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This 911 family member never saw the video from the helicopter. We got the bastards. If the video checks out clean, it's time for to clean house.

Tell me what you see. Seeing is believing, unless the implications are so sinister you go into brain lock.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 08:10:17 am »
good afternoon, it is very interresting but i am not a video specialist. Anyway, there was surveillance camera all over the place watching the pentagon and they could only release those poor pictures. What a joke! I start to believe that the N.W.O have dumb down so much the people that they can't find clever slaves to do their dirty works anymore!:-)
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 08:22:16 am »
out of 86 CCTV recordings they only released the two we all know exist, and dismissed the rest - the 2 they released probably were edited. I'm not convinced by this helicopter footage either. What helicopter? who owns said helicopter? the media? where can the raw footage be found? My initial feeling is that it isn't solid enough evidence, some confirmation of authenticity would be great - google searching brings nothing up.  ???

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 08:27:53 am »
The helicopter footage is interesting, but where did it come from? This is the first I have seen this footage, and I have a problem with it. Though there may be a technical explanation, the fire/flames from the "missle impact" moves insync with the camera aboard the helicopter! The whole "flame" moves, while the building remains stationary, with the camera slighty to the left, just a tad, but if you look close, it does appear to move as the camera kinds jiggles to the left slightly.

My gut tells me this "missle footage" is a fake. Putting out false video to make a point and draw attention to the truth is never acceptable. This footage needs extremely close scrutiny.
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 09:51:37 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkHrtwDRKc&feature=related

Chew on it lefty. If this video is legit, we got the baby killers, and the Patriots can begin to build a hangman's scaffle.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 09:56:54 am »
Chew on it? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying the link you provide is verification to dispel my feels? Sorry, that doesn't cut it my friend. If it can be proven real, great, off to court we go, but the poster says they don't know the origin of the footage. That doesn't cut it in a court of law!

Exceptional claims require exceptional proof. That's just he way it works. We cannot afford them any wiggle room to dispute the evidence.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 10:00:43 am »
Chew on it? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying the link you provide is verification to dispel my feels? Sorry, that doesn't cut it my friend. If it can be proven real, great, off to court we go, but the poster says they don't know the origin of the footage. That doesn't cut it in a court of law!

Exceptional claims require exceptional proof. That's just he way it works. We cannot afford them any wiggle room to dispute the evidence.

Agreed 100%. The explosion doesn't look right at all. Don't get me wrong I genuinely hope it isn't faked but skepticism tells me it is...

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 10:05:12 am »
Here's an investigation into the helicopter / white jet - the pics do show a helicopter of some sort...

http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/Pentagonhelicopter.htm
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These photos were taken from the Sheraton Hotel after the crash.   In an email the photographer identified the helicopter as a military helicopter. The helicopter rapidly exited the Pentagon airspace obviously not there for good deeds. The early smoke development corroborates the time:

That's the only clear pic, the rest are taken from the officially released pentagon tapes but only show a 'blurry object'.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 10:33:08 am »
Great footage. In the second part where you can clearly the object impacting the Pentagon, it is obvious that this NOT a commercial airliner of any kind. It doesn't appear to be an unmanned drone, either, so it has to be a cruise missile.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 10:51:10 am »
in the last part of the footage that the guy is talking about- would a 'missle' flame be THAT bright from THAT far away?  I spent 20 y rs in the military, but not in munitions.

the rest...in the earlier parts of the video... hmmm, I don't know... seems convincing, but at the very least it begs the question "Why if this was so easy to find, did it take 7 years and is SO easy to see with the video editing software?"

Guess we'll have to see if it gets debunked, or if it's already been debunked.  But my first reaction is not to react and believe this is "proof", but to 'respond' and try to figure out if this is legit.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 10:59:05 am »
Agreed 100%. The explosion doesn't look right at all. Don't get me wrong I genuinely hope it isn't faked but skepticism tells me it is...

What is "extraordinary" is the threats people get when they come forward. This list is a very long one.

The criminal demeanor of this baby killing, war criminal administration is unbelievable.  

Do you think the inside job boys are going fess up and dance to the hangman in song?

