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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #200 on: September 10, 2017, 03:16:08 pm »
During part of the four-year period, the money trail passed through an address in the 2200 block of Kentucky Ave. in Baltimore, where a friend of Majida Ibrahim Ahmad's, Vuthaina Chakrouf, forwarded the Saudi checks to San Diego.

Chakrouf, an American citizen who became friends with Majida Ibrahim Ahmad while a nursing student in their native Jordan, agreed to forward the checks to San Diego. She said she never opened the envelopes but put them into new envelopes addressed to her friend in California.

"She asked me if she could use my address. She needed someone to send the money there," Chakrouf recounted in a telephone interview. She said Majida Ibrahim Ahmad expressed fear that the Saudi government would stop the payments if officials knew she had moved to California. But Chakrouf didn't say why Majida Ibrahim Ahmad thought that. 


Chakrouf worked as a registered nurse in Maryland.
Apparently though this is merely coincidental to the supposed medical purpose of these payments.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #201 on: September 11, 2017, 10:04:55 am »
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/saudi-government-accused-of-funding-dry-run-for-911-jihad-attacks
Saudi government accused of funding dry run for 9/11 jihad attacks

September 9, 2017 3:21 pm By Robert Spencer

It also seems to have been involved in the 9/11 jihad attacks themselves. The 28-page section of the 9/11 report detailing Saudi involvement in the September 11, 2001 jihad attacks has finally been released (albeit with substantial portions still redacted), and it is now clear why one President who held hands with the Saudi King and another who bowed to him worked so hard all these years to keep these pages secret: they confirm that the 9/11 jihad murderers received significant help from people at the highest levels of the Saudi government.

The report states that Omar al-Bayoumi, who “may be a Saudi intelligence officer,” gave “substantial assistance to hijackers Khalid al-Mindhar and Nawaf al-Hamzi after they arrived in San Diego in February 2000. Al-Bayoumi met the hijackers at a public place shortly after his meeting with an individual at the Saudi consulate.” Around the same time, al-Bayoumi “had extensive contact with Saudi Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a Saudi company affiliated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense.” That company “reportedly had ties to Usama bin Ladin and al-Qa’ida.”

Another possible Saudi agent, Osama Bassnan, who “has many ties to the Saudi government” and was also a supporter of Osama bin Laden, boasted that he did more for al-Mindhar and al-Hamzi than al-Bayoumi did. He also “reportedly received funding and possibly a fake passport from Saudi government officials.” The report says that at one point, “a member of the Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash,” and that “he and his wife have received financial support from the Saudi ambassador to the United States and his wife.” That ambassador was Prince Bandar, about whom the New York Times later noted: “No foreign diplomat has been closer or had more access to President Bush, his family and his administration than the magnetic and fabulously wealthy Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia.”

Then there was Shaykh al-Thumairy, “an accredited diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles and one of the ‘imams’ at the King Fahad mosque in Culver City, California,” who also “may have been in contact” with al-Mindhar and al-Hamzi.

Saleh al-Hussayen, “reportedly a Saudi Interior Ministry official, stayed at the same hotel in Herndon, Virginia where al-Hazmi was staying. While al-Hussayen claimed after September 11 not to know the hijackers, FBI agents believed he was being deceptive. He was able to depart the United States despite FBI efforts to locate and re-interview him.” Who got him out of the country?

There is much more. The report redacts the name of “another Saudi national with close ties to the Saudi Royal Family,” but notes that he “is the subject of FBI counterterrorism investigations and reportedly was checking security at the United States’ southwest border in 1999 and discussing the possibility of infiltrating individuals into the United States.” There is no telling who this could have been, but Prince Bandar’s unlisted phone number turned up in a phone book of Abu Zubaida, “a senior al-Qa’ida operative captured in Pakistan in March 2002.” Abu Zubaida also had the number of “a bodyguard at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC.”

The report also mentions a CIA memorandum that “discusses alleged financial connections between the September 11 hijackers, Saudi Government officials, and members of the Saudi Royal Family. This memorandum was passed on to an FBI investigator; yet “despite the clear national implications of the CIA memorandum, the FBI agent included the memorandum in an individual case file and did not forward it to FBI Headquarters.” Why?

There is still more, and with this much smoke, there is almost certainly fire: the Saudi connection to 9/11 goes to the highest levels of the Saudi government.

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“Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11,” by Paul Sperry, New York Post, September 9, 2017:
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During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.

“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.

“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.

The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.

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http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/
Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11
By Paul Sperry
September 9, 2017

Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim that employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.

Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.

The court filing provides new details that paint “a pattern of both financial and operational support” for the 9/11 conspiracy from official Saudi sources, lawyers for the plaintiffs say. In fact, the Saudi government may have been involved in underwriting the attacks from the earliest stages — including testing cockpit security.

“We’ve long asserted that there were longstanding and close relationships between al Qaeda and the religious components of the Saudi government,” said Sean Carter, the lead attorney for the 9/11 plaintiffs. “This is further evidence of that.”
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Paul Sperry is a former Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.”
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2017, 03:05:14 pm »
But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi.

Zakaria Mustapha Soubra was driving the car. Soubra drove the two to the airport on the day they behaved weirdly.

Al-Muhjiroun identified itself as the eyes, ears and mouth of Osama bin Laden.

The intelligence indicated that the organization was setting up a chapter at ERAU’s Prescott campus.

Two young Middle Eastern men, Zakaria Mustapha Soubra and Ghassa al-Sharbi, were attending ERAU at the time.

The two students were printing Al-Muhjiroun propaganda and passing it out to other students on campus in an effort to get people to join the organization. They were rooming together in a motel on Highway 89.

In 2000, Kenneth Williams, later author of the Phoenix Memo, and his FBI colleagues were sent to interview Soubra and al-Sharbi.

As they entered the hotel room, Williams noticed there were several photos of known Jihad warriors (Mujahideen) on the walls. “It was almost like they had a little shrine set up to these guys, so we knew we were onto a true believer who believed in this radical ideology,” Williams said.

Williams and his colleagues asked about Al-Muhjiroun in the interview, but received little response.

One thing Soubra said, which Williams later testified to, was “I consider you, your country, and the FBI a legitimate military target of Islam,” Williams related.
https://www.dcourier.com/news/2016/nov/18/911s-phoenix-memo-fbi-agent-author-prescott-warnin/


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On July 10, 2001, an FBI agent in Phoenix wrote a memo raising serious concerns about Middle Eastern men attending U.S. flight schools.  The memo never made its way up the chain of command. The document still hasn’t been released, and yesterday it was the subject of a closed-door Senate Intelligence Committee session. Recently, I had the chance to read the memo – apparently the first journalist to have done so.

