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Offline One Revelator

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Adaptogens, Smoking, and Vaping – An Experiment On Myself
« on: December 27, 2017, 03:46:31 pm »
So, I switched from 1.5-2ppd cigarettes to pure USP nicotine about 3 years ago. Since then, there's still been the occasional cigarette. However, I actually prefer the variety of flavors that cigarettes just don't do.

Initially, I noticed the loss of mental acuity coming off the tobacco. But I stuck it out figuring that it might come back. Lately, I've experienced physiological symptoms associated with hypothyroidism: brain fog, joint pain, chronic digestive issues, and chronic lack of energy. A general inflammatory response to things that don't necessarily require inflammation. Explains cravings for caffeine and sugar. NSAIDS were never meant for long-term use.

I could just chalk it up to getting older. But is that necessarily true?

It's this lack of energy that has been prevalent throughout much of my lifetime. One online discussion about these symptoms suggested that ingredients in the tobacco may have been compensating for a hormonal imbalance, or the imbalance may have been the body adapting to a life long smoking habit. Who knows?

Either way there's something missing that was there 3 years ago. And the weakened physiology has become a hindrance. I've considered whole tobacco alkaloids as a possible solution. However, they are more expensive than USP Nic and can lead toward addiction rather than away from it. The manufacturer's intent for this product is to give people something extra to successfully make the switch from smoke to steam. I'm already to the point of needing to cut down the nicotine again. It's becoming harsh. So, I'm headed in the right direction. Occasional Swedish-style SNUS is another option I'm experimenting with to “fill in the gaps”.  But since it involves raw tobacco, I'm a bit dubious. Especially if it comes from RJ Reynolds.

Enter adaptogenic herbs. Or more specifically, rhodiola. Russia has studied this herb and issued it to cosmonauts. It is non toxic and AFAIK non-addictive.

After only 2 doses, I can feel a difference. Things seem a little bit clearer and the digestive cycle has changed, hopefully for the better. I say “hopefully” because I've gotten used to the chronic problems as being “normal”.

I intend to update this thread as longer-term changes develop. But, hey, it's worth a shot. And it's a hella lot cheaper than paying a doctor to say hello, draw blood, and possibly put me on some sort of pharma for life.
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Re: Adaptogens, Smoking, and Vaping – An Experiment On Myself
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2018, 01:51:25 pm »
I want to switch too, so i find this thread very interesting. Keep it up!

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Re: Adaptogens, Smoking, and Vaping – An Experiment On Myself
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2018, 03:20:48 pm »
Update: The rhodiola definitely helps with physiological stress. However, I feel that it is possible to overdo it with this particular supplement. Some days I skip it entirely and some days I have doubled up on the dosage. Since starting, the chronic gastrointestinal problems have improved.

The thing that is possibly unrelated ATM is a low-level, persistent flu or cold that affects the upper respiratory system. This has resulted in extreme sensitivity at times throughout the day to the nicotine in e-liquids. Usually early morning or late evening.  Combined with a wintry 25% humidity in the house, and I go into coughing fits. I have countered with exceptionally low nicotine level mixes for those times. (4mg/ml – MTL) Might even try some zero-nic mixes as well.

Snus supplementation does not produce this reaction. And I have started to snus during extended daytime outside work sessions that involve physical labor in cold temperatures.

@joerider – The switch is entirely possible. I didn't know it would work at first and dual used for about the first month. But a whole lot of people have had success not just getting off the cigarettes, but staying off. That, to me, is the most important part. A lot of people quit, then relapse after 6 months, a year, or several years. It's also a whole lot cheaper these days for people on a fixed income. I guess MAGA hasn't hit my area yet.

Psychologically, I've never said to myself that I was quitting. But today, I simply prefer vape over smoke and would rather not go back. I truly believe COPD was at my doorstep years ago and I've read that the second time around after a relapse is not as easy to do.
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Re: Adaptogens, Smoking, and Vaping – An Experiment On Myself
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2018, 07:42:41 am »
Have you tried the Virgin Vapors?  All Vegetable glycerin, no propylene glycol.  I believe the PG put me in the hospital a few years back--it made my chest tight and it made it hard for me to breath, so I thought I was having a heart attack.  Thank God I didn't.  I traced it back to PG.  Since my switch I haven't had any issues.

