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Western troop build-up sows alarm in Pakistan
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKISL28526620080715?sp=true
Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:12pm BST
By Haji Mujtaba

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan (Reuters) - A build up of Western coalition forces on the Afghan border spread alarm on Tuesday among villagers in the Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan, a known stronghold of Taliban and al Qaeda militants.

The deployment will add to a mounting sense of foreboding in Pakistan that U.S. ground troops could be ordered into Pakistan on covert missions or hot pursuit to eliminate militants fuelling an insurgency in Afghanistan that appears stronger than ever.

An intelligence official, who requested anonymity, and villagers said hundreds of coalition troops had been airlifted to a border area opposite the village of Lowara Mandi.

"The movement of troops started last night," the intelligence official said, adding that armoured vehicles and heavy weaponry had been brought in with them.

A villager said he could clearly see the troops.

"They were brought by helicopters. They are at the zero point," Akmal Khan, a resident of Lowara Mandi, told Reuters, referring to the disputed international boundary.

"They haven't moved towards this side."

The deployment is in the vicinity of Camp Tillman, a forward operating base for U.S. forces that has come under regular rocket and mortar attack in the past.

The Pakistani military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said it was probably a routine movement and the media had created "unnecessary hype".

Late last week a Pakistani newspaper, the News, reported large numbers of U.S. troops being moved close to the border between Afghanistan's Khost province and Pakistan's Kurram tribal region just to the northeast of North Waziristan.

A military spokesman at Bagram Air Base north of Kabul said the U.S.-led coalition did not comment on troop movements.

DEADLY FRONTIER

On Sunday, nine U.S. soldiers were killed when Taliban fighters overran their outpost near the border between the eastern Afghan province of Kunar and Bajaur, another militant-infested Pakistani tribal region.

The soldiers had only moved into the outpost days earlier and defences were not fully constructed. Their deaths marked the biggest single American loss in Afghanistan since 2005.

A Taliban spokesman in Bajaur welcomed the build up on the border as a chance to kill more Americans.

"It's a gift that they're coming here on our land and making it easy for us to kill our enemies, the enemies of Muslims," Taliban spokesman, Maulvi Omar, told Reuters.

A series of incidents along the border, including drone aircraft missile attacks and cross-border firing, have fuelled fears in Pakistan that the U.S. military may be moving to a more offensive strategy having hitherto refrained from unleashing ground forces in Pakistani territory.

Western powers have been alarmed both by mounting casualties among troops in Afghanistan and by intelligence assessments that al Qaeda could organise strikes on Western soil having regrouped in tribal areas under Taliban protection.

U.S. operations inside Pakistan would risk turning more fiercely independent tribesmen towards militancy, and undermine Pakistani sovereignty at a time when a new civilian government is trying to assert authority in the turbulent nuclear-armed state.

The new government has sought the help of tribal elders to reach peace deals with militants, but there has been a spike in attacks in Afghanistan while Pakistan has held talks.

The U.S.-led coalition and NATO-led peacekeepers have around 71,000 troops in Afghanistan, 38 percent more than a year ago.

Pakistan has up to 90,000 troops stationed in border areas, and has lost more than 1,000 men fighting the militants since late 2003, yet it is dogged by accusations that it has failed to do enough to stop fighters crossing into Afghanistan.

For its part, Pakistan has said that Western and Afghan forces have failed to properly guard their side of the frontier.

Afghan officials suspect Pakistan has allowed the Taliban to survive in order to re-establish influence in Kabul once Western countries eventually withdraw their troops.

Pakistan denies the allegations, and successive governments have stated their desire to see Afghanistan stabilise.

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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 10:39:30 am »
RAND: Pakistan helped Taliban
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/06/09/afghanistan.pakistan.ap/
updated 11:31 p.m. EDT, Mon June 9, 2008

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Pakistani intelligence agents and paramilitary forces have helped train Taliban insurgents and have given them information about U.S. troop movements in Afghanistan, said a report published by a U.S. think tank.

The study published Monday by the RAND Corp. also warned that the U.S. will face "crippling, long-term consequences" in Afghanistan if Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan are not eliminated.

It echoes recent statements by U.S. generals, who have increased their warnings that militant safe havens in Pakistan are threatening efforts in Afghanistan. The study was funded by the U.S. Defense Department.

"Every successful insurgency in Afghanistan since 1979 enjoyed safe haven in neighboring countries, and the current insurgency is no different," said the report's author, Seth Jones. "Right now, the Taliban and other groups are getting help from individuals within Pakistan's government, and until that ends, the region's long-term security is in jeopardy."

Pakistan's top military spokesman rejected the findings.

The study, "Counterinsurgency in Afghanistan," found some active and former officials in Pakistan's intelligence service and the Frontier Corps -- a Pakistani paramilitary force deployed along the Afghan border -- provided direct assistance to Taliban militants and helped secure medical care for wounded fighters.

It said NATO officials have uncovered several instances of Pakistani intelligence agents providing information to Taliban fighters, even "tipping off Taliban forces about the location and movement of Afghan and coalition forces, which undermined several U.S. and NATO anti-Taliban military operations." No timeframes were given.

The report said Pakistan's intelligence service and other government agencies provided Taliban and other insurgents with training at camps in Pakistan, as well as intelligence, financial assistance and help crossing the border.

When asked in an Associated Press interview last month what the state of the insurgency might be in 2013, the outgoing NATO commander in Afghanistan, U.S. Gen. Dan McNeill, said: "If there are going to be sanctuaries where these terrorists, these extremists, these insurgents can train, can recruit, can regenerate, there's still going to be a challenge there."

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has pleaded with the world community to address the issue of militant sanctuaries in Pakistan. Afghan intelligence officials say young, uneducated males are recruited in the border tribal areas to become suicide bombers and fighters. After battles or attacks in Afghanistan, militants flow back into Pakistan to rest and rearm, officials say.

Pakistan -- which supported the Taliban regime in Afghanistan before the September 11, 2001, attacks -- denied it is supporting the insurgents but acknowledged the problem of militant infiltration.  Watch the new government explain efforts to talk with militants »

"Whenever these kinds of places are identified or pointed out, action is taken against these places and there are umpteen examples in the past where the actions have been taken against these insurgents, or, for that matter, foreigners," said Pakistan military spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas. "Therefore, we reject this claim of sanctuaries being aided by Pakistan's army or intelligence agencies."

Pakistan Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik said Monday that he met with Karzai in the Afghan capital over the weekend, and the two sides agreed to set up biometric screening at key border checkpoints.

Malik said tens of thousands of people cross each day without any documentation.

"They go without any checking -- no passport, no documentation. It's a free-for- all," he told reporters. He said the new computerized system would begin operating within two weeks.

Nevertheless, he defended Pakistan's efforts to police the border, saying the government had deployed 120,000 troops and had set up five times more border posts than there are on the Afghan side.

Malik expressed willingness to share intelligence on extremists and conduct joint operations with Afghan security forces. He denied that Pakistan would strike peace deals with terrorists in order to calm Islamic militancy on its own soil.

Pakistan has insisted it is only pursuing negotiations with militant groups willing to lay down their arms, and it has relied partly on tribal elders to mediate. A handful of deals have already been struck.

U.S. officials say attacks where U.S. troops operate in eastern Afghanistan have gone up significantly since those deals were reached earlier this year.

The study said that besides the Taliban, other major militant groups find sanctuary in Pakistan. These include al Qaeda, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's radical Hezb-i-Islami group and the Haqqani network, led by Jalaluddin Haqqani and his son, Siraj.

"These insurgent groups find refuge in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, North West Frontier Province, and Baluchistan Province," RAND said in a news release. "They regularly ship weapons, ammunition and supplies into Afghanistan from Pakistan, and a number of suicide bombers have come from Afghan refugee camps based in Pakistan."

The report also called on the U.S. and its allies to help build the Afghan security forces, particularly the police, and to improve the quality of local governments, especially in rural regions.

It also claimed that Afghanistan's police are incompetent and "almost uniformly corrupt," echoing frequent criticism of the police by international officials here.

The U.S. is spending billions of dollars to train and equip the Afghan police, but the efforts are still years away from being completed.
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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008, 10:42:49 am »
Afghan Leaders: Pakistan Behind Bloodshed
President Karzai's Government Says Pakistan Spy Agency Is Behind Series Of Taliban Attacks
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/14/world/main4261417.shtml
PESHAWAR, July 14, 2008

(CBS) Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government on Monday directly accused Pakistan's intelligence agency of being behind a recent series of attacks by Taliban militants that has killed scores of people, reports CBS News' Sami Yousafzai.

After a high level meeting with his aides and cabinet members focusing on the country's diminishing law and order, Karzai blamed Pakistan's premier spy agency, the ISI, and the Pakistani army for the increasing instability in Afghanistan.

A statement from the cabinet sent to CBS News said Afghan leaders had done their best during the last six-and-a-half years to stay away from a war of words with Pakistan and maintain a friendly relationship with its neighbor. But, according to the statement, the ISA and Pakistan's army have continued to interfere in Afghanistan's internal affairs.

The press release said Afghanistan had suffered tremendous losses due to the intrusion of Pakistani spies.

"Every day, in each and every corner of the country, our children, women, Ulema (clerics), teachers and workers from the international community have been killed by the plots of the ISI agency," the release said. "Our schools and hospitals are being torched."

The statement, provided to CBS News by the cabinet secretary, claimed the people of Afghanistan and "the international community" were now sure that Pakistan has "not only become a safe haven for terrorists but it also exports terrorism."

"We supported the recent elections in Pakistan with the hope that the new government would watch the activities of the ISI and would take practical steps in stop ISI from interfering in the internal dealings of Afghanistan," the statement said.

It went on to claim that, far from stopping the alleged interference, the ISI's "attacks on our citizens, on the workers of the international community in our country, and on our soldiers" have actually increased under the new leadership.

The cabinet implicated Pakistan's spy agency in a string of recent attacks, including the Kandahar jailbreak, the beheading of Afghans in the Bajaur and Waziristan provinces of Pakistan, a recent suicide blast in Uruzghan province and the deadly bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul.

Karzai's ministers warned that unless Pakistan's leaders verifiably reign-in the spy agency, upcoming talks scheduled between the two countries on assistance along the border region and economic cooperation will be postponed.

Afghan political analyst Ahmad Saad Saedi, who served recently as a diplomat in Pakistan, told Yousafzai that Karzai should take a clear stand on Pakistan's interference in Afghanistan's domestic affairs.

"Pakistan plays the role of an arrogant and self-serving regional power and believes strongly that Afghanistan would harm Pakistan, which is why it does not want peace in Afghanistan," Saedi added.

Saedi urged the U.S. to pressure Pakistan to stop inciting violence in Afghanistan.

In a sign of the rapidly rising tension between the two countries, a couple Afghan ministers have suggested withdrawing the country's ambassador to Islamabad temporarily as a sign of protest, according to a source inside Karzai's administration.