No these thug baby killers are going to deal in threats, and they will deal in death. They killed 3000 on 911 and over a million in Iraq and do you think they give a rat's arse about you?

They have the ability to murder you and deem it a suicide. And they don't play around. Their story about an airliner hitting is incredulous.

What is "extraordinary" is we got the tape on youtube in the first place.

It should not be too hard to figure out who the helicopter pilots were in the air that day and find him.

Still, there are many ways to skin a cat. You don't need the pilot worried about his pension, or health. All you need is the original tape.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, it's a duck.

The missile video fits everything we know about the attack. It looks good to me, and if Truthers can verify it to be legit, stick a fork in the Bushnik neocons, they're done.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2008, 11:05:49 am »
If this is real, I want to know who released it or who got the Pentagon to release it.  Otherwise...it's fake.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2008, 11:07:39 am »
I actually saw this vid a couple months ago and just dismissed it as a fake - don't believe the hype kids. sources sources sources!

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2008, 11:13:50 am »
This guy could easily be 'manipulating' the video on his PC himself.

I remain firmly in the camp that Flight 77 never hit the Pentagon, but I need more than this type of...'evidence' to claim; "We got the bastards".
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2008, 11:29:53 am »
This guy could easily be 'manipulating' the video on his PC himself.

I remain firmly in the camp that Flight 77 never hit the Pentagon, but I need more than this type of...'evidence' to claim; "We got the bastards".

I assume the tape is a military one and if I was a Bushnik, I would want to know who dished this off to youtube. Whoever did it is in big danger.

He has got to go public and bring the tape to light for safety. If he doesn't his life isn't worth a plug nickel.

If the tape proves legit, yes we got the bastards. Everything unwinds because if the tape proves the Bushnik baby killers to be liars, everything they claimed is worthless.

I suspect more "flips" coming from the ranks of the baby killers in the weeks ahead with more videos coming to surface.




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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2008, 11:35:08 am »
I still believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
The question isn't whether we are right or wrong, the question is, are we even in the conversation??

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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2008, 11:40:41 am »
why so David?

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2008, 11:50:48 am »
why so David?

I believe it went in on the ground floor, hence the reason it collapsed afterward. It didn't touch the lawn, hence no marks on the lawn. It hit an almost solid wall and, for the most part disintergrated, hence no seats/bodiesluggage wreckage. I think that the footage they released is purposely meant to mislead so as to trap people into saying it wasn't a plane so they can later release the real footage and burn us down. 
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2008, 11:52:58 am »
Flight 77 must have been loaded with special 'vaporization' fuel...yeah...that would explain it.
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2008, 11:56:25 am »
I believe it went in on the ground floor, hence the reason it collapsed afterward. It didn't touch the lawn, hence no marks on the lawn. It hit an almost solid wall and, for the most part disintergrated, hence no seats/bodiesluggage wreckage. I think that the footage they released is purposely meant to mislead so as to trap people into saying it wasn't a plane so they can later release the real footage and burn us down. 

What about all the bodies?
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2008, 12:05:52 pm »
What about all the bodies?

Think about it, at that speed there isn't going to be any bodies left. Have you see the NASA (?) footage of the jumbo jet purposely crashed into a concrete wall? The whole plane disintergrates, there's nothing left afterwards. And why would the planners of 911 risk firing a missile? It only takes one single random person with a video camera or a camera to film/photo the missile and the whole operation is exposed as an inside job. Why would they take that risk when they could just fly the plane into the Pentagon quite easily? Come on, they wouldn't. And there's a big difference between disintergrate and vapourise. 
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2008, 12:11:32 pm »
Think about it, at that speed there isn't going to be any bodies left. Have you see the NASA (?) footage of the jumbo jet purposely crashed into a concrete wall? The whole plane disintergrates, there's nothing left afterwards. And why would the planners of 911 risk firing a missile? It only takes one single random person with a video camera or a camera to film/photo the missile and the whole operation is exposed as an inside job. Why would they take that risk when they could just fly the plane into the Pentagon quite easily? Come on, they wouldn't. And there's a big difference between disintergrate and vapourise. 

