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British intel: China preparing for nuclear war
« on: May 12, 2008, 10:36:14 pm »

British intel: China preparing for nuclear war

Analysts say Beijing getting ready for ops beyond Far East

Posted: May 10, 2008

LONDON – Defense analysts for the British intelligence service MI6 believe China is preparing for the "eventuality of a nuclear war." The conclusion follows evidence that Beijing has built secretly a major naval base deep inside caverns which even sophisticated satellites cannot penetrate, says a report in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

In an unusual development, the analysts have provided details to the specialist defense periodical, Jane's Intelligence Review, which published satellite images of the base location which is hidden beneath millions of tons of rock on the South China Sea island of Hainan.

The MI6 analysts have confirmed the submarine base hewn out of the rock will contain up to 20 of the latest C94 Jin-Class submarines, each capable of firing anti-satellite missiles and nuclear tipped rockets.

Knocking out the satellites would leave Taiwan, Japan and other countries around the Pacific Rim effectively without a key warning system. An attack also would disrupt vital communications between U.S. battle squadrons in the region and Washington.

Satellite images studied by GCHQ, Britain's spy in the sky intelligence gathering organization based at Cheltenham that works closely with the U.S. National Security Agency, have confirmed the entrance to the base is through no fewer than 11 separate tunnel openings.

A Royal Navy nuclear submarine, one of those in the Typhoon Fleet, now has joined another from the U.S. Pacific Fleet to build up a clear image of what is happening inside the secret base which, as well as China's nuclear subs, could house "a host of aircraft carriers."

Naval intelligence officers in London and Washington have confirmed the discovery of the base will present "a significant challenge to U.S. naval dominance and protection to countries ringing the South China Sea."

The base is sited at Sanya on the southern tip of Hainan island. The island came to the attention of Western intelligence in April 2001, when a U.S. EP-3 spy plane trying to test the island's electronic defenses was forced to land there by Chinese fighters, one of which crashed in the sea killing the pilot.

A Ministry of Defense analyst, who cannot be named for security reasons, believes "this could be the prelude to China preparing for a nuclear response."

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Re: British intel: China preparing for nuclear war
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 10:53:39 pm »
Secret Sanya - China's new nuclear naval base revealed

21 April 2008
China is constructing a major underground nuclear submarine base near Sanya, on Hainan Island off its southern coast, Jane's can confirm. Although Asian military sources have disclosed this fact to Jane's since 2002, high-resolution commercially available satellite imagery from DigitalGlobe allows independent verification of the previous suggestions.

The extent of construction indicates the Sanya base (also known as Yulin) could become a key future base for People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) aircraft carriers and other power-projection ships. In December 2007, perhaps in concert with a major PLAN exercise the previous month, the PLA moved its first Type 094 second-generation nuclear ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) to Sanya.

An underground submarine base and the positioning of China's most advanced sub-surface combatants at Sanya would have implications for China's control of the South China Sea and the strategically vital straits in the area. Further satellite imagery suggests the construction of Sanya has been supported by a gradual military build-up in the Paracel Islands over the last 20 years, and the transformation of the Chinese-occupied features in the Spratly Island group into assets that could support a range of military operations.

China's nuclear and naval build-up at Sanya underlines Beijing's desire to assert tighter control over this region. China's increasing dependence on imported petroleum and mineral resources has contributed to an intensified Chinese concern about defending its access to vital sea lanes, particularly to its south. It is this concern that in large part is driving China's development of power-projection naval forces such as aircraft carriers and long-range nuclear submarines.

China has pursued this build-up at Sanya with little fanfare, offering no public explanations regarding its plan to base nuclear weapons or advanced naval platforms there.

For both regional and extra-regional powers, it will be difficult to ignore that China is now building a major naval base at Sanya and may be preparing to house and protect a large proportion of its nuclear forces here, and even operate them from this base. This development so close to the Southeast Asian sea lanes so vital to the economies of Asia can only cause concern far beyond these straits.