I have stopped cigarette smoking for almost 5 years.  I vape and I find it much better for overall health.  If you crave sweets, they have organic wicked watermelon flavor that helps curb my sweets appetite.   :)

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Ashwagandha
Skullcap
St. John’s Wort
Valerian
Mullein

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https://flowingfree.org/best-herbs-to-help-you-quit-smoking/


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Re: Adaptogens, Smoking, and Vaping – An Experiment On Myself
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2018, 12:57:49 pm »
Have you tried the Virgin Vapors?  All Vegetable glycerin, no propylene glycol.  I believe the PG put me in the hospital a few years back--it made my chest tight and it made it hard for me to breath, so I thought I was having a heart attack.  Thank God I didn't.  I traced it back to PG.  Since my switch I haven't had any issues.

I have stopped cigarette smoking for almost 5 years.  I vape and I find it much better for overall health.  If you crave sweets, they have organic wicked watermelon flavor that helps curb my sweets appetite.   :)

A lot of people have reported a PG sensitivity. Although some have also reported a VG sensitivity. They claim it “clogs” the lungs, producing congestion. Sounds like you found what works for you.

I've bought pre-mixed e-liquid 2-3 times over the years just out of curiosity. From the beginning I've mostly mixed my own. Why?

1. It's cheaper in the long run. Start up costs for bulk components may be a little more. But once those are on hand, there is zero spending.

2. I know exactly what's in it. I prefer to shop for the diluents hat have been lab tested for impurities and link to those documents since that is the majority of what I will be inhaling. I'm also interested in the source used to derive the components. VG can apparently be derived from some industrial waste process, for instance. So I look for the stuff derived from palm. It's non-gmo and a tad more expensive. I've used maybe 1.5 gallons of VG in over 2 years so far.

Majority of my mixes are 80% VG, 10% PG, and 10% distilled water. I have mixed 100% VG as well. Although it's a little thick in the tank.

Concentrated flavors have been a roll of the dice. But I've generally been happy with Inawera out of Poland. The tobaccos are quite realistic. And the fruits, beverages, and bakery flavors taste natural. Not like an artificial candy flavor. I also like the concentration and generally use no more than 1% flavor in my mixes. A 10ml bottle of flavor concentrate is $2-$4, And I still haven't used up stuff that was purchased years ago.

3. I fully control the mix. VG/PG ratio not working? No need to shop around. Nicotine too high or too low? Same thing. Is something over flavored, tasting like soap or perfume? I can fix that without scrapping the flavor altogether.

Speaking of USP nicotine, I stocked up concentrate enough for several years prior to the FDA declaring everything a tobacco product. However, levels that have been fine for years are starting to irritate my lungs, causing coughing. So, my mixes are now down to 0, 4, and 8 mg/ml on a MTL “tootle puffer” setup. That's a long way from when I started at 20+mg/ml. So, there's probably enough nic for life at this point.

The sweet flavors have helped a bit to satisfy. But I'm now wondering about outright curbing the desire as expressed on the ACV thread. It would be really cool if that worked.

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Adaptogens
Ashwagandha
Skullcap
St. John’s Wort
Valerian
Mullein

Ashwagandha  is a new-to-me supplement that I'm still testing. So far, it strikes me as a little more powerful than the rhodiola. Swapping between the two every other day.

I've tried St. John’s Wort in the past and got weirded out by it. Had night sweats and, I think, some bizarre dreams.

Valerian I've used as a natural sedative to get to sleep along with, I think, kava-kava. This was before melatonin commonly hit the shelves. Useful for forcing a biological clock change when there is a job involving rotating shift work.

Skullcap and mullein can't say I've tried yet.
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Re: Adaptogens, Smoking, and Vaping – An Experiment On Myself
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2018, 04:51:21 pm »
Rev,

That is quite fascinating that you are making your own vape juice.  I might take a stab at it, when I get some free-time.

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Adaptogens are great, but I do not believe like the medical mafia believe-- "One-size-fits-all."  No it doesn't!  You have to figure out what works for you.

I have read a few reports about Kava-Kave taken long term is not good for the liver.

I also like the amino acid in green tea, L-Theanine.  It's also considered as a nootropic.  It also helps to keep people calm. and helps mental clarity.
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