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Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« on: January 30, 2009, 11:57:15 pm »
This incremental move is, btw, in the new Canadian budget too. Funny how that works that way.

Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
http://statismwatch.ca/2009/01/29/britain-unveils-plans-for-nationalized-internet-service/

Andy Burnham, the British ‘Media Secretary’ mentioned below, was in The Guardian calling for internationally enforced age restrictions for access to the web only one month ago. This is the guy overseeing the Internet in the UK?!?

Kate Holton, Georgina Prodhan, Reuters
January 29, 2009


LONDON — Britain unveiled plans to provide universal broadband access on Thursday as it believes the £50-billion digital industry will help the country move out of recession.

A report by Communications minister Lord Carter said Britain would work to provide broadband access to the whole country at least 2 Megabits per second (Mb). He also intends to introduce legislation to force Internet service providers to crack down on Web piracy.

“We are developing plans to move towards a historic universal service commitment for broadband and digital services to include options up to 2 Megabits per second, building on the approach to postal services and telephone services in centuries past,” Media Secretary Andy Burnham told the House of Commons.

Currently, 60 per cent of the country takes broadband, while some 99 per cent has access to it, but not always at the required 2 Mb speed.

Welcoming the Carter proposals, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Britain would look to support the industry as it would play a crucial part in lifting the country out of the recession.

“Our digital networks will be the backbone of our economy in the decades ahead,” Mr. Brown said before the interim report was released. “It is as essential to our future prosperity in the 21st century as roads, bridges, trains and electricity were in the 20th century.”

The final report will be due in June.

Mr. Burnham said the government was also exploring how it could create a second body to compete with the BBC in producing public service content, with struggling broadcaster Channel 4 at the centre.

Media regulator Ofcom said last week Channel 4 should be allowed to merge or partner with either the commercial arm of the BBC, BBC Worldwide, or with RTL’s Channel Five.

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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 06:44:36 am »
Like parental controls.  Make sure you aren't accessing undesirable information.

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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 04:29:19 pm »
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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 04:48:11 pm »
This incremental move is, btw, in the new Canadian budget too. Funny how that works that way.

Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
http://statismwatch.ca/2009/01/29/britain-unveils-plans-for-nationalized-internet-service/

Andy Burnham, the British ‘Media Secretary’ mentioned below, was in The Guardian calling for internationally enforced age restrictions for access to the web only one month ago. This is the guy overseeing the Internet in the UK?!?

Kate Holton, Georgina Prodhan, Reuters
January 29, 2009


LONDON — Britain unveiled plans to provide universal broadband access on Thursday as it believes the £50-billion digital industry will help the country move out of recession.

A report by Communications minister Lord Carter said Britain would work to provide broadband access to the whole country at least 2 Megabits per second (Mb). He also intends to introduce legislation to force Internet service providers to crack down on Web piracy.

“We are developing plans to move towards a historic universal service commitment for broadband and digital services to include options up to 2 Megabits per second, building on the approach to postal services and telephone services in centuries past,” Media Secretary Andy Burnham told the House of Commons.

Currently, 60 per cent of the country takes broadband, while some 99 per cent has access to it, but not always at the required 2 Mb speed.

Welcoming the Carter proposals, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Britain would look to support the industry as it would play a crucial part in lifting the country out of the recession.

“Our digital networks will be the backbone of our economy in the decades ahead,” Mr. Brown said before the interim report was released. “It is as essential to our future prosperity in the 21st century as roads, bridges, trains and electricity were in the 20th century.”

The final report will be due in June.

Mr. Burnham said the government was also exploring how it could create a second body to compete with the BBC in producing public service content, with struggling broadcaster Channel 4 at the centre.

Media regulator Ofcom said last week Channel 4 should be allowed to merge or partner with either the commercial arm of the BBC, BBC Worldwide, or with RTL’s Channel Five.

