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Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« on: January 06, 2017, 12:48:52 am »
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California Democrats legalize child prostitution

By Travis Allen • 12/29/16 1:58 PM

Beginning on Jan. 1, prostitution by minors will be legal in California. Yes, you read that right.

SB 1322 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution, or loitering with the intent to do so. So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution.

This terribly destructive legislation was written and passed by the progressive Democrats who control California's state government with a two-thirds "supermajority." To their credit, they are sincere in their belief that decriminalizing underage prostitution is good public policy that will help victims of sex trafficking. Unfortunately, the reality is that the legalization of underage prostitution suffers from the fatal defect endemic to progressive-left policymaking: it ignores experience, common sense and most of all human nature — especially its darker side.

The unintended but predictable consequence of how the real villains — pimps and other traffickers in human misery — will respond to this new law isn't difficult to foresee. Pimping and pandering will still be against the law whether it involves running adult women or young girls. But legalizing child prostitution will only incentivize the increased exploitation of underage girls. Immunity from arrest means law enforcement can't interfere with minors engaging in prostitution — which translates into bigger and better cash flow for the pimps. Simply put, more time on the street and less time in jail means more money for pimps, and more victims for them to exploit.

As Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O'Malley, a national leader on human trafficking issues, told the media, "It just opens up the door for traffickers to use these kids to commit crimes and exploit them even worse." Another prosecutor insightfully observed that if traffickers wrote legislation to protect themselves, it would read like SB 1322.

Minors involved in prostitution are clearly victims, and allowing our law enforcement officers to pick these minors up and get them away from their pimps and into custody is a dramatically better solution than making it legal for them to sell themselves for sex. That only deepens their victimization and renders law enforcement powerless to stop the cycle of abuse. SB 1322 is not simply misguided — its consequences are immoral.

Unfortunately for Californians, SB 1322 isn't an outlier — it's only the tip of the liberal iceberg. 2017 will see the Golden State subjected to wave after wave of laws taking effect that are well-intentioned but disastrous embodiments of progressive utopianism.

One such new Democratic-authored law throws open the door to even greater government dependency on the part of the poor by rolling back proven reforms. In 1996, welfare reform was one of the greatest social legislation achievements of the last century, ending the lifetime welfare system and putting millions of Americans on the road to self-reliance and self-respect. In its wake, California lawmakers passed a law barring increased payments to women who have more children while still on welfare, in order to encourage women to achieve independence before having more children.

It's a tough provision that works — which was apparently irrelevant to Gov. Jerry Brown, who just signed a bill repealing that prohibition. Henceforth, no matter how many children someone has while on welfare, the state government will ratchet up payments with each child, with no limit. Incredibly, the Democratic author of this bill claims she wants to discourage women from having more children while on welfare — but instead passed legislation replacing that effective reform with a law that restarts the cycle of welfare dependency.






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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 08:52:41 am »
Yes Egypt, words fail me.

This makes me physically sick.
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 09:14:47 am »
What the hell are wrong with the people in California its like they are all from a differnt planet

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2017, 10:02:00 am »
This is not America,  Ihave been in a few nations that are not mentioned by MSM in this regard, child prositutuion.
Bluntly, if a man takes a child, be it for sex for hire or not, they are generally exterminated, whacked out one way or another.
This is not on the MSM's news breakers, it is avoided intentionally.
I may be wrong, but Muslim rule dictates , LAW allows young girls to marry, if correct from the age of 10 years, is this going to be law as well in CAL.?????????????
Whoever set this in place should be incarcerated, **********in prison population.
For muck sake a child is not doing this of her own valition, they must have handlers-pimps, gangs etc....
Are these lawmakers ashamed, it sure doesn't look that way. 
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 11:18:00 am »
This is Fear Porn. It did not legalize Child Prostitution, it just decriminalized it, putting children in protective services and not in jail.

Now Protective Services is a whole other story.
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 11:25:42 am »
This is Fear Porn. It did not legalize Child Prostitution, it just decriminalized it, putting children in protective services and not in jail.

Now Protective Services is a whole other story.

This only protect the child traffickers.   >:(

They always decriminalize things that favors them.
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 01:19:33 pm »
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 01:28:54 pm »
I can not be in favour of children being thrown in jail.

The headline was pure click-bait.

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 01:44:40 pm »
I can not be in favour of children being thrown in jail.

The headline was pure click-bait.

Child prostitution has been legalized.   No one advocates putting children in jail before, or since.  What does happen is the pimps are now allowed to freely operate.   This is not good for the children.   What about statutory rape laws and age of consent?  What is the socialistic view?

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 02:06:22 pm »
This is Fear Porn. It did not legalize Child Prostitution, it just decriminalized it, putting children in protective services and not in jail.

Now Protective Services is a whole other story.

They have put them into protective services (don't get me going on that subject) all along.  The decriminalization is basically legalization.  If there is no law against it, it is not illegal.  I believe prostitution itself is illegal in California.  There are no laws against prostitution in certain counties of Nevada that, indeed,  have brothels.  Last I knew, this was the only State of the 50 where this is true.

Making it ok without consequences (on a State level!) and not against the law for children to be prostitutes only serves to protect and enhance the pimping operations that put the children in this type of horrible life that shouldn't ever happen.

Hmmm, gee I wonder about elite activities that involve Podesta-type islands.  Could this really be an attempt to protect ~them~?

More and more it seems that children are looked at as adults in little bodies.  Children are immature beings that are still developing and deserve the best environment (physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually) on all counts to accomplish this toward their best end.

