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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2008, 05:43:47 am »
I think if the NWO was to create an earthquake in China they would of waited to do it during the Olympics.

What makes you think they aren't waiting?

Or maybe aren't thinking about doing it during the Olympics?


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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2008, 06:53:10 am »
Alright guys, something's very suspicious here. I'm sure most of you know that the cyclone that hit Myanmar strongly damaged the country's ability to produce rice. With current rice prices which are capable of starving millions around the world that's very bad news. We know how Kissinger wanted to use food as a weapon against "overpopulated" nations". I've pointed out before how most famines are brought about thanks to globalist institutions like the World Bank and the IMF:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=34284.msg144211#msg144211
Well, guess where the Chinese Earthquake hit, right in the center of Sichuan, the Chinese province that exports more rice and wheat than any other province in China: http://www.hktdc.com/mktprof/china/mpsic.htm
What do you think happened to that year round rice production after an Earthquake hits which killed tens of thousand's of people and in some places destroyed 80% of all buildings? It stops. Don't just take my word for it, read it yourself:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nos.nl%2Fnosjournaal%2Fartikelen%2F2008%2F5%2F13%2F130508_garrie_interview.html&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&sl=nl&tl=en
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The rijstschuur China: what does this earthquake with the price of rice?
The food prices in China rise at this time just as strong as in the rest of the world. China is concerned about the rice production in Sichuan, which is now fully suspended. This winter the south of China had to do with a severe winter, making the harvest in that region will greatly outcomes. This earthquake probably even more pressure on the price of rice, and the risk of inflation is thus very high.
Guess what guys, the biggest rice producing province in China just stopped producing rice. Either these "natural" disasters come at the worst time possible at the worst location possible by coincidence or there's foul play involved.

"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world." -Henry Kissinger

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2008, 07:33:03 am »
You speak without doing any research.  YOU are the one peddling disinfo.  It's admitted in the Eastlund patent that HAARP can cause earthquakes.  Where do you think that energy goes after it bounces off the ionosphere??  It goes into the earth, penetrating everything in its path along the way, including humans.  Why do you think it can also be used for mass mind control?  If you can send enough EM energy into the earth, you can trigger a massive earthquake.

It is an admitted fact that HAARP can create earthquakes. 

Get your facts straight before you call disinfo next time.

This is basic knowledge to anyone who knows anything about HAARP and EM weaponry.  It's common knowledge HAARP can cause earthquakes.

Read Nick Begich's book.



Give me a break... without doing any research.  Riiiight.

Radio waves DO NOT CAUSE EATHQUAKES.

Why do 50,000 watt radio stations not cause little tiny earthquakes daily then?

This is voodoo nonsense to think this.

Radiowaves from HAARP are tuned to the natural harmonic resonance with the ionosphere.  RADIO WAVES OF ANY INTENSITY DO NOTHING TO THE MINERALS OF THE EARTH'S CRUST.

It is clear that you do not understand energy transference of photons.

The energy transmitted by the radiowave photons is LEFT IN THE SKY, it does not relect back to earth.   If it did, the antennae would not be created by EXCITED GAS in the first place.  The energy is dissipated as heat, and sometimes light, by the particles accelerated up there.  That is to say, the radiowave photons are absorbed by ionspheric atoms, and as is natural for the over excited electrons of these atoms to do,  infrared (and rarely light) photons are the by product.

One other point.

The energy used to create HAARP antennae at first glance may seem impressive.  Gigawatts!!

Well...

The energy that would be needed to start an earthquake would dwarf this.  We are talking many magnitudes more than what HAARP uses, even if radio waves had a harmonic resonsance with granite and silica and whatever the earth's crust is made of.  The energy liberated in even a small quake is greater than all of the nuclear weapons of the entire planet many, many times over.
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2008, 08:01:54 am »
You guys need some serious waking up.

Have you ever heard of 'an act of God'?

Check your insurance contracts.

Give God credit where His credit's due.

Don't give the power to the NWO.
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2008, 08:13:01 am »
I think we all have to retain an open mind about these so-called 'natural events".

And what - or who - maybe - caused them to come about in the first place.

Watch out for a load more similar type natural events before the year's out!   ;)

I gotta feelin' the artificial - man-made - manipulation of such events is far - far - far - more advanced than any of us could ever imagine.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2008, 08:19:38 am »
I think we all have to retain an open mind about these so-called 'natural events".

And what - or who - maybe - caused them to come about in the first place.

Watch out for a load more similar type natural events before the year's out!   ;)

Maybe it was SIN that caused it.
Or HEATHENISM.

It's definitely not HAARP or NWO.

But NWO will certainly try to take advantage of it.

Or is it just geology with a city built on top of a major tectonic junction?
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« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2008, 08:20:18 am »
Alright guys, something's very suspicious here. I'm sure most of you know that the cyclone that hit Myanmar strongly damaged the country's ability to produce rice. With current rice prices which are capable of starving millions around the world that's very bad news. We know how Kissinger wanted to use food as a weapon against "overpopulated" nations". I've pointed out before how most famines are brought about thanks to globalist institutions like the World Bank and the IMF:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=34284.msg144211#msg144211
Well, guess where the Chinese Earthquake hit, right in the center of Sichuan, the Chinese province that exports more rice and wheat than any other province in China: http://www.hktdc.com/mktprof/china/mpsic.htm
What do you think happened to that year round rice production after an Earthquake hits which killed tens of thousand's of people and in some places destroyed 80% of all buildings? It stops. Don't just take my word for it, read it yourself:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nos.nl%2Fnosjournaal%2Fartikelen%2F2008%2F5%2F13%2F130508_garrie_interview.html&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&sl=nl&tl=enGuess what guys, the biggest rice producing province in China just stopped producing rice. Either these "natural" disasters come at the worst time possible at the worst location possible by coincidence or there's foul play involved.

"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world." -Henry Kissinger

By design? I think so.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2008, 08:29:56 am »
the Chinese Earthquake hit, right in the center of Sichuan, the Chinese province that exports more rice and wheat than any other province in China: http://www.hktdc.com/mktprof/china/mpsic.htm
What do you think happened to that year round rice production after an Earthquake hits which killed tens of thousand's of people and in some places destroyed 80% of all buildings? It stops. Don't just take my word for it, read it yourself:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nos.nl%2Fnosjournaal%2Fartikelen%2F2008%2F5%2F13%2F130508_garrie_interview.html&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&sl=nl&tl=enGuess what guys, the biggest rice producing province in China just stopped producing rice. Either these "natural" disasters come at the worst time possible at the worst location possible by coincidence or there's foul play involved.

There it is, the NWO trying to take advantage of any given situation.

Earthquakes do not halt rice production. Rice sways in the breeze and rocks with the earth.
Cities collapse. Urban dwellers do not grow rice, they eat it.

Earthquakes do not affect food production.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2008, 08:36:51 am »
Aftershocks rock China quake zone
 
 http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8F560BB8-532D-4481-A02F-E3B02D37AE11.htm

 
Soldiers in the city of Mianzu search for thousands believed to be buried in the rubble .

Powerful aftershocks have shaken China's southwestern province of Sichuan a day after a deadly earthquake killed at least 12,000 people, many of them children buried in the rubble of collapsed schools.

 

Thousands more are reported to be missing after the magnitude 7.9 quake hit on Monday afternoon and officials have warned the death toll is likely to rise much further.

 

State media reported on Tuesday afternoon that rescue workers had reached the epicentre in Wenchuan county.

 

Rescue workers say that 3,629 people have died in Mainying city, which lies close to the epicentre of the earthquake, according to Xinhua state news agency.

 

Up to 18,645 people are buried under debris in the city, Xinhua reported.

 

Al Jazeera correspondent Melissa Chan, who is in the quake zone, said soldiers had been parachuted into the area or had trekked in on foot after roads were blocked with fallen trees and boulders.

 

She said bad weather was making rescue work difficult and exacerbating landslides triggered by the quake.

 

With shocks continuing to hit the region, many survivors in the worst-hit areas have taken to living on the streets, afraid to return to possibly weakened buildings.

 

Rescue workers meanwhile are continuing to race against time, digging through tonnes of debris in the hope of finding survivors trapped in the rubble.

 

In the city of Mianzu, near to the quake epicentre, almost 5,000 people were believed to have been buried under the remains of collapsed buildings, Xinhua reported.

 

The magnitude 7.9 quake which struck on Monday was the most powerful to hit China in three decades.

 

The first tremor hit at 2:48pm local time (06:28 GMT) with its epicentre 92km northwest of Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan province.

 

Schools hit
 
Many of the victims were schoolchildren who were in class at the time the quake hit.

 

In the city of Dujiangyan close to the epicentre, rescuers were digging through the remains of a school, trying to locate 900 children who were in the building when it collapsed.

 

Chan said the bodies of at least 200 children had been pulled from the rubble of one collapsed school outside of Chengdu.

 

In the industrial city of Shifeng hundreds of people were buried and more than 6,000 evacuated after two chemical plants collapsed.

 

The collapse triggered a spill of about 80 tonnes of toxic ammonia.

 

Casualties have also been reported in the municipality of Chongqing, home to about 30 million people, which borders Sichuan province.

 

The massive Three Gorges Dam, located several hundred kilometres to the west of the quake zone, was not damaged, officials have said.

 

The United States, the European Union, Russia and Japan have all offered sympathy and pledges of help.

 

Taiwan has also offered to send emergency aid and rescue workers.

 

Soldiers deployed

 

 
The quake is the most powerful to hit China in three decades.

About 20,000 police and soldiers have been deployed to the disaster area, with Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, in the region to oversee recovery efforts.

 

"The situation is worse than we previously estimated and we need more people here to help," he said at the emergency co-ordination centre.

 

"So long as there's a glimmer of hope, we will make every effort. We will not rest."

 

Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, has called for an "all out" effort to rescue victims.

 

Monday's initial quake lasted for several minutes and was powerful enough to be felt across several cities in South-East Asia, including Bangkok, the Thai capital, more than 1,800km from the epicentre.

 

China's deadliest quake in recent memory hit the eastern city of Tangshan in 1976.

The magnitude 7.8 earthquake was followed by an equally powerful aftershock almost a day later; together they killed around 240,000 people.
 