The memo was written by Phoenix FBI Special Agent Kenneth J. Williams, described as a member of “Squad 16,” and it was approved by a man named William A. Kurtz.  The title reads: “Zakaria Mustapha Soubra; IT-OTHER (Islamic Army of the Caucasus).”  The “synopsis” says: “Usama bin Laden and Al-Muhjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona.” 

Soubra, the memo said, was a student at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Ariz.  (According to the Los Angeles Times, he was questioned by FBI agents in 2000, after he was observed at a shooting range with another Muslim, who was a veteran of Islamic jihads in the Balkans and the Middle East.   No charges were brought against him, and he is currently a senior at Embry-Riddle.)  The organization named in the memo’s title, the Islamic Army of the Caucasus, is based in Chechnya and was at one time headed by a man named Amir Khattab, who, according to news reports, is suspected of having ties to Osama bin laden.

The Williams memo included the names of several Middle Eastern students, one identified as a “Saudi national,” who were apparently students at Embry-Riddle at the time.  One reason FBI officials have given for not releasing the memo is that several of these individuals are still under investigation.
http://fortune.com/2011/10/12/fbis-phoenix-memo-unmasked/


Al-Qudhaieen was an acquaintance of Zakaria Soubra, an Arizona student who was named in a pre-Sept. 11 FBI memo written by Kenneth Williams, a Phoenix FBI agent. The memo warned that Al-Qaeda could be training terrorist pilots in the United States.

Arrested on a visa violation, Soubra was deported to Lebanon in May after testifying to a federal grand jury in Virginia. Soubra, who was given immunity for his testimony, has never been charged.

In a recent phone interview from Beirut, Soubra said he was questioned about Al-Qudhaieen and added he did not have any connections to terrorists, did not know anything about the attacks and said the FBI had ruined his life.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/236811


Both Qudhaieen and al-Shalawi had PhDs from an "unaccredited university" in Tucson, Az. Associates of Qudhaieen knew hijacker Hani Hanour.

Al-Shalawi attempted to re-enter the United States in August of 2001.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #203 on: September 17, 2017, 04:42:57 pm »
Sami al-Arian and Khalid Sheikh Mohamed are both from Kuwait
Both are refugees from somewhere else
Al Arian and KSM both visited the USA
Al Arian's brother in law and KSM both attended the same University in the USA
Their years their overlap
Al Arian also attended university in the same state
Both Al Arian and KSM have been accused of masterminding terrorist organisations, PIJ and Al Qaeda respectively.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #204 on: September 22, 2017, 11:09:15 am »
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"The FBI is aware of contact between the hijackers and a close friend of Bassnan’s, Khaled al-Kayed, a commercial airline pilot and certified flight instructor living in San Diego. Al-Kayed admitted to the FBI that in May 2000, al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi contacted him about learning to fly Boeing jet aircraft;"

This man worked at Sorbi's Flying Club as a flight instructor.

Sorbi's flying club was run by an Iranian man in San Diego named Fred Sorbi and visited by 911 hijackers. I have always been suspicious of this. There cannot be that many Iranian flight school owners in the US in the first place.

So it turns out one of the flight Instructors there was an Arabic man named Khaled al-Kayed and he was also friends with Osama Basnan, "an extremist and supporter of Osama bin Laden".

Sounds legit. Better not investigate any further.

A background check on his name produced a man linked to MEDITERRANEAN CAFE LOUNGE and MEDITERRANEAN CAFE GRILL. What were these.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #205 on: September 22, 2017, 01:21:38 pm »
A background check on The Saudi Arabian Cultural Mission to the US at 8500 Hilltop Rd, Fairfax, VA 22031, shows addresses identified as linked to 9/11 are also linked to the Saudi Government.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/va/fairfax/h/hilltop/8500

Seminary, Falls Church
6147 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church
and George Mason, Falls Church

are all obvious without much looking
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« Reply #206 on: September 22, 2017, 01:44:34 pm »
Is this person a relative of Abdusattar Shakih?  -  https://www.myrelatives.com/d/ZARINA-CHHIPA/135878002

You can see she uses the names Chhipa and there is a Shaikh as possible relative.
She is associated with Khalil A Khalil which if im not mistaken is the guy at King Fahd Mosque

Also there is the name Safiya.
Safia Shaikh, also on the list, is currently living in Culver City. According to published reports, she said she separated from her husband, Abdussattar, five years ago. Her husband still lives in Lemon Grove in San Diego County. I wasn’t able to reach Shaikh, but she told the Associated Press she didn’t know the hijackers.http://www.laweekly.com/content/printView/2133934
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #207 on: September 22, 2017, 01:54:15 pm »
https://www.scribd.com/document/20556903/MFR-NARA-T1A-Saudi-Arabia-Khalil-Khalil-a-2-24-04-01252

Khalil was one of 4 people at the Bin Laden Gulf War offer to Saudi Arabia meeting.

Did Shaikh know this man? Shaikh was respected in San Diego Muslim community.
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« Reply #208 on: September 24, 2017, 10:58:44 am »
I believe the owner of the Med Gourmet restaurant where the hijackers had a meeting was Charif K Charif, a relative of Kamel Charif, whom Khalil al-Khalil told the 911 Commission was one of four men running an extremist cell at the KF mosque.

Another member he mentioned appears to be Abdo Ghanem who is associated with an address nearby.
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« Reply #209 on: September 24, 2017, 11:23:25 am »
Shuaib says he kicked out four members of the mosque in October 2001, in part because they were fomenting dissent and extremism.

One of them was Abdo Ghanem, 39, a Yemeni native who joined the mosque community 13 years ago when it was still housed in a rented storefront on Venice Boulevard, half a mile from the King Fahd Mosque.

Ghanem, a designer-clothes salesman, seems like an unlikely militant. He has an open manner and wears Versace suits and Gucci shoes. He is married to a Catholic and says he has not pressured her to convert. He praises America's political freedoms even as he castigates its moral decadence. And he confesses to an imperfect observance of Islam's do's and don'ts--forsaking a beard, for instance, because he says his wife thinks he's cuter without one.