Why a missile? You got to be kidding. The physics of flight dictate a jet could never have done it.
Nothing left? Dude, physics 101, nothing is destroyed, it is just rearranged.
A random camera? Dude, there were hundreds of cameras that day. They didn't release one of them that belonged to the Pentagon.
There is a big difference between a idiot and numbskull, but you are somewhere in between.

Where are the engines? Everything that they picked up is classified secret under national security and have been carted to a vault in a mountain.

Chirst the criminal demeanor of the administration is unbelievable.

How can the American public trust this Bushnik, two passport carrying, tin foil yarmulkes, to protect us when they can't even protect the Pentagon?

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2008, 12:39:45 pm »

There is a big difference between a idiot and numbskull, but you are somewhere in between.


that's a bit harsh dude

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2008, 06:40:37 pm »
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Ah, yes the missile at the pentagon. There is no proof and no reason to believe a missile hit the pentagon, but edited clip after edited clip still convinces folks.

Edited clip of Jamie McIntire...edited clip of Mike Walter. And this is the most lame one of them all.

This video was a fake when it was uploaded in 2006.

It was a fake in 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fumivnGTPE

And guess what?  It's still a fake. Not only is "the missile" approaching from the wrong direction (internal damage verifies the angle it came from).....


It also hit the wrong spot....notice the helipad.....


But the fact that the retard leaves his mouse curser over this "helicopter video" should have tipped you off right from the start.
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2008, 07:42:46 pm »
Think about it, at that speed there isn't going to be any bodies left. Have you see the NASA (?) footage of the jumbo jet purposely crashed into a concrete wall? The whole plane disintergrates, there's nothing left afterwards.

True, however with the Pentagon this so-called "Disintegrating Plane" also Somehow managed to penetrate 3 rings of the Pentagon through a density more than 10x that of the concrete wall that Nasa Used, how do you explain this?

Also, in referance to this new footage, make note of this.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/jassm/index.html

It's Stealth, Has a 400 Mile Range, and can be outfitted for bunker penetration.
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2008, 07:57:45 pm »
The physics of flight dictate a jet could never have done it.

Thats absurd, its like saying a plane can't land.

Nothing left? Dude, physics 101, nothing is destroyed, it is just rearranged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96phB4fIk7E&feature=related

A random camera? Dude, there were hundreds of cameras that day. They didn't release one of them that belonged to the Pentagon.

I was talking about if a member of the public took a photo of the missile, then the whole op would have been exposed.

There is a big difference between a idiot and numbskull, but you are somewhere in between.

Now do you really think that name calling strengthens your case? We're not at school here my friend.

Where are the engines? Everything that they picked up is classified secret under national security and have been carted to a vault in a mountain.

And? That proves absolutely nothing either way.
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2008, 08:04:37 pm »
True, however with the Pentagon this so-called "Disintegrating Plane" also Somehow managed to penetrate 3 rings of the Pentagon through a density more than 10x that of the concrete wall that Nasa Used, how do you explain this?

Also, in referance to this new footage, make note of this.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/jassm/index.html

It's Stealth, Has a 400 Mile Range, and can be outfitted for bunker penetration.

Just give me one good reason why they would go to the trouble of having to make a plane dissappear (Flight 77) and then disguise a missile as a plane (??) (or whatever you think they did) and fly it in unnoticed when they could just fly Flight 77 into the Pentagon? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2008, 08:06:29 pm »
Qui Bono?
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2008, 08:37:59 pm »
That missile video... 100% fake. The shadows are ALL WRONG. The missile vid shows the pentagon much later in the day. The south wall would not be lit up like that at the time the pentagon was hit.



Find these square pillars in this pic on google earth and see for yourselves.. the shadows are all wrong.
Why would anyone, who considers their child the most precious thing in the world, let a doctor, they don't even know or trust, inject their child with a substance they know nothing about ?? Just because a government, who they know doesn't give a shit about them, says it's safe.. THAT is insanity

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2008, 10:51:14 pm »
Thats absurd, its like saying a plane can't land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96phB4fIk7E&feature=related

I was talking about if a member of the public took a photo of the missile, then the whole op would have been exposed.
 