Prostitution is a sad and deplorable situation of abuse and risk.  Child prostitution is an abomination and the work of evil.  Would anyone here want their innocent child under the abusive thumb of a pimp, at risk for their life, diseases & beatings?

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 02:51:38 pm »
This is the best article I've seen on this issue thus far:

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http://www.naturalnews.com/2016-12-31-california-legalizes-child-prostitution-gov-jerry-brown-sb-1322-exploitation.html

California just decriminalized child prostitutes beginning Jan 1… “legalization” stirs outrage

by: Mike Adams
Natural News
December 31, 2016

(NaturalNews) Our world is so twisted today that “fake news” is deliberately written by the Washington Post and New York Times to sound like it’s real, but real news is so bizarre that it seems fabricated at first glance. Such is the case with California’s new law — SB 1322 — that officially legalizes child prostitution beginning January 1. “SB 1322 decriminalizes prostitution charges for minors,” explains a press release from California lawmakers (link below).

SB 1322, entitled “SB-1322 Commercial sex acts: minors”, spells it out in plain language: (click here to read the text of the law yourself)

Existing law makes it a crime to solicit or engage in any act of prostitution. Existing law makes it a crime to loiter in any public place with the intent to commit prostitution.

This bill would make the above provisions inapplicable to a child under 18 years of age who is alleged to have engaged in conduct that would, if committed by an adult, violate the above provisions.


SB 1322 was signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown on September 26, 2016. “Instead of being treated as criminals, youths to get supervision and counseling services,” explains a government press release.

The law does not legalize adults soliciting sex with children, of course. Instead, it decriminalizes children and teens who engage in prostitution themselves. The idea, according to California lawmakers, is that such children should receive “counseling” instead of criminal charges.

Notably, there is no age limit on how young a legalized prostitute can now be, meaning that even children as young as 12 years old can legally sell their bodies for sex under California law. Or even nine year olds!

Gov. Brown, by the way, is the same politician who also signed SB 277, the “vaccine mandate” law that causes young African-American boys to be neurologically damaged and made autistic. That link has already been publicly admitted by a top CDC scientist.

Prostitution is still a crime if you’re 18 or older, but it’s legal if you’re 17 or younger… huh?

Now, thanks to Gov. Brown, 17-year-old boys and girls in California have legal immunity to engage in open prostitution. But when they turn 18, suddenly they’re criminals.

Meanwhile, prostitution “clients” are considered rapists or sex offenders if they engage in sex acts with children under the age of 18. So now, according to California’s totally insane Governor and legislature, 17-year-old prostitutes can openly stand on street corners and sell their bodies with complete legal immunity… all in the name of “compassion” from a “safe space” California culture that has gone so far off the deep end, the rest of the country desperately hopes #CalExit will succeed.

Governor Jerry Brown even brags about legalizing child prostitution, saying it will “stop the exploiters and help the exploited.” No one outside the fairy tale land of Collapsifornia understands how that logic works. If prostitution is legalized for children, how does that “stop the exploiters” who would then rush to recruit under-age children to serve as sex workers with the benefit of legal immunity?

If California really wants to stop the exploiters, why doesn’t the state just legalize all consenting acts between adults and stop criminalizing adult prostitution altogether? To maintain the criminality of sex acts between adults while legalizing sex acts sold by minors seems so completely insane that it could only come from a place like Collapsifornia — a delusional bubble of artificial reality run by Big Brother meddlers and an endless parade of do-gooder nanny state libtardocrats who still haven’t learned a single thing about why “good intentions” alone are never enough.

Pimps rejoice as California’s lunatic liberal lawmakers open the floodgates to exploiting young teens for the sex trade

“The unintended but predictable consequence of how the real villains — pimps and other traffickers in human misery — will respond to this new law isn’t difficult to foresee,” writes the Washington Examiner. “But legalizing child prostitution will only incentivize the increased exploitation of underage girls. Immunity from arrest means law enforcement can’t interfere with minors engaging in prostitution — which translates into bigger and better cash flow for the pimps. Simply put, more time on the street and less time in jail means more money for pimps, and more victims for them to exploit.”

The Examiner adds:

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 06:11:17 pm »
Putting children in jail for prostitution is not the answer. That is where the cycle continues.

Where this legislation fails is that there was no preceding legislation for funding of help centers, no mandates or funding to our higher institutions of learning, for studies in how to break this cycle.

Most of these children will be dead by the age of 21, so most don't care.
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 06:14:22 pm »
This only protect the child traffickers.   >:(

They always decriminalize things that favors them.
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New California Law Does Not Legalize Child Prostitution - NBC News
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A California Republican claims Democratic-backed legislation aimed at protecting underage sex trafficking victims actually pushes minors into prostitution.

"Beginning on Jan. 1, prostitution by minors will be legal in California. Yes, you read that right," Assemblyman Travis Allen, whose district covers parts of Orange County, wrote Thursday in the conservative D.C. publication the Washington Examiner.

Allen's attack on the "terribly destructive legislation" has lit up social media — but the intention of the law is not as alarming as he suggests, its supporters say.

Senate Bill 1322, which was signed into law by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown in September, goes into effect on Sunday.

"So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution," Allen wrote.

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30 december 2016 - 1, prostitution by minors will be legal in California. ... theoretically allow pimps who exploit children to continue doing so because the children ...

A California Republican claims Democratic-backed legislation aimed at protecting underage sex trafficking victims actually pushes minors into prostitution.

