakistani air force have been seen visibly in a number of locations flying close to the Pakistani-India border in what is being described as an aggressive patrolling mode, following reports that India is planning pre-emptive strikes against locations in Pakistan," reported.

"Chiefs of the three forces are meeting in what is being described as an emergency meeting in general headquarters in Rawalpindi.

"Only after the meeting is over will we come to know if it is a red alert or a heightened state of alert."

Hyder said that observers are saying that the Congress party in India has lost prestige due to the Mumbai attacks and, therefore, may try a show of strength in Pakistan.

Delayed civilian flights

The Reuters news agency quoted a Pakistan airline official as saying the Pakistani air force had conducted an exercise on Monday causing delays to two civilian flights.

"Two of our flights were delayed for some time because the PAF was conducting some exercises, but now everything is back on normal," Muhammad Latif, a spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines, said.

The flights were delayed at the airport in Lahore, near the Indian border, Latif said, while dismissing television reports of a high alert at Pakistani airports.
  
An air force spokesman declined to comment when asked about an exercise, saying only: "In view of the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

'No red alerts'

"I think the media is building up a scenario in which one may get the impression that we are close to war"

"This is not the stage that the two forces are going to go on that sort of alert."

But Brigadier-General Naeem Salik, a retired Pakistani military analyst, told from Islamabad: "There have been very threatening statements [from India] saying that they do not rule out military options, and they have been talking about punishing Pakistan.

"So it is obviously natural for Pakistan to heighten its alert levels and be on guard. We cannot let the Indians have a free-run and it is a response to what is happening across the borders."

Last week, Pakistan summoned a senior Indian diplomat in Islamabad to protest against recent alleged airspace violations by Indian warplanes.

Indian fighter jets had crossed into Pakistani airspace over Kashmir and Punjab province, the government said on December 13.

Pakistan said its own fighter jets were scrambled to chase off the intruders, but it also played down the incident by describing the violations as "technical" and "inadvertent".

India accepted violation of Pakistani airspace.

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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2008, 11:35:19 pm »
In his book Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, Hagee interprets the Bible to predict that Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the antichrist, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.[26] Hagee asserts that "the reason for the continual conflict over the city of Jerusalem is theology," because, he maintains, the Qur'an instructed believers "to kill and maim anyone who did not believe in Allah or in Muhammad his prophet."[27] He also claims that when Jeremiah prophesied in the Bible that "I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks," he was foreseeing The Holocaust. "The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear," Hagee writes. "No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home that God ever intended for the Jews to have—Israel."[28] He has made the same claim in a sermon.[29]

wow, interesting eh?

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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2008, 11:36:35 pm »
India steps up war signals against Pak
India's Congress Chief Sonia Gandhi says her country is capable of giving a 'befitting reply' to those using Pakistan soil for promoting terrorism.
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Pakistan has "failed to halt the use of its soil by terrorists", Gandhi told an election rally in Dablehar, about 30 km west of Jammu, adding that India was 'quite competent' to respond to such attacks.

"Let me make it clear to our neighboring country (Pakistan) that we have all the competence and power to give a befitting reply to the use of its soil by terrorists, who mount assaults on India," she declared to a cheering crowd near the Indo-Pak border belt on Sunday.

'Our yearning for peace should not be taken for weakness', she said, adding that 'terrorism continues to spring out of our neighborhood.'

She also voiced disappointment over Pakistan's failure to reciprocate India's efforts for better ties.

"We have tried to build friendly relations but it is a matter of regret that they have not understood our feelings," she said addressing a rally for the final phase of assembly elections in Jammu and Kashmir.

The remarks came three weeks after New Delhi blamed the supposed Pakistan-based militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba for orchestrating the November 26 attacks on Mumbai, which left around 200 dead.

Earlier Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said that the government was keeping all options open in dealing with the situation.

Also, a US intelligence agency said that the Indian military had prepared operations against targets in Pakistan and awaited the signal to go forward.