Now do you really think that name calling strengthens your case? We're not at school here my friend.

And? That proves absolutely nothing either way.


Ok no name calling Mr. Absurd.
 
OK, time for class. Take notes this will be on the coming test.

"Going 500 mph Could Not Have Hit the Pentagon A Few Feet Off the Ground
The basic idea is a Boeing 757 is simply not designed to fly so fast so close to the ground and simply can't do it. This is because of the huge lift created under this huge plane going so fast. Not to mention there is an effect called "downwash", where the plane creates a huge suction under it as it flies. This would have picked up everything that was under a 757 and thrown it in all directions-- for instance cable spools and electrical generators.

This basically demolishes the official Pentagon story."

Listen to the 6-6-2005 interview with Nila Sagdevan here for details.http://911verses.com/underground/

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2008, 11:07:44 pm »
That missile video... 100% fake. The shadows are ALL WRONG. The missile vid shows the pentagon much later in the day. The south wall would not be lit up like that at the time the pentagon was hit.



Find these square pillars in this pic on google earth and see for yourselves.. the shadows are all wrong.

How does finding the pic on Google Earth prove anything? Shadows move with the sun and the pics on Google Earth are not in real time. Some of them are years old. The suns path across the sky also changes over time, so you'll never find a photo of the Pentagon taken before or since that day that will have the shadows falling at the same angle and being of the same length.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2008, 11:55:14 pm »
True, however with the Pentagon this so-called "Disintegrating Plane" also Somehow managed to penetrate 3 rings of the Pentagon through a density more than 10x that of the concrete wall that Nasa Used, how do you explain this?

Are you sure about that? The pentagon was not constructed the way you think it was.



http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/punchout.html
These sections of the Pentagon show that the light wells between all but one pair of adjacent rings only went down to the base of the third floor. Thus, contrary to frequent assumptions, the first-floor span between the E-ring facade and the exterior wall of the C-ring punctured by the 'punch-out' hole was not interrupted by any masonry walls

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/118.html

This has all pretty much already been beaten to death at the pentagon sticky thread
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2008, 11:58:49 pm »
If you think he was manipulating the video try it for yourself get quicktime and just test it, not a hard solution if he wasn't manipulating it then its a duck.
I'm easily convinced because I'm lazy and besides everyone says I'm nutz anyway for believing 911 was an inside job so even if i brought you a confession on tape a lawyer type mind would destroy me but now we all aren't lawyers (thank god) I have this cool thing called commen sense it works pretty good most of the time. I don't need a judge to tell me what I should think. Thats the whole problem everyone wants the Law to tell them whats right or wrong. We have minds lets use them folks.
This is a very convincing video as its not the first time this video was debunked they have already proved its been doctored. So whats so hard to believe about this. Don't let these CIA people take away your common sense use it for yourself, think for yourselves. They can put out all the miss information they want on these forums but they can't tell you what to think, you still have that right don't give it up.
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2008, 01:09:37 am »
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Ah, yes the missile at the pentagon. There is no proof and no reason to believe a missile hit the pentagon, but edited clip after edited clip still convinces folks.

Edited clip of Jamie McIntire...edited clip of Mike Walter. And this is the most lame one of them all.

This video was a fake when it was uploaded in 2006.

It was a fake in 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fumivnGTPE

And guess what?  It's still a fake. Not only is "the missile" approaching from the wrong direction (internal damage verifies the angle it came from).....


It also hit the wrong spot....notice the helipad.....


But the fact that the retard leaves his mouse curser over this "helicopter video" should have tipped you off right from the start.


Nice job Jim...I am inclined to agree with you...it appears the missile hits the wrong spot and does not match up with the burn mark on the grass...

Ironic, for reasons of National Security, all of the Pentagon tapes are sealed.

If the government is rogue, as a majority of the public in recent polls now believe. The public has a right to review all the Pentagon tapes for National Security reasons.

Perfect Orwellian 1984 double think in action.