"Beginning on Jan. 1, prostitution by minors will be legal in California. Yes, you read that right," Assemblyman Travis Allen, whose district covers parts of Orange County, wrote Thursday in the conservative D.C. publication the Washington Examiner.

Allen's attack on the "terribly destructive legislation" has lit up social media — but the intention of the law is not as alarming as he suggests, its supporters say.

Senate Bill 1322, which was signed into law by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown in September, goes into effect on Sunday.

"So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution," Allen wrote.

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 06:38:15 pm »
Let's not forget that these are the same California legislators who were so concerned 'for the children' that they made it law (illegally according to the 1905 supreme court) that no child can attend a public school without taking up to 72 vaccines (and counting). 

They obviously have distain for children.
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 10:07:58 pm »
Putting children in jail for prostitution is not the answer. That is where the cycle continues.

Where this legislation fails is that there was no preceding legislation for funding of help centers, no mandates or funding to our higher institutions of learning, for studies in how to break this cycle.

Most of these children will be dead by the age of 21, so most don't care.

You beat me to it. I've been multi-tasking, and the point you just made was on my to-do list.

Putting kids in city or county jail for prostitution is, as you rightly say, not the answer.

But neither is passing a law making it easier for pimps and sexual predators to put these same kids in the open-air, de facto jail known as child sex slavery, while leaving firmly entrenched the backwards economic polices that made so many children vulnerable to such exploitation in the first place.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

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Why do children on the street whore themselves out to begin with?

For one simple reason: because they need money.

Why are they so desperate for money? In many cases, to finance a drug habit.

But I would argue that -- more often than not -- these drug habits are the result of prostitution, not their cause.

The primary root cause of this is an economic system that allows a mere subset of the population (what I call the "landlord class") to assert exclusive, unconditional "ownership" of the earth on which all human beings must live yet which none produced, thereby forcing millions of people to do whatever they possibly can, no matter how degrading or dehumanizing, to earn their monthly existence fee money -- i.e. "rent" money which they must pay the landlord class for the mere privilege of existing on "their" planet.

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http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Housing-crisis-taking-toll-with-no-fault-evictions-4988391.php

Housing crisis taking toll with no-fault evictions

Marisa Lagos and John Coté
SFGate
November 16, 2013

Jennifer Mieuli Jameson isn't the kind of person you would expect to be losing her home.

The middle-class, 48-year-old Sunset District resident has manicured nails, well-coiffed hair and neat clothing. A paralegal who was laid off during the economic downturn, she now runs a nonprofit dog rescue organization. Her husband works in information technology for a law firm. She is not elderly or disabled. She has not lived in her rental for decades.

And when she and her husband are forced out of their Sunset District home because their rent is doubling, they will not be counted among the city's evictions.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Business/san-francisco-landlord-tells-tenants-make-100k/story?id=23611110

San Francisco Landlord Tells Tenants: Make $100K, Have 725 Credit Score

By Alan Farnham
ABC News
May 06, 2014

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How tight is San Francisco’s housing market? So tight that the landlord of a rent-controlled apartment building at 312 Fillmore Street has sent a memo to his existing tenants, telling them they must show they have an annual income of at least $100,000 and a FICO credit score of at least 725.

Or else...what? The memo (which describes itself as “informational”) doesn't say.

When ABC News phoned landlord Robert Shelton to ask, he hung up. When an ABC News reporter knocked on his door, Shelton slammed it in her face.

Local housing and tenants’ rights experts tell ABC News they are in no doubt what such memos are meant to accomplish: They’re supposed to scare the heck out of tenants, on the chance that ones unaware of their rights will vacate.

Landlords want old tenants out so that they charge new ones higher rent, explains Delene Wolf, executive director of the San Francisco Rent Board. She tells ABC News she has specialized in local rent control issues for 30 years. But, she says, “I have never seen rents like this--not even during the dotcom boom. A teeny 1-bedroom can go for $4,000 a month.” The bidding-up of rents she calls a frenzy. The market, she says, "is amazing--but not in a good way.”

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/10/san-francisco-landlord-uses-loophole-to-evict-98-year-old-who-paid-rent-on-time-for-50-years/

San Francisco landlord uses loophole to evict 98-year-old who paid rent on time for 50 years

By David Edwards
Raw Story
July 10, 2014



A 98-year-old San Francisco woman said this week that she is being evicted from her apartment after 50 years, and she’s never once been late paying her rent.

KRON reported that Urban Green Investments is using the 1986 Ellis Act to kick Mary Phillips out of her apartment so the company can cash in on the surging real estate market in San Francisco. The Ellis Act allows landlords to evict tenants if they are getting out of the rental business.

“I’ve been very happy here,” Phillips explained. “I’ve always paid my rent, I’ve never been late.”

Phillips, who is one of many the low-income families and seniors being evicted, has vowed to fight the eviction because she has nowhere else to go.

“I didn’t sit down and cry, I just refused to believe it,” she said. “They’re going to have to take me out of here feet first.”

“Just because of your age, don’t let people push you around,” she said.

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http://www.fox23.com/news/national/nuns-who-help-homeless-face-eviction-in-costly-san-francisco/68818997

Nuns who help homeless face eviction in costly San Francisco

by: JANIE HAR
Associated Press
Feb 9, 2016

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Sister Mary Benedicte wants to focus on feeding the hungry lined up outside a soup kitchen in a gritty part of San Francisco.

But the city's booming economy means even seedy neighborhoods are demanding higher rents, threatening to force out an order of nuns who serve the homeless.