Source | See Also under Internet: Google plans to make PCs history | EU Police set to step up warrantless hacking of home PCs | Defense Contractors See $$$ in Cyber Security | UK Culture secretary wants international age restrictions for web | Protests in Australia over proposal to block Web sites | Latest Round of Closed-Door ACTA Copyright Negotiations Wrap Up | China restarts online crackdown | CRTC Internet regulation proposals take shape | Cyberbullying verdict turns rule-breakers into criminals | Felony hacking precedent not set in case of Myspace cyberbully | Myspace terms of use could become fulcrum for destruction of online anonymity in precedent setting case | Bell can squeeze downloads, CRTC rules | Australia to Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship | Microsoft patents web moderator robots, forbidden phrases to be memory-holed | CRTC to consider Internet regulation, invites public comment | RCMP to helm a Canadian “cyber-security strategy” | Is an Internet tax coming? | Italian Judge: Blogs are Illegal | Digital rights groups sue for access to secret ACTA treaty | Berners-Lee W3C Consortium to ‘Authorize’ Website Content? | Digital issues deserve spot in election campaign | Critics waging a cyber offensive to fight copyright changes | Law Professor tells tech conference: plans to shut down Internet already on deck | Bell continues throttling Internet, proposes bandwidth caps for resellers | Rogers Looks For New Ways To Annoy Customers, Hijacks Failed DNS Lookups | MySpace signs up to OpenID scheme | Vint Cerf blasts ISPs for choking off internet infrastructure | Bell’s internet throttling illegal, Google says | Canadian Industry Minister lies about Canadian DMCA on national radio, then hangs up | The Canadian DMCA: Check the Fine Print | Government ready to drop copyright bomb | Transparency needed on ACTA | Net neutrality bill hits House of Commons | Revamped copyright law targets electronic devices | New Attempt to Align Canada’s Copyright Act with USA Coming Soon | CRTC revisits Internet oversight | Bell accused of privacy invasion | Canadian DMCA To Be Introduced Tomorrow Morning?

I think I missed this, having read the proposals a few times, could you tell point out where in this article it says there will be a nationalised Internet in the UK?
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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 06:43:54 pm »
Ok, let me ask another question: Why is the UK government, and others, so keen for every household to have broadband Internet access? And it's nothing to do with a nationalised Internet.
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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 06:44:56 pm »
To have the webcams act like security camras in your own home

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 06:56:19 pm »
To have the webcams act like security camras in your own home

Well spotted Menace  :)

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Comment The first thing that came out of our mouths when we heard that Google is working on a system that listens to what's on your TV playing in the background, and then serves you relevant adverts, was "that's cool, but dangerous".

The idea appeared in Technology Review citing Peter Norvig, director of research at Google, who says these ideas will show up eventually in real Google products - sooner rather than later.

The idea is to use the existing PC microphone to listen to whatever is heard in the background, be it music, your phone going off or the TV turned down. The PC then identifies it, using fingerprinting, and then shows you relevant content, whether that's adverts or search results, or a chat room on the subject.

And, of course, we wouldn’t put it past Google to store that information away, along with the search terms it keeps that you've used, and the web pages you have visited, to help it create a personalised profile that feeds you just the right kind of adverts/content. And given that it is trying to develop alternative approaches to TV advertising, it could go the extra step and help send "content relevant" advertising to your TV as well.

We suspect that such a world would be rather eerie, with a constant feeling of déjà vu every time anyone watched TV.

Technology Review said Google talked about this software in Europe last June, and that it breaks sound into a five-second snippets to pick out audio from a TV, reducing the snippet to a digital "fingerprint", which it matches on an internet server.

Given the furore caused when AOL released searches on the internet, there might be more than a few civil liberties activists less than happy for Google to put this idea into practice. Also, given that Google provides the software link between its search software and the microphone, it's a small step to making the same link to any webcams attached to the PC.

Pretty soon the security industry is going to find a way to hijack the Google feed and use it for full on espionage.