But Ghanem volunteers that he chauffeured Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman around the Southland in 1993, two years before the blind imam was convicted of conspiring to blow up New York landmarks and imprisoned for life.

Ghanem says he agreed with Abdel Rahman's call to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on the grounds that he was killing fellow Muslims with a repressive and torturous regime.

Ghanem also says he supports jihad against Saudi Arabia and Israel, but stops short of calling for war against America, saying only that U.S. foreign policies against Muslim nations should be changed.

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The FBI has also developed additional information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Ladin. In 1993, the FBI became aware that Bassnan had hosted a party for the Blind Shaykh at his house in Washington, DC in October 1992. Bassnan has made many laudatory remarks to FBI assets about Bin Ladin, referring to Bin Ladin as the official Khalifate and the ruler of the Islamic world. According to an FBI asset, Bassnan spoke of Bin Ladin “as if he were a god.” According to FBI documents, Bassnan also knew Bin Ladin’s family in Saudi Arabia and speaks on his mobile telephone with members of the family who are living in the United States.
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« Reply #210 on: October 02, 2017, 07:14:26 am »
Anwar al-Aulaqi may have been in the Yemen when the USS Cole bombing happened. According to Wade Ammerman's interview with the 9/11 Commission, Aulaqi left San Diego for the Yemen in "September or October 2000."

USS Cole happened October 12, 2000.

His Wikipedia page skips over this time period and makes no mention of the USS Cole, except to say "The governor of Shabwa said in January 2010 that al-Awlaki was on the move with members of al-Qaeda, including Fahd al-Quso, who was wanted in connection with the bombing of the USS Cole."

Aulaqi had been in San Diego associating with Khalid al Midhar whose family ran an Al Qaeda communications hub in the Yemen and who was also in the Yemen at this time. "On June 10, 2000, Mihdhar left the United States and returned to Yemen to visit his wife."

The cell in California had been in contact with at least 3 Saudi Naval officers stationed at US bases,  such as Osama Nooh and Lafi al Harbi, who may have had access to classified ship locations.
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Bayazid's name had previously come up because he used Benevolence's street address in Palos Hills on his Illinois driver's license. Bayazid allegedly was carrying the license in December 1994 when he was stopped--along with bin Laden's brother and brother-in-law--by authorities in San Francisco.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-01-30/news/0301300351_1_islamic-charity-benevolence-international-foundation-enaam-arnaout

Were there two bin Ladens in this car? I had thought only Jamal Khalifa.
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« Reply #212 on: October 03, 2017, 12:47:33 pm »
In the fall of 1994 Agent Bell sought to arrange an interview of Ali Mohamed by having an FBI agent in California contact Ali Mohamed's wife to advise her that the FBI wished to interview Ali Mohamed.

On or about December 9, 1994 he interviewed Ali Mohamed in San Jose, California in the company of Assistant United States Attorney Andrew C. McCarthy who was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York.

Mohammed Jamal Khalifa and Mohamed Loay Bayazid in California were arrested just a short drive from Mohamed's home on Dec. 16, 1994.
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« Reply #213 on: October 04, 2017, 10:48:40 am »
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In the 20-20 hindsight of September 11, John O'Neill's confidential briefings in the mid-nineties "were right on, in terms of these kinds of people and what they could potentially do to us," says Robert Blitzer, a former deputy of O'Neill's. "Just the scope of their infrastructure in the U.S. -- and inherent to that is the fact that they could go operational at any time."

I thought they had no support network
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« Reply #214 on: October 06, 2017, 09:09:58 am »
SEPTEMBER 14, 2017 AT 5:23 AM
FBI probe of tie between Saudi ambassador, al Qaeda leader put on ice

For 14 years, the FBI kept secret that a top al Qaeda leader captured in Pakistan in 2002 possessed the unlisted phone number of an offshore company tied to Saudi Arabia’s U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

The news got out last year after President Obama ordered the release of the “28 pages,” a long-suppressed chapter of a 2003 congressional report on 9/11. Also disclosed: FBI agents in Denver were assigned to investigate the company, ASPCOL Corporation, which the FBI described as “the umbrella corporation that manages the Colorado residence of Prince Bandar.”

But agents assigned to investigate ASPCOL, whose unlisted number was found in the phone book of “high-value” Guantanamo detainee Abu Zubaydah, quickly suspended the probe.

“The Denver office did not attempt to make any local inquiries about ASPCOL, as they believed that any inquiries regarding ASPCOL would be quickly known by Prince Bandar’s employees,” the 28 pages said. “Due to the sensitivity of this matter, they decided to hold the investigation of ASPCOL in abeyance until they received additional guidance from FBI headquarters.”

The guidance Washington gave its Denver agents is not known, and FBI spokesmen won’t discuss it. It now appears, however, that the FBI never restarted its suspended investigation. Two witnesses told Florida Bulldog the FBI never contacted them to inquire about ASPCOL.

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9/11 Commission Director: No Evidence that CIA Sought to Recruit Hijackers
NOVEMBER 3, 2017 | PHILIP ZELIKOW

In our continuing drive to spur healthy debate in the national security space, The Cipher Brief is sharing this op-ed from Philip Zelikow, the Former Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, responding to a particular allegation about CIA information sharing with the FBI before the attacks of Sept. 11 on New York and Washington. We also invite you to join in the conversation, posting your point of view for submission at our new link at the bottom of this article, POV.

Recently, in September 2017, the History Channel aired an episode of a documentary on “The Road to 9/11” that repeated a disturbing allegation that CIA leaders, possibly including Director George Tenet, intentionally chose to withhold vital information from the FBI that might have prevented the 9/11 attack.

The allegation is that CIA leaders did this so that the agency could try to recruit al-Qaeda operatives whom they knew to be in the United States. I have been asked about this allegation from time to time over the more than thirteen years since the 9/11 Commission published its report. This most recent repetition shows the need to put the point on the public record: there is no evidence to support this serious allegation.

The background is that in January 2000, the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center had learned that two terrorist suspects, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, men whom they were attempting to track in Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok, had obtained visas to visit the United States. The Center also learned in March that al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi had apparently traveled from Bangkok to Los Angeles back in January.