The sisters of Fraternite Notre Dame's Mary of Nazareth House said Tuesday that they can't afford a monthly rent increase of more than 50 percent, from $3,465 to $5,500, and they have asked their landlord for more time to find a cheaper place to serve the poor.

"Everywhere the rent is very high, and many places don't want a soup kitchen in their place," said Sister Mary Benedicte on Tuesday, in her French-accented English. "It's very, very hard to find a place for a soup kitchen where people can feel welcome and where we can set up a kitchen for a reasonable price."

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Thy Kingdom Come

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A sermon delivered in the City Hall, Glasgow, Scotland, Sunday April 28, 1889, under the auspices of the Henry George Institute, and afterwards circulated extensively in tract form by the Scottish Land Restoration League.

WE have just joined in the most solemn, the most sacred, the most catholic of all prayers: “Our Father which art in Heaven!” To all of us who have learned it in our infancy, it oft calls up the sweetest and most tender emotions. Sometimes with feeling, sometimes as a matter of course, how often have we repeated it! For centuries, daily, hourly, has that prayer gone up. “Thy kingdom come!” Has it come? Let this Christian city of Glasgow answer—Glasgow, that was to “Flourish by the preaching of the Word.” “Thy kingdom come!” Day after day, Sunday after Sunday, week after week, century after century, has that prayer gone up; and today, in this so-called Christian city of Glasgow, 125,000 human beings—so your medical officer says—125,000 children of God are living whole families in a single room. “Thy kingdom come!” We have been praying for it and praying for it, yet it has not come. So long has it tarried that many think it never will come. Here is the vital point in which what we are accustomed to call the Christianity of the present day differs so much from that Christianity which overran the ancient world—that Christianity which, beneath a rotten old civilization, planted the seeds of a newer and a higher. We have become accustomed to think that God’s kingdom is not intended for this world; that, virtually, this is the devil’s world, and that God’s kingdom is in some other sphere, to which He is to take good people when they die—as good Americans are said when they die to go to Paris. If that be so, what is the use of praying for the coming of the kingdom? Is God—the Christian’s God, the Almighty, the loving Father of whom Christ told—is He such a monster as a god of that kind would be; a god who looks on this world, sees its sufferings and its miseries, sees high faculties aborted, lives stunted, innocence turned to vice and crime, and heart-strings strained and broken, yet, having it in his power, will not bring that kingdom of peace, and love, and plenty, and happiness? Is God, indeed, a self-willed despot, whom we must coax to do the good He might?

But, think of it. The Almighty—and I say it with reverence—the Almighty could not bring that kingdom of Himself. For, what is the kingdom of God; the kingdom that Christ taught us to pray for? Is it not in the doing of God’s will, not by automata, not by animals who are compelled, but by intelligent beings made in His image; intelligent beings clothed with free will, intelligent beings knowing good from evil. Swedenborg never said a deeper nor a truer thing, nor a thing more compatible with the philosophy of Christianity, than when he said God had never put any one into hell; that the devils went to hell because they would rather go to hell than go to heaven. The spirits of evil would be unhappy in a place where the spirit of good reigned: wedded to injustice, and loving injustice, they would be miserable where justice was the law. And, correlatively, God could not put intelligent beings having free will into conditions where they must do right without destroying that free will. Nay! Nay! “Thy kingdom come!”—when Christ taught that prayer He meant, not merely that men must idly phrase these words, but that for the coming of that kingdom they must work as well as pray!

Prayer! Consider what prayer is. How true is the old fable! The wagoner, whose wagon was stuck in the rut, knelt down and prayed to Jove to get it out. He might have prayed till the crack of doom, and the wagon would have stood there. This world—God’s world—is not that kind of a world in which the repeating of words will get wagons out of mire or poverty out of slums. He who would pray with effect must work!

“Our Father which art in Heaven.” Not a despot, ruling by his arbitrary fiats, but a father, a loving father, our father; a father for us all—that was Christ’s message. He is our Father and we are His children. But there are men, who, looking around on the suffering and injustice with which, even in so-called Christian countries, human life is full, say there is no Father in heaven, there can be no God, or He would not permit this. How superficial is that thought! What would we as fathers do for our children? Is there any man, who, having a knowledge of the world and the laws of human life, would so surround his boy with safeguards that he could do no evil and could suffer no pain? What could he make by that course of education? A pampered animal, not a self-reliant man! We are, indeed, His children. Yet let one of God’s children fall into the water, and if he has not learned to swim he will drown. And if he is a good distance from land and near no boat or anything on which he may get, he will drown anyhow, whether he can swim or not. God the Creator might have made men so that they could swim like the fishes, but how could He have made them so that they could swim like the fishes and yet have adapted this wonderful frame of ours to all the purposes which the intelligence that is lodged within it requires to use it for? God can make a fish; He can make a bird; but could He, His laws being what they are, make an animal that might at once swim as well as a fish and fly as well as a bird? That the intelligence which we must recognize behind nature is almighty does not mean that it can contradict itself and stultify its own laws. No; we are the children of God. What God is, who shall say? But every man is conscious of this, that behind what he sees there must have been a Power to bring that forth; that behind what he knows there is an intelligence far greater than that which is lodged in the human mind, but which human intelligence does in some infinitely less degree resemble.