 
 In depth: China quake
 

Students buried under rubble:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FEDABF20-9424-4147-A2A9-DC7CE38A1E7C.htm

Map: Quake disaster zone:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/245DB16C-E524-4DA0-92CD-7CCB124B15B7.htm

Pictures: Quake leaves devastation:
http://english.aljazeera.net/PhotoGallery/Aspx/Show.aspx?album=chinaquake

'No early warning signs':
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/06B982B6-C95E-4BDE-8C88-50218C226ECF.htm

Earthquakes: A quick guide:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/418ECA43-A7D5-4899-8B93-0742F64158CD.htm

Video: China and Myanmar, a tale of two disasters:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_E7R4srq3lU

Video: Desperate search for survivors:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_QewbOnbkcs

 
 

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2008, 08:59:18 am »
Alright guys, something's very suspicious here. I'm sure most of you know that the cyclone that hit Myanmar strongly damaged the country's ability to produce rice. With current rice prices which are capable of starving millions around the world that's very bad news. We know how Kissinger wanted to use food as a weapon against "overpopulated" nations". I've pointed out before how most famines are brought about thanks to globalist institutions like the World Bank and the IMF:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=34284.msg144211#msg144211
Well, guess where the Chinese Earthquake hit, right in the center of Sichuan, the Chinese province that exports more rice and wheat than any other province in China: http://www.hktdc.com/mktprof/china/mpsic.htm
What do you think happened to that year round rice production after an Earthquake hits which killed tens of thousand's of people and in some places destroyed 80% of all buildings? It stops. Don't just take my word for it, read it yourself:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nos.nl%2Fnosjournaal%2Fartikelen%2F2008%2F5%2F13%2F130508_garrie_interview.html&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&sl=nl&tl=enGuess what guys, the biggest rice producing province in China just stopped producing rice. Either these "natural" disasters come at the worst time possible at the worst location possible by coincidence or there's foul play involved.

"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world." -Henry Kissinger
http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/05/13/china-quake-update-markets-emerge-cx_jc_0513markets05.html
Forbes now also reporting this could cause food shortages.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2008, 09:12:00 am »
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/quake-wont-have-major-impact-on-chinas-economy-experts_10048296.html
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The agriculture ministry said Tuesday that agricultural losses from the quake “should not be underestimated” and it urged local officials to ensure supply and strengthen market monitoring of grains and fresh food.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2008, 09:30:02 am »
Breaking News


 China: Quake death toll tops 12,000


Story Highlights

NEW: More than 18,000 buried under rubble, death toll passes 12,000

NEW: China welcomes foreign aid, not workers because of transport issues

Province hit by nearly 30 seismic aftershock jolts 24 hours after quake

Nearly 900 children buried when a school building collapses, 50 bodies found

JIANGYOU, China (CNN) -- The death toll from the massive earthquake in central China exceeded 12,000 Tuesday, as rescue workers frantically tried to pull victims from the rubble and clear roads of debris so more relief can be delivered.

A senior official with the Sichuan Provincial government said Tuesday the death toll in the province has surpassed 12,000 and is rising, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

Li Chengyun, vice governor of Sichuan, said at a news conference Tuesday afternoon that the death toll was based on incomplete figures tallied by 4 p.m. (4 a.m. ET) Tuesday.

He said another 26,206 people were injured and as many as 3.5 million homes have been destroyed.

Xinhua also reported that more than 18,645 people were buried under rubble in the city of Mianyang alone. 3,629 people were also reported dead in the city, which neighbors the epicenter of the earthquake.

A string of nearly 30 seismic jolts hit the province in the first 24 hours following Monday's quake and slowed the progress of 1,300-strong rescue teams. All of those quakes were magnitude 4.0 and above.

A Chinese Civil Affairs Ministry official said his country welcomes foreign donations of money and materials, but it is not ready for outside teams of rescue and relief workers because its transportation system could not handle the additional traffic.

Roads blocked by rocks and mudslides had hampered the effort to reach the epicenter in Wenchuan County, forcing military doctors and soldiers to walk to reach the area almost 24 hours after the 7.9 magnitude earthquake shook central China, Xinhua said.

Chinese prime minister Wen Jiabao ordered the military to make it a priority to open the roads into Wenchuan County, home to about 100,000 people, by mid-day Tuesday. The premier arrived in the earthquake zone Monday to personally direct the relief efforts.

Several thousand additional soldiers should reach the area later Tuesday afternoon, Xinhua said.

Heavy rains forced the military to cancel plans to drop Chinese People's Liberation Army paratroopers into the Wenchuan area, Xinhua said. Bad weather also has grounded all helicopter relief efforts, the military said.

CNN's John Vause saw block after block of devastation in the town of Jiang You, about 60 miles (100 km) from the epicenter, arriving there about a day after the quake hit.Watch a report on misery inflicted by the quake »

"These people who live in the city are now hunkering down under tarpaulins and under tents," Vause said, as a steady drizzle added to the misery. "Many are afraid to go back indoors because their buildings are no longer safe."

Communications with survivors near the epicenter has been difficult because of broken telecommunication lines and poor weather. An official using a satellite phone did give an initial report that about a third of all buildings had collapsed and another third were seriously damaged, Xinhua said. Watch quake victim pulled out of rubble »

In Guixi Township --35 km (22 miles) from the epicenter -- thousands of residents huddled under makeshift tents and tarps, their only shelter from a steady rain Tuesday. Impact Your World

Row after row of houses collapsed during the earthquake, leaving people with no place to go. Many injured and hungry people wondered the streets, creating a scene of human misery. The roads to the town are open, but still no relief workers were around.

An expert told CNN the earthquake, which struck at 2:28 p.m. (2:28 a.m. ET) Monday, was the largest the region has seen "for over a generation."

The area is also the refuge for much of China's panda population. The fate of the 130 pandas housed at the Wolong Giant Panda Protection and Research Center was unknown, Xinhua reported.

President Bush said the United States is prepared to help China "in any way possible" in the quake's aftermath.

A top U.S. aid official said Beijing had not yet requested assistance.

The United States has search-and-rescue teams standing by in Virginia and California, said Ky Luu, the director of foreign disaster assistance for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Luu said Beijing has good disaster-response mechanisms of its own.

"The Chinese have a strong capability of responding," he said, adding that the United States doesn't want to displace the internal expertise. "There is a 72-hour window of opportunity and it may be best to support regional teams on the ground."

Some 20,000 Chinese troops have been deployed to the region, while another 24,000 are scheduled to be airlifted to affected areas, Xinhua reported. Another 3,000 police officers have been activated.

"It looks like they've mounted a pretty monumental effort to do the best that they can there," said Kate Janie, director of Mercy Corps, a humanitarian group channeling disaster aid to the region through a partner agency. "I think the Chinese government will make very active, proactive, transparent steps in dealing with this."

Zhenyao said 60,000 tents and 50,000 quilts have been dispatched to the disaster zone.

Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport reopened Tuesday after authorities inspected its runways for damage following the quake, Xinhua reported. The resumption of air service gives the province additional links for funneling supplies into the badly battered region.

A 40-car freight train, carrying 13 tankers full of gasoline, derailed and caught fire Monday in Gansu province, officials said, according to state-run media, cutting the Baoji-Chengdu railway.

Monday's quake shook the ground in Beijing, 950 miles (1,528 km) away. Residents of the capital, which hosts this year's Olympic Games in August, said they felt a rolling sensation that lasted about a minute. It resulted in the evacuation of thousands of people from Beijing buildings.

A spokesman for the Beijing Olympic Committee said no Olympic venues were affected.

CNN Correspondent John Vause contributed to this report.
 

 
 
 
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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2008, 09:56:41 am »
Breaking News


 China: Quake death toll tops 12,000


Story Highlights

NEW: More than 18,000 buried under rubble, death toll passes 12,000

NEW: China welcomes foreign aid, not workers because of transport issues

Province hit by nearly 30 seismic aftershock jolts 24 hours after quake

Nearly 900 children buried when a school building collapses, 50 bodies found

JIANGYOU, China (CNN) -- The death toll from the massive earthquake in central China exceeded 12,000 Tuesday, as rescue workers frantically tried to pull victims from the rubble and clear roads of debris so more relief can be delivered.

A senior official with the Sichuan Provincial government said Tuesday the death toll in the province has surpassed 12,000 and is rising, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

Li Chengyun, vice governor of Sichuan, said at a news conference Tuesday afternoon that the death toll was based on incomplete figures tallied by 4 p.m. (4 a.m. ET) Tuesday.

He said another 26,206 people were injured and as many as 3.5 million homes have been destroyed.

Xinhua also reported that more than 18,645 people were buried under rubble in the city of Mianyang alone. 3,629 people were also reported dead in the city, which neighbors the epicenter of the earthquake.

A string of nearly 30 seismic jolts hit the province in the first 24 hours following Monday's quake and slowed the progress of 1,300-strong rescue teams. All of those quakes were magnitude 4.0 and above.

A Chinese Civil Affairs Ministry official said his country welcomes foreign donations of money and materials, but it is not ready for outside teams of rescue and relief workers because its transportation system could not handle the additional traffic.

Roads blocked by rocks and mudslides had hampered the effort to reach the epicenter in Wenchuan County, forcing military doctors and soldiers to walk to reach the area almost 24 hours after the 7.9 magnitude earthquake shook central China, Xinhua said.

Chinese prime minister Wen Jiabao ordered the military to make it a priority to open the roads into Wenchuan County, home to about 100,000 people, by mid-day Tuesday. The premier arrived in the earthquake zone Monday to personally direct the relief efforts.

Several thousand additional soldiers should reach the area later Tuesday afternoon, Xinhua said.

Heavy rains forced the military to cancel plans to drop Chinese People's Liberation Army paratroopers into the Wenchuan area, Xinhua said. Bad weather also has grounded all helicopter relief efforts, the military said.

CNN's John Vause saw block after block of devastation in the town of Jiang You, about 60 miles (100 km) from the epicenter, arriving there about a day after the quake hit.Watch a report on misery inflicted by the quake »

"These people who live in the city are now hunkering down under tarpaulins and under tents," Vause said, as a steady drizzle added to the misery. "Many are afraid to go back indoors because their buildings are no longer safe."

Communications with survivors near the epicenter has been difficult because of broken telecommunication lines and poor weather. An official using a satellite phone did give an initial report that about a third of all buildings had collapsed and another third were seriously damaged, Xinhua said. Watch quake victim pulled out of rubble »

In Guixi Township --35 km (22 miles) from the epicenter -- thousands of residents huddled under makeshift tents and tarps, their only shelter from a steady rain Tuesday. Impact Your World

Row after row of houses collapsed during the earthquake, leaving people with no place to go. Many injured and hungry people wondered the streets, creating a scene of human misery. The roads to the town are open, but still no relief workers were around.