"These most likely would take the form of unilateral precision strikes inside Pakistan-administered Kashmir, along with special forces action on the ground in Pakistan," Global Intelligence Service, Stratfor said in its latest report.

US, Indian and British officials claim to have clear evidence suggesting that the attacks originated in terrorist training camps inside Pakistan.

Islamabad has expressed its desire for peace but warned New Delhi of an effective response, should India launch an attack on Pakistan
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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2008, 11:40:58 pm »
PAF secures N-sites after tip-off

Fighter jets sent to counter possible strike | Vigilance enhanced

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ISLAMABAD: After confirmation of a report that Indian and Israeli air forces have planned an attack on Pakistan's nuclear installations, Pakistan Air Force sprang into action by sending its fighter jets into the air to thwart a possible air strike on Monday, according to reliable sources.

Pakistan's Nuclear Control and Command Authority was directed to take necessary measures to deal with any emergency situation.

It has also been learnt that anti-aircraft guns and missiles are being installed at the country's nuclear installations. PAF has been directed to remain on high alert until further orders. After reports of a likely attack, passenger flights to Dubai, India and Lahore were stopped for some time.

Sources said a secret meeting of Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, CIA, FBI, RAW and MI 5 was held in which a possible attack on Pakistan's nuclear installation s was discussed. Fighter jets flew over big cities in Punjab Monday as the armed forces were placed on red alert amid mounting tensions between Pakistan and India after the Mumbai attacks.

Sources in the Defense Ministry said PAF fighter planes flew over Lahore, the twin cities of Rawalpini and Islambad and along the Line of Control with a view to thwarting any airspace violation and checking operational preparedness.

PAF Spokesman Humayun Waqar Zafar said PAF fighter planes were involved in routine flights, so there was no need for any sort of panic or fear.

"In view of the current environment, PAF has enhanced its vigilance," he said.

He said PAF was fully committed and determined to give a befitting response to the enemy.

On the other hand, a high-level meeting under Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Tariq Majeed was held here on Monday.

Sources say that during the meeting a host of issues concerning national security came under discussion.

Gen Tariq Majeed took in confidence the military leadership on various matters including his recent visit to China, sources said.

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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2008, 11:46:45 pm »
Hey guys, Pakistan's AP just came out with this about half an hour ago:
Pakistan committed to maintain peace in region
http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62803&Itemid=2
ISLAMABAD, Dec 22 (APP): Minister of State for Defence Production Sardar Salim Haidar Khan on Monday said that government is making efforts and playing its role effectively to reduce tension in the region.

“Pakistan has always worked for peace in South Asia and we would continue to play our role to defuse tension between Pakistan and India and reducing  any possibility of war,” the minister said in a statement.

He said that Pakistan has taken action against the Jamat‑ud‑Dawa following the UN Resolution. “Pakistan is a responsible state and fulfills its international obligations.”

He said Pakistan has accepted UN Resolution regarding ban on Jamat‑ud‑Dawa to remove the concerns of international community.

Sardar Salim Haidar Khan said “Pakistan too is victim of terrorism and its elected democratic government is fully committed to control terrorism.”

He said some non state actors want to increase tension in the region. He added these non‑state actors are behind terrorist attacks in Mumbai. “India  has to trust on Pakistan’s commitment and its efforts in fight against  terrorism.”

He said India should give evidence to Pakistan regarding any involvement of Pakistani citizen in Mumbai attack, adding, the government will investigate such evidence if provided.

However the minister made it clear that if such evidences are proved true than Pakistan will take action against responsibles according to its own law  and no Pakistani citizen will be handed over to India.

It's strange how Pak is practically bending over backwards, even offered India to have a joint investgation, yet India keeps rejecting any peaceful actions that Pak offers. Instead, India keeps beating the war drums louder and louder. Pak is nothing but a scapegoat.
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2008, 11:48:20 pm »
It's strange how Pak is practically bending over backwards, even offered India to have a joint investgation, yet India keeps rejecting any peaceful actions that Pak offers. Instead, India keeps beating the war drums louder and louder.