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008, 10:54:19 am »
Coalition troops mass at border
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24033133-25837,00.html
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | July 17, 2008

NATO said last night it had abandoned an Afghan outpost only two days after it was stormed by militants who killed nine US soldiers in one of the deadliest attacks since the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001.

News of the pull-out from the position in Wanat village in northeastern Kunar province came as hundreds of US and coalition troops massed along the nearby border with Pakistan yesterday, amid reports of an imminent attack against al-Qa'ida and Taliban bases in the area.

Afghan officials said the US troops withdrew from the Wanat outpost on Tuesday, two days after Taliban militants breached the position in one of the deadliest attack involving international forces since 2001.

NATO spokesman Mark Laity said the International Security Assistance Force would maintain patrols in the area, which Afghan officials said was now under the control of the Taliban.

On the border, thousands of tribal families, fearful that the arrival of the coalition forces could be the start of a full-scale assault on militants based inside Pakistani territory, were said by officials to be fleeing their homes.

Rounds of mortar fire from the Afghan side of the Durand Line frontier were reported to be hitting the Pakistani town of Angoor Adda, but they were not believed to be from the coalition force mobilising near the border.

While officials in Islamabad insisted they knew of no unusual coalition troop movements on the Afghan side of the border, other well-placed sources said a red alert had been issued to Pakistan army commanders in the area to repel cross-border incursions.

At the same time, published reports said the Pakistan air force had been ordered to attack any aircraft violating the country's airspace.

A senior military official was quoted as saying: "Responsible departments of national security have made it clear to the ISAF (the US-led coalition force in Afghanistan) that they will give a befitting response to any border and air violation."

The official added: "Pakistan will never allow foreign interference in our territory, or for our sovereignty to be violated. Such incidents are infuriating not only to the security forces but also the Pakistani people." However, a spokesman for coalition forces in Afghanistan insisted yesterday there was no question of troops violating the border and entering Pakistan. "Our mandate stops at the border," said Captain Mike Finney.

Reports of the troop build-up has caused fury among local tribal leaders.

Malik Mohammad Afzal Khan Darpakhel, a local leader in the militant-infested tribal area of North Waziristan, was quoted as saying: "We want to warn them that three million tribesmen will rise against them if they try to move in."

The deployment followed a fierce denunciation of Pakistan on Monday by Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai who accused Islamabad and its top spy agency the ISI of being "the world's biggest producers of terrorism and extremism".

The Pakistani Foreign Ministry retaliated by accusing Kabul of creating "an artificial crisis to satisfy short-term political expediencies".

India, too, has rounded on Islamabad, accusing the ISI of responsibility for the suicide-bombing of its embassy in Kabul last week in which 58 people died and hundreds were wounded.

Western commanders say there has been a marked increase in cross-border infiltration in the past few months, fuelling the insurgency in Afghanistan. NATO troops have clashed with Pakistani units along the South Waziristan border.

Intelligence sources, backed by accounts from tribesmen, said yesterday that hundreds of heavily armed coalition troops had deployed just across the border from the Pakistani village of Lwara Mundi in North Waziristan. The village is reported to be a hotbed of jihadi militant activity.

Haji Yaqub, a resident of the nearby border town of Ghulam Khan, told reporters: "They have started setting up bunkers very close to the border while helicopter gunships are continuously hovering over the border."
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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 11:08:14 am »
Afghan NATO force hits targets inside Pakistan
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSISL14625920080716
Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:16am EDT

KABUL (Reuters) - NATO forces in Afghanistan attacked targets inside Pakistan with artillery and attack helicopters after coming under rocket fire from across the border, the alliance said on Wednesday.

Tension is high along the border with a sharp rise in attacks in eastern Afghanistan coming from inside Pakistan that Afghan and NATO officials blame on de-facto ceasefires between the Pakistani military and militants in its lawless tribal belt.

ISAF forces "received multiple rocket attacks from militants inside Pakistan, July 15," the force said in a statement.

"The troops identified a (compound) as the point of origin of the attacks and responded in self-defence with a combination of fires from attack helicopters and artillery into Pakistan."

It was not clear when ISAF troops launched the strikes and spokesmen for the force were not immediately available for comment. Most ISAF troops in eastern Afghanistan are American. ISAF and the Pakistani military "coordinated their operation closely from the outset. The Pakistani military agreed to assist and search the area if the border firing continued".
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 11:45:14 am »
Pak behind bombing on Indian embassy: Afghan prez
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/pak-behind-bombing-on-indian-embassy-afghan-prez/68966-2.html
Published on Wed, Jul 16, 2008

Kabul: Afghan President Hamid Karzai claims that Pakistani agents were behind the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul. Even US president George Bush has promised to look into these allegations.


Afghan president Hamid Karzai had earlier said, " We know who martyred the people of Deh Rowoud and we know who martyred the people in Kabul (referring to Taliban attack on Indian embassy) Now this has become clear."


"We have told the government of Pakistan that the killings of people in Afghanistan, the destruction of bridges in Afghanistan are carried out by Pakistan's intelligence and Pakistan's military departments," he added.


Strong allegations and claims made by the Afghan president haven't been ignored even by Pakistan's long term ally the US President George Bush has promised to investigate.


''First of all, we will investigate his charge and we will work with his service to get to the bottom of his allegation,'' said president Bush.


''Some extremists are coming out of parts of Pakistan into Afghanistan, and that is troubling to us, it's troubling to Afghanistan, and it should be troubling to Pakistan,'' he added.


The concern is being reflected in the US election campaign too with Democrat presidential nominee Barak Obama calling Pakistan's tribal areas a 'terrorist sanctuary', but Pakistani leaders continue to claim innocence.


Nawaz Sharif: "I think Pakistan is very sincere in its desire to have good relations with India. And our coalition, with People's Party with Asif Zardari, are pursuing this path," said Pakistan Muslim League leader Nawaz Sharif.


When asked if he thought the allegations made by the Afghanistan government on this bombing are baseless, Sharif replied, "It appears so."


In the face of the bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul, Sharif says he is committed to having good relation with India but the situation on the ground in Afghanistan maybe different.


Independent groups have been warning that Indians are increasingly being targeted - partly because of Indias' popularity in Afghanistan. And its clear New Delhi will have to ramp up its security infrastructure there at the earliest.
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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 12:00:55 pm »
Obama: If Pak won't act, we will strike
http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=11595   
7/16/2008 9:17:43 PM
 
If the recent attacks by hardliners in Islamabad weren't trouble enough for Pakistan - here comes a new threat, this time from White House hopeful Barack Obama. On Tuesday (July 15) the US presidential candidate Obama made it clear that he will not hesitate to launch attacks on Pakistani soil in order to curb terrorism.

"As President, I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be. This  is a war that we have to win. I will send at least two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan, and use this commitment to seek greater contributions - with fewer restrictions - from NATO allies", the democratic presidential candidate said. He also added,"We must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like (Osama) bin Laden if we have them in our sights.''

A blueprint of a new US foreign policy was made very clear by Obama, the man who could soon be calling the shots in Washington. His speech made U.S threat to strike right inside Pakistan clear indicating that a terrorist sanctuary would not be tolerated.

But this is not the first time that Obama has attacked Pakistan. In August 2007, Barack Obama had said that he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government and added, "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will" .

Earlier, President Bush had agreed to investigate a likely Pak hand in the Kabul blasts -  and now Obama's remarks will only add to the growing distance between Islamabad and its old allies. At the same time - it will also increase the criticism from hardliners who have constantly accused the government  of bending backwards to please the United States.

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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 12:52:19 pm »
Is the US Preparing To Attack Pakistan?
http://www.daily.pk/world/worldnews/84-worldnews/5714-is-the-us-preparing-to-attack-pakistan.html
Wednesday, 16 July 2008 02:12 www.daily.pk
   
The Bush Administration may be preparing to lash out at old ally Pakistan, which Washington now blames for its humiliating failures to crush al-Qaida, capture its elusive leaders, or defeat Taliban resistance forces in Afghanistan.

One is immediately reminded of the Vietnam War when the Pentagon, unable to defeat North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong forces, urged invasion of Cambodia.

Sources in Washington say the Pentagon is drawing up plans to attack Pakistan’s "autonomous" tribal region bordering Afghanistan. Limited "hot pursuit" ground incursions by US forces based in Afghanistan, intensive air attacks, and special forces raids into Pakistan’s autonomous tribal region are being evaluated.

This weekend, the US national intelligence chief and other intelligence spokesmen confirmed that strikes against "terrorist targets" in Pakistan’s tribal belt are increasingly possible. These warnings were designed to both further pressure Pakistan, and to prepare US public opinion for a possible widening of the Afghanistan war into Pakistan.

Pakistan’s 27,200 sq km tribal belt, officially known as the Federal Autonomous Tribal Area, or FATA, is home to 3.3 million Pashtun tribesmen. It has become a safe haven for al-Qaida, Taliban, other Afghan resistance groups, and a hotbed of anti-American activity, thanks mostly to the US-led occupation of Afghanistan which drove many militants across the border into Pakistan. Osama bin Laden is very likely sheltered in this region, as US intelligence claims.

I spent a remarkable time in this wild, medieval region during the 1980’s and 90’s, traveling alone where even Pakistani government officials dared not go, visiting the tribes of Waziristan, Orakzai, Khyber, Chitral, and Kurram, and meeting their chiefs, called "maliks."

These tribal belts are always referred to as "lawless." Pashtun tribesmen could shoot you if they didn’t like your looks. Rudyard Kipling warned British Imperial soldiers over a century ago, when fighting cruel, ferocious Pashtun warriors of the Afridi clan, if they fell wounded, "save your last bullet for yourself."

But there is law: the traditional Pashtun tribal code, Pashtunwali, that strictly governs behavior and personal honor. Protecting guests was sacred. I was captivated by this majestic mountain region and wrote of it extensively in my book, "War at the Top of the World."

The 40 million Pashtun – called "Pathan" by the British – are the world’s largest tribal group. Imperial Britain divided them by an artificial border, the Durand Line, which went on to become, like so many other British colonial boundaries, today’s Afghanistan-Pakistan border. When Pakistan was created in 1947, the Pashtun were split between that new nation and Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s Pashtun number 28–30 million, plus an additional 2.5 million refugees from Afghanistan. Pashtuns, one of the British Indian Army’s famed "martial races," occupy many senior positions in Pakistan’s military, intelligence service and bureaucracy, and naturally have much sympathy for their embattled tribal cousins in Afghanistan. The 15 million Pashtun of Afghanistan form that nation’s largest ethnic group and just under half the population.

The anti-Communist Taliban movement is part of the Pashtun people. Taliban fighters move across the artificial Pakistan-Afghanistan border, to borrow a Maoism, like fish through the sea. Osama bin Laden is a hero in the region, and likely shelters there.

The US just increased its reward for bin Laden to $50 million and plans to shower $750 million on the tribal region in an effort to buy loyalty. Bush/Cheney & Co. do not understand that while they can rent government in Islamabad, many Pashtun value personal honor far more than money, and cannot be bought. That is likely why bin Laden has not yet been betrayed.

