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Federal agency, new law to fight war on terror
7 Dec 2008, 0102 hrs IST, Dhananjay Mahapatra, TNN

New Delhi: The Federal Investigating Agency being considered by the Centre will have sweeping powers to probe incidents of terrorism anywhere in the country without obtaining prior consent of the state governments.

Shaken by the terror attacks on Mumbai, and under pressure to demonstrate it means business, the Centre plans to work around law and order being a state subject by terming terror strikes as attacks on "sovereignty" of the country. This would allow the Union government to pass a law setting up the FIA.

Determined to get the FIA passed in the forthcoming session of Parliament due to get underway on December 10, the government also plans to confer wider discretion to central security and law enforcement agencies to facilitate smooth interception of telephonic conversations of terror suspects by strengthening provisions of the Indian Telegraph Act.

The government seems determined to push ahead with anti-terror initiatives and the FIA also figured in an internal security review which saw home minister P Chidambaram meet National Security Advisor M K Narayanan on Saturday. Intelligence Bureau chief P C Haldar, Cabinet Secretary K M Chandrasekhar and top home and law officials also took attending the review meeting.

The high-level review took up intelligence gathering and analysis, air, coastal and riverine security besides media management during a terrorist crisis. There has been a business-like air to discussions and the nitty-gritty of equipment, command and monitoring mechanisms and manpower for policing were taken up.

Certain proposals like registration of fishing boats present a mammoth task and while technical feasibility studies of may take longer, the emphasis was on shorter term, "doable" solutions. There will be a further review next week to focus on issues that have been tagged.

In drafting the federal agency mechanism, which was finetuned in discussions involving home minister P Chidambaram and science and technology minister Kapil Sibal, both eminent lawyers, Centre hit upon the "sovereignty" clause to get the constitutional cover it was seeking.

The move, sources said, is constitutionally sound as the Centre is entitled to enact laws, without amending the Constitution, under Item No. 1 of the Union List, which reads: "Defence of India and every part thereof including preparation for defence and all such acts as may be conducive in times of war to its prosecution and after its termination to effective demobilisation."

The federal agency could be given shape under Item No. 8 of the Union List, which empowers the Centre to set up a "Central Bureau of Intelligence and Investigation", the sources say. In other words, terrorism would be dealt with at the central level and not get lost in the `law and order' debate -- a subject entrusted to the states under List II.

On the lines of the existing provision for special courts to try offences probed by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), the new enactment is likely to provide for designated courts to try terrorists and cases investigated by the proposed federal agency.

Government has readied its plan to strengthen the UAPA and is also carefully weighing, keeping in view its political constraints, bringing in a new anti-terror law which is milder than Pota.
 
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Re: INDIA GETTING SECRET POLICE AND PATRIOT ACT LIKE POWERS
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 04:40:09 pm »
Ohh lucky U.S. Military Industrial Complex. Now they can sell India Naked Body Scanners, Radioactivity sensors, Weapons and spyware
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Re: INDIA GETTING SECRET POLICE AND PATRIOT ACT LIKE POWERS
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 02:10:35 pm »
What a Surprise!  :o
And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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India to introduce new draconian anti-terror laws
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 06:07:33 pm »
India to introduce new draconian anti-terror laws

India to tighten anti-terror laws
 
Indian security forces are under pressure after the attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7787434.stm

The lower house of the Indian parliament has approved two new anti-terror bills following last month's attacks in the city of Mumbai (Bombay).


One of them proposes setting up a National Investigation Agency with sweeping powers of investigation.

The second strengthens existing anti-terror laws to allow suspects to be detained without bail for up to six months on the orders of a judge.

Correspondents say the bill is likely to pass in the upper house as well.

It will be put to the vote on Friday.

The opposition BJP supported the bills in Wednesday's votes but said that the provisions in the legislation should have been stronger.

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The BBC's Sanjoy Majumder in Delhi says that India's government has been under intense pressure following the Mumbai (Bombay) attacks to reform the country's intelligence and security systems.

The new bills introduced in parliament are seen as a first step in its response.

The National Investigation Agency would have wide-ranging powers to investigate terror cases across the country.

However, demands that the security forces be allowed to tap phone and internet lines without court orders have been rejected.

And confessions by suspects before police officers cannot be used as evidence in court.

India's home minister, P Chidambaram, said the bill balances the ability of the security agencies to prosecute with the need to protect individual freedom and human rights.