Yep, it's like they can't WAIT to attack them or something.  ::)

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« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2008, 11:51:20 pm »
anyone got any reports from iran or anything? hell russia today?!

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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2008, 11:52:43 pm »
No, but TIME just released this:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1868327,00.html?iid=tsmodule

Pakistan-India Tensions Mount Over Mumbai Terror
By Omar Waraich / Islamabad
Nearly a month since the Mumbai terror attacks that killed 163 people, India and Pakistan remain locked in a war of words, and cross-border tensions are rising. New Delhi is growing increasingly frustrated over what it sees as Pakistan's failure to act more decisively against Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the group blamed for the attacks, and Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), its affiliate charity. But Islamabad bristles at such criticism, noting that it has cracked down on JuD in line with a U.N. Security Council designation of the group as a terrorist organization, and arguing that unless India provides credible evidence to prosecute particular invididuals, Pakistan's hands are tied.
Tensions escalated Monday as Pakistani air force jets patrolled the skies over major cities while, across the border, the Indian Foreign Minister accused Pakistan of shifting "blame and responsibility." Residents in Islamabad and Lahore, the eastern capital of Punjab province near the Indian border, were alarmed by the sight of the jets swooping low over them. In a brief explanatory statement that made an opaque reference to India's alleged incursions into Pakistani air space last week, the Pakistan air force said that "in view of the current environment," it had, "enhanced its vigilance." (See pictures of the Mumbai massacre)

"[Pakistan's military] is trying to show to the Indians that it will not let incursions take place without being challenged," says analyst and retired general Talat Masood. Pakistani fears of a potential Indian military strike, which have simmered since the Mumbai massacre, were heightened Monday after Pranab Mukherjee, the Indian Foreign Minister, said that his country was keeping all its options open. While Mukherjee denied any intent to launch military action, he issued the latest in a series of stern salvos, demanding of Pakistan that "much more needs to be done," echoing remarks made by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in recent days. "We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently," Mukherjee told a gathering of Indian diplomats in New Delhi, adding that India has provided Pakistan evidence of the culprits, including satellite phone intercepts and a letter from Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole surviving suspect, Reuters reported.

But Rehman Malik, the Interior Ministry chief who has been leading Pakistan's counterterrorism efforts, told TIME from Islamabad that his government was still awaiting concrete evidence from India. "Whatever action has been desired by the United Nations, we have taken," Malik said, referring to the crackdown on JuD and two other charities. The government on Sunday froze all bank accounts belonging to JuD, Malik said. Earlier this month, it moved to arrest 60 members of the group, barred 11 of its members from leaving the country and banned its publications (although the group's website is still active). It also claims to have sealed 109 of the group's offices and placed 16 schools and five clinics under government control, according to government documents seen by TIME. The arrested men include five members of JuD's "central leadership," listed as the group's founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed; the head of its legal wing, Mufti Abdul Rehman; its head of public relations, retired Colonel Nazir Ahmed; the editor of its newspaper "Ghazwa" Ameer Hamza; and the alleged chief of operations of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhwi.

The documents also reveal that orders have been issued to prevent JuD from resurfacing under a different name, as occurred when Lashkar-e-Taiba members moved into its fold following the outlawing of the militant organization in 2002. JuD had been placed under surveillance that same year, when it stopped openly displaying its weapons, but amplified its criticism of the Pakistan government and began operating schools and clinics, according to the documents.

Malik insists that no further action will be taken until Pakistan receives evidence from India, adding that without it his government could be forced to release the men it has arrested. "They have been detained under the MPO [the Maintenance of Public Order Act, a Pakistani law that allows authorities to detain people for up to 90 days]. Tomorrow if they go to the court, they will say our action is mala fide, and the court is bound to listen to them. How can you restrict somebody's movement unless you have evidence?"