Any US attack on Pakistan would be a catastrophic mistake. First, air and ground assaults will succeed only in widening the anti-US war and merging it with Afghanistan’s resistance to western occupation. US forces are already too over-stretched to get involved in yet another little war.

Second, Pakistan’s army officers who refuse to be bought may resist a US attack on their homeland. A US attack would sharply raise the threat of anti-US extremists seizing control of strategic Pakistan and marginalize those seeking return to democratic government.

Third, a US attack on the tribal areas could re-ignite the old irredentist movement to reunite Pashtun parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan into an independent state, "Pashtunistan.

The US military has grown used to attacking small, weak nations like Grenada, Panama, and Iraq. Pakistan, with 163 million people, and a poorly equipped but very tough 550,000-man army, will offer no easy victories. Those Bush Administration officials who foolishly advocate attacking Pakistan are playing with fire. Eric Margolis
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 09:14:38 am »
US troops poised to cross Afghan border for raid on bases
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m45766&hd=&size=1&l=e

Islamabad, July 16, 2008

US troops in Afghanistan massed close to the border yesterday for a possible attack on al-Qaeda and Taleban bases in the lawless North Waziristan tribal belt in Pakistan.

Reports from the area said that hundreds of Nato troops were airlifted across the mountains from the village of Lowara Mandi, which has been an important base for cross-border attacks in Afghanistan. Heavy artillery and armoured vehicles were also being moved into position.

The deployment followed a claim by the Afghan Government on Monday that the Pakistani Army and its spy agency had become "the world's biggest producers of terrorism and extremism". The Pakistani Foreign Ministry accused Kabul of creating an "artificial crisis to satisfy short-term political expediencies".

President Bush said yesterday that the US would investigate the Afghan claims to "get to the bottom of the allegation". He said that he was troubled by the movement of extremists from Pakistan into Afghanistan.

"I certainly hope that the [Pakistani] Government understands the dangers of extremists moving in their country," Mr Bush said.Tensions have been heightened since the deaths of nine soldiers on Sunday when insurgents overran a US base in Kunar province, close to the Pakistani border.

Western commanders say there has been a marked increase in cross-border infiltration in the past few months, fuelling the insurgency in Afghanistan. Nato troops have clashed with Pakistani units along the South Waziristan border.

US Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, made an announced visit to Islamabad at the weekend and held a series of meetings with Pakistan's top civil and military leadership.

According to well-placed sources, Admiral Mullen warned Pakistan that the US could take unilateral military action if the cross-border attacks in Afghanistan were not stopped. The US official said that some elements within Pakistani security agencies could be helping the insurgents operate from their bases in the border region.

An influential Pakistani army official said there were strong indications that the US was ready to launch bombing raids against suspected al-Qaeda and Taleban camps inside Pakistan.

The official said that any unilateral American military action could have serious repercussions and create difficulties for Pakistani counter-terrorism efforts.

Washington is concerned by the new Government's move to strike peace deals with militant groups, pacts that American critics say will simply give insurgents time to regroup and gain strength.

Analysts say that the failure of the new coalition Government led by the Pakistan People's Party to formulate a clear counter-insurgency policy has affected the military's efforts to curb cross-border infiltration and the rising influence of militants in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province.
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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 09:48:42 am »
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 12:08:05 pm »
Very good Posts

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My Guess is that the US is waiting for Musharaf to step down
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2008, 02:02:44 pm »
US troops poised to cross Afghan border for raid on bases

By Zahid Hussain in Islamabad .
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4340239.ece

16/07/08 "The Times" -- - US troops in Afghanistan massed close to the border yesterday for a possible attack on al-Qaeda and Taleban bases in the lawless North Waziristan tribal belt in Pakistan.

Reports from the area said that hundreds of Nato troops were airlifted across the mountains from the village of Lowara Mandi, which has been an important base for cross-border attacks in Afghanistan. Heavy artillery and armoured vehicles were also being moved into position.

The deployment followed a claim by the Afghan Government on Monday that the Pakistani Army and its spy agency had become “the world's biggest producers of terrorism and extremism”. The Pakistani Foreign Ministry accused Kabul of creating an “artificial crisis to satisfy short-term political expediencies”.

President Bush said yesterday that the US would investigate the Afghan claims to “get to the bottom of the allegation”. He said that he was troubled by the movement of extremists from Pakistan into Afghanistan.

“I certainly hope that the [Pakistani] Government understands the dangers of extremists moving in their country,” Mr Bush said.Tensions have been heightened since the deaths of nine soldiers on Sunday when insurgents overran a US base in Kunar province, close to the Pakistani border.

Western commanders say there has been a marked increase in cross-border infiltration in the past few months, fuelling the insurgency in Afghanistan. Nato troops have clashed with Pakistani units along the South Waziristan border.

US Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, made an announced visit to Islamabad at the weekend and held a series of meetings with Pakistan's top civil and military leadership.

According to well-placed sources, Admiral Mullen warned Pakistan that the US could take unilateral military action if the cross-border attacks in Afghanistan were not stopped. The US official said that some elements within Pakistani security agencies could be helping the insurgents operate from their bases in the border region.

An influential Pakistani army official said there were strong indications that the US was ready to launch bombing raids against suspected al-Qaeda and Taleban camps inside Pakistan.

The official said that any unilateral American military action could have serious repercussions and create difficulties for Pakistani counter-terrorism efforts.

Washington is concerned by the new Government's move to strike peace deals with militant groups, pacts that American critics say will simply give insurgents time to regroup and gain strength.

Analysts say that the failure of the new coalition Government led by the Pakistan People's Party to formulate a clear counter-insurgency policy has affected the military's efforts to curb cross-border infiltration and the rising influence of militants in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province.

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 02:20:59 pm »
There has been a lot of news in the last couple days on invading, attacking and accusing Pakistan. I'm seeing a lot of similarities with what's going on with Iran.

Accusations

Covert Ops... to name a couple.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2008, 10:13:27 pm »
Pakistan has nukes and Iran does not,these insane fools cant wait to go with nukes,they are pure insane.

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2008, 11:03:07 pm »
Excellent round up, Route24!

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2008, 12:20:49 am »
Here's a blast from the past! Very first paragraph too.

Obama Delivers Bold Speech About War on Terror
Presidential Candidate Pushes Aggressive Stance Toward Pakistan

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3434573&page=1
By JAKE TAPPER
Aug. 1, 2007

In a strikingly bold speech about terrorism Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama called not only for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, but a redeployment of troops into Afghanistan and even Pakistan — with or without the permission of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf.

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2008, 06:10:45 am »
Here we go again.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2008, 07:00:29 am »
Robert Gates warns of unilateral strikes

7/18/08
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C07%5C18%5Cstory_18-7-2008_pg1_5

LAHORE: The United States has warned that it can conduct unilateral strikes inside Pakistan if it [Pakistan] does not take measures to stop Taliban activities, Aaj TV reported on Thursday. According to the channel, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said that action in the Pak-Afghan border area was direly needed to mount pressure on the Taliban. He said it would be better if Pakistan exerted more pressure to check militant activities. daily times monitor


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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2008, 07:04:03 am »
Pakistan, US at odds over border bombing

Pakistan, US at odds over border bombing that killed 11 Pakistani troops

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http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=256197

Jul 17, 2008 10:08 EST

U.S. and Pakistani investigators have reached "separate" conclusions about why warplanes killed 11 Pakistani troops at an outpost near the Afghan border, the Pakistan army said Thursday.

The June incident has put a heavy strain on cross-border military relations just as NATO commanders in Afghanistan are calling for greater cooperation to combat resurgent Taliban militants.

U.S. officials have said aircraft dropped more than a dozen bombs during a clash with militants near the border post in Pakistan's Mohmand region. Though they expressed regret over the incident, they have said the action was justified.

But Pakistan army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said a joint investigation set up to try to ease tensions had failed to produce an agreement on what happened.

"We have our separate findings. The findings are different," Abbas told The Associated Press.

Abbas declined to give details of the findings because they remain confidential, although he said the bombing could not be justified as self-defense.

"In our investigation, there was no act of offense from this side," Abbas said.

The paramilitary Frontier Corps troops manning the border post "never fired a shot on the other side and it was taken by complete surprise when a number of strikes came on their post," he said.

Abbas also disputed a newspaper report that U.S. military planners did not have the coordinates of the base. He said the coordinates of all the posts on the Pakistani side of the border had been shared with the U.S.-led coalition force in Afghanistan at least three times since 2003.

"Even marked maps were handed over to coalition forces at one stage, indicating the location of our posts," he said.

The New York Times, quoting unidentified American officials, reported on Wednesday that the exact location of the base was not in a database used to prevent so-called friendly fire incidents.

Capt. Christian Patterson, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, said Thursday the incident was still under investigation.

Abbas said the incident had heightened awareness on both sides to improve coordination and communications between troops on either side of the mountainous frontier.

He said the two sides had "generally agreed" on recommendations to address those problems and avert any repeat. Details would be released jointly at a later date, he said.

NATO and the U.S. military contend that Pakistan is not putting enough pressure on militants, giving Taliban and al-Qaida fighters more leeway to launch attacks on their forces across the border in Afghanistan.

Pakistan's army meanwhile said troops backed by helicopter gunships forced insurgents out of a northwestern town where Taliban militants last week killed 16 soldiers.

Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said Pakistan forces evicted militants from Zargari and were advancing to other nearby areas Thursday.

He gave no details about casualties.

Supporters of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud ambushed a convoy of Frontier Corps near Zargari Saturday, killing 16 troops. Five militants also died in the clash, which came days after police arrested one of Mehsud's deputies.

Mehsud's spokesman on Thursday demanded the provincial government quit within five days because of military operations in the region.

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2008, 07:07:18 am »
Coalition troops mass at border

 Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | July 17, 2008

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24033133-2703,00.html


NATO said last night it had abandoned an Afghan outpost only two days after it was stormed by militants who killed nine US soldiers in one of the deadliest attacks since the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001.

News of the pull-out from the position in Wanat village in northeastern Kunar province came as hundreds of US and coalition troops massed along the nearby border with Pakistan yesterday, amid reports of an imminent attack against al-Qa'ida and Taliban bases in the area.

Afghan officials said the US troops withdrew from the Wanat outpost on Tuesday, two days after Taliban militants breached the position in one of the deadliest attack involving international forces since 2001.

NATO spokesman Mark Laity said the International Security Assistance Force would maintain patrols in the area, which Afghan officials said was now under the control of the Taliban.

On the border, thousands of tribal families, fearful that the arrival of the coalition forces could be the start of a full-scale assault on militants based inside Pakistani territory, were said by officials to be fleeing their homes.

Rounds of mortar fire from the Afghan side of the Durand Line frontier were reported to be hitting the Pakistani town of Angoor Adda, but they were not believed to be from the coalition force mobilising near the border.