The Congress-led government scrapped a previous anti-terror law following criticism that it was misused and targeted the Muslim community.
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Indian 'Patriot Act' is now a law
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 07:18:51 am »
Yesterday, Dec 18, India passed NIA (National Intelligence Act) , just like US passed Patriot Act after 9/11

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If you were wondering, yes, Mumbai has turned India in a complete police state
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 08:52:06 am »
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Man_applauds_shoe-ing_of_Bush_held/articleshow/3849038.cms

Man applauds `shoe-ing' of Bush, held
17 Dec 2008, 0555 hrs IST, TNN


BANGALORE: The `booting' of George W Bush in Baghdad might have thrown up an entirely new terror angle in Bangalore.

A MICO employee, Jameel, who was discussing the incident at his office - and supporting the Iraqi journalist who hurled two shoes at the US President - has landed in custody. The police are questioning Jameel about his suspected terror links.

Jameel's strong support of the hurling of shoes by Muntadar al-Zeid made his colleagues smell a rat. They informed the Adugodi police, who promptly took the 40-year-old into custody for questioning.

The police found paper cuttings of various terror attacks and a letter Jameel had written to the President requesting clemency for Afzal Guru, who has been awarded the death penalty in the Parliament attack case.

When TOI contacted police commissioner Shankar Bidari, he confirmed Jameel is being questioned for his alleged terror links.

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how many will it take for americans to do the same.
It took one. One attack and the lies that followed were enough to destroy the once good name of the United States of America forever.

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And the media's being strong-armed to comply with new rules...
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 10:24:57 am »
http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k8/dec/dec187.php
NBA imposes rules for channels on terror coverage
Indiantelevision.com Team
(18 December 2008 9:00 pm)
    

NEW DELHI: After facing criticism that their live TV footage helped militants in the Mumbai terror attacks, Indian news broadcasters have produced a set of rules on how to cover such events.

Under the six-point guidelines framed by the umbrella body NBA (News Broadcasters Association), the channels shouldn't be telecasting details of identity, number and status of hostages. Nor should they provide information of pending rescue operations or details on the number of security personnel involved or the methods employed by them.

The News Broadcasting Standards Disputes Redressal Authority, constituted by the NBA, today said television TV channels should avoid any "live contact with the victims or security personnel or other technical personnel involved or the perpetrators during the course of any incident."

Addressing a press meet, Authority Chairman Justice JS Verma also said media should avoid "unnecessary repeated or continuous broadcast of archival footage that may tend to re-agitate the mind of the viewers. Archival footage, if shown, should clearly indicate 'file' and the date and time should be given where feasible."

The Authority said "no live reporting should be made that facilitates publicity of any terrorist or militant outfit or its ideology or tends to evoke sympathy for the perpetrators or glamourises them or their cause or advances the illegal agenda or objectives of the perpetrators."

The dead should also be treated with dignity and their visuals should not be shown. Special care should be taken in the broadcast of any distressing visuals and graphics showing grief and emotional scenes of victims and relatives which could cause distress to children and families.

At the outset, the Authority said all telecast of news relating to armed conflict, internal disturbance, communal violence, public disorder, crime and other similar situations should be tested on the touchstone of ‘public interest’.

Furthermore, the media had the responsibility to disseminate information which was factually accurate and objective.

Noting that these were broad guidelines and were not meant to be exhaustive, Justice Verma urged the channels not to comment individually on them as these had been drawn up at their initiative. However, he said in reply to questions that he could not prevent anyone from speaking if he so wished. He urged the media to "keep your conduct and do not fall into traps."

He said in reply to questions that nothing should be telecast which hampers the operation of justice. When it was pointed out that similar guidelines had been submitted to the Delhi High Court and the Government had also drawn up its own Self-Regulations Guidelines, he said all these would generally be in tune with each other.

Replying to a question on whether action was being taken by the Authority against any channel vis-a-vis coverage of Mumbai terror attacks, Verma said, "It is too early and the media should give the Authority some more time." Asked to specify details, he said, "wait and watch."

He said similar guidelines had also been issued in 1997 but had to be revised as some channels differed with the earlier guidelines. He also pointed out that an advisory had been issued by the Authority on 27 November, a day after the Mumbai terrorist attacks.

During a meeting convened by Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting and External Affairs on 10 December when he reprimanded the channels for their continuing broadcasts of the Mumbai terror attacks, the NBA had informed him that it was working on an Emergency News Protocol.