Although top British and U.S. officials have demanded that Pakistan act on evidence provided of Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks, Malik insists that his government has received no "material evidence" that would allow it to prosecute individuals. "Providing somebody's name and to say that he is a criminal, that is no evidence," he says. Despite the recent anti-terror pact between the British and Pakistani governments announced during Prime Minister Gordon Brown's visit to the region earlier this month, Malik signaled that there is little prospect of British authorities being allowed to interview the suspects Pakistan has detained. "There are certain procedures and laws of this country, they do not give access to investigators... But we have said, give us a list of questions and if they want, we can do it for them."
Malik did confirm that on Monday he received a letter from Ajmal Amir Kasab, the surviving Mumbai attacker currently in Indian custody. "We have received a letter written by Ajmal to the Pakistani High Commission in Delhi asking for legal help," he says. As recently as last week, President Zardari had expressed doubts in a BBC interview that Kasab was even Pakistani, but Malik says that although the suspect's name doesn't appear in Pakistani records, "the father and the mother's names mentioned" do exist.

The Pakistani government's position, which will likely be deemed intransigent by New Delhi and by Washington and London, may be a measure of the contending pressures bearing down on President Asif Ali Zardari and his shaky civilian government. As Indian demands and Western concerns have grown more vocal, Zardari's government has struggled to simultaneously respond and keep in check a restive army hard-wired for conflict with India, and also to contain rising domestic hostility toward a neighbor with which it had been keen to cement peace.

The Zardari government had prided itself on its efforts to reconcile with its counterparts in Afghanistan and India, inviting Afghan President Hamid Karzai to Zardari's inauguration, opening trade across Kashmir's Line of Control, and announcing that Pakistan would stand down on its first-strike nuclear capability. But over recent weeks, as the government's disapproval rating has soared to 76% according to a poll conducted by the International Republican Institute, broad sections of the media and political opposition have accused it of bowing too easily to foreign demands. And angry supporters of JuD, which remains popular for its relief work following the Kashmir earthquake, have taken to the streets to protest its banning.

"We are worried about a backlash," Malik concedes, citing mounting pressure from Pakistan's small but vocal religious parties. In the face of such local anger, many Pakistani analysts fear that greater Indian pressure could play into the hand of hawks in Pakistan. "The hype that is being generated by hawks on both sides, although they are a minority, has a momentum of its own," says Masood, the retired general and analyst. "It feeds into military action. What are these elements trying to achieve? There has to be joint cooperation if you want to achieve anything against the terrorists. The war is against them, not each other."

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2008, 11:57:09 pm »
PAF flights panic twin cities residents
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C12%5C23%5Cstory_23-12-2008_pg11_4
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ISLAMABAD: Tension gripped the twin cities of Rawalpindi and Islamabad when Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fighter aircraft came into the air amid reports that a state of high alert had been declared at all airports in view of the war drum being beaten in India.

No sooner had the PAF fighter jets came into the skies of the twin cities than the people came running out of their houses only to be greeted by the rumors of a war with India. Majority of women and children stayed indoors and watched the PAF Shaheens scouring the skies for enemy jets.

“It seems India has imposed a war on Pakistan despite continuous explanations from our government that no Pakistani was involved in the Mumbai attacks,” Tahir Khan, a resident, said while talking to Daily Times.

The print and electronic media offices received a deluge of phone calls, with the callers eager to know what exactly had caused the aircraft to come into the air. Wilayat Balti telephoned Daily Times offices to confirm if the situation was really worsening. People remained glued to TV sets to get the updates amid prayers that better sense prevailed on the leaderships on the two sides of the divide.

“War is no answer and no solution to any dispute because past wars between Pakistan and India have done nothing but destruction,” said a resident.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2008, 11:58:10 pm »
And looks like Russia made a deal with the palestinians
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/35084

Moscow promises to support Palestine
Russia is ready to provide financial support to Palestine, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said. Lavrov made the announcement at a meeting with the President of the Palestinian National Authority Mahmoud Abbas in Moscow. Lavrov also said that Russia was fully supportive of Abbas's policy in the Middle East.

It has been eight months since Mahmoud Abbas last visited Moscow, and in that period his political challenges have changed dramatically. Back in April he was hoping for the best, and now he is trying to avert the worst.