An expert told CNN the earthquake, which struck at 2:28 p.m. (2:28 a.m. ET) Monday, was the largest the region has seen "for over a generation."

The area is also the refuge for much of China's panda population. The fate of the 130 pandas housed at the Wolong Giant Panda Protection and Research Center was unknown, Xinhua reported.

President Bush said the United States is prepared to help China "in any way possible" in the quake's aftermath.

A top U.S. aid official said Beijing had not yet requested assistance.

The United States has search-and-rescue teams standing by in Virginia and California, said Ky Luu, the director of foreign disaster assistance for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Luu said Beijing has good disaster-response mechanisms of its own.

"The Chinese have a strong capability of responding," he said, adding that the United States doesn't want to displace the internal expertise. "There is a 72-hour window of opportunity and it may be best to support regional teams on the ground."

Some 20,000 Chinese troops have been deployed to the region, while another 24,000 are scheduled to be airlifted to affected areas, Xinhua reported. Another 3,000 police officers have been activated.

"It looks like they've mounted a pretty monumental effort to do the best that they can there," said Kate Janie, director of Mercy Corps, a humanitarian group channeling disaster aid to the region through a partner agency. "I think the Chinese government will make very active, proactive, transparent steps in dealing with this."

Zhenyao said 60,000 tents and 50,000 quilts have been dispatched to the disaster zone.

Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport reopened Tuesday after authorities inspected its runways for damage following the quake, Xinhua reported. The resumption of air service gives the province additional links for funneling supplies into the badly battered region.

A 40-car freight train, carrying 13 tankers full of gasoline, derailed and caught fire Monday in Gansu province, officials said, according to state-run media, cutting the Baoji-Chengdu railway.

Monday's quake shook the ground in Beijing, 950 miles (1,528 km) away. Residents of the capital, which hosts this year's Olympic Games in August, said they felt a rolling sensation that lasted about a minute. It resulted in the evacuation of thousands of people from Beijing buildings.

A spokesman for the Beijing Olympic Committee said no Olympic venues were affected.

CNN Correspondent John Vause contributed to this report.
 

 
 
 
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30,000 Buried in China Quake Debris; More Than 12,000 Confirmed Dead
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2008, 10:03:56 am »
30,000 Buried In China Quake Debris
More Than 12,000 Confirmed Dead; Aftershocks, Crumbled Infrastructure Hinder Rescuers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/13/world/main4090657.shtml

(CBS/AP) Rescue workers sifted through tangled debris of toppled schools and homes Tuesday for thousands of victims buried or missing after China's worst earthquake in three decades, where the death toll soared to more than 12,000 people in the hardest-hit province alone.

As night fell the day after the powerful 7.9 magnitude quake tore through urban areas and mountain villages across central China, state media said rescue workers had reached the epicenter in Wenchuan county, north of the Sichuan provincial capital, Chengdu.

State television quoted He Biao, director of the emergency office of the Aba government, as saying initial reports from soldiers who had to hike in showed there may be only 2,300 survivors from a population of 9,000 in Yinxiu, one of the affected towns.

The roads and bridges to another town in Wenchuan were all destroyed by the earthquake, and up to 80 percent of the homes had collapsed. There was also no power in the county, he said.

The death toll figures were expected to jump sharply as rescuers worked their way through hard-hit towns at the epicenter.

CBS News reporter Celia Hatton in Beijing reported that China's communist leaders quickly vowed to launch an all-out recovery effort.

In a massive government relief operation, some 20,000 soldiers and police arrived in the disaster area with 30,000 more on the way by plane, train, truck and on foot, the Defense Ministry told Xinhua. Rescue experts in orange jumpsuits extricated bloody survivors on stretchers from demolished buildings.

"Survivors can hold on for some time. Now it's not time to give up," Wang Zhenyao, disaster relief division director at the Ministry of Civil Affairs, told reporters in Beijing.

Xinhua said more than 12,000 had died in Sichuan province alone, but difficulties in accessing some areas meant the total number of casualties remained uncertain. In counties around one city near the epicenter, 18,645 people were buried, the agency said.

More than two dozen British and American tourists who were thought to be panda-watching in the area also remained missing.

Aftershocks rattled the region for a second day, sending people running into the streets in Chengdu.

Zhou Chun, a 70-year-old retired mechanic, was leaving quake-hit Dujiangyan city with a soiled, light-blue blanket draped over his shoulders.

"My wife died in the quake. My house was destroyed," he said. "I am going to Chengdu, but I don't know where I'll live."

Zhou and other survivors were pulling luggage and clutching plastic bags of food amid a steady drizzle and the constant wail of ambulances.

Just east of the epicenter, 1,000 students and teachers were killed or missing at a collapsed high school in Beichuan county - a more than six-story building reduced to a pile of rubble about two meters high, according to Xinhua. The agency said up to 5,000 people were killed and 80 percent of the buildings had collapsed in Beichuan alone.

At another leveled school in Dujiangyan, 900 students were feared dead. As bodies of teenagers were carried out on doors used as makeshift stretchers, relatives lit incense and candles and also set off fireworks to ward away evil spirits.

Elsewhere in Gansu province, a 40-car freight train derailed in the quake that included 13 gasoline tankers was still burning Tuesday evening, Xinhua said.

Premier Wen Jiabao, who rushed to the area to oversee rescue efforts, said a push was on to clear roads and restore electricity as soon as possible. His visit to the disaster scene was prominently featured on state TV, a gesture meant to reassure people that the Communist Party was doing all it could.

"We will save the people," Wen said through a bullhorn to survivors as he toured the disaster scene, in footage shown on CCTV. "As long as the people are there, factories can be built into even better ones, and so can the towns and counties."

The Ministry of Health issued an appeal for blood donations to help the quake victims.

Fifteen missing British tourists were believed in the area at the time of the quake and were "out of reach," Xinhua reported.

They were likely visiting the Wolong Nature Reserve, home to more than 100 giant pandas, whose fate also was not known, Xinhua said, adding that 60 pandas at another breeding center in Chengdu were safe.

Another group of 12 Americans also on panda-watching tour sponsored by the U.S. office of the World Wildlife Fund remained out of contact Tuesday, said Tan Rui, WWF communications officer in China.

Two Chinese-Americans and a Thai tourist also were missing in Sichuan province, the agency said, citing tourism officials.

The disaster comes less than three months before the start of the Beijing Olympics. The tragedy is just the latest event to tarnish the run-up to the event meant to showcase China's rise that has been marked by internal strife and criticism abroad of Beijing's human rights record.

In light of the quake, Beijing Olympics organizers said the torch relay will be simplified, downscaled and begin with a minute of silence Wednesday when a leg kicks off in the southeastern city of Ruijin.

The more somber relay will likely last until the torch's previously planned trip to the quake-hit areas next month, organizing committee spokesman Sun Wiede said, and people along the route will be asked for donations to help disaster victims.

Expressions of sympathy and offers of help poured in from across the world, and Chinese President Hu Jintao discussed the disaster in a phone call with U.S. President George W. Bush, state TV reported.

The Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader who has been vilified by Chinese authorities who blame him for recent unrest in Tibet, offered prayers for the victims. The epicenter is just south of some Tibetan mountain areas that saw anti-government protests earlier this year.

The Chinese government said it would welcome outside aid. Russia was sending a plane with rescuers and supplies, the country's Interfax news agency reported.

But Wang, the disaster relief official, said international aid workers would not be allowed to travel to the affected area. While China has been slow at times to react to natural disasters, it usually has not lacked the manpower to eventually cope with them.

China's Ministry of Finance said it had allocated 860 million yuan (US$123 million; euro80 million) in aid for quake-hit areas.

The quake was China's deadliest since 1976, when 240,000 people were killed in the city of Tangshan, near Beijing in 1976. Financial analysts said the quake would have only a limited impact on the country's booming economy.

Seismologists said the quake was on a level the region sees once every 50 to 100 years. The last time the Indian land mass crashed the Tibetan highlands into the Sichuan plane with such ferocity was 1933, when a magnitude 7.5 quake killed more than 9,300 people. Monday's quake resulted from the pent-up stress since then, experts said.

"It's more an issue of how long and how much stress has been built up in this region," said Amy Vaughn of the U.S. Geological Survey.
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2008, 10:08:46 am »
Aftershocks rock China quake zone
 
 http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8F560BB8-532D-4481-A02F-E3B02D37AE11.htm

 
Soldiers in the city of Mianzu search for thousands believed to be buried in the rubble .

Powerful aftershocks have shaken China's southwestern province of Sichuan a day after a deadly earthquake killed at least 12,000 people, many of them children buried in the rubble of collapsed schools.

 

Thousands more are reported to be missing after the magnitude 7.9 quake hit on Monday afternoon and officials have warned the death toll is likely to rise much further.

 

State media reported on Tuesday afternoon that rescue workers had reached the epicentre in Wenchuan county.

 

Rescue workers say that 3,629 people have died in Mainying city, which lies close to the epicentre of the earthquake, according to Xinhua state news agency.

 

Up to 18,645 people are buried under debris in the city, Xinhua reported.

 

Al Jazeera correspondent Melissa Chan, who is in the quake zone, said soldiers had been parachuted into the area or had trekked in on foot after roads were blocked with fallen trees and boulders.

 

She said bad weather was making rescue work difficult and exacerbating landslides triggered by the quake.

 

With shocks continuing to hit the region, many survivors in the worst-hit areas have taken to living on the streets, afraid to return to possibly weakened buildings.

 

Rescue workers meanwhile are continuing to race against time, digging through tonnes of debris in the hope of finding survivors trapped in the rubble.

 

In the city of Mianzu, near to the quake epicentre, almost 5,000 people were believed to have been buried under the remains of collapsed buildings, Xinhua reported.

 

The magnitude 7.9 quake which struck on Monday was the most powerful to hit China in three decades.

 

The first tremor hit at 2:48pm local time (06:28 GMT) with its epicentre 92km northwest of Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan province.

 

Schools hit
 
Many of the victims were schoolchildren who were in class at the time the quake hit.

 

In the city of Dujiangyan close to the epicentre, rescuers were digging through the remains of a school, trying to locate 900 children who were in the building when it collapsed.