Google says that its fingerprinting technology makes it impossible for the company (or anyone else) to eavesdrop on other sounds in the room, such as personal conversations, because the conversion to a fingerprint is made on the PC, and a fingerprint can't be reversed, as it's only an identity.

But we should think that "spyware" might take on an extra meaning if someone less scrupulous decided on a similar piece of software.

The Google program converts sound into graphs, weeds out background noise, and reduces the graphs to key features that can then be translated into just four bytes of information, so that the fingerprints for an entire year of television programming would add up to no more than a few gigabytes, the company said.

Meanwhile, in an unconnected announcement this week, Google said it has signed a multi-year agreement with online auction giant eBay, to provide text-based advertising outside the US.

The companies also plan to launch a "click-to-call" advertising function on eBay using Skype and Google Talk.

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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 08:53:01 pm »
I think I missed this, having read the proposals a few times, could you tell point out where in this article it says there will be a nationalised Internet in the UK?

"Britain unveiled plans to provide universal broadband access"

It's implicit - even if we assume it's to be done through a PPP rather than the gov't outright setting up something like a 'British Internet Corporation', that is still nationalization of the industry, since it gather control of a greater part of the market sector into state hands. Nationalization is an incremental move these days as few people would react well to, say, outright takeover. If the state is funding something, it calls the shots.


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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 09:47:08 am »
Public Private Partnership is Fascism. It is worse than nationalization.

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2009, 02:47:30 pm »
I know that is just sick.

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 05:17:23 am »
this is facism.

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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2009, 05:44:47 am »
Government investment in a "public service" is fascism? There are many private broadband providers in the UK, none of which are going out of business that I can see. What they are doing however is reaping the financial rewards while neglecting network infrastructure the result of which is a gradually poorer service for everyone. Now, if the private corporations are going to allow that service to be run into the ground for the sake of making a quick buck while they can, should we sit back and allow that to affect everyone or are we to expect the government to do their job and step in to pick up the slack? I'd take public ownership anyday provided that comes with some accountability, which there is none of currently. Fascism, I doubt you know the meaning of the word.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2009, 12:35:00 pm »
I'm sure a condition of using the UK's nationalized internet service is to thumbscan or facescan every time you log in. Of course it seems fingerprint scanners have fallen to the wayside in favor of webcams with integrated facial recognition technology. I figure it won't be long before we see a version of Mac OS which forces you to register your faceprint before you're allowed to use the actual OS. That must be why all new consumer-level Macs - iMacs and iBooks - dating back to 2006 have had integrated webcams, and there was a report a while back about Apple filing a patent to place the camera behind the computer screen. I guess they figured out "too many people are defeating Big Brother by placing a piece of tape over the camera lens, so we'll put the camera behind the computer screen and make it impossible to block the camera".

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2009, 12:50:54 pm »
Like parental controls.  Make sure you aren't accessing undesirable information.

I was writing about this the other day UNDER A POST CALLED WHAT IF THE INTERNET WENT DOWN TOMORROW?

There is evidence out there that they want to impose controls on our internet via filtering companies - in fact they already are doing that - go read the Prevent section of the new anti terror plan Contest 2 - its all there in black and white along with a load of other scary stuff you might prefer not to know!
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 12:53:02 pm »
Big deal, I would take the whole frigging monitor apart looking for the camera or would just substitute an older monitor. If worst come to worst I would just give up on the computer. I do not want to live in my home knowing that I could be spied 24/7. If it came to that I would smnash every electronic piece of equipment I had.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2009, 12:56:21 pm »
Tempting but how can we all stay in communication if we do that ?

I kinda have some weird thoughts some times that our TV`s all have some kinda cameras in and that some where is a big room with ppl watching - think 1984 and thats pretty much what i think - i`m not a tech geek - but i think this might be feasible - esp if you allow them to hook your tv up to a phone line no?
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2009, 05:56:01 am »
Can't we have some kind of decentralized torrent software, and utilize home wi-fi or use the electricity network to create a truly decentralized internet? It would be slower to start, but, more people involved, it could be more efficient than the centralized system of major servers that we have today.