No one outside of the Counterterrorist Center was told any of this. An FBI agent detailed to the Center attempted to share this information with his headquarters; a CIA desk officer at the Center told him not to. Several hours later, this same desk officer drafted a cable distributed solely within CIA stating, incorrectly, that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. The desk officer later admitted that she had not shared the information with the FBI and did not recall who had told her that the information had been shared.  (9/11 Commission Report, pp. 181-82 and notes on p. 502; also Commission Staff Statement #2.)

nformation and discussion about al-Mihdhar resurfaced in January, May and June 2001 in a series of investigative efforts that reopened examination of a terrorist meeting in Kuala Lumpur. For a set of complicated reasons that we detailed in our report, none of these discussions led to a focus on the presence of operatives in the United States or adequately alerted the FBI.

Finally, in yet another reexamination of the Kuala Lumpur material suggested by a CIA officer, an FBI analyst detailed to the CIA made the link that an al Qaeda operative might be in the United States, putting together the evidence during late July and the first weeks of August. By Aug. 24, a search effort for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi had begun in the United States. For reasons we detail in the report, the search within the United States did not bear fruit in time to disrupt the 9/11 attack. (Report, pp. 266-72, 353-57.)

Former senior White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke and a former FBI agent, Mark Rossini, alleged in the History Channel program that the CIA failures to share information with the FBI appear to have been deliberate. This was because, they say, the CIA had hoped to recruit al-Mihdhar or al-Hazmi to become agency informants, a plan approved by Director of the CIA Tenet and CIA leadership. This is obviously a grave allegation.

There is no evidence that this allegation is true. There is plenty of evidence that it is false. The Commission’s investigators interviewed all the relevant individuals (including Mr. Clarke and Mr. Rossini), in the course of the overlapping investigations conducted by the Commission and the Inspector General of the Department of Justice. When those individuals were interviewed by the Commission and the Office of the Inspector General, they knew that if they lied they could face criminal prosecution. They also knew that we had access to the relevant internal CIA and FBI records, including electronic indications of who had accessed what records and all of the briefings prepared by the Counterterrorist Center every day for Director Tenet — so that we could check on what they were telling us. Although it is not cited in our report, the Commission also had access to the good work and interviews that had been conducted internally and separately by the CIA’s Inspector General.

If the “recruitment theory” posited by Clarke and Rossini were true, there would be evidence of a recruitment effort — some CIA attempt to locate and contact al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi. There is no such evidence. Nor was there any evidence of a recruitment plan or even the consideration of one. Instead, the evidence showed – as we detail in our Report – repeated confusion about who was being sought and where. There were several occasions during the work in the first half of 2001 when the dots might have been connected but, due to particular circumstances in each case, unfortunately this did not happen.

The dots did start getting connected in July 2001. And, contrary to the premise of the “recruitment theory,” this breakthrough happened because a persistent CIA officer, a man involved in much of the earlier work, asked an FBI analyst to look at the Kuala Lumpur materials one more time. As mentioned above, the subsequent search for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi barely got underway before 9/11, for reasons that had little to do with the CIA.

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/column_article/911-commission-director-no-evidence-cia-sought-recruit-future-911-hijackers


There is so much built into Zelikow's version of 911 that i find hard to not take issue with.

His main theme is that there was no CIA recruitment effort for the 911 hijackers. I have never believed that, but i can see why people would say it, unlike him.

But he leaves open the main question of why the information was not shared with the FBI.

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No one outside of the Counterterrorist Center was told any of this. An FBI agent detailed to the Center attempted to share this information with his headquarters; a CIA desk officer at the Center told him not to. Several hours later, this same desk officer drafted a cable distributed solely within CIA stating, incorrectly, that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. The desk officer later admitted that she had not shared the information with the FBI and did not recall who had told her that the information had been shared.  (9/11 Commission Report, pp. 181-82 and notes on p. 502; also Commission Staff Statement #2.)

So much of this just sounds like terrible backtracking on history.
Maybe its true and Zelikow found the one and only truth but it just look like a cover up.

for example:

this same desk officer drafted a cable stating, that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. The desk officer later admitted that she had not shared the information with the FBI.

Lets just hope she didnt admit that under repeated waterboarding.
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In a powerful sworn statement, the FBI agent who led a 400-member Los Angeles-based task force on the 9/11 attacks has accused the 9/11 Commission of making “incorrect” statements to the American public about his team’s investigative findings.

Now-retired FBI agent Stephen K. Moore said in a declaration filed last week in federal court in New York City that the 9/11 Commission misstated his team’s findings.

“Based on evidence we gathered during the course of our investigation, I concluded that diplomatic and intelligence personnel of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia knowingly provided material support to the two 9/11 hijackers and facilitated the 9/11 plot. My colleagues in our investigation shared that conclusion,” Moore said in his statement filed on behalf of thousands of 9/11 survivors and the relatives of nearly 3,000 dead.

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Moore said PENTTBOM investigators also found evidence of “extensive” contact between Bayoumi and Thumairy, both by phone and in person at the King Fahad mosque where Thumairy personally directed Bayoumi “regarding the assistance need by Hazmi and Mihdhar.”

“We also learned that Thumairy invited (hijacker) Hazmi to lead the prayers at the King Fahad Mosque where Thumairy was an Imam. We determined that this was a significant and unusual honor for Thumairy to bestow on Hazmi, a young Saudi visitor who was not even a member of the mosque, and showed that Thumairy had an awareness of Hazmi’s mission,” Moore said.
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Bin Laden and Herndon, Virginia
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post

June 20, 2001


Islamist terrorism has afflicted nearly every Western country and is likely to get worse. One reason is the radicals' aggressiveness; another is the feeble Western response. I personally experienced both of these problems just this past week.

This story began in early 1998, when John Miller of ABC News sought an interview with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. Needing an intermediary, his producers found Tarik Hamdi of Herndon, Virginia, a self-described journalist who helped make contacts and then accompanied the ABC news team to Afghanistan.

Hamdi, it turned out, had his own purposes for traveling there; he was to bring Bin Laden a replacement battery for his vital link with the outside world, his satellite telephone. From the remoteness of Afghanistan, Bin Laden could not simply order a battery himself and have it overnighted to him. He needed someone unsuspected to bring it. So, one of Bin Laden's top aides ordered a replacement battery on May 11, 1998, and arranged for it to be shipped to Hamdi at his home in Herndon. Hamdi took off for Afghanistan with Miller on May 17 and shortly afterward personally delivered the battery.

Just over two months later, two bombs went off nearly simultaneously at the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and wounding thousands.