While officials in Islamabad insisted they knew of no unusual coalition troop movements on the Afghan side of the border, other well-placed sources said a red alert had been issued to Pakistan army commanders in the area to repel cross-border incursions.

At the same time, published reports said the Pakistan air force had been ordered to attack any aircraft violating the country's airspace.

A senior military official was quoted as saying: "Responsible departments of national security have made it clear to the ISAF (the US-led coalition force in Afghanistan) that they will give a befitting response to any border and air violation."

The official added: "Pakistan will never allow foreign interference in our territory, or for our sovereignty to be violated. Such incidents are infuriating not only to the security forces but also the Pakistani people." However, a spokesman for coalition forces in Afghanistan insisted yesterday there was no question of troops violating the border and entering Pakistan. "Our mandate stops at the border," said Captain Mike Finney.

Reports of the troop build-up has caused fury among local tribal leaders.

Malik Mohammad Afzal Khan Darpakhel, a local leader in the militant-infested tribal area of North Waziristan, was quoted as saying: "We want to warn them that three million tribesmen will rise against them if they try to move in."

The deployment followed a fierce denunciation of Pakistan on Monday by Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai who accused Islamabad and its top spy agency the ISI of being "the world's biggest producers of terrorism and extremism".

The Pakistani Foreign Ministry retaliated by accusing Kabul of creating "an artificial crisis to satisfy short-term political expediencies".

India, too, has rounded on Islamabad, accusing the ISI of responsibility for the suicide-bombing of its embassy in Kabul last week in which 58 people died and hundreds were wounded.

Western commanders say there has been a marked increase in cross-border infiltration in the past few months, fuelling the insurgency in Afghanistan. NATO troops have clashed with Pakistani units along the South Waziristan border.

Intelligence sources, backed by accounts from tribesmen, said yesterday that hundreds of heavily armed coalition troops had deployed just across the border from the Pakistani village of Lwara Mundi in North Waziristan. The village is reported to be a hotbed of jihadi militant activity.

Haji Yaqub, a resident of the nearby border town of Ghulam Khan, told reporters: "They have started setting up bunkers very close to the border while helicopter gunships are continuously hovering over the border."

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 07:18:33 am »
So, if I get this right, the US is angry at Pakistan for not fighting hard enough against the same groups the US is funding to attack Iran with?

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2008, 07:29:45 am »
Friday 18th July, 2008

US to triple aid to Pakistan   

Big News Network.com     Wednesday 16th July, 2008

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US non-military aid to Pakistan could be tripled to $7.5 billion over five years if the US Congress clears a bill.

Joseph Robinette Biden, chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, introduced the bill on Tuesday, proposing US$1.5 billion annually for five years for developmental activities like building schools, roads and health clinics.

The bill, if passed, will also advocate an additional $7.5 billion over the subsequent five years.

Biden said the bill was meant to demonstrate that the US was not a fair-weather ally but an all-weather friend of Pakistan.

At the same time, the bill will put conditions on future military aid to ensure Pakistani military forces don’t interfere with the political or judicial process of Pakistan.

The bill will also state Pakistan must make concerted efforts to prevent terrorists from operating inside the country, and to prevent the Taliban from using its territory.

The military aid conditions incorporate long-standing US demands for increased Pakistani cooperation against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.


 
 

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2008, 09:17:53 am »
Provocations by Pakistan in Afghanistan are Real: Former Afghan Foreign Minister
http://news.trendaz.com/index.shtml?show=news&newsid=1250262&lang=EN
18.07.08 14:23

Azerbaijan, Baku, 17 July / corr Trend News G.Ahmadova / The criticism by the Afghan authorities of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI) of Pakistan for violating the security of Afghanistan is rightly placed, Abdullah Abdullah, former Foreign Minister of Afghanistan, told Trend News.

“The ISI of Pakistan is involved in provocations in Afghanistan,” President of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, stated on 15 July. He said that talks between Kabul and Islamabad will be ceased, unless the Pakistani ISI stops violating security of Afghanistan, BBC reported.

The Cabinet of Ministers of Afghanistan announced on the cessation of political and economic relations with Pakistan, according to BBC.

“Despite all the efforts by the afghan side throughout the time ISI has not given up the idea of having a puppet regime in Afghanistan so they continued to support Taliban while officially denying it,” Abdullah wrote via e-mail from Kabul.

According to Abdullah, for a long time the international community ignored the fact that ISI plan was not only harmful for Afghanistan but also for the  stability of Pakistan, at the moment everybody is sure about what is going on.

“About relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan while every pressure has to be applied to stop ISI misadventures in the region the dialog with the government of Pakistan should continue, putting on hold bilateral and multilateral meetings will be harmful to both sides,” Abdullah said.

Pakistan has a responsibility to stop activities of groups which are aiming to destabilize Afghanistan and are also a danger to normalcy in Pakistan. “The first step in this respect would to stop ISI support for such groups,” he stressed.

It cannot be acceptable for Afghanistan that these groups continue to destabilize Afghanistan while enjoying support and official immunity in Pakistan and they have not hidden their agenda and have declared jihad against Afghanistan, Abdullah said.

“Taliban at this stage using the truce as an opportunity against us and when time comes will turn  against the elected government of Pakistan, failing to understand this or ignoring it  will be a fatal mistake for Pakistan and will endanger prospect of peace and stability in the whole region,” former foreign minister said.

According to BBC, the Pakistani Premier Yusif Rza Gilani condemned the accusations for the Afghan President of the violation of national security by Islamabad and rebuffed them.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2008, 09:23:42 am »
Good afternoon, i was just wondering if Venezuela was still a target , a sea of crude oil, very close, easy to ship, a "coup" is still possible while we are looking at the middle east and Pakistan.You never know with those crazy crazies.
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2008, 09:24:37 am »
US attack on Pakistani tribal region will trigger anti-America sentiments
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=598957
Posted: 2008/07/18
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Pakistani media quoted tribesmen as saying that they have seen movement of NATO troops across the Pak-Afghan border.

Any US attack on Pakistan tribal region will trigger more anti-America sentiments in the region and the US cannot afford to indulge itself in another controversy as it has not yet succeeded in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Pakistani media quoted tribesmen as saying that they have seen movement of NATO troops across the Pak-Afghan border.

However, NATO spokesman James Appathurai, denied any unusual military activity in that region.

NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) was not gathering at the border but we have permission to shoot into Pakistan if fired upon, he said.

Officials in Islamabad have said that Pakistan is not willing to support any such unilateral action by allied forces and an unauthorized attack on any Pakistani territory would be treated as an invasion.

Admiral Michael Mullen, US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in his recent visit to Pakistan said Pakistan needs to do more to stop the unimpeded flow of Taliban and other fighters into Afghanistan from safe havens in Pakistan.

He said that there is a real need to do something on the Pakistani side of the border to put pressure to bear the Taliban and some of these other violent groups.

Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in Pakistan are bordered by Afghanistan and mainly Pashtun tribes that inhabit in the area are independent.

During the Afghan war period the area was used to be a training center for the Mujahideen.

Movement of men and material across the international border between Pakistan and Afghanistan was unregulated and several aspects of the FATA's culture have been influenced, and in some cases the traditions of tribal people were affected by the more conservative interpretation of Islam.

Public perception is as important as combating operations.

The differing approaches towards the FATA militants taken by Islamabad and Washington do not bode well for the future of their crucial military alliance.

In case of attack the government of Pakistan will have to face a strong reaction from its public who has always been against the United States polices about Pakistan.

The people of Pakistan are not considering the war against terrorism as their war.

Tanvir Ahmed Khan, former foreign secretary, talking to Pakistani media has said that the possibility of surgical strike always exists and the US may possibly resort to commando raids or air strikes.

He added that US cannot sustain their action in view of terrain and configurations of population.

Tariq Fatmi, former diplomat said that the situation in the area is alarming and rapidly deteriorating.

Allied forces have, so far, failed to stop Taliban infiltrations into Afghanistan, then how it will be possible for Pakistan to seize hundreds of kilometers long border with Afghanistan.

However, war in FATA will further deteriorate situation and would create more problem in the region. --IRNA
 
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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2008, 06:05:49 pm »
Attack On Pakistan Nears
US Embassy Closes Peshawar Consulate

http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/37-politicalnews/5777-attack-on-pakistan-nears-us-embassy-closes-peshawar-consulate.html
Friday, 18 July 2008 00:00 www.daily.pk   

The embassy of the United States in Pakistan has decided to shut down its consulate in Peshawar between 25 July and October 15, 2008, and advised U.S. nationals in Peshawar to exercise caution.

No reason was give for this move, which coincides with mounting reports in the U.S. media of an impending military attack on Pakistan’s western region.

The Pakistani military has dismissed eyewitness reports of unusual U.S. and Afghan military deployment near Pakistan’s borders across the tribal region.

The U.S. embassy announced the decision on its Web site.

In a ‘Warden Notice 11/2008’, dated 17 July, the embassy said:

“This Warden Message is to alert American citizens that the Consular Section at the U.S. Consulate in Peshawar will limit services to the public to emergency cases only from July 25 to October 15, 2008 . Americans who require routine services such as applying for passports may contact Embassy Islamabad during this period for assistance at (92-51) 208-0000. As per our long-standing guidance, we would like to remind the American citizen community of the need to stay alert, to be aware of your surroundings, to reduce travel to a minimum, and to act self-defensively at all times. American citizens should vary their routes and times, avoid areas where Westerners are known to congregate, and maintain a low profile. Threats, protests, and demonstrations may occur throughout Pakistan without prior notice or warning and on occasion have turned violent, or have been the target of violence. We therefore recommend that American citizens always avoid all demonstrations, protests, and large gatherings.”

It is a standard practice for all U.S. embassies to issue such alerts to U.S. citizens. However, the alert is always linked to anticipated events. The only anticipated event in Peshawar and its surroundings is a U.S.-led invasion of Pakistani territories. The declared purpose is to neutralize support for attacks by the Afghan resistance groups on U.S. occupation forces in their country and against the puppet regime of Hamid Karzai.

The Afghans and their Indian intelligence trainers and advisers in Kabul are also hoping this attack, if it happens, would give them a golden opportunity to intensify their game plan: The eventual breaking up of the NWFP and the northern areas from Pakistan in the name of ethnicity and in retaliation for atrocities suffered by the Pashtun tribes in the war on terror. The blame for this suffering has also being laid at the door of Pakistan through a carefully planned propaganda campaign using military psy-ops techniques. Pakistan will end up alienating our brave Pashtun Pakistanis despite the enormous killings committed by U.S. and Karzai soldiers against mostly Pashtun Afghans in the past six years in Afghanistan.

Our American friends are not innocent bystanders either. The chaos will provide more ammunition to U.S. ‘concerns’ that Pakistani nukes could fall into the wrong hands. The mess will also weaken Islamabad’s hold on Balochistan, where terrorists are actively armed, financed and guided by those who control today’s Afghanistan.

The silence of the Pakistani government is mind boggling. It only means that Washington has conveyed to this government that any operation will be limited and ‘surgical’ and will not lead to trouble.