 

Chan said the bodies of at least 200 children had been pulled from the rubble of one collapsed school outside of Chengdu.

 

In the industrial city of Shifeng hundreds of people were buried and more than 6,000 evacuated after two chemical plants collapsed.

 

The collapse triggered a spill of about 80 tonnes of toxic ammonia.

 

Casualties have also been reported in the municipality of Chongqing, home to about 30 million people, which borders Sichuan province.

 

The massive Three Gorges Dam, located several hundred kilometres to the west of the quake zone, was not damaged, officials have said.

 

The United States, the European Union, Russia and Japan have all offered sympathy and pledges of help.

 

Taiwan has also offered to send emergency aid and rescue workers.

 

Soldiers deployed

 

 
The quake is the most powerful to hit China in three decades.

About 20,000 police and soldiers have been deployed to the disaster area, with Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, in the region to oversee recovery efforts.

 

"The situation is worse than we previously estimated and we need more people here to help," he said at the emergency co-ordination centre.

 

"So long as there's a glimmer of hope, we will make every effort. We will not rest."

 

Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, has called for an "all out" effort to rescue victims.

 

Monday's initial quake lasted for several minutes and was powerful enough to be felt across several cities in South-East Asia, including Bangkok, the Thai capital, more than 1,800km from the epicentre.

 

China's deadliest quake in recent memory hit the eastern city of Tangshan in 1976.

The magnitude 7.8 earthquake was followed by an equally powerful aftershock almost a day later; together they killed around 240,000 people.
 

 
 In depth: China quake
 

Students buried under rubble:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FEDABF20-9424-4147-A2A9-DC7CE38A1E7C.htm

Map: Quake disaster zone:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/245DB16C-E524-4DA0-92CD-7CCB124B15B7.htm

Pictures: Quake leaves devastation:
http://english.aljazeera.net/PhotoGallery/Aspx/Show.aspx?album=chinaquake

'No early warning signs':
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/06B982B6-C95E-4BDE-8C88-50218C226ECF.htm

Earthquakes: A quick guide:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/418ECA43-A7D5-4899-8B93-0742F64158CD.htm

Video: China and Myanmar, a tale of two disasters:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_E7R4srq3lU

Video: Desperate search for survivors:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_QewbOnbkcs

 
 


I live in Bangkok. At the time - I was sat at the computer funnily enough - on the PP forum. Didn't feel anyhting.

Having said that - the timing and location of this particular earthquake is extremely suspicious.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2008, 10:38:51 am »
Have you done any research into HAARP at all, because you clearly do not know what you're talking about.  And who said anything about photons?


Give me a break... without doing any research.  Riiiight.

Radio waves DO NOT CAUSE EATHQUAKES.

Why do 50,000 watt radio stations not cause little tiny earthquakes daily then?

This is voodoo nonsense to think this.

Radiowaves from HAARP are tuned to the natural harmonic resonance with the ionosphere.  RADIO WAVES OF ANY INTENSITY DO NOTHING TO THE MINERALS OF THE EARTH'S CRUST.

It is clear that you do not understand energy transference of photons.

The energy transmitted by the radiowave photons is LEFT IN THE SKY, it does not relect back to earth.   If it did, the antennae would not be created by EXCITED GAS in the first place.  The energy is dissipated as heat, and sometimes light, by the particles accelerated up there.  That is to say, the radiowave photons are absorbed by ionspheric atoms, and as is natural for the over excited electrons of these atoms to do,  infrared (and rarely light) photons are the by product.

One other point.

The energy used to create HAARP antennae at first glance may seem impressive.  Gigawatts!!

Well...

The energy that would be needed to start an earthquake would dwarf this.  We are talking many magnitudes more than what HAARP uses, even if radio waves had a harmonic resonsance with granite and silica and whatever the earth's crust is made of.  The energy liberated in even a small quake is greater than all of the nuclear weapons of the entire planet many, many times over.

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2008, 02:03:05 pm »
Have you done any research into HAARP at all, because you clearly do not know what you're talking about.  And who said anything about photons?



Ad hominem attacks will not cut it with me and you are digging yourself a hole you will not be able argue yourself out of.

It is clear that it is YOU who does not know what they are talking about.

Radio waves are photons.  With a specific wavelength.  Photons are a particle.  And a wave.  The energy of that wave (particle) depends on its amplitude.  HAARP waves are extremely high amplitude radio waves.

FYI:  the term photon applies to the entire EM spectrum from radio waves to gamma rays.  THAT'S what photons have to do with HAARP.

I will lay it out for you again.

A high amplitude radio PHOTON strikes a sodium ion in the ionosphere.  That radio photon is now GONE.  It is absorbed temporarily by the sodium ion, causing a lower energy electron to temporarily vibrate much more intensly.

RULE:  photon in, photon out

This electron will discharge a photon in order to return to its more stable lower energy state.

This photon is almost always in the infrared frequency, and rarely light.  Hence the AURORAL component in the HAARP acronym.

I will again repeat what you completely ignored earlier:

HAARP excites sodium ions using radio waves, exciting the ions to the point where it will reflect much lower energy communications signals to other HAARP antennae.  The natural thing for these ions to do is to cool down, or lose excitement, and as they do so, they kick a photon out usually in the wavelength of the infrared spectrum.

HAARP energy is not reflected back to earth, because its energy is left in the ionosphere, which is converted to heat and light.  The energy left in the atmosphere IS the antenna created.

Again, the energies involved in HAARP is superficially impressive, ie. its way more than your computer uses.  BUT it is NOTHING compared to the energies involved in nature, including the tinniest of earthquakes.

Radiowaves can not penetrate solids.

Most earthquakes are caused by faults deep in the crust; usually many miles.

Radiowaves can not get below the surface let alone deep enough to add the energy to the system necessary to start a slip.

Again, sir, it is YOU who does not understand HAARP.  Have you ever considered that Nick Begich's book is a paranoid dillusion?
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2008, 06:55:34 pm »
Since the first earthquake, there has been 35 more 4.5 or better in the last 30 hours. That is a whole lot of shaken for one area.

No lie. Again, this will certainly make believers in unbelievers. Too bad it has nothing at all to do with believing and everything to do with building a foundation/relationship.  :-\ But how do you explain that to the deaf and blind? Who see no evil, hear no evil, and certainly will speak lots of evil! But, sadly enough, their like ignorant children following their parents orders never questioning why... only following... that Bavarian education has done wonders for us all.  A nation of people who're unable to think!
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2008, 07:31:24 pm »
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HAARP transmissions may also be used for the detection and monitoring of electromagnetic or “plasma” phenomena, precursors of seismic activity and tectonic movement. Researchers believe HAARP transmissions are actually being used to activate or trigger exactly the same electromagnetic conditions that can cause tectonic movement.

Jerry Smith in his book HAARP: The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy, warns many atmospheric scientists working on the secretive military project might be unaware of HAARP’s grave potential to wreak havoc on the Earth. He writes:

    If HAARP is a TMT [Tesla Magnifying Transmitter], and these researchers correctly understand Tesla’s work, we could be in a lot of trouble. It is quite possible that the scientists working on HAARP do not know what they are playing with… Beyond that their ignorance might be compounded if HAARP is indeed a secretive black-ops military project. The military has devised a way of keeping secrets called ‘compartmentalisation’ where each unit knows only what it needs to know… Only the control group knows what’s going on… If there is a control group familiar with TMTs directing the actions of scientists unschooled in Tesla technology, those lower level operatives could be directed to wreak havoc with created weather or manufactured earthquakes….

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Earthquakes_Natural_or_Man_Made.html


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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2008, 11:11:49 pm »
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HAARP transmissions may also be used for the detection and monitoring of electromagnetic or “plasma” phenomena, precursors of seismic activity and tectonic movement. Researchers believe HAARP transmissions are actually being used to activate or trigger exactly the same electromagnetic conditions that can cause tectonic movement.

Jerry Smith in his book HAARP: The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy, warns many atmospheric scientists working on the secretive military project might be unaware of HAARP’s grave potential to wreak havoc on the Earth. He writes:

    If HAARP is a TMT [Tesla Magnifying Transmitter], and these researchers correctly understand Tesla’s work, we could be in a lot of trouble. It is quite possible that the scientists working on HAARP do not know what they are playing with… Beyond that their ignorance might be compounded if HAARP is indeed a secretive black-ops military project. The military has devised a way of keeping secrets called ‘compartmentalisation’ where each unit knows only what it needs to know… Only the control group knows what’s going on… If there is a control group familiar with TMTs directing the actions of scientists unschooled in Tesla technology, those lower level operatives could be directed to wreak havoc with created weather or manufactured earthquakes….

Supposition 1:
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HAARP transmissions may also be used
     
Supposition 2:
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Researchers believe

Supposition 3:
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If HAARP is a TMT [Tesla Magnifying Transmitter]

Supposition 4:
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if HAARP is indeed a secretive black-ops

Supposition 5:
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If there is a control group familiar with TMTs

All speculation here, and if one is wrong, chances most or all are also wrong.

It is best to stick with facts, ones backed up by multiple independently confirmed sources.

Seeing as the only people with their hands on a HAARP gun is the US government... it is pretty hard to get independent research.

My whole reason for going on and on about this, is that there is A LOT of 'if's' floating around.  This leads to many leaps of faith, which leads to many unknowns, and people fear unknowns.

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Researchers believe HAARP transmissions are actually being used to activate or trigger exactly the same electromagnetic conditions that can cause tectonic movement.

The radiowaves from HAARP are not capable of adding adding or taking electrical charge (adding or removing electrons) from the ionosphere.   It is merely  heating (increasing the vibrational energy of atoms) of the ionosphere.  Heat does NOT equal electrical charge.   As mentioned in one of my 1st posts in this thread, the connection between EM radiation and electromagnetism is not known and is what is keeping physicists from describing a Grand Unified Theory.  In conclusion, there is no way for HAARP to increase the electric potential between the ground and the ionosphere which could trigger a seismic event.    The only thing I am aware of that could do this is high energy charged particles from the solar wind.

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wreak havoc with created weather

Now this is possible.  We all know weather is all about atmospheric heat differentials.  And we know that HAARP can heat up gas.  And we know that the atmosphere is made from.. GAS!  However we again run into the problem of the energy needed to significantly affect a weather system, such as re-directing or intensifying a hurricane GREATLY surpasses the energy used by HAARP guns.  There is so much energy even in a small tropical storm, that not even thousands of HAARP guns would use even a small fraction of one percent of the energy contained in said storm.  Nature is damn powerful.