When the US government brought four of the embassy bombers to trial in New York City this year, it focused on the phone powered by the battery from Herndon; assistant US attorney Kenneth Karas called it "the phone that Bin Laden and the others will use to carry out their war against the United States." The trial also established Hamdi's centrality to Bin Laden.

After five months, a jury found all four bombers guilty of all 302 charges against them, validating the prosecutor's interpretation of Hamdi's role.

Which is where I come in.

Explaining this guilty verdict in The Wall Street Journal on May 31, I co-authored an article with Steven Emerson arguing in favor of this outcome, but pointing out that it did little to protect American lives; defeating Bin Ladin and his murderous gang will require the US government to deploy armed forces, not policemen and lawyers.

The article then focused on the huge body of evidence made public in the trial proceedings, noting that Bin Laden had "set up a tightly organized system of cells" in six American cities, including the small town of Herndon - an allusion to Hamdi.

Picking up on this reference, Jeannie Baumann, a reporter at The Herndon Observer, contacted us to learn more. Emerson explained to her Hamdi's role and several times referred her to the complete court transcripts available in the Internet. But Baumann spurned his offers, replying that her newspaper is "not equipped to handle such information." Instead of doing research, Baumann turned to Herndon's police chief, Toussaint E. Summers Jr., for an opinion. He in turn called the FBI, which told him nothing. From this lack of information, Summers blithely concluded that "there appears to be no truth... at all" to a Bin Laden-Herndon connection.

Baumann then cited this opinion to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), for a statement. Ibrahim Hooper, the spokesman for this Islamist organization (and sometime Bin Laden apologist), pounced on the police chief's statement and declared our Wall Street Journal article inaccurate and prejudicial against Muslims. Baumann's article, published on June 15, then carried the title "Police, Muslims Refute Herndon Link to Terrorism."

This episode clearly demonstrates three problematic Western responses to Islamist violence: Law enforcement officials resist the fact that this scourge exists in their jurisdictions. Reporters fail to do the spadework needed to dig out stories in their own backyards. And the most prominent Islamic organizations shamelessly talk away Islamist terrorism and smear anyone who points out the realities of this hideous phenomenon.

If Bin Laden and his band of killers are to be stopped, it will take more vigilance from law enforcement officers like Summers, better journalism from reporters like Baumann, and the rise of moderate Muslims who will take the microphone out of the hands of extremists like Hooper.

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« Reply #219 on: November 21, 2017, 10:12:38 am »
Miller is the son of Lucinda Miller of Manhattan and the late John J. Miller, a syndicated columnist and freelance writer whose range of roles included Hollywood gossip columnist, foreign correspondent, Broadway critic, crime investigator, and political pundit. His father was also a close friend of Luciano crime family boss Frank Costello, whose wife, Lauretta, was Miller's godmother.

In 2002, Miller married Emily Helen Altschul, daughter of banking mogul and Goldman Sachs Group partner Arthur Goodhart Altschul[6] and member of the Lehman family. Miller's brother-in-law, Arthur Altschul, Jr., worked for Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley

From 1994 to 1995, he served as deputy police commissioner of New York City, where he was the chief spokesman for the NYPD, a move that some of his colleagues considered "going over to the dark side."

Miller then worked as an ABC News correspondent from 1995 until January 2002, when he took the post of co-anchor with Barbara Walters of the ABC News program, 20/20. During his tenure at ABC, Miller is also recognized for covering the September 11, 2001 attacks, where he sat alongside Peter Jennings for the duration of the day listening in to radio conversations from the FBI, FDNY and NYPD, informing Jennings and viewers of their content.

In January 2003, he left ABC News to rejoin Bratton who by then was at the Los Angeles Police Department. Miller served as the police department's Bureau Chief for the Counter-Terrorism and Criminal Intelligence Bureau.


So just a random guy then...

There is a weird merger here between CIA and Al Qaeda.
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Alleged Bin Laden Contact in Iraq Gov't
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Posted on 12/08/2005, 07:03:21 by Leroy S. Mort

WASHINGTON (AP) - An American accused in court papers of having ties to Osama bin Laden is now working for the Iraqi government's Foreign Ministry, U.S. officials and a former CIA counterterrorism chief say.

Iraqi-born Tarik A. Hamdi was the ``American contact'' for one of bin Laden's front organizations and gave a satellite telephone battery to a bin Laden aide in Afghanistan for a phone used by the terrorist leader, according to an affidavit from Customs Agent David Kane.

The affidavit was unsealed this week in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., along with a federal indictment charging Hamdi with lying on immigration and mortgage loan applications.

Hamdi, formerly of Herndon, Va., is now working at Iraqi diplomatic offices in Turkey, said Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA official who has known Hamdi for years and remains in contact with him through e-mail.

Two U.S. law enforcement officials said they also have been told Hamdi is working for the Iraqi Foreign Ministry in Turkey. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the charges pending against Hamdi.

The State Department declined to comment. Newsweek first reported Hamdi's employment status in its online edition Wednesday.

Hamdi has been under federal investigation and surveillance for several years, stemming from his work at the International Institute of Islamic Thought in northern Virginia. The affidavit was filed in March 2002 to obtain a search warrant for Hamdi's home in Herndon, Va.

Prosecutors have contended at least since 2002 that Hamdi had ``established links'' to bin Laden and other members of al-Qaida, according to a court filing in the case against Zacarias Moussaoui.

Hamdi's role in supplying parts for a satellite telephone has been known to U.S. authorities at least since the 2001 trial of those accused of bombing U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

At the time of the Afghanistan trip, Hamdi was working to facilitate an interview of bin Laden by former ABC News correspondent John Miller, according to the affidavit and Cannistraro, an ABC consultant. The 1998 interview was the most recent of bin Laden by a western journalist.

``I was the one who made the arrangements for the interview. He had the contacts to the contacts,'' said Cannistraro. The FBI ``knew all about it at the time.''

Miller, who now oversees counterterrorism investigations for the Los Angeles Police Department, is on vacation this week, a police spokeswoman said. In a twist, Miller has been offered a job running the FBI's communications division, according to the bureau and Los Angeles police officials.

Cannistraro said he is troubled that prosecutors made public the allegations in the affidavit when they lacked the evidence to charge Hamdi with any terror-related crimes.

``They're making a prejudgment they are not capable of making,'' he said.
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« Reply #221 on: November 21, 2017, 10:25:58 am »
Vince Cannistraro

Hello Vince.  (Friends in Al Qaeda, aye?)