Unfortunately, even within our intelligentsia, we have a large number of people who are good intentioned but definitely with small hearts and defeatist mindsets. They are still not ready to understand that this is the time for Pakistan to show some toughness and renegotiate with the U.S. government. Instead of getting defensive, Islamabad needs to demand a quid pro quo in Afghanistan, where India has much more advantage and almost all the senior Afghan security officials are Indian trained. Pakistan can ask the United States for changing the rules of the game in Afghanistan and stopping the conspiracies that target Gwadar, Balochistan, NWFP and China from the Afghan territories.

It is amazing that when the U.S. is on the retreat diplomatically and militarily in the entire region, we are still unable to handle U.S. bully tactics. Washington has just proposed sending U.S. diplomats to Iran in a major concession to Tehran. Israel had to grudgingly negotiate with Hezbollah State-to-State and release its prisoners, and U.S. army in Afghanistan withdrew from an area where the Afghan resistance killed 9 U.S. soldiers last week. Does this look like a bully to you?

Why is it that the U.S. is retreating on all these fronts but is bullying Pakistan endlessly without even a whimper from Islamabad? Ahmed Quraishi
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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2008, 06:35:31 pm »
US attack imminent, says Sherpao
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C07%5C13%5Cstory_13-7-2008_pg1_8
By Iqbal Khattak, Sunday, July 13, 2008

PESHAWAR: Former interior minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao on Saturday sounded “serious” threats to the country’s sovereignty and integrity, saying that the United States could attack Pakistan any time soon.

“There is an imminent danger of [a] US attack on Pakistan,” Sherpao told reporters at his residence.

His comments came two days after NATO attacked a Pakistani outpost on the Afghan border in South Waziristan. “The government should immediately call a joint session of parliament to discuss the situation and evolve a national consensus,” the former minister said. “The country’s security is apolitical issue and we must all be concerned about it,” he added.

He however said it was difficult to say the US would land boots in the Tribal Areas or continue with airstrikes to target what Washington terms militants. “We don’t know this ... they may be Iraq-like mercenaries.”

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2008, 06:49:50 pm »
US criticizes Pakistan war on terror
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=64112&sectionid=351020401
Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:33:58
 
 
The US says Pakistan has not done enough to contain militancy as terrorists operating from 'safe havens' in tribal areas have grown 'bolder'.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen said foreign fighters from the Pakistani side are moving into Afghanistan 'unmolested and unhindered', NDTV reported Friday.

''There is no question that the absence of pressure on the Pakistani side of the border is creating an opportunity for more people to cross the border and to launch attacks.''

His statement comes in the aftermath of last week's attack on the US forces in Afghanistan that left at least nine soldiers dead.

Mullen, who visited Pakistan recently, argued that the well coordinated attack on the Wanat outpost in Afghanistan has proved that the enemy has grown ''bolder, more sophisticated, and more diverse''.

He said the US would like to see an end to the militant activities in the tribal areas of Pakistan soon.

''But the border there is a really critical issue that we're going to have to solve. And certainly that's a message that I delivered to each of the leaders that I visited in Pakistan,'' the top military official concluded.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has not ruled out the US air strikes, drones attacks and covert special missions in Pakistan's remote tribal areas.

''We will take defensive actions. We have taken defensive actions when fired upon from places right across the border. Generally, that's been in counter artillery,'' Gates said.

Earlier on Monday, Pakistan People's Party leader Asif Ali Zardari slammed the US for the idea of 'hot pursuit' of militants into the tribal belt near the Afghan border.

Pakistan has suffered a wave of violence and thousands have been killed since Pervez Musharraf joined the so-called US war on terror in 2001.
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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2008, 07:49:34 pm »
   

   If I remember right, the neocons want to split Pakistan into 5 parts. 
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2008, 07:55:01 pm »
control of a nuclear arsenal outside US borders would be a handy thing for them......  far less oversight to be sure....

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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2008, 12:14:16 pm »
We gave pak their nuclear weapons, so if a nuclear bomb goes off in afghanistan, the US could claim it was either Iran or pakistan. Or they could try to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and say that Iran did it with the aid of pakistan supplying the nuke. We'd attack both countries at the same time while Israel attacks Iran and Syria. The middle east is a powder keg ready to get set off. Anything is possible now guys and gals.
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2008, 01:09:19 pm »
We gave pak their nuclear weapons, so if a nuclear bomb goes off in afghanistan, the US could claim it was either Iran or pakistan. Or they could try to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and say that Iran did it with the aid of pakistan supplying the nuke. We'd attack both countries at the same time while Israel attacks Iran and Syria. The middle east is a powder keg ready to get set off. Anything is possible now guys and gals.

The US also seems to be getting more friendly with India, making some kind of nuclear pact from what I heard. Pakistan is India's sworn enemy so it wouldn't surprise me if India becomes a pawn and attacks Pakistan from it's eastern border as US/NATO forces attack from the north and south. Whether or not India becomes an allie of the US remains to be seen. But India may take advantage of the situation to attack Pakistan.

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Re: Coming War With Pakistan??? - Post News About Pakistan Here
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2008, 03:51:50 am »
there is almost 200,000,000 people in Pakistan

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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2008, 08:26:11 am »


It is a no  win situation, the same as Nam.

But, the Elists are have been raking in the billions, therfor it will continue.

Human sacrice for profit, the basis of war.


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It's great.
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US Policy Shift On Iran-Iraq
Again Shows Brzezinski Rules In Washington

Looming Attack On Pakistan Spells Nuclear
Confrontations With China, Russia & Their Allies

By Webster G. Tarpley

7-20-8

http://rense.com/general82/uspol.htm


 Washington, DC, July 17, 2008 -- With the Bush regime sending a top State Department diplomat to sit down with Iranian officials, with signs that the US departure from Iraq may now be accelerated, and with Israel beginning to make deals with Hezbollah, some observers in this capital are beginning to celebrate Peace in Our Time in an outburst of midsummer euphoria. But this perspective is an illusion: the United States and NATO now escalating the hopeless and unwinnable Afghan war, and is preparing to send US and NATO forces on the ground to seize parts of Pakistan, a country which is almost 3 times more populous than Iran, and possesses a nuclear arsenal and the means to deliver it. The Bush-Cheney-neocon era in foreign policy is over, and the Brzezinski-Trilateral-Rockefeller-Soros phase of aggression has begun; the US hit list now features Chinese allies like Sudan, Zimbabwe, and Pakistan. Brzezinski is striving to put together some huge provocation for the Beijing Olympics, to make the Chinese government lose face and begin disintegrating. The ultimate targets of the new Obama-Brzezinski foreign policy are Russia, China, and the other members and friends of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the main pole of resistance in the world to the designs of Washington and London. The stakes are now much higher than a mere conventional clash in the Persian Gulf. Brzezinski's adventurism goes far beyond that of the neocons, and objectively places the danger of a thermonuclear exchange on the world agenda. Watch for the Polish-Czech-Lithuanian missile crisis, a Balkan crisis, and a crisis between Georgia and Russia to point the world in this ominous new direction.
 
The US government is now being run by the Principals' Committee, an interagency cabal that includes Defense Secretary Gates, Secretary Of State Rice, Joint Chiefs Chairman Mullen, Secretary of the Treasury Paulson, and other operatives of the Trilateral Wall Street financier faction. It is clear that under the new policy, Iran will be able to continue to process uranium: 'The Bush administration's decision to send a senior American official to participate in international talks with "More news and information about Iran." Iran this weekend reflects a double policy shift in the struggle to resolve the impasse over the country's nuclear program. First, the Bush administration has decided to abandon its longstanding position that it would meet face to face with Iran only after that country suspended its uranium enrichment, as demanded by the "More articles about Security Council, U.N." United Nations Security Council. Second, an American partner at the table injects new importance to the negotiating track of the six global powers confronting Iran - France, Britain, Germany, Russia, China and the United States - even though their official stance is that no substantive talks can begin until uranium enrichment stops. The increased engagement raised questions of whether the Bush administration would alter its stance toward Iran as radically as it did with North Korea, risking a fresh schism with conservatives who have accused the White House of granting concessions to so-called rogue states without extracting enough in return.' (New York Times, July 17, 2008) This gambit of appeasing Iran is being done in the hopes of turning Iran against Russia and China a project of incalculable folly. Brzezinski is glad to see the Iranians have nukes, because he thinks he can keep them, pointed at Moscow.
 
At the same time, US and NATO forces are getting ready for a large-scale invasionof Pakistan, with the excuse of catching the phantomatic Bin Laden. The real goal is to so humiliate and discredit the current US puppet regime in Pakistan that the country will descend intom civilwar and split apart, destroying a key Chinese ally in the proicess. The timetable is short: 'ISLAMABAD, July 13 (Reuters) - The Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, visited Pakistan on the weekend, fueling speculation that the United States was about to take action against militants in northwest Pakistan.' Even troops of other NATO states are getting ready to attack Pakistan: 'KABUL, July 16 (Reuters) - NATO forces in Afghanistan hit targets inside Pakistan with artillery and attack helicopters after coming under rocket fire from across the border, the alliance said on Wednesday. Tension is high along the border with a sharp rise in attacks in eastern Afghanistan coming from inside Pakistan that Afghan and NATO officials blame on de-facto ceasefires between the Pakistani military and militants in its lawless tribal belt. (Reuters North American News Service, July 16, 2008) All of which goes to show that Brzezinski is mad as a hatter.
 
THE BRZEZINSKI-OBAMA PLAN FOR RUSSIA
 
Groaning under the weight of two lost wars, the terminal crisis of the US dollar, banking panic, and hyperinflation, the US ruling elite is attempting to unify itself around Obama for a breathtaking reversal of their entire strategic and ideological field. The intent is to largely jettison the post-9/11 enemy image of Islamic terrorism and the focus on the Middle East, and to shift target to Russia, China, and their allies in a vast global showdown or planetary end game for which Trilateral asset Obama is supposed to be the figurehead. As outlined by the cold warrior and Russia-hater Brzezinski, the first phase is to eject the Chinese from Africa, cutting off their access to oil and raw materials, and thus sabotaging their current rapid industrial development. All of Africa is rapidly becoming a battlefield of the US against the Chinese, and Obama is the ideal front man for this. Chinese allies like Sudan and Zimbabwe, and also Pakistan and Burma, are all being targeted as part of this plan. With Iran and Syria, the effort will not to attack them, but to turn them against Russia and China. This Brzezinski design is why Obama says he wants to negotiate with Iran, but bomb Pakistan. China is being weakened and destabilized by the Tibetan insurrection and other operations, and Zbig would like to stage a large-scale incident under the cover of the summer Olympics. In the final stage, Zbig thinks he can drive the oil-starved Chinese in on Russia's provinces of eastern Siberia, where there is much oil and few Russians. Obama is thus the bearer of a plan for Sino-Russian World War III that far surpasses the insanity of the neocons. Since Russia and China are both well aware of the Brzezinski plan, this entire lunatic project is sure to blow up in our faces, with cataclysmic results. The Iraq war will seem a tea party by comparison. The main grounds for aggression in the new phase will be humanitarian and human rights claims, not terrorism, so as to maximize left cover. The Bin Laden pretext is now mainly for Afghanistan-Pakistan, where the existing war is being expanded and re-directed to fit the new policy.
 