I can set up a network via my apple, for example, where I can share internet. Not hard to boost it. Particularly for a city location.

We can also revert back to dial up modems, logging onto a decentralized network via the phone line.

Any moves for this kind of thing?

It would be the equivalent of local seed banks and seed swapping after they made it illegal to sell heirloom seeds in Europe.

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2009, 07:20:10 am »
Can't we have some kind of decentralized torrent software, and utilize home wi-fi or use the electricity network to create a truly decentralized internet? It would be slower to start, but, more people involved, it could be more efficient than the centralized system of major servers that we have today.

I can set up a network via my apple, for example, where I can share internet. Not hard to boost it. Particularly for a city location.

We can also revert back to dial up modems, logging onto a decentralized network via the phone line.

Any moves for this kind of thing?

It would be the equivalent of local seed banks and seed swapping after they made it illegal to sell heirloom seeds in Europe.
All sounds very good to me - but im not too tech minded so wouldnt be sure how to do as you suggest ! Willing to learn though . . .
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2009, 08:09:55 pm »
Government investment in a "public service" is fascism?

Yes it's fascism because since the government would own the internet service, they would have the legal power to censor/block access to "questionable" websites. By "questionable", I'm not talking about some al-Qaeda website created by the CIA and fronted by the CIA. I'm talking about sites such as Infowars.com, Prisonplanet.com, this forum, Jack Blood's website, Megaupload, The Pirate Bay, and other similar websites which challenge the corporate monopoly power structure.

What if one day paid Microsoft shills end up running the nationalized internet service and block access to Linux-related websites such as Ubuntu.com or Linuxtoday.com or Distrowatch.com?

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2009, 12:56:49 pm »
this is what china has done. they control the internet by nationalizing it and moderating it. they censor everything, and decide what you can and cannot see. they are taking steps further toward a fascist big brother society and if I'm quite honest it won't be long before people are sick of being oppressed and rise up.

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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2009, 01:09:54 pm »
No difference between this nonsense and "healthcare for all". They eliminate the free market with the promise of utopia, but in the end, it's crap, and you no longer have any options.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2009, 01:54:54 pm »
No difference between this nonsense and "healthcare for all". They eliminate the free market with the promise of utopia, but in the end, it's crap, and you no longer have any options.

Exactly. The "free healthcare for all" thing would be just like nationalized/socialized internet service.

With nationalized/socialized internet service, the government would own the service and - at least - partly pay for the service with taxpayer money and would use that to justify restrictions on speech which would be an outright violation of the First Amendment and a potential violation of the Fourth Amendment if they use your "objectionable" speech to do a search and seizure of your computer; a search and seizure of your computer because you exercised constitutionally-protected free speech - with a warrant or without a warrant - would be a violation of the First Amendment and the Fourth Amendment because there is NO PROBABLE CAUSE; the Fourth Amendment clearly states that "no warrant shall be issued but upon probable cause"...if there is no probable cause, then the warrant is null and void.

With nationalized/socialized healthcare, the government would be - at least - partly paying for the service with taxpayer money and would use that to justify the imposition of nanny-state lifestyle fascism on everybody. Want free healthcare? Give up your guns and your home garden and all organic foods and consume Monsanto-grown GMOs and aspartame...and I'm sure saying anything critical of Big Pharma would cause you to lose your free healthcare. As far as I'm concerned, growing your own foods and eating organic foods is free expression, and to ban home gardens and organic foods is a violation of the First Amendment, and disqualifying you from having healthcare for criticizing Big Pharma is a BLATANT violation of the First Amendment.

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2009, 02:32:06 pm »
And to add to Darth's bang-on point, here:

"With nationalized/socialized healthcare, the government would be - at least - partly paying for the service with taxpayer money and would use that to justify the imposition of nanny-state lifestyle fascism on everybody."