I fear that all of the 'experts' and authors on this subject have suffered massive cases of colloquial misjudgement, or are deliberate misinfo agents.

HAARP simply can not influence seismic activity for the many reasons I have outlined.

I have a Master's in Evolutionary Ecology, physics is not even one of my strong points.  I do however know enough that I can poke holes through these supposed experts' work with a few pointers from physics 101.

In summary:

HAARP uses radio waves.
Said radio waves energize ionospheric sodium atoms.
Sodium plasma antennae reflect EM waves to other plasma antennae in lieu of communication satellites.
Radio waves can not penetrate rock.
The Earth is a giant rock.
Earthquakes start below the surface of the earth, generally 6 to 30 miles deep.
Some earthquakes can be triggered by electrical potential difference between the ground and the ionosphere.
HAARP can not add electric charge to the ionosphere.

Case closed, I would hope.
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2008, 11:59:31 pm »
Case closed

You may want to tell that to the U.N.  Or the 'guvmint'.

No one is saying that the quake was caused by Haarp or Scalar - just that we DO know both can create earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.  How do we know?

Well, our own GOVERNMENT (as well as the U.N.) specifically states such.

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This is rather enlightening...from 1997.

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/04/bmd970429d.htm

COHEN ADDRESS 4/28 AT CONFERENCE ON TERRORISM
Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy
Sam Nunn Policy Forum
April 28, 1997 University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia.

Oh - here's a good bit about 'Iraq, Iran, etc"
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SENATOR NUNN: Thank you very much, Bill.

...Let me ask if there are any questions for Secretary of Defense
Cohen.

Q: The dual containment policy in Iran and Iraq, do you think that's
conducive to regional stability in that region? And do you think (it)
can cause further terrorism in the United States? That type of
containment policy in the Middle East.

A: I think Secretary Albright articulated our policy as far as dealing
with Iraq, that it's clear that we have been unable to strike any kind
of a productive relationship with Saddam Hussein, and as soon as
Saddam Hussein is no longer the head of that government, that there's
(a) new regime that follows him, that we will look forward to finding
ways in which we could engage them in a much more productive fashion,
particularly after they comply with all of the UN sanctions. There's
an eagerness on our part to do that. But I think as long as he remains
in office as the head of that state, it's unlikely that we could have
anything but the current policy in place, with very little prospects
for relief.
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Key paragraph:

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in
Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to
deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a
false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the
intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James
Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom
moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off
a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can
paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search.
The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using
some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some
reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to
construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very
dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written
about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to
devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so
that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and
others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects
that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an
eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off
earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic
waves.


Cover letter of the United Nations treaty prohibiting the Use of Hostile Weather Modification (notice the date - 1976!!!!!)

http://cuttingedge.org/news/un01.jpg

Here's Article 1:

http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1196a.html#guided

Excerpt:

CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES

Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976. The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.

TEXT PUBLISHED IN: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, Annex; see Official Records of the General Assembly, Thirty-first Session, Supplement No. 39 (A/31/39), pp. 37-38. International Legal Materials, Vol. XVI, No. 1, January 1977, pp. 88-94 (Engl.); World Armaments and Disarmament, SIPRI Yearbook 1978, London 1978, pp. 392-397 (Engl.); Shindler & Toman, eds., "The Laws of Armed Conflicts."

The States Parties to this Convention,

Guided by the interest of consolidating peace, and wishing to contribute to the cause of halting the arms race, and of bringing about general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, and of saving mankind from the danger of using new means of warfare,

Determined to continue negotiations with a view to achieving effective progress towards further measures in the field of disarmament,

Recognizing that scientific and technical advances may open new possibilities with respect to modification of the environment,

Recalling the Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, adopted at Stockholm on 16 June 1972,

Realizing that the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes could improve the interrelationship of man and nature and contribute to the preservation and improvement of the environment for the benefit of present and future generations,

Recognizing, however, that military or any other hostile use of such techniques could have effects extremely harmful to human welfare,

Desiring to prohibit effectively military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques in order to eliminate the dangers to mankind from such use, and affirming their willingness to work towards the achievement of this objective,

Desiring also to contribute to the strengthening of trust among nations and to the further improvement of the international situation in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

Have agreed as follows:

ARTICLE I

1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.

2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organization to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.

ARTICLE II

As used in article 1, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes--the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
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A question.  Why would the United Nations feel the need for a treaty banning the Use of Weather Modification Techniques back in the 1970's......if such techniques did not yet exist?   Huh

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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2008, 12:11:15 am »
Some kind of Star Wars energy weapon fired from space.....
Why do you think China showed they could take one out last year and we had to counter by showing them we could stop their attempt....
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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2008, 01:54:07 am »


http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSSP23973420080514
Troops rush in to help China quake rescue
Wed May 14, 2008 2:14am EDT

By Ben Blanchard


MIANYANG, China (Reuters) - China poured more troops into the earthquake-ravaged province of Sichuan on Wednesday to quicken a search for survivors as time ran out for thousands of people buried under rubble and mud.

Across the region, weary rescuers pulled at tangled chunks of buildings and peered into crevices for survivors after Monday's 7.9 magnitude quake crumpled homes, schools and hospitals.

The government dispatched 50,000 troops to the southwestern province to dig for survivors as the national death toll climbed past 13,000. It is likely to rise steeply after state media said 19,000 were buried in Sichuan's Mianyang area alone.

On the edge of Mianyang, people roamed around a sports ground housing the homeless, holding cardboard signs with the names of their relatives in hopes of being reunited or getting information. Most were from nearby rural Beichuan county, one of the worst-hit areas.

"They have said nothing about what's going to happen to us. This is just a temporary place. I don't know when or if we'll be able to go home," said Hu Luobing, from a Beichuan village where she said everything had been destroyed.

She was leaving her daughter in the shelter of the sports ground, where some 10,000 Beichuan survivors gathered, to look for clothes.

Others were seeking food and relief from a chilly rain.

"I've had nothing to eat since last night. I've only been given some bread and a bottle of water for my child," said Bai Chenchu, one of thousands camped out at the sports ground.

Another had only the clothes on his back.

"I'm wearing everything I own," said 15-year-old Xi Dongli.

Pictures from Beichuan, a hilly area that rescuers have struggled to reach, showed near total devastation. Survivors lay alongside the dead in the open air, surrounded by buildings reduced to mangled slabs of concrete.

PREMIER'S APPEAL

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who has been in Sichuan leading rescue efforts, making emotional appeals to urge on workers and visiting crying, orphaned children, was in Beichuan by midday.

"If there is a glimmer of hope, then put everything into rescuing," Xinhua quoted him as telling local officials.

Beichuan county alone was in urgent need of 50,000 tents, 200,000 blankets and 300,000 coats, as well as drinking water and medicine, Xinhua said.

"Beichuan has just disappeared. There's nothing left," said Li Changqing, a salesman in Mianyang.

The quake, the worst to hit China since 1976 when up to 300,000 died, has muffled upbeat government propaganda three months ahead of the Beijing Olympic Games.

It has also quelled criticism from abroad over recent unrest in Tibet, with images of the human tragedy and heroic rescue efforts spurring offers of aid and an outpouring of sympathy.

China's stock market initially weakened after the quake, partly on fears that it could add to inflation that is already at a 12-year high. But the market has since recovered and analysts say the economic impact is unlikely to be lasting.

The quake's epicenter, north of the provincial capital, Chengdu, has little manufacturing or rice output.

Metals plants near Chongqing, which account for about 4.5 percent of China's aluminum capacity, saw little damage. Power plants have resumed normal operations and Petrochina has restarted a major oil pipeline after a one-day stoppage.

FOOD AND SHELTER

At the Mianyang sports ground, local volunteers were distributing rice and water. One man handing out boiled eggs was mobbed, but desperate survivors were mostly orderly.

Central authorities have ordered stricken areas to ensure food supplies and price stability, but some Chinese news reports described price rises and shortages in quake-hit areas.

The extent of destruction in many towns across the mountainous area suggested searchers would find many more bodies than survivors among the toppled buildings.

Rain has frustrated rescuers' efforts to get to some areas and more rain is forecast for coming days.

"Everything became very difficult last night with the rain. There are a lot of people with no place to go," said Kate Janis, a program director with the aid organization Mercy Corps.

State media reported devastation in villages near the epicenter in Wenchuan, a remote county cut off by landslides about 100 km (60 miles) northwest of Chengdu. About 60,000 people were unaccounted for across Wenchuan, authorities said.

In Wenchuan's Yingxiu town, only 2,300 of its 10,000 residents were accounted for, Xinhua reported.

Amid the overwhelming grief, there were also moments of relief when survivors were found. In Sichuan's Mianzhu, about 500 people were pulled out alive from crushed buildings.

A group of 31 British tourists visiting a panda reserve in the stricken area were safe, China's Foreign Ministry said.

(Writing and additional reporting by Chris Buckley and Lindsay Beck in Beijing; Editing by Ken Wills)
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2008, 08:07:03 am »
China: 15,000 dead, 26,000 buried under debris


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NEW: 26,000 still buried under debris and 14,000 missing, reports say

Quake death toll soars to nearly 15,000, according to state media

About three-quarters of one town's residents killed, state media says

Soldiers reach epicenter of quake in Wenchuan county in Sichuan province



SICHUAN PROVINCE, China (CNN) -- China's death toll from a massive earthquake soared by several thousand Wednesday as rescue teams poured into the country's hardest-hit areas, state-run media reported.

The Xinhua news agency reported Wednesday that the death toll had risen to 14,866. An unofficial tally of deaths in individual communities -- as reported by the news agency over several days -- puts the toll at 19,565.

Xinhua also said nearly 26,000 people were still buried under debris and another 14,000 missing. More than 64,000 people sustained injuries.

Rescuers announced a piece of good news Wednesday, hailing the rescue of an eight-months pregnant woman as a "miracle," The Associated Press reported.

Zhang Xiaoyan spent 50 hours trapped in debris after an apartment building collapsed in Dujiangyan. Watch Zhang Xiaoyan being rescued »

Meanwhile, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao headed to the quake's epicenter in Wenchuan county Wednesday afternoon, according to the Xinhua news agency.

"Time is life," said Wen, who is heading up China's relief effort.