OBAMA ESCALATES AFGHANISTAN, ATTACKS PAKISTAN
 
An example of the heightened aggressiveness that could be expected under the Brzezinski plan was the question of unilateral US bombing of Pakistan. Not a few observers spent the first half of 2008 worrying about an imminent attack on Iran. The reality was that the growing power of the Brzezinski faction in Washington made such an attack less and less likely, at least as far as the United States and the United Kingdom were concerned. But these same observers were largely blind to a program of systematic aggression being carried out by the United States and the British against Pakistan, a country that was almost 3 times larger than Iran, and became equipped with nuclear weapons and medium-range ballistic missiles to deliver them. Every gust of wind in the Persian Gulf was considered a harbinger of Armageddon, but the constant bombing raids in the northwest regions of Pakistan were considered a matter of scant importance.
 
The irony was that the bombing attacks on Pakistan had been demanded by none other than Obama. Speaking indeed the July 2008 Democratic candidates' debate held in Chicago, Obama had stated: ' what I said was that we have to refocus, get out of Iraq, make certain that we are helping Pakistan deal with the problem of al Qaeda in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan. But, if we have actionable intelligence on al Qaeda operatives, including bin Laden, and President Musharraf cannot act, then we should. Now, I think that's just common sense. I don't know about you, but for us to authorize -- (cheers, applause) -- (inaudible) --.' Senator Clinton had disagreed with this reckless and unilateral approach. Senator Dodd had joined Clinton in criticizing Obama. Senator McCain had scored Obama for making such a reckless and incendiary proposal. Even Bush himself stated that he intended to work closely with President Musharraf in regard to all operations conducted by the United States on Pakistani territory.
 
Since the tenant of the White House had ruled out the unilateral bombing of Pakistan which Obama had demanded, the matter appeared to be closed. Jake Tapper of ABC News found it striking that Obama, who was posing as the peace candidate for Iraq, should be so aggressive in regard to Pakistan. Tapper showed that Obama was raising the issue on the campaign trail, quoting him. '"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama said, "but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will." There it was again: unilateral US bombing of a sovereign state that had nuclear weapons. Tapper commented: 'In many ways, the speech is counterintuitive; Obama, one of the more liberal candidates in the race, is proposing a geopolitical posture that is more aggressive than that of President Bush.' (Jake Tapper, 'Presidential Candidate Pushes Aggressive Stance Toward Pakistan,' ABC News, August 1, 2007) In other words, when it came to Pakistan, Obama was a bigger warmonger and any Republican or Democrat in sight, including Bush and McCain, to say nothing of Clinton.
 
Astoundingly, the power of Brzezinski in Washington grew so rapidly that Obama was destined to prevail over Bush, the alleged president, imposing his policy instead of the announced intentions of the man who kept calling himself the president of the United States. Late in March 2008, a press account revealed that the US had indeed gone over to unilaterally bombing northwest Pakistan: 'The United States has escalated its unilateral strikes against al-Qaeda members and fighters operating in "Pakistan's tribal areas, partly because of anxieties that Pakistan's new leaders will insist on scaling back military operations in that country, according to U.S. officials. "We have always said that as for strikes, that is for Pakistani forces to do and for the Pakistani government to decide. . . . We do not envision a situation in which foreigners will enter Pakistan and chase targets," said Farhatullah Babar, a top spokesman for the "Pakistan People's Party, whose leader, Yousaf Raza Gillani, is the new prime minister. "This war on terror is our war." But Kamran Bokhari, a Pakistani who directs Middle East analysis for Strategic Forecasting, a private intelligence group in Washington, said the new government will almost certainly take a harder line against such strikes. "These . . . are very unpopular, not because people support al-Qaeda, but because they feel Pakistan has no sovereignty," he said. The latest Predator strike, on March 16, killed about 20 in Shahnawaz Kot; a Feb. 28 strike killed 12 foreign militants in the village of Kaloosha; and a Jan. 29 strike killed 13 people, including senior al-Qaeda commander Abu Laith al-Libi, in North Waziristan. (Robin Wright and Joby Warrick, :US Steps Up Unilateral Strikes in Pakistan," Washington Post, March 27, 2008) 
 
Soon it became clear that this was a systematic US bombing campaign and represented a scandal as big in its own way as the Nixon-Kissinger secret bombing of Cambodia back in the early 1970s. This is no hyperbole; we must simply remember that a nuclear power, and not some banana republic, is being attacked! The US bombing campaign was being conducted with wild and reckless abandon, and members of Pakistani paramilitary formations were getting killed: 'Pakistan is condemning a "Pakistan: US airstrikes kill 11 border troops" U.S. air strike which allegedly killed 11 Pakistani paramilitaries as a "completely unprovoked and cowardly act." U.S.-led forces killed Pakistani troops in an air strike along the volatile Afghan border that Pakistan's army condemned on Wednesday as "completely unprovoked and cowardly." U.S. officials confirmed that three aircraft launched about a dozen bombs following a clash between Taliban militants and Afghan and U.S.-led coalition forces late Tuesday. Pakistan says the strikes killed 11 of its paramilitary troops. The Pakistani army said the air strike hit a post of the paramilitary Frontier Corps in the Mohmand tribal region and was a "completely unprovoked and cowardly act." It launched a strong protest and reserved "the right to protect our citizens and soldiers against aggression," the military said in a statement. The statement said the clash "had hit at the very basis of cooperation" between the allies in the war on terror.' 
 
The Pakistani government was now the one elected in the elections conducted after the death of Benazir Bhutto in December 2007. This was supposedly the regime the US had wanted to install, but Brzezinski was doing everything possible to humiliate, mortified, and thoroughly antagonize the new government in Islamabad. 'The Frontier Post of Pakistan reported: 'On June 10, 2008 US - led coalition forces along the Afghan border launched an air strike on a Frontier Corps Sheikh Baba border post in the mountainous Gora Prai region in Mohmand Agency. 11 Pakistani paramilitary troops including one major, 10 civilian killed and several injured. The incident took place inside Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan. Pentagon confirmed that coordinated artillery and air strikes was carried out. On Jun 11 2008, Prime Minister Gilani condemned the deaths, telling parliament: "We will take a stand for the sake of this country's sovereignty, for the sake of its dignity and self-respect". He further revealed that "We do not allow our territory to be used. We completely condemn this, and will take it up through the foreign office."("NATO's Senseless Aggressiveness in FATA," Frontier Post) By early July 2008, the US was making preparations to escalate: 'US commandos are reportedly poised to launch raids against al-Qa'ida and Taliban targets in Pakistan as Washington moves an aircraft carrier into the Arabian Sea. The redeployment of the Abraham Lincoln and its escort vessels from the Gulf yesterday came after US military intelligence officials recorded an increase in the number of foreign fighters travelling to Pakistan's tribal areas to join with militants.'
 
What is Brzezinski doing? He is obviously using the absurd pretext of bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban in order to destroy the central government of Pakistan, and promote civil war, Balkanization, partitioning, and subdivision in that country. The goal is evidently the division of Pakistan into three or four or five petty states, including such areas as Sind, Pushtunistan, Baluchistan, Waziristan, and so forth. This operation has nothing whatsoever to do with bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or the "global war on terror," but had everything to do with the fact that Pakistan was a traditional Chinese ally and economic and trading partner. Pakistan had to be destroyed as part of the Brzezinski strategy to strip China of all of allies, and promote the isolation and encirclement of the Middle Kingdom. Northwest Pakistan is one of the very few parts of the world where the US continued to rely on the bin Laden-Al Qaeda myth to justify its policy. Elsewhere, pretexts and cover stories about humanitarian intervention and human rights, and nuclear non-proliferation, are on the front burner.
 
GOP LAMENTS: LAME DUCK BUSH REDUCED TO CHILD'S PLAY
 
In the late spring and early summer of 2008, it is clear that Bush, Cheney, and the neocons had indeed lost power to Brzezinski and company. Bush and Cheney appear to have about as much power as the White House janitor or the groundskeeper at the Naval Observatory. Bush and Cheney are variously described as finished, washed up, lame ducks, figureheads, and kaput. Some Republicans were becoming concerned that Bush had lapsed into a figurehead-lame-duck status, and impotence and passivity so extreme that they might become a negative factor for McCain in the upcoming election. One columnist noted: 'Some of President Bush's allies tell the Political Bulletin they are embarrassed and angry that the White House seems to be wasting Bush's time on frivolous events when much of the country is suffering through economic hard times. "Look at the schedule for Monday," says an outside Bush adviser. "A highlight of his day was witnessing a tee ball game. ... He is being reduced to child's play." The adviser says Bush also signed a supplemental appropriations bill for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on Monday, but he adds that it didn't get much coverage and that the tee ball game set the wrong tone. There is growing concern among Bush allies that the Democrats will effectively portray the President and GOP candidate John McCain as out of touch. Some GOP insiders now predict that the Republicans will lose at least five seats in the Senate and 15 to 20 in the House, and it could get worse if gasoline prices continue to soar and the public remains in a disgruntled mood.'
 
RICE HUMILIATES CHENEY WITH NORTH KOREA DEAL
 
Another leading symptom of this loss of power by Bush and Cheney is the announcement by Secretary of State Rice, another member of the Principals' Committee, that a deal has been reached with North Korea concerning the termination of the North Korean nuclear weapons program, in exchange for which the United States had pledged to remove North Korea from the State Department list of terrorist states. The remaining neocons were apoplectic to the point of foaming at the mouth. The British press revealed that the diehard Cheney had fought tooth and nail to block this deal, but had been vanquished by Rice -- and thus by the superior power of the Principals' Committee, in our view: 'Vice President Dick Cheney fought furiously to block efforts by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to strike a controversial US compromise deal with North Korea over the communist state's nuclear program Mr Cheney was so angry about the decision to remove North Korea from the terrorism blacklist and lift some sanctions that he abruptly curtailed a meeting with visiting US foreign experts when asked about it in the White House last week, according to the New York Times "I'm not going to be the one to announce this decision. You need to address your interest in this to the State Department," he reportedly said before leaving the room. "The exchanges between Cheney's office and Rice's people at State got very testy. But ultimately Condi had the President's ear and persuaded him that his legacy would be stronger if they reached a deal with Pyongyang," said a Pentagon adviser who was briefed on the battle. Top neocon John Bolton was beside himself with rage, and saw this deal with the DPRK as a harbinger of the final neocon Götterdämmerung: '"It's shameful," said John Bolton, Bush's former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. "This represents the final collapse of Bush's foreign policy." (CBS-AP, June 26, 2008) The mood of his fellow neocon Richard Perle was equally apocalyptic: '"Usually the word 'meltdown' applies to a nuclear reactor. In this case it applies to Bush administration diplomacy which once aimed to halt the North Korean program and has now become an abject failure," Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon defense policy board in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq invasion, told the Telegraph.' (Daily Telegraph, June 28, 2008) Both Bolton and Perel, for once, have it right. Brzezinski and his tool Rice are running the show.
 
