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I watched both Zeitgeist movies before AJ’s interview with Mr Joseph and I must say, as a TRUE agnostic myself (someone who thinks that the existence of a god or gods can’t be proven either way), that I had to find myself agreeing with Alex today and during yesterdays interview. I knew what your were trying to do in your films Mr Joseph, as soon as I saw you going on about the Earth Gaia worship – which is just as backwards, if not more, than all the religions you besmirched earlier on in your films.

My own personal belief is that religion is an invention of man and it is highly naive of ANY man to assume that they could possible fathom and understand the concept of some being, consciousness or any other form of higher power that may have created this universe – this also applies to YOU Mr Joseph and the wackos in your nutty Venus project with all their Gaia Earth spirit worship nonsense. These people have a nerve, just like the nutters who worship at Bohemium Grove, to call themselves either agnostics or atheists and they give us true atheists and agnostics bad names! Like AJ says, these people are simply saying that all religions are false – apart from there’s and that’s where they trip up and show their true intensions. You either deny religion altogether (true agnostic / atheist) or you promote some form of it (including Gaia Earth Spirit worship) and you Mr Joseph promote it!

I’m sorry Gaia Earth worshipers, but Alex and his Christians are right! You ARE just trying to replace all religions with your own and that is why I am with AJ and his lot on this. I can tolerate religion and accept people have a right to believe what they want to believe. But if you attack religion merely to replace it with your own, then I can’t accept your deluded self assured position of superiority that you seem to have over anyone who doesn’t accept your form of mythology.

There you go, I’ve said my piece!
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 12:52:03 pm »
I totally agree with you, but is he an atheist or an agnostic or an occultist or something else?  I think to some degree Alex likes to generalize atheists and agnostics as part of the nwo or just anti-religion/christian/other too.   

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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 12:59:24 pm »
I totally agree with you, but is he an atheist or an agnostic or an occultist or something else?  I think to some degree Alex likes to generalize atheists and agnostics as part of the nwo or just anti-religion/christian/other too.   

I think he gets on with Jason Bermis okay and I believe he's an agnostic / atheist. But yes it is easy to generalise - we all do it unconsciously.

My problem with Mr Joseph is he is trying to recruit people to a new religion, by discrediting others, while having the nerve to call himself none-religious. I believe the general term for that is 'hypocrite.'
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 01:07:58 pm »
Then I'd say that he is posing as an atheist, which is somewhat common with the nwo, but it seems like there is something deeper.  It's also the way Alex links atheists to occultist, but that is simply nonsense.  I was actually watching the first zeitgeist a little today to put it all together, and some if it fits.  But why would he go into rfid/war profeteering/federal reserve and actual rockefeller quotes if in his second film that's what he was trying promote (at least stealthily)?

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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 01:14:50 pm »
Mmm more zeigeist controversy, hooray.

More fracture.
More division.
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 01:15:42 pm »
This is something I tend to agree with Peter on... Imagine a world with no Religion? Wouldn't that just be great? Just look at all the conflict and wars that resulted from religion over history.
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 01:17:27 pm »
Then I'd say that he is posing as an atheist, which is somewhat common with the nwo, but it seems like there is something deeper.  It's also the way Alex links atheists to occultist, but that is simply nonsense.  I was actually watching the first zeitgeist a little today to put it all together, and some if it fits.  But why would he go into rfid/war profeteering/federal reserve and actual rockefeller quotes if in his second film that's what he was trying promote (at least stealthily)?

Because he and his socialistic Gia Worshipers want to get rid of money and replace it with their H.G. Wells / Hitler / Stalin / Mao like ‘utopia’ delusional promise that is never kept, where the economy is based on resources and none of us have to work and we can sit on are behinds all day drinking beer and wasting away while the machines do all the work for us – just as long as ‘they’ have to power to rule in their totalitarian ‘utopia’ system and have the power to decide what everyone gets and if they can exist or not.
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 01:19:08 pm »
Mmm more zeigeist controversy, hooray.

More fracture.
More division.
Hate, anger, rage, let it stoke, let it build!

With or without zeitgeist there will be division.

This is something I tend to agree with Peter on... Imagine a world with no Religion? Wouldn't that just be great? Just look at all the conflict and wars that resulted from religion over history.

As an atheist, you'd think that I would agree with that, but I do not, people need religion, but I don't, so what's wrong with that?  Like anything, sometimes people take their beliefs a little far and overlap the views of others, it's just easy to view religion like that since it is blatant.  

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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 01:20:00 pm »
This is something I tend to agree with Peter on... Imagine a world with no Religion? Wouldn't that just be great? Just look at all the conflict and wars that resulted from religion over history.

But he's not getting rid of religion, he's using atheism to get rid of one form of religion and replace it with another (Gaia Earth Spirit Worship).
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 01:20:16 pm »
Because he and his socialistic Gia Worshipers want to get rid of money and replace it with their H.G. Wells / Hitler / Stalin / Mao like ‘utopia’ delusional promise that is never kept, where the economy is based on resources and none of us have to work and we can sit on are behinds all day drinking beer and wasting away while the machines do all the work for us – just as long as ‘they’ have to power to rule in their totalitarian ‘utopia’ system and have the power to decide what everyone gets and if they can exist or not.

Yup you got it, but socialism is already quite rampant in north america today.

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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 01:21:10 pm »
It seems that Peter Joseph is trying to be the voice of those with alternative spiritual views, but he fails miserably.

It's awfully hypocritical for someone to attack any religious belief system when they themselves are convinced that they know what lies beyond. I've dedicated much of my time researching the occult and alternative belief systems as well as mainstream religions, and I find them all fascinating. But at the end of the day, we'll never have the absolute answers, so why even fight with each other?

Just concentrate on developing your own spiritual philosophy, and by all means, share your beliefs and have healthy debate with others, but don't say that if you had it your way that you'd "re-educate" others to follow blindly and share your way of thinking. That's what really astounded me when I watched Addendum.
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 01:23:24 pm »
Yup you got it, but socialism is already quite rampant in north america today.

America! Bah! You should see it in the UK and the rest of Europe!
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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 01:24:36 pm »
It seems that Peter Joseph is trying to be the voice of those with alternative spiritual views, but he fails miserably.

It's awfully hypocritical for someone to attack any religious belief system when they themselves are convinced that they know what lies beyond. I've dedicated much of my time researching the occult and alternative belief systems as well as mainstream religions, and I find them all fascinating. But at the end of the day, we'll never have the absolute answers, so why even fight with each other?

Just concentrate on developing your own spiritual philosophy, and by all means, share your beliefs and have healthy debate with others, but don't say that if you had it your way that you'd "re-educate" others to follow blindly and share your way of thinking. That's what really astounded me when I watched Addendum.

I totally agree with you, well said.

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Re: Peter Joseph and his like give TRUE Athiests and Agnostics a bad name!
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 01:27:26 pm »
It seems that Peter Joseph is trying to be the voice of those with alternative spiritual views, but he fails miserably.

It's awfully hypocritical for someone to attack any religious belief system when they themselves are convinced that they know what lies beyond. I've dedicated much of my time researching the occult and alternative belief systems as well as mainstream religions, and I find them all fascinating. But at the end of the day, we'll never have the absolute answers, so why even fight with each other?

Just concentrate on developing your own spiritual philosophy, and by all means, share your beliefs and have healthy debate with others, but don't say that if you had it your way that you'd "re-educate" others to follow blindly and share your way of thinking. That's what really astounded me when I watched Addendum.
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