Local officials said the quake killed more than 7,700 people in the town of Yingxiu -- about three-quarters of the population, according to Xinhua. Watch children being pulled from the rubble »

Yingxiu is in Sichuan province, where 20,000 Chinese soldiers have been mobilized for rescue and recovery, state media reported. Another 30,000 were en route to the region.

Thousands of troops are traveling by train -- on rail lines that are also transporting supplies. Watch devastation caused by China quake »

"The top priority for the railway network in China is to deliver disaster-relief troops, personnel and goods to the affected area as soon as possible," said Wang Yongping, spokesman for the Ministry of Railways. He said many passenger trains would be diverted to ferry troops. View a map of the affected area »

Wednesday brought new horrors from the rubble.

At one three-story school in Sichuan's Qingchuan county 178 students were confirmed dead after the building collapsed, a local official said.

Rescuers found at least 500 dead Tuesday in the Chinese district at the epicenter of the magnitude 7.9 earthquake. Heavy rain, collapsed bridges and damaged roads complicated efforts to get troops and aid workers to the worst-hit towns. Watch rescuers dig for victims »

"We will do our utmost to reopen the links to epicenter as soon as possible -- so as to restore the transportation links to the whole province," said Feng Zhenglin, China's vice minister of transport.

The epicenter of Monday's quake was in Wenchuan county, Sichuan, about 1,500 km (960 miles) southwest of Beijing.

During a visit to a school in Shifang, where more than 100 children were trapped beneath rubble, Wen promised that saving lives was a top priority.

"We will put our best efforts forward to save all those alive who can be saved," he said. "This disaster has all tested us. We all have to band together and have confidence and push forward." Search continues for quake victims »

He also visited a stadium in the city of Mianyang, where more than 10,000 people had been temporarily resettled, Xinhua reported.

"The transportation of food must be faster," the news agency quoted him as telling government officials. "Children are short of food." Watch how China's reaction to this crisis compares to previous disasters »

Hundreds of soldiers and disaster workers descended on Wenchuan, many of them digging by hand, according to the disaster relief headquarters of the Chengdu Military Area Command. Soldiers said only 3,000 of the town's 12,000 residents survived the quake.

More than 70 percent of the town's roads were damaged, and almost all bridges had collapsed, they reported.

All the beds were filled at Sichuan University Huaxi Hospital, one of the largest in the provincial capital of Chengdu. Watch survivors cope with with living outside »

Nurses said the most common injuries were broken bones, bruises and scrapes. State media reported thousands of victims had sought care at the hospital, where medical supplies were running low.

Fear of becoming trapped during an aftershock led about 200 people to sleep outside in cots, on lawn chairs and on the ground outside the hospital in an area intended for bicycles.

At the Third Military Medical University Southwest Hospital, state-run media reported that nurses and doctors were donating their own blood.

China is no stranger to natural disasters: A 1976 earthquake here killed more than 250,000 people. But analysts said the Chinese response to Monday's quake had been the most transparent of any disaster, with state media frequently updating casualty tolls and deploying troops rapidly to the worst-hit areas. View a photo wall of damage and rescue efforts »

Li Chengyun, vice governor of Sichuan, said about 3.5 million homes were destroyed in the province. David Jones, an English teacher in the city of Chengdu, said residents were camping out on riverbanks, in parking lots and other open spaces, despite "terrible" weather.

"People are doing everything they can to stay outside," he said. "In a lot of cases, they can't return to their buildings."

He said survivors were lining up to donate blood and remained calm, but appeared "extremely tired."

"The people here have been really helpful to each other, making sure everybody has supplies," he said. "I haven't seen any price-gouging. The mood here has gone from shock, fear, to tiredness."

Wenchuan is the refuge for much of China's panda population, and the State Forestry Administration said the 67 captive pandas among the more than 130 pandas in the Wolong Giant Panda Reserve were not injured. However, the caregivers were worried about the bamboo leaf supply.

CNN correspondents John Vause, Paula Hancocks and Eunice Yoon contributed to this report.

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« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2008, 09:18:05 am »
I don't think this was the NWO, unless the NWO can make frogs run through the province or make lakes drain, as this link shows
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/140508conspiracies.htm

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« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2008, 09:36:44 am »
town of 160,000 people completely destroyed near epicentere - whole town slid down hillside when quake hit

Beichuan: a vision of hell

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/beichuan-a-vision-of-hell-829301.html

Beichuan was a town of 160,000 nestling in one of the world's most beautiful valleys. When rescuers arrived yesterday, they found a scene of unimaginable devastation and despair

By Clifford Coonan in Beichuan
Friday, 16 May 2008


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A rescue worker carries a survivor from a collapsed building in the old city district near a mountain at the earthquake-hit Beichuan county
 


Reaching Beichuan is a long march into hell. When you finally emerge scrabbling through the dirt into the town, what lies before you is a breathtaking vision of horror. Official estimates say China's worst natural disaster in 30 years has claimed 50,000 lives so far, but looking at the devastation here, it is hard not to imagine the final toll will be much, much higher.

Beichuan county in Sichuan province used to be home to 160,000 people, and most of them lived in the now-forsaken town of the same name, nestling in one of the world's most beautiful valleys. But everyone is gone, either dead or having abandoned their flattened home.

Beichuan was too close to the epicentre of this week's earthquake to stand a chance. At least 80 per cent of it is destroyed, with many thousands of bodies still buried in the rubble. It's hard to imagine this place ever functioning as a town again.

There is still no access by road. People's Liberation Army soldiers rally behind red flags at a rescue station three kilometres away, before starting the trek into the heart of this shattered place.

Our journey to reach Beichuan, which has been almost completely cut off since last Monday's quake, began at a good pace but we were soon forced to slow to a solemn, single-file column as we negotiated the side of the mountain. We stopped to allow soldiers carrying bodies, and occasional survivors to pass, their faces straining with the exertion of carrying their heavy burdens up these steep slopes and across the wreckage of roads and fields.

The narrow access track up to the town is also full of villagers bringing whatever little items they can as they scramble back to the refugee camps in neighbouring towns spared the worst of the quake. These are often old people, who move slowly but steadily, in a way that clearly irritates the fit young teenage troops itching to get past. But who is going to tell a grandmother carrying her life on her back to speed up?

The first sighting of what used to be the town happens about two kilometres away. It now looks like a model railway village that a nasty child has melted and covered with sand. The town was built on the sides of the valley and when the earthquake struck, the buildings slid down on top of others in a sickening concertina, leaving most of the settlement collapsed at the base of the valley. One or two large, newer buildings survived but the other big buildings folded on houses and apartment blocks, leaving mountains of rubble dozens of feet high.

Every day I have reported the story of the Sichuan earthquake it has seemed impossible to imagine things getting worse. Hanwang, with its bodies lying everywhere, was grotesque. Dujiangyan, where hundreds of teenagers were dragged out dead from the mud, was nightmarish. But every day is worse than the next. No one knows what horrors await after Wenchuan, directly above the epicentre, is opened up. At this stage, there can be precious few survivors there. But Beichuan is a truly horrendous sight. The prospect of the death toll reaching beyond 50,000 looks increasingly likely.

Driving up along the valley, along the Chang Jiang, or Long River, which we call the Yangtze, a JCB carrying a mound of corpses wrapped in tarpaulin was an early sign that the scene in Beichuan was going to be harrowing. But it was worse, much worse, than I'd expected.

Shutters are pulled three-quarters of the way down on some shop fronts, and feet are visible beneath them, but the grocer's and fruit shops they are meant to protect are just giant mounds of debris.

At the Middle School, hundreds were buried alive, just as they had been in other schools around Sichuan. The town's prison collapsed, and who knows how many inmates died.

Negotiating the rubble is torturous; finding survivors even worse. Outside a kindergarten, parents went around calling the names of their children. A pile of small bodies had already been recovered and lay on the ground. This earthquake happened during school time, at 2.30pm.

One man found his son's body in the pile, wrapped it carefully in a plastic sheet and carried him away. His wife is a migrant worker who lives elsewhere in China and he tried to call her on his mobile to tell her their child was dead, but there was no signal yet.

"There are people alive in there, and over there, and over there," said one rescuer, outside the ruins of a hairdressing salon. "But we can't get them out; what are we supposed to do."

It's impossible not to get swept up in the relief effort; anyone who is in this town has to help, journalist or not. A crying woman said she could hear cries from beneath the rubble, and I was sent to find a stretcher and workers, but by the time we got back with assistance, the rubble had shifted and there was only a body. People hear things in earthquake zones, mistaking the wailing of the bereaved for the cries of help from their loved ones. Rescuers clamber around the debris shouting "hello" and "anyone there" but only an eerie silence answers.

The rescue effort is centred on one very small section on the edge of town, and only a tiny part of Beichuan has been explored so far. Premier Wen Jiabao, who has flown around from disaster area to disaster area in a helicopter, has visited the town twice so far, but he has been able only to voice words of encouragement to the rescue workers.

China has, cautiously, welcomed some foreign input. When Mr Wen first visited the town he spotted an American doctor, Brian Robinson of the Heart to Heart aid outfit, walking with other volunteers along the road and he ordered the car to stop. He embraced the doctor, thanked him and told him to go to Beichuan and help. An unprecedented action.

It is still impossible to get through to Beichuan with meaningful assistance and aid: most of the cranes, medical supplies and military personnel are all still back down the valley at the disaster relief headquarters.

Rescuers struggle across a bridge lying on the river bed in large chunks, a smashed car on what was the roadside the only evidence that this was ever a bridge. In the streets, the smell of corpses is accentuated by the searing heat that has replaced the heavy rain of days ago. The dry weather makes rescue work easier, but you cannot help worrying about disease being the next problem here.

At one point yesterday there was a small aftershock, causing brief panic. People are also angry that it has taken so long for the relief effort to make it to Beichuan, saying there were hundreds of people crying and shouting in the rubble even on Wednesday, but that it was too late now. There was little evidence of sniffer dogs, hi-tech equipment, and not too many helicopters around either; you would expect to see choppers ferrying supplies and people.

What they have is primitive relief work: manpower and womanpower. Thousands of soldiers and volunteers have arrived in the area, some from as far away as the provincial capital and other parts of China.

Anger, too, is growing about the poor quality of buildings. In Mianzhu, an apartment block collapsed on itself. The flats had been built using contributions from a local work unit, a group of workers organised by the Communist Party at a factory or office. Residents searching for survivors said it was because corrupt officials had demanded so much in kickbacks that the building fell. The neighbouring buildings had not collapsed, including one which housed cadres from the Communist Party. "Show me the structural steel in that building," said one woman, whose mother is missing in the rubble. "It all went into some official's pocket," she spat.