MULLEN WARNS ISRAELIS: DON'T ATTACK IRAN
 
At the same time, a pattern of intense diplomatic activity has emerged across the Middle East, even as the Israeli politician Shaul Mofaz was threatening Iran with an inevitable nuclear attack if it were to persevere in its alleged attempts to procure nuclear bombs. The Israelis are known to be negotiating with Syria in a series of talks mediated by the Turkish government. The Israelis were also making deals with Hamas and Hezbollah, something that was formally speaking a violation of the strict Bush doctrine in this regard. Remarkably, the top levels of the US government have issued some unusual warnings to the Israelis, telling them to back off from any plan to strike at Iran: President Bush and the top "U.S. Armed Forces" U.S. military commander warned "Israel" Israel... against bombing Iran, suggesting the " U.S. doesn't want to get involved in a third war. "This is a very unstable part of the world and I don't need it to be more unstable," "Michael G. Mullen" Adm. Mike Mullen, the Joint Chiefs chairman [and leading member of the ruling Principals' Committee], said at a briefing. Bush said, "I have made it clear to all parties [including Israel] that the first option is diplomacy," in getting Iran to stop enriching uranium that could be used for a nuclear weapon. The warnings came after the disclosure that Israel had conducted air operations over the Mediterranean that could simulate a strike on Iran.'
 
In addition to these public warnings, there are also reports of private messages telling the Israelis to back off. One was personally delivered by Admiral Mullen of the Principals' Committee, according to the Israeli press: 'The US did not give the green light for an Israeli attack on Iran, Prof. Anthony H. Cordesman, a former Pentagon official and currently the top defense analyst at the ABC TV network, said Monday. Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen. Cordesman was speaking during a meeting with Israeli defense analysts held by the Institute of National Security Studies. He said IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi was notified of the United States' stance regarding Iran by Admiral Michael Mullen, the top uniformed US military officer, during Mullen's visit here at the end of June. The US has opted at this point to stick to the diplomatic track in its efforts to keep Iran from going nuclear, and has made clear to Israel that it shouldn't attack Iran without White House approval, Cordesman said. He added that the current US policy is likely to remain unchanged at least until the next US president is sworn in. Israeli officials confirmed that Cordesman's statements indeed reflected the current tone of US policy.'
 
There are solid indications that Iran is being offered the possibility of continuing to enrich uranium at the level of its present capacity to do so, while opening a negotiation with Javier Solana of the European Union. This was welcomed by the Iran Foreign Minister Mottaki, and was widely regarded as the prelude to a deal or modus vivendi between the US under Brzezinski and the Iranians: ''Iran agreed to enter into talks with the European Union about its nuclear program before the end of the month, Iranian state-run media said. The EU, which recently placed sanctions on Iran, has offered a package of political, economic and security incentives to Iran if it halts uranium enrichment. Iran's top nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, called EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana to tell him the response to that offer was coming, according to Iran's Islamic Republic News Agency, and Solana's office characterized Jalili's tone as friendly and positive. 
 
The EU has proposed suspending further sanctions if http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iran" Iran takes a six-week break from installing or manufacturing any more centrifuges that enrich uranium. Iran would be allowed to continue to run the more than 3,000 centrifuges it already has but could not manufacture more ("Iran ready to discuss EU's nuclear offer," CNN, July 4, 2008) In the midst of these negotiations, Iran launched a number of medium and short range ballistic missiles. The neocons tried to beat the drum, but the response of Secretary Gates of the Principals' Committee was as low-key and placid as could be imagined: 'The United States is no closer to confrontation with Iran after Tehran test-fired missiles it says could reach Israel and U.S. assets in the Middle East, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday. Asked if the United States was any closer to confrontation, Gates told reporters: "No, I don't think so." Gates also said it was "highly unlikely" that Russian air defense missiles would be in Iranian hands soon. An improved air defense system would make a strike on Iran more difficult.' (Reuters: "Pentagon chief: US no closer to Iran confrontation," July 9, 2008) Gates also mentioned the terrible consequences which any hostilities with Iran would have. The following day, there were press reports that the US was allowing the Israelis to use Iraqi airspace to ready an attack on Iran. These reports were quickly denied by the Pentagon. An Israeli attack could not be ruled out, but there was no doubt that the US and the British were strongly opposed to the idea, which would undercut Brzezinski's entire plan to turning Iran against the Russians.
 
There was yet another example of a Principals' Committee member overriding Bush and making policy. On July 11, 2008, it was reported that Treasury Secretary Paulson had convinced Bush that the administration policy of hostility (based on Bush's hatred of FDR and the New Deal in any form) to Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, the twin giant mortgage guarantors and lenders whose debts amounted to some $5.3 trillion, was risking a systemic crisis of the US banking system a financial Armageddon. Paulson reportedly told Bush that if he insisted on driving Freddie and Fannie into bankruptcy liquidation, systemic crisis would quickly follow and Bush would be Hooverized in very short order, long before he left office. At this point, wheels were set into motion and the Federal Reserve signaled that Freddie and Fannie would get access to the discount window of the US central bank. This story is highly relevant here because it shows the degree to which the members of the Principals Committee are now running the government and telling Bush what to do on most the major issues. It is clear that Brzezinski and his fellow Trilateral oligarchs intend to maintain and consolidate the current preeminence of the Principals' Committee under a possible future Obama administration, and also if McCain becomes president, although that variant is much less promising for their hopes of giving US imperialism a hyper-demagogic facelift. In the case of McCain, the Trilateral inside operative would be Ian Brzezinski, the neocon son of the clan patriarch, who tells McCain what to say about world affairs.
 
NEOCONS DISPLACED BY TRILATERALS, 2006-2008
 
The erosion of neocon power had proceeded apace, starting around the time of the 2006 US congressional elections. Around that time, British intelligence began signaling the urgent necessity of shifting target towards Russia by staging to bombastic intelligence circuses in the form of the Politkovskaya murder and the Litvinenko radiation bomb affair, both of which were immediately blamed on Russian President Putin. The British also stepped up their subversion efforts inside the Russian Federation under the cover of cultural exchanges conduit through the Foreign Office front organization, the British Council. As a result of the new Democratic majority in the Congress, the discredited neocon factional leader Rumsfeld was forced out and replaced by Robert Gates, a Sovietologist who had served as the Russophobe Zbigniew Brzezinski's office boy at the National Security Council during 1977, 1978, and 1979. Gates had also been active in Brzezinski's mujaheddin operations against the Soviets, operations which had been given birth to the CIA Arab Legion, Al Qaeda. At the end of 2006, the report of the Iraq study group, also known as the Baker-Hamilton commission, signaled a change in oligarchical policy and with it the beginning of the end of the neocon dominance in Washington.   
 
The Iraq study group recommended that there be no US attack on Iran, and that negotiations with Syria and Iran be begun immediately. James Baker, a former secretary of state under Bush the Elder, stated explicitly that he had procured Syria as an ally for the United States during the first Gulf War, and that he could do so again. Neocon press organs screamed that Baker and Hamilton were "surrender monkeys," but the handwriting was now on the wall. The middle of the year saw the fall of the crypto-neocon Tony Blair, a creature of Rupert Murdoch and the last of the major European leaders who had cooperated with Bush and the neocons to unleash the Iraq war in the first place. The last serious attempt of the neocon faction to launch war with Iran probably occurred at the end of August and the beginning of September 2007, when rogue forces allied with Cheney in effect hijacked a B-52 intercontinental strategic bomber carrying six nuclear armed cruise missiles, and flew it from North Dakota to Louisiana. One of more of these missiles was probably destined to join in the Israeli attack on Syria which occurred on September 6. The fact that this B-52 was not allowed to proceed, and that a consensus against letting it leaves the United States rapidly emerged in the higher levels of the oligarchy, probably represented the last gasp of the US - UK neocons as far as starting a wider war was concerned. Bush's outbursts in October and November about World War III were partly directed against Putin, and partly expressed his frustration that no strategic attacks on Iran were likely. 
 
This overall impression was solidified in December 2007 with the issuance of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran, which concluded that there was no longer any active Iranian program to build nuclear bombs. In 2008, attention was already shifting to such classic Brzezinski gambits as Kosovo independence and the emerging Polish missile crisis, along with the Tibet insurrection, threats to attack Sudan, and a clear desire to use a humanitarian emergency in Burma as a pretext for a humanitarian invasion and regime change because the Burmese junta was not an efficient distributor of relief supplies. In these same months, the US Supreme Court was handing down majority opinions striking down the Bush-Cheney military commissions plan for alleged terrorist captives, and then asserting the right of habeas corpus for the prisoners being held in the US exclave of Guantánamo Bay Cuba. Once again, the neocons howled in their impotence. Then came the deal to de-list North Korea as a terrorist state, followed by increasing indications of an imminent deal with Iran, even as the attacks on Pakistan escalated and that country teetered on the brink of civil war and partition.   
 
The years had not been kind to the neocons: Scooter Libby had been convicted, and only escaped prison through bushes highly controversial pardon. Lord Conrad Black, arguably an even bigger neocon then Libby, was now actually serving a multi-year prison sentence in a US federal penitentiary for embezzling money from his companies. Lord Black had been one of the major funders of the American Enterprise Institute, where no less a personage than Lynn Cheney, as well as Richard Perle and Michael Ledeen had been employed. As for neocon Michael Ledeen, his problems might only be beginning: a report from the Senate Intelligence Committee alleged that Ledeen and his old Iran-Contra friend Ghorbanifar had conspired to manipulate US intelligence during the run-up to the Iraq war. This report had no doubt received much personal attention from the Committee Chairman, who was none other than Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, of the Trilateral-Rockefeller faction which also included Brzezinski. Other neocons like torture advocates and Geneva Convention deniers Addington (Cheney's Cheney) Yoo were hauled in front of the Nadler committee of the House to be grilled and lambasted. These were some of the steps by which the Trilaterals had ousted the neocons from their previous positions of power, had neutralized Bush and Cheney, and had generally introduced a demagogic left turn in the entire posture of Anglo American foreign policy, propaganda, and intelligence operations. Now, all they needed was a figurehead to become the spokesman for this deceptive and cynical left turn -- and this was obviously the role assigned to Obama. 
 