Image: Digital imagery has confirmed Sanya's place as a major future Chinese naval base.

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Re: British intel: China preparing for nuclear war
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 11:27:51 pm »
Agencie French Presse has just posted an article on this base:

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2008, 12:43:05 am »
 NEW DELHI: China’s military upgradation has set off alarm bells in the military establishment with the Navy maintaining that it would keep a close watch on the movement of Chinese nuclear submarines housed at the underground submarine base on the Hainan Island in South China Sea.

Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta, who earlier expressed concerns on the base, said on Friday that China transports a lot of oil through the Indian Ocean and has been quite keen on attaining quick access to the region. ``Chinese are very keen to have presence in the Indian Ocean and there is no doubt they wish to be there. They did not have the assets till now,” the Navy chief was quoted as saying. ``When it is a nuclear submarine, it does not matter if the base is 100 or 200 miles away,” the navy chief was quoted as saying. He admitted that Indian and Chinese interests lay in keeping maritime trade routes safe.

India is rattled by China’s growing military presence in its backyard. Even though China is unlikely to take a confrontational approach, its growing military prowess remains a long term military threat for India.

But even countries that don’t seemingly have a direct stake like India are concerned about the growing might of the Chinese military. Even a country like Norway is concerned by China’s dramatic upgradation of its military capabilities. Visiting Norwegian deputy defence minister Espen Barth Eide, who was in China just two months ago, said that his concerns on the underground base also centered around what China proposed to do with its blue water navy.

Mr Eide, who has been on a mission to understand the character of the Indian and Chinese military, said that China was in the midst of transforming the character of its military forces. ``They are clearly in transition from a large static, anti-invasion force to a more deployable force,’’ said the Norwegian minister. Talking about his interaction with the Chinese, he said: ``We had discussions on the nature of the transformation... it’s not expansionist but to increase autonomous capacity to look after their interests in the region.’’

It was recently revealed that China is building a harbour that can dock a large number nuclear submarines equipped with ballistic missiles and aircraft carriers at the Sanya base on southern tip of Hainan island. The revelation caused ripples around the world. The Norwegian defence minister said there should be more transparency on China’s defence programme.

``We would like to see more transparency we think its good to state your intention,’’ he said
Reports emanating from China, which is a signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, also confirmed that Beijing is quickly upgrading its nuclear capability. An agency report quoted a leading arms expert Bates Gill, director of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, as saying that recent upgrades have increased the accuracy and mobility of China’s arsenal and that a switch from liquid to solid fuel has shortened reaction times.

“China stands out in its effort to modernize, expand and improve its nuclear weapons capability,” said Mr Gill. China’s military upgradation comes at a time when a non-proliferation wave is sweeping the west. Mr Gill also pointed out that though China has the smallest nuclear arsenal among the five main nuclear weapon powers, it is the most actively building up its nuclear force.


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Re: British intel: China preparing for nuclear war
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 01:24:19 am »
Now who was that hero member that earlier today posted that China had no navy?,,,I chuckled then too.

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Re: British intel: China preparing for nuclear war
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 04:22:53 am »
This is clearly nonsense.China have had nuclear submarines for 34 years.If they have subs{Han Class}then they have already had a nuclear base for 34 years.Even if they were building a new class of sub they are perfectly allowed to do just that,there is no reason for any secrecy.Are we expected to believe that refits will also be done underground because this place has no dry docks.I have spent over 30 years working on nuclear subs and i am laughing my ass off.If only it were that simple,turn off the ignition switch and drag them up a cave.Think about what a nuclear reactor is,you don,t just switch them off.What about when you refuel them?.Just plain Stupid!

America has nearly 70 nuclear subs of the highest quality whereas China have never been able to take theirs out of Chinese waters basically because they are crap.The American Navy compared to the Chinese Navy is like David and Goliath.This is puerile asinine scaremongering.China might one day get a nuclear sub that actually works,just what is the big deal in that when America have more nuclear subs than every Nato country plus Russia and China combined.