Vincent Cannistraro led the Afghanistan Working Group in the Reagan White House, when the US funded the Afghan mujahideen

Cannistraro ran the CIA's investigation of the Lockerbie bombing


Mr well placed
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« Reply #222 on: November 21, 2017, 10:42:38 am »
constant Turkish theme to all of this

Farouk Hijazi is a former Iraqi government official who served the Iraqi government during the rulership of Saddam Hussein. Hijazi served as Hussein's Director of External Operations for the Mukhabarat, the Iraqi intelligence service for many years before becoming Iraq's ambassador to Turkey.

In February 1999, former CIA counter-terrorism official Vincent Cannistraro claimed that Farouk Hijazi had invited Osama bin Laden to live in Baghdad to be nearer to potential targets of terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Later, in 2003, Cannistraro claimed that bin Laden had rejected Hijazi's overtures, concluding that he did not want to be "exploited" by Iraq's secular regime.

The United States government claimed that while he was ambassador to Turkey, Hijazi made several trips in which he came into contact with members of al-Qaeda. Hijazi's alleged connections with high-ranking members of al-Qaeda served as one piece of information offered as evidence of an al-Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein used to justify the Second Persian Gulf War.
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Another of the CIA counter-terrorism centre directors friends, no doubt, as he appears to have shared a Tampa address with Tariq Hamdi.

Ramadan Shalah (born February 1, 1958) is the leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).

Professor Sami Al-Arian, who later pleaded guilty to helping PIJ and was sentenced to 57 months in prison, helped bring Shalah to Al-Arian's university in Tampa where Shalah then taught as an adjunct professor at the University of South Florida, and where Al-Arian appointed Shalah the head of WISE.

Shalah became secretary-general of PIJ after the assassination of its previous leader, Fathi Shiqaqi in Malta in 1995. Shalah was listed as a "Specially Designated Terrorist" under United States law on November 27, 1995.

Along with fellow PIJ member, Abd Al Aziz Awda, Shalah was indicted in a 53 count indictment in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, Tampa, Florida, on Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) charges of alleged involvement in racketeering activities for the designated international terrorist organization known as Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Shalah is wanted for conspiracy to conduct the affairs of the PIJ through a pattern of racketeering activities such as bombings, murders, extortion, and money laundering.

For that indictment, Shalah then became one of six alleged and indicted terrorist fugitives among the second and most recent group of indicted fugitives to be added to the United States FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on February 24, 2006, along with Abd Al Aziz Awda



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Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah is wanted for conspiracy to conduct the affairs of the designated international terrorist organization known as the "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" (PIJ) through a pattern of racketeering activities such as bombings, murders, extortions, and money laundering. Shallah was one of the original founding members of the PIJ and is presently the Secretary-General and leader of the organization, which has its headquarters located in Damascus, Syria. He was listed as a "Specially Designated Terrorist" under United States law on November 27, 1995. Shallah was indicted in a 53 count indictment in the United States District Court, Middle District of Florida, Tampa, Florida.

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/ramadan-abdullah-mohammad-shallah
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« Reply #224 on: January 23, 2018, 04:52:46 am »
The current Lawsuit against Saudi Arabia by 9-11 victims is the perfect opportunity to expose more of the cover up by getting declassified information released. But I'm sure the opportunity will be wasted as usual.

These lawyers, and the Judge are letting the Saudi lawyers hide behind the 9-11 commission report, when they could be using it themselves, as a way to destroy the Saudi defense and as a way to get declassification.

Jan 18, 2018
Judge remains skeptical Sept. 11 Saudi claims can proceed
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

Why would these lawyers argue their case that Saudi Arabia should be held accountable for 9-11 in front of a judge that they know has already ruled that Iran was behind 9-11?
 
I'm confused.

What is the point here?
 
I read everything on his Iran case and there is obviously something wrong with this Judge. The case was embarrassing.

U.S. DISTRICT COURT RULES IRAN BEHIND 9/11 ATTACKS
December 23, 2011

http://iran911case.com/
   
I'm not alone on that:

Former FBI agent Mark Rossini, one of the founding executives of the National Counterterrorism Center and who provided daily threat matrix briefings:

“The Iranian judgment is just totally, totally delusional. I will say this and you can print this in bold.” Pausing repeatedly to hammer home each word, Rossini continues, “Iran had nothing…nothing…nothing…nothing…nothing to do with 9/11. And it just outrages me that people say this. It is beyond comprehension."
https://28pages.org/2015/09/17/rossini-on-28-pages-allegations-of-iran-role-in-911-and-more/

The lawyers seem more focused on the funding of Al Qaeda over the logistics of the attacks themselves. The Judge seems to be saying "funding can be explained away-even if they were funded, the funder's aren't responsible for what they did with the funding."

The logistics of the attacks themselves cannot so easily be explained, and together they prove their case.

"On Thursday, attorney Sean Carter argued on behalf of plaintiffs, including insurance companies and businesses, that al-Qaida was propped up by millions of dollars and years of support from Saudi Arabia prior to the attacks."

Daniels challenged the claims in the 15-year-old litigation that Saudi Arabia could be held responsible in the terrorist attacks even if it never agreed to support the terrorists and wasn't aware that money it gave to charities in the Middle East may have made it to Osama bin Laden's group.

"If I gave you $10 and you went and bought $5 of ice cream, why is it that I gave you $5 to buy ice cream?" he asked.

Later, Daniels asked: "So every terrorist act al-Qaida commits Saudi Arabia is responsible for?"
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

But they did support the terrorists on 9-11.

"So every terrorist act al-Qaida commits Saudi Arabia is responsible for?"

The answer is yes when it comes to 9-11, because of the funding AND logistics....

9-11 Commission published lies - The truth was classified: -Classified for 10 years top secret:

Declassified Aug 2014:

FBI Agent to 9-11 Commission -

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA. Benomrane said that when they left the Hilton, they moved into an apartment.

He took them to the apartment complex at 3636 S Sepulveda _________ knows that subpoenas were served on the complex, and that it became clear that the KFM was renting rooms at the complex.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=15012&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

Same BS from Saudi lawyers: The Holy 9-11 Commission report:

The 9/11 Commission report found "no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded" the attacks al-Qaida masterminded, but the commission also noted "the likelihood" that Saudi-government-sponsored charities did.