If the American people could imagine no conflict worse than the Iraq war, or even the now-unlikely Iran war, they were obviously suffering from a severe poverty of imagination. Zbigniew Brzezinski's imagination was richer than that. He could and did imagine a drive to break up both Russia and China, reducing both to a congeries of warlords and petty states, all absolutely impotent to resist the Anglo-Americans. That would give London and Washington another century of world domination. Brzezinski would always claim that his intention was to accomplish all this using proxies, surrogates, and pawns, and without embroiling the US in direct war with Russia and China. His approach had all the defects of the old Astor family-Cliveden set of the 1930s, who were convinced that they could build up Hitler, turn him east, play him against Stalin, and then destroy both Germany and the USSR in the process, letting the British Empire survive for another hundred years. Unfortunately, they had been too clever by half, and their plan had blown up in their faces when Hitler turned west before going east. That had caused World War II. Now, it was clear that Brzezinski's fantastic strategy was also destined to blow up in his face, and in all our faces, except now there are ICBMs and H-bombs. The Russian leader Vladimir Putin and his faction clearly had read Brzezinski's intentions accurately: "Where did you get a public opinion that we should fully disarm and then, according to some theoreticians, such as Brzezinski, divide our territory into three or four states? If there is such a public opinion, I would disagree with it," Putin had stated on June 4, 2007. 
 
OBAMA A ONE-WAY TICKET TO THERMONUCLEAR WAR
 
An Obama regime was therefore a probable one-way ticket to thermonuclear war, an outcome several orders of magnitude worse than anything the neocons had ever plotted. Brzezinski and his friends were more aggressive, more adventurous, more intelligent, and more insane than the neocons. The American people, if they succumbed to Obama, were about to leap out of the frying pan and into the fire.
 
 
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Iran, Pakistan Stress Strategic Ties
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TEHRAN (FNA)- A senior Iranian lawmaker called for forging strategic cooperation with Pakistan, noting that Iran attaches great significance to peace and security in the eastern neighboring country.
 
In a meeting with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff of Pakistan's Military on Saturday, General Ehsan-ul-Haq, in Tehran, head of the parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi said Iran and Pakistan enjoy historical relations.

Noting that Iran and Pakistan have common interests in the region, the MP called for expansion of ties in political and economic fields.

The MP noted that the officials of the two Muslim states should boost parliamentary relations.

For his part, the Pakistani General referred to friendly ties between Iran and Pakistan, and said that his people would not forget Iran's recognition of Pakistan as a sovereign state and its independence from Britain.

"The two neighboring countries have huge potentials for expansions of ties," he said.
 
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Pakistan to give befitting response to invaders
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Jamaat-e-Islami Secretary General Syed Munawar Hasan has warned that the US is anxiously waiting to attack Pakistan to pursue its nefarious designs.

Addressing a meeting of the office-bearers and Shoora members of the party's Faisalabad chapter here on Monday, he said the rumours aired by the Zionist-controlled media that the Al-Qaeda and Taliban were reorganising in the tribal areas of the country were part of the conspiracy to justify the US attacks in the region. He expressed concerns over the irresponsible attitude of the PPP-led government, especially over the leaders' unnecessary foreign visits while ignoring the situation back in the country. He demanded of the rulers to convene an emergency session of parliament to evolve a strategy for countering serious dangers being faced by the nation.

"Though the US forces stationed in Afghanistan have been making unannounced attacks inside Pakistani border and violating our airspace for quite sometime, killing hundreds of Pakistanis, but during the past few weeks, President Bush and other US officials have increased naked threats of attacking Pakistan," he said, adding that the baseless allegations were being used to justify the possible US attack as they were used before Afghanistan and Iraq attacks.

Munawar said that the Taliban did not attack the World Trade Centre on 9-11 and there was no threat of any attack on the US soil by them because they had no capability to attack the super power of the world.
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Pakistan's ISI: A common enemy of India, Afghanistan
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Published on Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:11

Kabul: In 2001, the United States of America and its allies launched the war against terrorism after the world was stunned by the daring attack at the World Trade Centre.


Seven years later Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar are still at large.


Taliban has regrouped but this time just across Afghanistan's southern borders in Pakistan's volatile Federally Administered Tribal Areas and North-West Frontier Province.


"We want peace and security to rebuild this country but we will not allow people to cross our border and attack us. So what we want is the possibility of hot pursuit of those who are crossing our borders and attacking our people and friends," Zalmay Rasoul, National Security Advisor, Afghanistan, says.


People like Baitullah Mehsud are the new sources of Taliban-inspired terrorism emerging in the tribal areas of Pakistan, staging beheadings of those allegedly collaborating with the security forces and launching a series of attacks across the Pakistani border on the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.


"Baitullah Mehsud is officially announcing in a press conference that we are going to bring jehad in Afghanistan that means what? It is an attack to our soil so we have a right to defend ourselves," says Zalmay.


US Defence Secretary Robert Gates says, "There is a real need to do something on the Pakistani side of the border to bring pressure to bear on the Taliban and some of these other violent groups."


Media reports suggest NATO troops are mobilising on the Afghan side of the Durand Line just days after 15 American soldiers were killed by the Taliban in Southern Afghanistan, close to the Pakistan border.


But it was the suicide bombing of the Indian Embassy on July 7 that forced India and the international community to revisit the close ties between Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Taliban.


"I hold the ISI guilty. I do not hold the Pakistan government pre se necessarily as complicit in this but we'll trust and verify. But I am very clear in my mind the villain of the peace is the ISI," SOT: MK Narayanan, National Security Adviser, says.


"I agree with Mr Narayanan in this view. I name ISI to organize it from the indications that we have. The intelligence service has been behind it," says Rasoul.


Intelligence sources told CNN-IBN that the 324 Field Intelligence Unit attached to the Peshawar-based XI Corps of Pakistan Army was involved in the attack.


Kabul is crawling with Afghan secret service officials looking for Pakistani agents let loose by Adam Khan, the Kabul Station Head of ISI.


The attack on the Indian embassy followed by series of Taliban strikes in Southern Afghanistan killing scores of civilians and NATO troops, many of them Americans provoked Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai to speak his mind.


"We know who martyred the people in Kabul. Now this has become clear. And we have told the government of Pakistan that the killings of people in Afghanistan, the destruction of bridges in Afghanistan are carried out by Pakistan's intelligence and Pakistan's military departments," President Karzai says.


Karzai's words had an immediate effect.


US President George W Bush says, "First of all, we'll investigate his charge and we'll work with his service to get to the bottom of his allegation. Some extremists are coming out of parts of Pakistan into Afghanistan. And that's troubling to us, it's troubling to Afghanistan, and it should be troubling to Pakistan."


A resurgent Taliban is a concern for India too.


"We apprehend that there will be further intensification of attacks. We have enough information that there are at least three or four specifically targeted attacks on our personnel including our two consulates at Kandahar and Jalalabad. I think on the long term basis we will have to look at really fortifying some of these places," Narayanan says.


Foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon, who was in Kabul days after the attack, says, "Every leader I met saw this as an attack on both India and Afghanistan. I told them that our commitment to the reconstruction of Afghanistan is unwavering."


Strong commitments in Afghanistan need stronger security measures. In the next two weeks India will deploy more personnel from the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP).


Their primary role will be to secure the Indian Embassy in Kabul and four other consulates in Afghanistan.


To begin with the Indian Embassy in Kabul could have more than 100 ITBP personnel deployed on security duties. About that same number could be stationed at each of the four consulates in Jalalabad, Mazar-i-Sharif, Herat and Kandahar.


ITBP personnel would also be tasked to secure infrastructure projects where Indians are present in substantial numbers.


The ITBP personnel undergo the same training and conditioning as Army infantry units.


As the force operates in the mountains it may have less problem acclimatising to Afghanistan.


With the security of Indian missions being strengthened, both India and Afghanistan are keen to get on with the business of deepening and widening their relationship.


Afghanistan Presidential Spokesperson Humayun Hamidzai says, "We would like to expand multilateral cooperation with India. Would like to expand as much as possible stability to Afghanistan."


In packed press conferences at the Foreign Ministry in Kabul Hamidzai has been voicing President Karzai's view that Pakistan's ISI along with Taliban will not be allowed to destabilise New Delhi's growing ties with Kabul or launch terror attacks inside Afghanistan and kill civilians and troops belonging to the Afghan National Army and NATO.


The message is clear.


"We will not tolerate people who come in and attack us and our friends. That's the message," Rasoul says.


In an official briefing in the Foreign Ministry, Afghan government spokesperson once again laid the blame on Pakistan's ISI for staging terror attacks on Afghanistan.


It is in this context that the increased deployment of ITBP to secure Indian missions in Afghanistan must be looked at.

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Behind Afghanistan lies Pakistan

The US is wising up about Pakistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban find safe haven.


from the July 21, 2008 edition

Like its towering mountains, Afghanistan looms as a serious security threat, with Taliban attacks on US and NATO forces there rising precipitously. But the road to improvement starts in Pakistan, and the route is as winding as the Khyber Pass highway that connects the two countries.

Al Qaeda has regrouped in Pakistan's lawless tribal region on the border, reaching pre-9/11 strength. Taliban militants also find safe haven in this remote region and cross regularly into Afghanistan.

This growing hornets' nest poses a risk not only to Afghanistan and NATO forces, but to the world as a whole. Islamist terrorists in the border area are hostile to the newly elected secular government in Pakistan. Remember that Pakistan has the world's second-largest Muslim population and is equipped with nuclear weapons.

Thankfully, Washington is starting to pay more attention to this part of the world. Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama visited Afghanistan over the weekend, and last week, Republican candidate John McCain elevated the region's importance by speaking extensively about it. Both recognize the critical role that Pakistan plays.

Meanwhile, Gen. David Petraeus is talking with Pakistani officials about how to better wage a counterinsurgency in the tribal areas. And last week, the leaders of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee pushed a bipartisan bill that provides a far more balanced US approach to Pakistan.

The bill, sponsored by Joseph Biden (D) of Delaware and Richard Lugar (R) of Indiana, would more than triple development aid to Pakistan over the next five years and aim to extend it for another five. It would put the American contribution to roads, secular schooling, and clinics ahead of military aid.

America has poured more than $7 billion into military aid to Pakistan over the past six years, with little result. In the bill, the military aid is contingent on Pakistan making a concerted effort to put down the terrorist groups.

By emphasizing development aid that won't dry up at the next US dispute with Pakistan, the senators hope to rebuild Pakistani trust – and build up a poor region, helping to drive out extremist Islam.

Many Pakistanis resent America's support for the military rule of Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who was spurned in February elections. They blame the US for the growing strength of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, saying it failed to finish them off at Tora Bora in 2001 and then got distracted in Iraq.

Passing the bill can help reverse this attitude, much as US aid for Pakistanis in the 2005 earthquake created a surge of goodwill toward America. But the legislation, which has support from the White House, must be viewed as just one rounding of the bend on the way to a reduced terrorist threat.

Other challenges include a Pakistani government in disarray; a triangle of suspicion involving Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India; and Pakistani security forces ill-suited to counterinsurgency. All of these factors contribute to Pakistan's intermittent and ineffective dealings with the terrorist infestation.

The US is making a more serious effort with Pakistan. A week from today, Pakistan's new prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gillani, is to meet with President Bush. Mr. Gillani should acknowledge this US effort and show that he, too, is more serious about the border region.
 

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