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2008, 05:22:55 am »
How does finding the pic on Google Earth prove anything? Shadows move with the sun and the pics on Google Earth are not in real time. Some of them are years old. The suns path across the sky also changes over time, so you'll never find a photo of the Pentagon taken before or since that day that will have the shadows falling at the same angle and being of the same length.

Once you've found the pillars on google earth you can work out where the sun was at the moment of impact according to the pentagon footage. The sun was in the East... NOT in the south like in the 'missile vid'.

Please, use your brain......
Why would anyone, who considers their child the most precious thing in the world, let a doctor, they don't even know or trust, inject their child with a substance they know nothing about ?? Just because a government, who they know doesn't give a shit about them, says it's safe.. THAT is insanity

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2008, 07:22:49 am »
Once you've found the pillars on google earth you can work out where the sun was at the moment of impact according to the pentagon footage. The sun was in the East... NOT in the south like in the 'missile vid'.

Please, use your brain......

First of all, in the missile vid, you can't see the pillars at all, nor can you see any shadows cast by objects on the ground. Second, we are in the NORTHERN hemisphere. While the sun does move east to west in the sky, it is also to the south at the same time. Why do you think when they mount solar panels on the roofs of houses, they always mount them on the southern exposure? It is because that is the side that receives the most sunlight because it faces the path of the sun

 Try using your brain...

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2008, 07:23:44 am »
Ok no name calling Mr. Absurd.
 
OK, time for class. Take notes this will be on the coming test.

"Going 500 mph Could Not Have Hit the Pentagon A Few Feet Off the Ground
The basic idea is a Boeing 757 is simply not designed to fly so fast so close to the ground and simply can't do it. This is because of the huge lift created under this huge plane going so fast. Not to mention there is an effect called "downwash", where the plane creates a huge suction under it as it flies. This would have picked up everything that was under a 757 and thrown it in all directions-- for instance cable spools and electrical generators.

This basically demolishes the official Pentagon story."

Listen to the 6-6-2005 interview with Nila Sagdevan here for details.http://911verses.com/underground/

Oh the Coinintel boys are still out there.

Agreed. The way that plane would have had to manuver, to get in position to fly that distance low to the ground long enough to hit the building in level flight just isn't possible, not even considering the physics of highspeed low flight. But I agree with that too, as the physics of flight won't allow a plane of that type to fly that low at that high a speed. Ain't happening!

When in the Navy as a "TD" I worked on fighter jet simulators the naval pilots trained on at NAS Oceana. I put hours and hours of "seat time" in that simulator as part of my job to make sure it was working like it was designed. My particular trainer was for the F-4 and F-14 air combat "dogfight" training. I was trained by the Navy in flight theory and characteristics, and even a Tomcat would have an extremely hard time doing what they say an airliner did, and that with a highly trained fighter pilot at the stick! I know that for a fact.

There is no way, no how an airliner hit the Pentagon.

But here's the real rub. While you protesting and making claims about "what" flew into the building, "who" is responsible for preventing such a thing from happening walks scottfree, as evidenced by the authorities withholding evidence, including video and all the assembled plane parts they claim they found at the site along with part verifications, that has no reasonable explanation for being kept "confidential for national security". That's hogwash!

Yeah, the "national security reasons" is that if the public finds out what really happened, this country would go ballistic and those thugs know it. Also consider that there has been no reprecussions against those that were responsible for our security that day, civilian and military. There were abject failures all over the place, and all that seems ignored. Why?
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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2008, 10:50:41 am »
You're no Columbo are you truthhunter.  :D :D Jeeeze. It's like trying to tell you 7 + 3 = 10, but you're telling me 3 doesn't exist. No fret, my 6 year old understood.  ;D
Why would anyone, who considers their child the most precious thing in the world, let a doctor, they don't even know or trust, inject their child with a substance they know nothing about ?? Just because a government, who they know doesn't give a shit about them, says it's safe.. THAT is insanity

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Re: Pentagon Video (Helicopter) We got the bastards! It was a missle!
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2008, 11:40:06 am »
I think it's accurate too.