Attorney Michael Kellogg, arguing for Saudi Arabia, cited the report repeatedly, along with the findings of probes by the FBI and CIA.

"All rejected Saudi Arabia was responsible," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

"along with the findings of probes by the FBI and CIA."

The "probe" of the FBI didn't happen
“The FBI never engaged in an investigation of the Saudi connection.”
http://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2016/09/06/lynch-september-saudi

And the CIA were Saudi partners.

This could be an opportunity to educate Judge Daniels...

Still, Daniels gave plaintiffs some hope that Saudi Arabia might remain a defendant when he said the findings of the 9/11 Commission were not necessarily the last word.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

He doesn't know what some of "the findings of the 9/11 commission were" because they were classified...

Judge Daniels "knows"(believes) this...

After the pair cleared Immigration and Customs at Los Angeles International Airport, we do not know where they went. - 9/11 Commission
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

What Judge Daniels doesn't know is what the 9-11 commission really found, because it was classified when The 9-11 Commission report was released/published in 2004. When these documents were finally partially declassified it was quietly done in Aug 2014.

Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA. Benomrane said that when they left the Hilton, they moved into an apartment."

"He took them to the apartment complex at 3636 S Sepulveda"
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=15012&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

That was classified. It was against the law for the 9-11 commission to say that.

So they also couldn't say this...

subpoenas were served on the complex, and that it became clear that the KFM was renting rooms at the complex.

or this...

"...they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA."

That was all classified so they said this instead...

After the pair cleared Immigration and Customs at Los Angeles International Airport, we do not know where they went. - 9/11 Commission
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

When Hazmi and Mihdhar(the first of all the hijackers to arrive)landed at Los Angeles International airport on Jan 15 2000, the had just arrived after attending a "terrorist Summit" that the CIA had under heavy surveillance. The two hijackers could barely speak English weren't real bright, and had never been to America before. We are supposed to believe they had no help? The CIA had already just helped them by keeping their names off watch-lists for a safe arrival.

Who helped them at their arrival has been classified. It pretty well proves the lawsuit against the Saudis if it was "someone from the Saudi Consulate". This is a perfect opportunity to expose part of the cover up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpS_8Z_QcBE   

This goes to the name of the person who had room 1777 at the Hilton hotel ready for them on arrival. If they were met "at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA." Then either "someone from the Saudi Consulate" or an accomplice of theirs is the name on the MasterCard that paid for the room. This would seem to help their case, hurt the defense case and help with poor Judge Daniels dilemma of what he should "do" with what the 9-11 commission report claims...

"I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do with the report's ultimate conclusion or the facts, whether they're sufficient for this court to independently reach those conclusions," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

This alone is more evidence than was in the Iran case.

But it wont happen because they have not changed anything since their last attempt, No one seems to know this or care. The Lawyers for the families will lose because they apparently don't keep up with information dripping out slowly from the 9-11 cover up. Presenting opinions as their evidence is a sure way to lose their case.

January 22, 2018
Saudi Arabia Asks U.S. Judge to Throw Out 9/11 Lawsuits

They presented sworn statements from two former FBI officials and former Florida Senator Bob Graham, an ex-chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, in which they provide their opinions that Saudi officials in the U.S. provided support to two of the Sept. 11 hijackers.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/01/22/477984.htm

Everyone has opinions.

So I'll just just assume the fix is in, the lawyers aren't very good and the Judge is molesting his latest hired intern. Business as usual.

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« Reply #226 on: January 25, 2018, 06:08:46 pm »
Wow! I wasn't aware of this until recently. An FBI Agent has given a sworn Affidavit in the Saudi lawsuit. But not just any FBI Agent. He was the Investigative agent in charge of the 9-11 investigation in Los Angeles(until Mueller stopped them)

The document can be found here...

https://ecf.nysd.uscourts.gov/doc1/127121331866

But you have to pay for it. So I put it on scribd.com if anyone wants to see the full 7 pages. The following is pretty much the jist of it...

https://www.scribd.com/document/370010581/Moore-Declaration

Declaration of Stephen K. Moore

DECLARATION OF STEPHEN K. MOORE

I, Stephen K. Moore, do hereby declare:

2. From 1996 through September 2001, I was assigned to the FBI's Los Angeles office and worked on counter-terrorism investigations and highly classified intelligence matters.
3. Within days of the 9/11 attacks, I was placed in charge of the Los Angeles task force team on PENTTBOM, the FBI's investigation of the 9/11 attacks. The team that I directed and supervised included at times over 400 team members and was one of the largest components of the FBI's investigation. My work with the Los Angeles PENTTBOM team continued through 2003.
4. A key part of our work was to investigate the activities in Southern California of the first two al Qaeda hijackers to arrive in the United States, Nawaf al-Hazmi ("Hazmi") and Khalid al-Mihdhar ("Mihdhar"), who came to Los Angeles on January 15, 2000, stayed there for several weeks, and then relocated to San Diego. A central focus of that work was to identify the persons who provided Hazmi and Mihdhar with financial and logistical support.
6. Based on evidence we gathered during the course of our investigation, I concluded that diplomatic and intelligence personnel of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia knowingly provided material support to the two 9/11 hijackers and facilitated the 911 plot. My colleagues in our investigation shared that conclusion.
8. We determined that Thumairy and another Saudi employee who we believed was a Saudi intelligence agent, Omar al-Bayoumi ("Bayoumi"), were active participants in a terror cell associated withal Qaeda that provided substantial financial and logistical support to Hazmi and Mihdhar.
9. Based on our investigation we determined that at the time Thumairy provided that assistance, he knew that Hazmi and Mihdhar were al Qaeda terrorists on a pre-planned complex mission in the United States that would involve the use of airplanes.
10. We learned that the al Qaeda plotters were methodical in their preparations for the attacks and would not have sent Hazmi and Mihdhar to Los Angeles without a support structure in place. It would be essential that Hazmi and Mihdhar were given cover and properly handled upon their arrival. Neither Hazmi nor Mihdhar could speak English. They were completely unfamiliar with life and customs in the United States and lacked even the most basic skills to begin pilot training. They would have had zero chance for success without a support structure waiting for them.
11. We found that Thumairy was the primary point of contact for Hazmi and Mihdhar in Los Angeles. We concluded that Thumairy was aware in advance of their arrival and, through the King Fahad Mosque, had already provided a place for them to stay in Los Angeles.
17. We found substantial evidence that Bayoumi was an undercover Saudi intelligence officer based on numerous witness statements; the fact that he was paid by Saudi Arabia with laundered funds in a manner typical of clandestine arrangements used by a foreign intelligence agency; his regular videotaping of people and events; and the consistent patterns of deception in his dealings.
18. I have read the statement in the 9/11 Commission Report that "we have not found evidence that Thumairy provided assistance to the two operatives {Hazmi and Mihdhar]." In light of the proof assembled in our investigation, this statement is incorrect. There was clearly evidence that Thumairy provided assistance to Hazmi and Mihdhar.
19. I also disagree with the statement in the 9/11 Commission Report that Bayoumi is "an unlikely candidate for clandestine involvement with Islamist extremists." Again, this statement is incorrect. Based on the proof in our investigation, Bayoumi himself was a clandestine agent and associated with radical extremists, including Thumairy.
21. To my knowledge, Thumairy has never been the subject of a genuine law enforcement interview conducted by the actual agents who investigated him, including myself.
22. We believed that Thumairy and Bayoumi were directed to assist Hazmi and Mihdhar. This was a key subject that we wanted to raise in questioning Thumairy to explore his employment and the superiors that he reported to inside the Los Angeles Consulate, the Washington, D.C. Embassy and the Ministry of Islamic Affairs.
23. Much of the PENTTBOM investigation remains classified. I have taken care in preparing this declaration not to reference any of that classified information. I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct.
 