The foreign media have a poor image in China because most people now believe the international community does not want China to host the Olympics and is planning a boycott. This makes reporting the disaster difficult; before the anti-Chinese riots in Tibet, and the sympathetic view of Tibetans in the Western media, foreign journalists were popular. Now we are seen as a threat. But the soldiers are still helpful, even offering to lift us over the worst of the holes.

All privately owned cars are stopped at a roadblock 20 kilometres from the town to give better access to emergency vehicles. We leave our car and start to walk, but we are picked up by a trio of relief workers in a blue CDW truck, laden with baskets for carrying debris. For the first time in four days of reporting the Sichuan earthquake, I see the classic quake image, the fissure stretching the length of a road, made by tectonic plates shifting and tearing the Tarmac apart.

Later even this truck is stopped and we walk the remaining three kilometres with volunteers from nearby Mianyang, bringing money, clothes, food and water. "We are all one family and one nation and when our friend suffers, it's our duty to help," says Lu Fushan, 49, a farmer. His truck was stopped, as were many of the volunteers, because there is not enough room for the material to get through.

Dotted along the narrow mountainside road are smashed cars and rocks the size of lorries, which limit traffic to one lane. There are hundreds of military vehicles along the roadside.

Back along the valley, a couple sit clinging to each other on a bench, looking at the wreckage of their house. "Our house is smashed, broken," says Fu Youjun, 34, a farmer. "My father is in the hospital. We felt the quake, we were terribly scared and we rushed out. When we came out we just saw white smoke and dust.

"My brother is in town, but I can't reach him. Lots of friends and relatives. We can't get in touch with them, we tried to get through to them but there's no road. And the water is rising, there could be flooding too. I don't know what we'll do next,"

His wife, Wang Hongmei, 30, says: "The house is slipped, subsided. My nephew is in there, over there in Beichuan. What are we going go do? We just got married this year."

But even amid the heartbreak of Beichuan there is an occasional story of hope. "Don't help me, help the others, they need it more," one woman said, as soldiers bore her on a stretcher into a makeshift first-aid centre, seconds after pulling her from the wreckage. She had lived through 72 almost unbelievable hours under the rubble.

At the first-aid station, there is no time for medics to find the woman's name. She looks a youthful 40, wearing a pale blue top and smart trousers. She is weak and delirious, but so far she is alive. The woman is carried on a stretcher back across the mountains by eight strong, sure-footed young PLA soldiers.

Back at the rescue station, rescuers form a cordon for the returning stretchers. When a survivor is brought through, the soldiers cheer, and when yet another stretcher comes through with a corpse there are disappointed murmurs and sad comments.

The woman is brought through on the stretcher, a scarf covering her face, and the response is at first muted, depressed. Then, she raises her hand and waves; the scarf is there to protect her from the hot sun. Some of the PLA's most hardened troops laugh and cheer like schoolboys. This one is alive.
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« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2008, 10:30:51 am »
Sadly, as is typical , they are majorly underplaying the level of death and destruction, see the article above



'Five million' homeless in quake
 
Mr Hu called for a "final victory" of relief efforts



Almost five million people have been left homeless by Monday's devastating earthquake in China's south-western Sichuan Province, officials say.

They said the extent of the problem only became clear when communications were restored.

So far, 22,069 deaths have been confirmed and thousands remain missing. It is feared up to 50,000 may be dead.

Chinese President Hu Jintao, visiting the province, said rescue work was at its most crucial phase.

Premier Wen Jiabao said the quake was the most destructive and widespread since the People's Republic was founded in 1949.

Its scale was greater than that of the Tangshan earthquake in 1976 which left 240,000 dead, he said.

China has announced an investigation into why so many schools have collapsed.

Further aftershocks - one measuring 5.9 - continued to strike the area, causing landslides that buried vehicles and knocked out communications only just restored.

'Top priority'

Sichuan Vice-Governor Li Chengyun said 4.8 million people were now in "temporary shelter" following the earthquake.

Local officials said the extent of homelessness in the region only became clear on Friday.

"Before today, communications and roads to some cities and counties in the province were cut off because of the quake," the official told AFP news agency.
    Saving lives is still our top priority, as long as hope of survival still exists
Premier Wen Jiabao


"That's why the number has increased so fast now that links have been restored with the cities and counties."

As the search for survivors continued intensively on Friday, four people were reportedly pulled out alive.

Four days after the quake, Chinese CCTV showed pictures of a five-year-old boy, looking weak and bruised, being taken from the rubble, bandaged and strapped to a stretcher.

Meanwhile, a 23-year-old nurse was rescued from the ruins of a hospital, and two survivors were found buried together beneath a collapsed office building in the shattered district of Beichuan, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Mr Wen, who has been in the area since the earthquake struck, said the focus of the effort was still reaching survivors.

"Saving lives is still our top priority, as long as hope of survival still exists," he said.

Foreign rescuers

The Chinese president's presence in the region appears to reflect the level of government concern over the scale of the disaster.

"The challenge is still severe, the task is still arduous and the time is pressing," said Mr Hu.

"We must make every effort, race against time and overcome all difficulties to achieve the final victory of the relief efforts."


He was speaking after arriving in Mianyang, one of the cities worst-hit by the 7.9-magnitude earthquake, where he was to view the relief efforts and meet troops and medical personnel.

The first foreign rescuers have now arrived in the devastated region.


Thirty-one Japanese experts arrived on Friday morning, state media said, and a second team with sniffer dogs was due there later in the day.

Taiwan, Russia, South Korea and Singapore are also sending teams to help in the rescue effort.

Troops have now reached all of the affected areas, state media says. It adds that about 159,000 people were injured in the quake and 4.8 million people have been relocated.
   


But the task remains huge.

Seven schools, including two nursery schools, collapsed in the town of Mianzhu alone, burying more than 1,700 students.

In Hanwang town, about 700 students were buried when Donqi middle school collapsed.

The BBC's James Reynolds in Hanwang described seeing rescuers emerge from a building carrying two bodies, and watching parents wait at the school, hoping their children would come out alive.

'Big issues'

More than 200,000 houses have collapsed in Sichuan province, while more than four million have been damaged in some way, Xinhua said.

In Mianzhu, one of the worst-hit towns, one woman said the focus should switch to caring for the survivors.

"The focus is on saving lives, and they say food and a place to live are small issues as long as you're alive," Fan Xiaohua told Reuters news agency.

"In fact, they are very big issues right now," she said.

While the government says the search is still the priority, it is stepping up the effort to get aid to the millions of people displaced or cut off by the disaster, says the BBC's Dan Griffiths in the Sichuan capital Chengdu.

Tens of thousands of Chinese troops and police are in the region to help with relief efforts but damage to roads is making it difficult to get to the worst-hit regions.
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2008, 02:08:07 pm »
To all posters check out CCTV 4 which is English language about the earthquake either on the net or if you have a satellite dish. I have to say that I was amazed how quickly the Chi-com government whipped into the rescue operations I wish to God we would have done that with Katrina. I have kept track of whats going on through CCTV 4 I figure a bunch of you will say because I am praising the Chi-Com government but I think you have to give credit were credit is due. If we in America would have a disaster of equal proportions F E M A would screw it up like they did for Katrina we are to self centered at times to be so sacrificial to give for the common good of the people Well I will await for the verbal barrage lol
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« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2008, 03:56:26 pm »
They have had another 5.1 after shock today with a bunch of land slides very sad.

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« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2008, 04:06:20 pm »
I think the west coast is next or very soon. I better prepare, sadly I think only 10% of the people in my city are actually prepared and I'm not in that 10% at the moment :(

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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Ricksters Scale
« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2008, 07:43:52 pm »
A friend who is a respected scientist e-mailed this selection:
May 13, 2008

CERN ‘Nailed Heart Of Earth’ With China Quake, Chilean Volcano

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By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)

The team of Russian Physicists who assisted in the construction of the Large Hadron Collider for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), located in Switzerland, are reporting today that an experiment being conducted during the colliders ‘cool down’ phase has resulted in what they are calling an ‘antiquark spree’ that has, literally, “Nailed the heart of Earth”.

Working in conjunction with Chile’s National Commission for Scientific and Technological Research (CONICYT), these reports continue, CERN scientists, while attempting to establish a quark based means of near speed-of-light communications with other Western scientific and military installations, ‘lost control’ of this experiment on the South American ‘anchor’ triggering an ‘unexpected’ stream of antiquark’s which first ignited a massive volcanic eruption in Chile, and in a ‘straight shot’ through the entire planet has further triggered a catastrophic 7.8 magnitude earthquake in China.

Chile’s Chaiten volcano [pictured 3 photo on left] began its massive eruption nearly a week and half ago, and nearly two weeks to the date when Russian Scientists blamed CERN for destabilizing Earth’s orbit causing the returning capsule from the International Space Station to veer dramatically off course from its intended landing zone, and as we had previously reported on in our April 20th report,  "CERN Experiment Said To Have Destabilize Earth Orbit".   

So disastrous has Chile’s Chaiten volcano become that scientists are warning that ‘long-term environmental damage’ is being done to large portions of South America, and where the volcanic plume is covering large portions of the South American continent.

In central China, and which is the antipode (exact opposite) to Chile’s Chaiten volcano, the effects of the massive 7.8 magnitude earthquake in their country can only be described in the most catastrophic terms as the death toll is now over 8,500, with a further 900 students trapped in the rumble of their schools.

These reports further state that the past few days’ eruptions of Kamchatka's Karymsky volcano, and Italy’s Mount Etna volcano are further linked to these CERN experiments gone tragically wrong.

The direst warning of these reports, however, is the summation that states that these catastrophic events due to CERN’s experiments may not be finished as calculations of these antiquark’s paths through our Earth show an increased likelihood of catastrophic tectonic plate changes to both Central and North America.

This is especially worrisome, these reports continue, due to the North American ‘anchor’ to CERN’s quark based communication system, based at their highly secretive base named Area 51 in Nevada, causing over 5,000 earthquakes in that region in recent weeks.

To whatever the outcome of these latest CERN experiments will lead our World, it remains to be seen if these scientists can really play God without having the full instruction manual available to them.