Yes; we are His children. We in some sort have that power of adapting things which we know must have been exerted to bring this universe into being. Consider those great ships for which this port of Glasgow is famous all over the world; consider one of those great ocean steamers, such as the Umbria, or the Etruria, or the City of New York, or the City of Paris. There, in the ocean which such ships cleave, are the porpoises, there are the whales, there are the dolphins, there are all manner of fish. They are today just as they were when Caesar crossed to this island, just as they were before the first ancient Briton launched his leather-covered boat. Man today can swim no better than man could swim then, but consider how by his intelligence he has advanced higher and higher, how his power of making things has developed, until now he crosses the great ocean quicker than any fish. Consider one of those great steamers forcing her way across the Atlantic Ocean, four hundred miles a day, against a living gale. Is she not in some sort a product of a godlike power—a machine in some sort like the very fishes that swim underneath? Here is the distinguishing thing between man and the animals; here is the broad and unpassable gulf. Man among all the animals is the only maker. Man among all the animals is the only one that possesses that godlike power of adapting means to ends. And is it possible that man possesses the power of so adapting means to ends that he can cross the Atlantic in six days, and yet does not possess the power of abolishing the conditions that crowd thousands of families into one room? When we consider the achievements of man and then look upon the misery that exists today in the very centers of wealth, upon the ignorance, the weakness, the injustice, that characterize our highest civilization, we may know of a surety that it is not the fault of God; it is the fault of man. May we not know that in that very power God has given to His children here, in that power of rising higher, there is involved—and necessarily involved-- the power of falling lower?

“Our Father!” “Our Father!” Whose? Not my Father—that is not the prayer. “Our Father”—not the father of any sect, of any class, but the Father of all men. The All-Father, the equal Father, the loving Father. He it is we ask to bring the kingdom. Aye, we ask it with our lips! We call him “Our Father,” the All, the Universal Father, when we kneel down to pray to Him. But that He is the All-Father—that He is all men’s Father—we deny by our institutions. The All-Father who made the world, the All-Father who created man in His image, and put him upon the earth to draw his subsistence from its bosom; to find in the earth all the materials that satisfy his wants, waiting only to be worked up by his labor! If He is the All-Father, then are not all human beings, all children of the Creator, equally entitled to the use of His bounty? And, yet, our laws say that this God’s earth is not here for the use of all His children, but only for the use of a privileged few! There was a little dialogue published in the United States, in the West, some time ago. Possibly you may have seen it. It is between a boy and his father, when visiting a brick-yard. The boy looks at the men making bricks, and he asks who those dirty men are, why they are making up the clay, and what they are doing it for. He learns, and then he asks about the owner of the brick-yard. “He does not make any bricks; he gets his income from letting the other men make bricks.” Then the boy asks about what title there is to the bricks, and is told that it comes from the men having made them. Then he wants to know how the man who owns the brick-yard gets his title to the brick-yard— whether he made it? “No, he did not make it,” the father replies, “God made it.” The boy asks, “Did God make it for him?” Whereat his father tells him that he must not ask questions such as that, but that anyhow it is all right, and it is all in accordance with God’s law. Then the boy, who of course was a Sunday-school boy, and had been to church, goes off mumbling to himself that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die for all men; but that He so loved the owner of this brick-yard that he gave him not merely his only begotten Son but the brick-yard too.

This has a blasphemous sound. But I do not refer to it lightly. I do not like to speak lightly of sacred subjects. Yet it is well sometimes that we should be fairly shocked into thinking. Think of what Christianity teaches us; think of the life and death of Him who came to die for men! Think of His teachings, that we are all the equal children of an Almighty Father, who is no respecter of persons, and then think of this legalized injustice—this denial of the most important, most fundamental rights of the children of God, which so many of the very men who teach Christianity uphold; nay, which they blasphemously assert is the design and the intent of the Creator himself. Better to me, higher to me, is the atheist, who says there is no God, than the professed Christian, who, prating of the goodness and the Fatherhood of God, tells us in words as some do, or tells us indirectly as others do, that millions and millions of human creatures—[at this point a child was heard crying]—don’t take the little thing out—that millions and millions of human beings, like that little baby, are being brought into the world daily by the creative fiat, and no place in this world provided for them. Aye! tells us that, by the laws of God, the poor are created in order that the rich may have the unctuous satisfaction of dealing out charity to them—tells us that a state of things like that which exists in this city of Glasgow, as in other great cities on both sides of the Atlantic, where little children are dying every day, dying by hundreds of thousands, because, having come into this world—those children of God, with His fiat, by His decree—they find that there is not space on the earth sufficient for them to live; and are driven out of God’s world because they cannot get room enough, cannot get air enough, cannot get sustenance enough. I believe in no such god. If I did, though I might bend before him in fear, I would hate him in my heart. Not room enough for the little children here! Look around any country in the civilized world; is there not room enough and to spare? Not food enough? Look at the unemployed labor, look at the idle acres, look through every country and see natural opportunities going to waste. Aye! that Christianity that puts on the Creator the evil, the injustice, the suffering, the degradation that are due to man’s injustice, is worse, far worse, than atheism. That is the blasphemy, and if there be a sin against the Holy Ghost, that is the unpardonable sin!

Why, consider—"Give us this day our daily bread.” I stopped in a hotel last week—a hydropathic establishment. A hundred or more guests sat down to table together. Before they ate anything, a man stood up, and, thanking God, asked Him to make us all grateful for His bounty. So at every meal-time such an acknowledgment is made over well-filled boards. What do men mean by it? Is it mockery, or what?