Dated: September 15, 2017 New York, New York

Stephen K. Moore


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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #227 on: March 30, 2018, 10:08:40 pm »
The current Lawsuit against Saudi Arabia by 9-11 victims is the perfect opportunity to expose more of the cover up by getting declassified information released. But I'm sure the opportunity will be wasted as usual.

These lawyers, and the Judge are letting the Saudi lawyers hide behind the 9-11 commission report, when they could be using it themselves, as a way to destroy the Saudi defense and as a way to get declassification.

Jan 18, 2018
Judge remains skeptical Sept. 11 Saudi claims can proceed
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

MARCH 29, 2018
U.S. judge allows 9/11 lawsuits to proceed against Saudi Arabia

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/u-s-judge-911-lawsuits-saudi-arabia-20180329.html

The truth is Judge Daniels cleared everyone but two--

Everyone is let off the hook except for just two-Thumairy and Bayoumi...

The actual ruling:
Plaintiffs shall be permitted to conduct limited and targeted jurisdictional discovery critical to answering that question, i.e. whether and to what extent Thumairy, Bayoumi, and their agents took actions in 2000, at the direction of more senior Saudi officials, to provide assistance to Hazmi, Mihdhar, and other 9/11 hijackers.
- page 23/41
https://www.scribd.com/document/375189424/Judge-Daniels-ruling

Basnan-Bandar and the rest get a free pass----but->

Discovery on Thumairy should lead to Benomrane -who was the reason investigators discovered Thumairy and was also the person who exposed where the hijackers stayed on arrival...

"They put this information into the communication requesting the initiation of an investigation on Thumairy." -Page 3/7
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This could be the end of protecting who had room 1777 at the Hilton Hotel at LA airport waiting for the hijackers arrival, and expose the traitors that protected them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OszdR2C6E4c&
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #228 on: March 31, 2018, 10:02:52 pm »
Discovery on Thumairy should lead to Benomrane -who was the reason investigators discovered Thumairy and was also the person who exposed where the hijackers stayed on arrival...

"They put this information into the communication requesting the initiation of an investigation on Thumairy." -Page 3/7
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This could be the end of protecting who had room 1777 at the Hilton Hotel at LA airport waiting for the hijackers arrival, and expose the traitors that protected them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OszdR2C6E4c&

Benomrane was deported -quickly- he knows to much and is talking(I didn't say cooperating)he has exposed where the hijackers stayed during their time in LA - 3636 Sepulveda blvd, - he also gave up information investigators could use to discover the hotel room waiting for the hijackers at the airport and who paid for it. But they had just discovered other crucial information as they tried to stop Benomrane's deportation - described on page 4 /7 here... -i.e. Detective Miller-...

https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

The 9-11 commission said they don't know where the hijackers stayed in LA. Evidence makes it obvious exactly where they stayed. The 9-11 commission says they don't know how Hazmi and Mihdhar got to San Diego from LA. But what Detective Miller had discovered was how Hazmi and Mihdhar got to San Diego from LA and was the reason he was trying to stop the deportation of Benomrane. He had discovered the connection - it was Benomrane.

"Benomrane's name came back into the limelight because of a San Diego interview." page 4/7

Mohdhar Abdullah(in SD) had mentioned a wedding he attended at the KFM in LA where he claims Thumairy was performing the wedding ceremony. This wedding was Thumairy marrying the manager of the "Sams Mart" gas station in San Diego who coincidentally hired Hazmi and Mohdhar among others. His last name is Kreiwish. Surveillance on Benomrane had showed Benomrane was in contact with several members of SD "associates" of the hijackers in SD. Benomranes numerous connections to those in San Diego assisting the hijackers makes Benomrane the logical route of how they got to SD. He was their driver - he drove them. He had already admitted in interviews he had driven "the two Saudis" to San Diego once. To visit the famous San Diego zoo of course - why else go to San Diego? Oh - he did finally admit to stopping at a gas station at the time - in San Diego - but Benomrane has "no memory" of where in the entire SD area the gas station was at that he visited.

Benomrane is connected to those in San Diego helping the hijackers when they get down there. Benomrane is the hijackers personal driver(until they are assisted with getting their own Drivers licenses)Benomrane obviously drove them to San Diego and investigators just found this out as Benomrane is being rushed out of the country in the worlds fastest deportation non- hearing in historyTo bad Benomrane wasn't a DREAMER.


"INS would not reschedule the deportation to accommodate their request." page 4/7
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane


"INS would not reschedule the deportation to accommodate their request."   - WHY THE F%#K IS THAT?

"INS couldn't tell them the names of their officers who were with Benomrane, and their officers apparently didn't have pagers or cell phones"  - WTF?

Their officers apparently were also without radios and walkie-talkies, and sounds like they were not even INS officers since..."INS couldn't tell them the names of their officers"

I guess back then-it was a little easier to deport people. Or maybe this BS can finally be exposed instead of hidden and then ignored until forgotten about or in most cases never known.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #229 on: April 01, 2018, 03:35:55 pm »
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