Justice Verma, a former Chief Justice of India and former Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission, was accompanied at the press meet by Professor Deepankar Gupta of the Jawaharlal Nehru University and Annie Joseph of the NBA.

Verma said he had been working upon drawing up the Guidelines for telecast of news relating to sensitive matters for some time but the tragic episode of the Mumbai terror attack made it extremely urgent that such guidelines be immediately circulated at least in relation to episodes akin to the Mumbai terror attack.


Clearly alarmed by the cascading effect of what it terms as the unending coverage of the Mumbai terror attacks, the Government had on 10 December decided to set up a coordination committee with broadcasters to ensure some self-regulation to ensure balanced coverage.

Meanwhile, the Government reiterated in Parliament today that it had constituted an Inter-Ministerial Committee (IMC) to look into the specific violations of Programme and Advertisement Codes by the satellite channels at national level and to recommend action against them for such violation.

Orders for constitution of the State and District Level Monitoring Committees have been issued so as to keep a close watch on content carried by the local cable TV channels at district or State level.

Under the Cable Television Networks (Regulation) Act, 1995 and rules framed thereunder, the District Magistrate, Sub Divisional Magistrate or Police Commissioner have been designated as authorized officers who can immediately take action against the local cable TV channels in case of violation. As separate committees/authorities take cognizance of complaints against National or local TV channels as the case may be, complaints do not have to be routed from District to State to National level before action is taken.

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Sounds like they're trying to prevent a "mumbai truth movement" from cropping up later.

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. Special care should be taken in the broadcast of any distressing visuals and graphics showing grief and emotional scenes of victims and relatives which could cause distress to children and families.

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wow, now it is unreasonable coverage to show the grief relatives of the vitcims of an attack, that sounds exactly like Fox, CNN, BBC coverage of Iraq, I remember at one point in the initial invasion the BBC took a live feed for 10 minutes or more on Newsnight of grieving families at a hospital after a US missiles killed dozens at a Baghdad market, it was one of the most shocking et most valuable things I have ever seen. People weeping and crying and in hysterics, moving and horrible but so worthwhile in terms of bringing home they fact that they suffer so much.

and of course there were complaints in all the right wing papers about this and ex-army commanders on saying it is bad for moral to show this stuff, generally the major networks do not show this kind of thing, just glimpses of it, greiving relatives are bad for moral.

Now Indian media is following the disgustig patter of censorship that the west has long taken, which is a damned shame.
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This is exactly the same deal as the Patriot Act. One attack and there we go! Police state. How nice.

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Could this be because gold is about to explode, and the Indian public control about 1/3 of the world's gold reserves, after they suffered fiat collapse from the British Empire? Is this a case of the empire hitting back at an enlightened public? All Indians, hide your gold! This police state could have been engineered to facilitate gold confiscation.

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Could this be because gold is about to explode, and the Indian public control about 1/3 of the world's gold reserves, after they suffered fiat collapse from the British Empire? Is this a case of the empire hitting back at an enlightened public? All Indians, hide your gold! This police state could have been engineered to facilitate gold confiscation.

You do realise that the same people that regulate the price of money, art, oil also regulates the price of gold.
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You do realise that the same people that regulate the price of money, art, oil also regulates the price of gold.

Of course I do dumbo, but the elite only suppress the price of gold, they don't artificially inflate it, because it would compete with their fiat currencies. It matters not who controls the price of gold, it matters who owns it, and, from hundreds of yrs of scepticism, now culturally ingrained, Indians put much of their savings into gold, so are getting rich out of this crisis. You would too if you got your head from your ass and bought a real asset. The elite aren't stupid, that's why they own gold. Run the other direction if you wish, but try to read a map and plot a course, because you could well be running off the edge of a cliff.

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You do realise that the same people that regulate the price of money, art, oil also regulates the price of gold.

Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, government now controls our civil liberties, so we should not claim them back. Government controls our money, so we shouldn't get more via tax cuts. Its total nonsense and disinfo.

Mate, we are the workers, we deserve the fruits of our labor. Gold is the world's best store of value, paper is one of the worst, digital money even worse than that, we should get our savings and gold back. Artificially suppressed prices give us a chance to do that. If you hold gold, your wealth rises in response to government manipulation and failures of government monetary policy, if you hold paper money, you suffer from government incompetence. You decide, be a slave or a free human being. I know which I choose, my life has value god-damit!