If Adam, when he got out of Eden, had sat down and commenced to pray, he might have prayed till this time without getting anything to eat unless he went to work for it. Yet food is God’s bounty. He does not bring meat all cooked, nor vegetables all prepared, nor lay the plates, nor spread the cloth. What He gives are the opportunities of producing these things—of bringing them forth by labor. His mandate is—it is written in the Holy Word, it is graven on every fact in nature-—that by labor we shall bring forth these things. Nature gives to labor and to nothing else. What God gives are the natural elements that are indispensable to labor. He gives them, not to one, not to some, not to one generation, but to all. They are His gifts, His bounty to the whole human race. And yet in all our civilized countries what do we see? That a few men have appropriated these bounties, claiming them as theirs alone, while the great majority have no legal right to apply their labor to the reservoirs of nature and draw from the Creator’s bounty. And thus it comes that all over the civilized world that class that is called peculiarly the “laboring class” is the poor class, and that men who do no labor, who pride themselves on never having done honest labor and on being descended from fathers and grandfathers who never did a stroke of honest labor in their lives, revel in a superabundance of all the things that labor brings forth.

Mr. Abner Thomas, of New York, a strict orthodox Presbyterian—and the son of that Dr. Thomas, famous in America if not here, the pastor of a Presbyterian church in Philadelphia, and the author of a commentary on the Bible that is still a standard work—wrote a little while ago an allegory, called “A Dream.” Dozing off in his chair, he imagined that he was ferried over the River of Death, and, taking the straight and narrow way, came at last within sight of the Golden City. A fine-looking old gentleman angel opened the wicket, inquired his name, and let him in; warning him, at the same time, that it would be better if he chose his company in heaven, and did not associate with disreputable angels.

“What!” said the newcomer, “is not this heaven?”

“Yes,” said the warden, “but there are a lot of tramp angels here now.”

“How can that be?” said Mr. Thomas, in his dream. “I thought everybody had plenty in heaven.”

“It used to be that way some time ago,” said the warden; “and if you wanted to get your harp polished or your wings combed, you had to do it yourself. But matters have changed since we adopted the same kind of property regulations in heaven as you have in civilized countries on earth, and we find it a great improvement, at least for the better class.”

Then the warden told the newcomer that he had better decide where he was going to board.

“I don’t want to board anywhere,” said Thomas; “I would much rather go over to that beautiful green knoll and lie down.”

“I would not advise you to do so,” said the warden; “the angel who owns that knoll does not like to encourage trespassing. Some centuries ago, as I told you, we introduced the system of private property in the soil of heaven. So we divided the land up. It is all private property now.”

“I hope I was considered in that division?” said Thomas.

“No,” said the warden, “you were not; but if you go to work, and are saving, you can easily earn enough in a couple of centuries to buy yourself a nice piece. You get a pair of wings free as you come in, and you will have no difficulty in hypothecating them for a few days’ board until you find work. But I would advise you to be quick about it, as our population is constantly increasing, and there is a great surplus of labor. Tramp angels are, in fact, becoming quite a nuisance.”

“What shall I go to work at?” said Thomas.

“Our principal industries,” responded the warden, “are the making of harps and crowns and the growing of flowers; but there are many opportunities for employment in personal service.”

“I love flowers,” said Thomas, “and I will go to work growing them. There is a beautiful piece of land over there that nobody seems to be using. I will go to work on that.”

“You can’t do that,” said the warden. “That property belongs to one of our most far-sighted angels, who has got very rich by the advance of land values, and who is holding that piece for a rise. You will have to buy it or feu it before you can work on it, and you can’t do that yet.”

And so the story goes on to describe how the roads of heaven, the streets of the New Jerusalem, were filled with disconsolate tramp angels, who had pawned their wings, and were outcasts in heaven itself.

You laugh, and it is ridiculous. But there is a moral in it that is worth serious thought. Is not the ridiculousness in our imagining the application to God’s heaven of the same rules of division that we apply to God’s earth, even while we pray that His will may be done on earth as it is done in heaven?

Really, if you come to think of it, it is impossible to imagine heaven treated as we treat this earth, without seeing that, no matter how salubrious were its air, no matter how bright the light that filled it, no matter how magnificent its vegetable growth, there would be poverty, and suffering, and a division of classes in heaven itself, if heaven were parceled out as we have parceled out the earth. And, conversely, if men in this life were to act towards each other as we must suppose the inhabitants of heaven to do, would not this earth be a very heaven? “Thy kingdom come.” No one can think of the kingdom for which the prayer asks without feeling that it must be a kingdom of justice and equality—not necessarily of equality in condition, but of equality in opportunity. And no one can think of it without seeing that a very kingdom of God might be brought on this earth if men would but seek to do justice—if men would but acknowledge the essential principle of Christianity, that of doing to others as we would have others do to us, and of recognizing that we are all here equally the children of the one Father, equally entitled to share His bounty, equally entitled to live our lives and develop our faculties, and to apply our labor to the raw material that He has provided. Aye! and when a man sees that, then there arises that hope of the coming of the kingdom that carried the Gospel through the streets of Rome, that carried it into pagan lands, that made it, against the most ferocious persecution, the dominant religion of the world. Early Christianity did not mean, in its prayer for the coming of Christ’s kingdom, a kingdom in heaven, but a kingdom on earth. If Christ had simply preached of the other world, the high priests and the Pharisees would not have persecuted Him, the Roman soldiery would not have nailed His hands to the cross. Why was Christianity persecuted? Why were its first professors thrown to wild beasts, burned to light a tyrant’s gardens, hounded, tortured, put to death, by all the cruel devices that a devilish ingenuity could suggest? Not that it was a new religion, referring only to the future. Rome was tolerant of all religions. It was the boast of Rome that all gods were sheltered in her Pantheon; it was the boast of Rome that she made no interference with the religions of peoples she conquered. What was persecuted was a great movement for social reform—the Gospel of Justice—heard by common fishermen with gladness, carried by laborers and slaves into the Imperial City. The Christian revelation was the doctrine of human equality, of the fatherhood of God, of the brotherhood of man. It struck at the very basis of that monstrous tyranny that then oppressed the civilized world; it struck at the fetters of the captive, at the bonds of the slave, at that monstrous injustice which allowed a class to revel on the proceeds of labor, while those who did the labor fared scantily. That is the reason why early Christianity was persecuted. And when they could no longer hold it down, then the privileged classes adopted and perverted the new faith, and it became, in its very triumph, not the pure Christianity of the early days, but a Christianity that, to a very great extent, was the servitor of the privileged classes. And, instead of preaching the essential fatherhood of God, the essential brotherhood of man, its high priests engrafted on the pure truths of the Gospel the blasphemous doctrine that the All-Father is a respecter of persons, and that by His will and on His mandate is founded that monstrous injustice which condemns the great mass of humanity to unrequited hard toil. There has been no failure of Christianity. The failure has been in the sort of Christianity that has been preached.