When I argue to my lemming friends that it's not right, they tell me I'm free to move to another country if I don't like it. The people's heads are so thick they're going to eat this up in droves.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2009, 08:40:51 pm »
It's called the Common Wealth Realm, the Queen runs the U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a multitude of Islands such as Barbados.

She can literally oust Parliaments and Prime Minsiters if she wishes, she just doesn't like publicity.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2009, 09:13:59 pm »
And to add to Darth's bang-on point, here:

"With nationalized/socialized healthcare, the government would be - at least - partly paying for the service with taxpayer money and would use that to justify the imposition of nanny-state lifestyle fascism on everybody."

When I argue to my lemming friends that it's not right, they tell me I'm free to move to another country if I don't like it. The people's heads are so thick they're going to eat this up in droves.

IIRC, it was stated that part of HillaryCare and ObamaCare was that socialized healthcare would allow the government to tell you what you could and couldn't eat. We're already seeing the Food Nazis doing just that with the salmonella outbreaks (seems like false-flags to me) and the bill to ban organic and home gardens. I remember the Center for Consumer Freedom would say (and they still do) "Watch out for the Food Police! They want to ban your processed foods and soft drinks", yet it's clear that the Food Nazis actually want you to die from mercury poison (from fish and HFCS), diabetes (from HFCS and aspartame), and cancer (from HFCS, aspartame, mercury, MSG, and GMOs), and they want to use their Rockefeller overlords' GMO soy to sterilize you so they can achieve their overlords' depopulation agenda.

But can you imagine the overlords of socialized internet saying "Internet Explorer, Safari, and Firefox browsers only" (sorry Kubuntu users, you wouldn't be able to use Konqueror) or "Only computers running Windows XP/Vista/7 and Mac OS X are permitted to use our service; Linux, UNIX, and BSD not allowed" (even though Mac OS X is based on BSD UNIX, more particularly FreeBSD)?

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2009, 10:22:45 pm »
IIRC, it was stated that part of HillaryCare and ObamaCare was that socialized healthcare would allow the government to tell you what you could and couldn't eat. We're already seeing the Food Nazis doing just that with the salmonella outbreaks (seems like false-flags to me) and the bill to ban organic and home gardens. I remember the Center for Consumer Freedom would say (and they still do) "Watch out for the Food Police! They want to ban your processed foods and soft drinks", yet it's clear that the Food Nazis actually want you to die from mercury poison (from fish and HFCS), diabetes (from HFCS and aspartame), and cancer (from HFCS, aspartame, mercury, MSG, and GMOs), and they want to use their Rockefeller overlords' GMO soy to sterilize you so they can achieve their overlords' depopulation agenda.

But can you imagine the overlords of socialized internet saying "Internet Explorer, Safari, and Firefox browsers only" (sorry Kubuntu users, you wouldn't be able to use Konqueror) or "Only computers running Windows XP/Vista/7 and Mac OS X are permitted to use our service; Linux, UNIX, and BSD not allowed" (even though Mac OS X is based on BSD UNIX, more particularly FreeBSD)?

Actually, you need look not further than the notion that too many people still don't know that the official 9/11 account is crap. Why? Because the media is "one". The mind is no different than the food or the browsers: it's all about homogenizing, standardizing and controlling every damned thing. We're actually quite f**ked.
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Re: Britain unveils plans for nationalized internet service
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2009, 06:16:45 pm »
It's called the Common Wealth Realm, the Queen runs the U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a multitude of Islands such as Barbados.

She can literally oust Parliaments and Prime Minsiters if she wishes, she just doesn't like publicity.


At the bequest of the Illuminati. She actually doesn't run anything, so far as I understand it. She represents and yields powers for the group of plutocrats at the top. Its been like that ever since the Revolution here in Jolly old England, when the divine right of kings was quashed.