Air strikes, funerals, and vows to fight the enemy - the bloody circle continues as Hamas abandons a ceasefire, while contenders for Israel’s highest office promise to topple the Gaza leadership. The fragile peace process is once again on the brink of collapse.

Russia is a member of the ‘Quartet’ – along with the U.S., EU, and the UN – that seeks to broker peace in the Middle East. However, unlike other Quartet members, Russia recognises the legitimacy of Hamas, the Islamic party that controls the Gaza Strip. Moscow maintains ties with both Hamas and its rival party Fatah.

Nevertheless, the Russian Foreign Minister stressed Russia’s support for Abbas and called on all the parties to exercise restraint.

Speaking at a joint media conference, Sergey Lavrov said:

“The Russian government supports Mahmoud Abbas as the leader of Palestine in a variety of areas. First and foremost, this concerns the security efforts deployed by the Palestinian government. We are also ready to encourage co-operation in investment.”

The Palestinian leader responded by saying that he hoped “the upcoming Moscow conference on the Middle East will lay a good foundation towards peace in the region”.

”I want to say that we highly value Russia's role in the peace process,” Mahmoud Abbas added.

Abbas has also met with President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The Russian and the Palestinian leaders discussed ways to co-operate on peace in the Middle East.

Medvedev thanked the Palestinian leader for visiting the Russian internal republic of Chechnya, and expressed hopes that more leaders would come to the region to witness the transformation of the area. Abbas also met with its president Ramzan Kadyrov and visited the tomb of his slain father Akhmat Kadyrov.

Abbas has become the first Arabic leader to visit Chechnya after the 1990s armed conflict in the North Caucasian region, when some forces in the Islamic world openly supported Chechen militants. Hosting an Arab leader in Chechnya means a lot for the Kremlin, which has long maintained Chechen militants were supported by Islamic terrorist networks.

“This is not your first time in Russia but recently the geography of your trips has widened - you’ve visited the city of Grozny in Chechnya. We think that’s very useful,” Medvedev said.

Now almost completely rebuilt, a decade ago Chechnya seemed as far away from peace as Palestine is now. Abbas even hinted the Chechen example may come in handy. “We had a chance to familiarise ourselves with the experience of the Chechen leadership both in political and social issues,” Abbas said.

Earlier on Monday, Abbas was honoured by Russia's Muslim leaders for his contribution in bringing peace to the region.

This is likely to be the last foreign visit for the Palestinian leader, whose term in office ends next month.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2008, 12:06:50 am »
Pakistan on ‘high alert’
http://blastmagazine.com/the-blogs/terra/2008/12/pakistan-on-high-alert/
By Sachin Seth

Pakistani media is reporting that the country’s military is now on “high alert” over a possible attack by neighbour India, Al Jazeera reports.

The announcement came Monday after Indian officials handed over a letter by the last surviving terrorist from November’s Mumbai tragedy that killed nearly 170 people.

The letter confirmed accusations that all 10 terrorists hailed from Pakistan, India’s Foreign ministry reports.

The navy, air force and army are all on “red alert.”

Obviously, I don’t think attacking Pakistan is the answer.  These two countries have enough problems, starting a string of attacks between the two isn’t going to solve anything.

Then again, the people of India are demanding some sort of action be taken in response to these attacks, especially now since it has been confirmed that all attackers were from Pakistan.

Indian officials have said that they will “explore all options” to ensure Pakistan cracks down on these kinds of cross-border attacks.  They also called for more international pressure to be put on Pakistan, in an effort to make them co-operate in investigations.

I agree with that, there’s a lot more Pakistan can do.  They’ve arrested some people but refuse to really do anything with them.  Extraditing them to India makes sense to me, but not for them, since the arrested are citizens of Pakistan and many of them have no direct connection to the attacks.

No matter what happens, tensions are increasing between these two rivals, and will continue to increase until something groundbreaking happens.

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Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2008, 12:13:21 am »
It seems Pakistan is being provoked to make the first move so they look more like the bad guys, as the Mumbai attacks have already done.  :(