Nothing is clearer than that if we are all children of the universal Father, we are all entitled to the use of His bounty. No one dare deny that proposition. But the men who set their faces against its carrying out say, virtually: “Oh, yes! that is true; but it is impracticable to carry it into effect!” Just think of what this means: This is God’s world, and yet such men say that it is a world in which God’s justice, God’s will, cannot be carried into effect. What a monstrous absurdity, what a monstrous blasphemy! If the loving God does reign, if His laws are the laws not merely of the physical but of the moral universe, there must be a way of carrying His will into effect, there must be a way of doing equal justice to all His creatures.

And so there is. The men who deny that there is any practical way of carrying into effect the perception that all human beings are equally children of the Creator, shut their eyes to the plain and obvious way. It is of course impossible in a civilization like this of ours to divide land up into equal pieces. Such a system might have done in a primitive state of society, among a people such as that for whom the Mosaic code was framed. It would not do in this state of society. We have progressed in civilization beyond such rude devices, but we have not, nor can we, progress beyond God’s providence. There is a way of securing the equal rights of all, not by dividing land up into equal pieces, but by taking for the use of all that value which attaches to land, not as the result of individual labor upon it, but as the result of the increase of population, and the improvement of society. In that way everyone would be equally interested in the land of his native country. If he used a more valuable piece than his neighbor he would pay a heavier tax. If he made no direct use of any land he would still be an equal sharer in the revenue. Here is the simple way. Aye! and it is a way that impresses the man who really sees its beauty with a more vivid idea of the beneficence of the providence of the All-Father than it seems to me anything else. One cannot look, it seems to me, through nature; whether he look at the stars through a telescope, or have the microscope reveal to him those worlds that we find in drops of water, whether he consider the human frame, the adjustments of the animal kingdom, or of any department of physical nature, he must see that there has been a contriver and adjuster, that there has been an intent. So strong is that feeling, so natural is it to our minds, that even men who deny the creative intelligence are forced, in spite of themselves, to talk of intent. The claws of one animal were intended, we say, to climb with; the fins of another to propel it through the water. Yet, while in looking through the laws of physical nature, we find intelligence, we do not so clearly find beneficence. But in the great social fact that as population increases, and improvements are made, and men progress in civilization, the one thing that rises everywhere in value is land, we may see a proof of the beneficence of the Creator.

Why, consider what it means! It means that the social laws are adapted to progressive man! In a rude state of society where there is no need for common expenditure, there is no value attaching to land. The only value which attaches there is to things produced by labor But as civilization goes on, as a division of labor takes place, as men come into centers, so do the common wants increase and so does the necessity for public revenue arise. And so in that value which attaches to land, not by reason of anything the individual does, but by reason of the growth of the community, is a provision, intended—we may safely say intended—to meet that social want. Just as society grows, so do the common needs grow, and so grows this value attaching to land—the provided fund from which they can be supplied. Here is a value that may be taken, without impairing the right of property, without taking anything from the producer, without lessening the natural rewards of industry and thrift. Nay, here is a value that must be taken if we would prevent the most monstrous of all monopolies. What does all this mean? It means that in the creative plan, the natural advance in civilization is an advance to a greater and greater equality instead of to a more and more monstrous inequality.

“Thy kingdom come!” It may be that we shall never see it. But to the man who realizes that it may come, to the man who realizes that it is given to him to work for the coming of God’s kingdom on earth, there is for him, though he never see that kingdom here, an exceeding great reward—the reward of feeling that he, little and insignificant though he may be, is doing something to help the coming of that kingdom, doing something on the side of that good power that shows all through the universe, doing something to tear this world from the devil's grasp, and make it the kingdom of righteousness. Aye, and though it should never come, yet those who struggle for it know in the depths of their hearts that it must exist somewhere—they know that somewhere, some time, those who strive their best for the coming of the kingdom, will be welcomed into the kingdom, and that to them, even to them, some time, somewhere, the King shall say: “Well done, thou good and faithful servant, enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.”
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2017, 10:27:34 pm »
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Thy Kingdom Come

Why, consider—"Give us this day our daily bread.” I stopped in a hotel last week—a hydropathic establishment. A hundred or more guests sat down to table together. Before they ate anything, a man stood up, and, thanking God, asked Him to make us all grateful for His bounty. So at every meal-time such an acknowledgment is made over well-filled boards. What do men mean by it? Is it mockery, or what?