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April 20, 2008

CERN Experiment Said To Have Destabilize Earth Orbit


By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)

 A disturbing report rushed from the Kremlin to President Putin today states that an early morning experiment at Switzerland’s Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire (CERN), and which is the World’s largest physics laboratory, has caused what is described as a ‘tensor transformation’ that has ‘destabilized’ our planets orbit.

Critics of the experiments being conducted at CERN have long warned of its physicists playing ‘Russian Roulette’ with our planet, including Francesco Calogero, a nuclear physicist at the University of Rome and co-winner of the 1995 Nobel Peace Prize, who stated about these scientists that, “Many, indeed most, of them seem to me to be more concerned with the public relations impact of what they, or others, say and write, than in making sure that the facts are presented with complete scientific objectivity.”

Even greater concerns have been raised in many scientific quarters due to CERN’s planned experiments this summer which many believe could spell destruction for our planet, and as we can read as reported by Australia’s The Age News Service in their article titled "It's a whiz-bang experiment, with a downside that could really suck" and which says:

“Will the world end later this year? In mid-August, in a chamber deep underneath the Swiss-French border, physicists will switch on a machine that might produce the first man-made black holes. Normally only found in outer space, these high-gravity objects have a reputation for devouring all matter in their vicinity — and they only stop when the food runs out. Could the Earth's first black hole also end up being its last, after it sucks in the chamber, the physicists, and the entire planet?”

Russian scientists have long been concerned over the West’s attempts to duplicate the failed World War II tensor experiments of the American’s (The Philadelphia Experiment) and the Germans (The Nazi Bell Experiment) ever since the 2005 explosion at CERN when an attempt at ‘dimensional porthole opening’ experiment was conducted, and which today’s event proves these maniacal scientists are attempting to replicate again.

Not being understood by the Western people about these CERN experiments are that they are based upon Albert Einstein’s 1928 Unified Field Theory which was confirmed by the most unlikely of sources by the great Hungarian scientist Gabriel Kron, but which since the 1930’s, and based upon their significance as potentially being able to develop the most powerful weapons known to humanity, these facts have been kept hidden.

To these latest experiments being conducted at CERN it was first noticed that our Earth’s ‘hum’ has been changing, and as we can read as reported by the Live Science News Service in their report titled "Earth's Hum Sounds More Mysterious Than Ever", and which says:

“Earth gives off a relentless hum of countless notes completely imperceptible to the human ear, like a giant, exceptionally quiet symphony, but the origin of this sound remains a mystery.

Now unexpected powerful tunes have been discovered in this hum. These new findings could shed light on the source of this enigma.

The planet emanates a constant rumble far below the limits of human hearing, even when the ground isn't shaking from an earthquake. (It does not cause the ringing in the ear linked with tinnitus.) This sound, first discovered a decade ago, is one that only scientific instruments - seismometers - can detect. Researchers call it Earth's hum.

Investigators suspect this murmur could originate from the churning ocean, or perhaps the roiling atmosphere.”

But, not to ‘churning oceans’ or ‘roiling atmosphere’ is our Earth’s mysterious ‘hum’ originating from say Russian scientists, but rather they state that this ‘hum’ is due to our planet being, in fact, a giant electrical motor, and which like the smaller ones we use in our everyday life, do, indeed, ‘hum’ as they work.

And it is to this ‘humming’ of electrical motors that led Gabriel Kron to confirm Einstein’s Unified Field Theory which in its most simplistic form simply states that ALL electrical motors have inherent in them the ability to ‘bend’ space and time, and as the size of the electrical motor increases, so does its ability to bend the very fabric of our existence.

As the use of electrical motors has increased by over a million-fold in the past 60 years, especially in the West, the effects of this ‘bending’ of our space time has resulted in the actual speeding up of time which has had the ‘unexpected’ effect of ‘disorienting’ the mass of the World’s population, many of whom believe they are mentally ill but in fact are suffering the mental effects, and disassociation, similarly reported by cosmonauts returning from their space missions.

Most insidious, however, of these Western governments, and their scientists, plans is their creation of the twin Global Warming/Climate Change myth to cover over the many catastrophic affects of their experiments at CERN, and which one of these ‘effects’ has been reported this week is leading to the shifting of our World’s jet streams as they plunge even closer to the poles of our planet. (And which any school child’s science class experiments shows will, indeed, be the consequence of shifting the magnetic alignment of a sphere.)

But, to the greatest dangers of these experiments, and as these Western scientists continue their playing at being like gods, is the very real likelihood of unleashing those very Universal forces that resulted in our World’s cataclysmic destruction during our last age of enlightenment over 15,000 years ago.

How our World could have ever allowed these same monsters to take control of us again will no doubt be the question asked of our ancestors in a future age as they, once again, begins to pick up the pieces of an Earth destroyed by its own people.

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Fears volcanic ash is causing ecological disaster

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May 12, 2008
 

Chile's President Michelle Bachelet, right, and Chile's Defence Minister Jose Goni, visit Chaiten.
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Most people have fled but animals are left to bear the brunt of the volcanic plumes.

Volcanic ash raining down from the Chilean volcano Chaiten may cause long-term environmental damage and harm the health of people and animals in Patagonia, scientists say.

Ash from the volcano, which started erupting 10 days ago for the first time in thousands of years, is made up of pulverised rock containing all kinds of minerals.

It has spoiled lakes, rivers and lagoons, coated plants in a dense layer of gray, and altered the sensitive habitat of animals now struggling to survive. Satellite images show a white stripe smeared across the southern part of South America.

Though it is too early to say what the long-term effects will be, ecologists say life has permanently changed in the region's pine and cypress forests, inhabited by pumas and huemules, a rare species of deer.

"I am tremendously worried because this is an environmental, social and ecological disaster," said Alejandro Beletzky, an environmental scientist in a soot-covered swath of Argentina.

"The presence of volcanic ash in the region, which falls constantly, is very risky for humans, plants and animals," he said near Esquel, a town 2000 kilometres southwest of Buenos Aires.

Government officials have insisted the ash is not toxic, though people in the Argentine provinces of Chubut and Rio Negro, and Chile's Tenth Region have complained of burning eyes, breathing trouble and tainted water.

The volcanic ash blowing east across the Andes mountains from Chile has dusted hundreds of square miles of Argentina.

Nearby airports have closed because of poor visibility and worries the rocky ash could damage jet engines.

Chile's chain of volcanoes, the second-largest in the world, includes some 2000 of which 500 are potentially active.

Chaiten sits 1220 kilometres south of the capital Santiago.

On both sides of the border, pastures were blanketed in ash, a few animals tried to eat grass, and birds perched on trees looked like concrete statues.

"We don't think the ash is toxic, but we need to take into account the long-term effects on the digestive and respiratory systems of animals," said Christian Hepp, an agronomist for Chile's national institute of livestock studies, which is testing the soil of cow and sheep pastures clouded by ash.

In Chile, evacuated residents complained of being thrown into a state of limbo, not knowing when, or if, they would be able to return.

Chaiten has shot a towering plume of ash 20 kilometres into the sky, forcing thousands of people to evacuate within a 50 kilometres radius.

The column might descend gradually. But in a worst-case scenario, ash and molten rock would drop quickly and engulf the town of Chaiten, just 10 kilometres from the volcano, killing everything in its path.

"We can't put anybody's life at risk," President Michelle Bachelet told weary evacuees huddled in shelters.

Reuters


200 EARTHQUAKES IN SICILY

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Volcano Etna Erupts in Italy
Last time, the volcano erupted in November last year when the Catania airport was shut down due to lava and ash.

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Italian volcano Etna has awakened. Lava started gushing from the 3,350 metre mountain and the surrounding Sicily area, without any residents, was shaken by 200 earthquakes measuring 4.2 on the Richter scale.

Last time, the volcano erupted in November last year when the Catania airport was shut down due to lava and ash. This is the highest active volcano in Europe, according to the Palermo geophysics Institute.

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Karymsky volcano on Kamchatka spews ash column to 4,5 km

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PETROPALVOLSK-KAMCHATSKY, May 10 (Itar-Tass) - The Karymsky volcano on the Kamchatka Peninsula has spewed an ash column to a height of 4.5 kilometres above sea level. There is no danger to nearby settlements, the Kamchatka branch of the Geophysical service of the Russian Academy of Sciences told Itar-Tass on Saturday.

A surge of seismic activity in the area of the volcano has been registered.

Karymsky at present is the most active of 28 burning volcanoes of Kamchatka. It has been erupting for over 11 years already – from January 1996. Scientists are permanently monitoring the volcano. The largest populated locality of Kamchatka – Petropalvovsk-Kamchatsky – is situation some 100 kilometres from Karymsky. The Milkovo settlement district centre is located 90 kilometres from the volcano.







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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Richter Scale
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2008, 07:38:41 am »
A friend who is a respected scientist e-mailed this selection:

Tjeez not Sorcha Faal again? she/he  is a fake, i bet he has another book  to sell?
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« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2008, 06:21:09 pm »
Tjeez not Sorcha Faal again? she/he  is a fake, i bet he has another book  to sell?

Yeah, I know.  Somewhere there is a thread on here about "Sorcha Faal"....and it's some geekoid disinfo agent living in the basement of his mom's house I think.  What is so funny is that if "Sorcha Faal" was really a Russian journalist fighting the NWO - he/she would certainly know all that the Russians are doing to further the globalists agenda in there own sphere of influence, no?  Ah...but from the stuff I've seen...nary a peep.   ;D

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Tjeez not Sorcha Faal again? she/he  is a fake, i bet he has another book  to sell?

The guy who e-mailed them is a good guy.  Maybe he didn't know enough to comment, like me.  :-[
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« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2008, 09:47:55 pm »
The guy who e-mailed them is a good guy.  Maybe he didn't know enough to comment, like me.  :-[

Hey, No worries.   ;D   The very good friend who first alerted me to the NWO sent me a few Sorcha Faal things, she didn't know either.

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with Sorcha Faal you have to realsie that there is a lot of BS, but often it is somehow based on truth or almost truth, it is not entirely a waste of time to read but please do not take it as hard truth, coz it really ain't.
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Re: 'Very dangerous earthquake' rocks China - 7.5 on Richter Scale
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Yeah, it's the Endtimes--everyone go lay in a grave and wait for Jesus!

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« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2010, 07:46:49 am »
Yeah, it's the Endtimes--everyone go lay in a grave and wait for Jesus!

He's coming to take you to a magical paradise!

What in the world does that have to do with the thread topic? Nothing. Save it for the christian mockers thread.
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