Claiming a missile hit the pentagon is only hurting the 9/11 truth movement. People point to it as proof "truthers" are not telling the truth and the movement is a fraud. Wake up, and realize it's BS started by webfairy, Nico, and the other no planers, it was the starting point for the BS "no plane" theory.

claim: It penetrated 6 walls and 3 rings and a plane couldn't do that.
Truth: it didn't. The construction of the pentagon proves it went through two walls.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/118.html

Claim: CNN reporter Jamie Mcintyre reports no plane crashed near the pentagon, and no parts were found.
Truth: he reported on the crash of the plane and described parts of it. he was responding to a question of a report that a plane crashed near the pentagon not at it.
the edited clip: http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/index.html
Notice who has been promoting this from the start? webfairy the "no plane princess"
the unedited clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlBpChvzD8

What McIntyre thinks of this... http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/05/16/transcript.wed/
MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN in which I -- myself -- appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. In fact, I was answering a question based on a eyewitness account who thought the American Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicated there was no crash site near the pentagon only at the Pentagon

MCINTYRE: In fact there were thousands of tiny pieces of the plane, and I personally photographed a piece of the fuselage and what appeared to be part of the cockpit.


Edited clips make truthers look like liars. I don't think this helps a 9/11 truth movement

claim: witnesses describe a missile
truth: there were in fact lots of witnesses-it happened in broad daylight during rush hour traffic in a heavily populated area, which common sense would tell you they wouldn't fire a missile. People would see what happened. People did see what happened and every single witness describes a plane. An edited clip of Mike Walter is used for this claim, where he is in in fact describing an American Airlines passenger jet. Some "truthers" then claim he is then "in on it" which not only makes truthers look like liars but rather repulsive ones.
Clip: where truthers claim M Walter is a liar who "changed his story"
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/452570/september_11_pentagon_eye_witness_mike_walter_changes_his_story/
truth: he never changed his story. Truthers did. which makes them liars, isn't it time to stop destroying the truth movement with this BS?

Unedited clip:
 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1jqaz_pentagon-eyewitness-mike-walter_news

claim: engine parts were not found nor were other parts recovered
truth: engine parts were found and other parts were recovered
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/110.html
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/081.html
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/084.html
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/082.html

Claim: videos from the hotel and citgo station were never released
truth: video from hotel and citgo station were released
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJvFjsl6zk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H285_DWX_bQ

claim: a passenger jet cannot fly that fast a few feet off the ground
truth: passenger jets can fly a few feet off the ground otherwise they couldn't take off or land. The claim that it couldn't fly that fast that low is false as it was descending and only flew a few feet off the ground for the last second or two

Claim: witnesses all(yes every single one of them) confused a passenger jet with a missile.
truth: take a look at this video and ask yourself if that is a realistic claim...
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/eye.html

Claim: officials were secretly carting off evidence hidden under a blue tarp
truth: it's just one of several tents brought into the area
http://www.rense.com/general70/bluett.htm

not to mention the lamp poles being knocked down could only be from a large aircraft....

All this easily debunked nonsense takes away from the real smoking guns at the pentagon.

The fact that the military knew we were under attack and hijacked planes were flying into buildings. And an hour after the first plane flew into the WTC (8:46 am) the military headquarters was hit(9:37 am). This is preposterous, and proves a stand down and gee whiz the area that was hit was the least populated area since that was where the construction was just finishing up to reinforce it against bombs(or a plane)hitting it. Gee...the area, that was the direct opposite side of where the high ranking officers (and Rumsfield) were at..and if you wanted to hit the pentagon the easiest and most effective way that would kill the most people and do the most damage would be just to dive into it, but instead a horrible pilot makes this incredible maneuver to slide into the first floor of the least important and least populated area of the pentagon an incredible pinpoint accurate hit by an incredibly horrible pilot. Maybe you should focus attention on that fact rather than an easily debunked missile theory that goes against common sense if you think about it. The perps knew no one would have caught it on video or camera? How did they know that? They didn't. There is no point in promoting this easily debunked theory that is backed up by no evidence, only lies and edited clips. How is that beneficial to a truth movement?
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