This reminded me of one of my favorite movies... James Stewart in Shenandoah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbZUufk7KYQ
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2017, 04:16:19 pm »

In San Francisco, the pimps may as well just get a big house, put all the kids in it and say "here they are, ready & waiting!"

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2017, 04:51:57 pm »
Let's not forget that these are the same California legislators who were so concerned 'for the children' that they made it law (illegally according to the 1905 supreme court) that no child can attend a public school without taking up to 72 vaccines (and counting). 

They obviously have distain for children.
                John,,,,,,,,,Your well read on this subject, this is news to me and frankly it's sickning that a youngster must be vaccinated 72 times.
Seems to me this is the soft kill you have spoken about for some time.
                My kids, adults now and my granchildren have never taken vaccines, I would go off the deep end if so much as mentioned and they knew it. Years ago two of my cousins were told vaccineswere mandatory,t hey were nurses.. I had long talks ( ranted) with them, to make it short, none of their teams as well took the vacines, they switched the contents to avoid the vaccines..
               we are on the same chanel on this subject.

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2017, 10:14:30 pm »
Those responsible for passing this law that allows the victimization of children, need to be recalled.  All of them.



Procedure for Recalling State and Local Officials in CA
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/procedure-recalling-state-and-local-officials/

Procedure for Recalling State and Local Officials
Preface

Recall is the power of the voters to remove elected officials before their terms expire. It has been a fundamental part of our governmental system since 1911 and has been used by voters to express their dissatisfaction with their elected representatives.

This publication examines the law of recall as it applies to state and local officials. In some ways, the procedures that apply to the recall of state officials are different from those that apply to local officials. Therefore, this publication is divided into separate parts to help avoid confusion. Be sure to check the Table of Contents to ensure you are referencing the proper procedure.

Please note that the procedures described herein do not apply to federal officers. Federal officers are not subject to recall. The removal of U.S. Representatives or U.S. Senators is governed by the United States Constitution, Article 1, Sec. 5 (2), which states "Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States are removed through the process of "impeachment" which is governed by the United States Constitution.

This Guide is designed to reflect all current laws, regulations and rules that pertain to recall, but it does not have the force and effect of law, regulation or rule. Therefore, in the unlikely event there is a conflict between the Guide and a law, regulation or rule, the law, regulation or rule shall take precedence. Before beginning any recall effort, the proponents should obtain the most up-to-date information available.

Revised December 2014
Chapter I — General Recall Provisions
Recall in General

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2017, 11:31:58 pm »
                John,,,,,,,,,Your well read on this subject, this is news to me and frankly it's sickning that a youngster must be vaccinated 72 times.
Seems to me this is the soft kill you have spoken about for some time.
                My kids, adults now and my granchildren have never taken vaccines, I would go off the deep end if so much as mentioned and they knew it. Years ago two of my cousins were told vaccineswere mandatory,t hey were nurses.. I had long talks ( ranted) with them, to make it short, none of their teams as well took the vacines, they switched the contents to avoid the vaccines..
               we are on the same chanel on this subject.

Obvious soft kill, and yet so many young parents have not a lick of common sense or discernment to stand up to the white coats assault on the plain folks.
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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 07:00:30 am »
Those responsible for passing this law that allows the victimization of children, need to be recalled.  All of them.



Procedure for Recalling State and Local Officials in CA
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/procedure-recalling-state-and-local-officials/

Procedure for Recalling State and Local Officials
Preface

Recall is the power of the voters to remove elected officials before their terms expire. It has been a fundamental part of our governmental system since 1911 and has been used by voters to express their dissatisfaction with their elected representatives.

This publication examines the law of recall as it applies to state and local officials. In some ways, the procedures that apply to the recall of state officials are different from those that apply to local officials. Therefore, this publication is divided into separate parts to help avoid confusion. Be sure to check the Table of Contents to ensure you are referencing the proper procedure.

Please note that the procedures described herein do not apply to federal officers. Federal officers are not subject to recall. The removal of U.S. Representatives or U.S. Senators is governed by the United States Constitution, Article 1, Sec. 5 (2), which states "Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States are removed through the process of "impeachment" which is governed by the United States Constitution.

This Guide is designed to reflect all current laws, regulations and rules that pertain to recall, but it does not have the force and effect of law, regulation or rule. Therefore, in the unlikely event there is a conflict between the Guide and a law, regulation or rule, the law, regulation or rule shall take precedence. Before beginning any recall effort, the proponents should obtain the most up-to-date information available.

Revised December 2014
Chapter I — General Recall Provisions
Recall in General

Recall is the power of the voters to remove an elective officer....



               Hi E.  What the hell is it about California, I just don't get it.....I too would LUV to see a recall, that would require courage and a sense of basic morality..    Seems to me they lack these traits.

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Re: Child Prostitution Legalized in California: Starts Jan 1, 2017
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2017, 12:57:23 pm »

Hi Chris  :)

IMHO -- CA is overrun to the max by foreign, illiterate (in their own language & English), not informed in American ways, non integrating persons who desire American goodies, while at the same time not understanding how these things exist.

Where they come from is completely different in the area of personal freedom & justice.  Instead it is full of corruption, pay-to-play bribery (like to simply drive your car down the street), degradation & poverty,  gang/thug mentality

So, when it happens to them here -- it is par for the course and expected.  In fact, they look for it, promote the lifestyle, to get along.

They have no clue their voice speaks in America.  They are the ones floundering and not knowing what to think or feel because they voted as they were told to, and it didn't happen.

CA used to be a complete paradise, country-side-wise and people/culture-wise.  So gorgeous one wouldn't believe it.  Not anymore thanks to globalization.