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« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2017, 04:47:11 pm »
If the FBI had no idea these men were Al Qaeda. What could have prevented them from attempting to recruit Hazmi and Midhar as confidential informants. Butler said he was investigating Saudi money flows to terrorists and indeed money was flowing from Saudi accounts to these two people.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2017, 05:34:45 pm »
FBI agent Brian Weidner denied all and any links to the Saudi Embassy in this interview:

https://research.archives.gov/id/2610125

This is an example of why the 911 Commission found the way it did and therefore one of the conflicts which needs to be resolved
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« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2017, 06:14:46 pm »
While hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar live in the house of an FBI asset, Abdussattar Shaikh, the asset continues to have contact with his FBI handler. The handler, FBI agent Steven Butler, later claims that during the summer Shaikh mentions the names “Nawaf” and “Khalid” in passing and that they are renting rooms from him. Shaikh tells Butler that they are apolitical and have done nothing to arouse suspicion. However, according to the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, he later admits that Alhazmi has “contacts with at least four individuals he knew were of interest to the FBI and about whom he had previously reported to the FBI.” Three of these four people are being actively investigated at the time the hijackers are there.

Points toward something larger
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« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2017, 06:35:04 pm »
The Joe Trento version

After 9/11, an unnamed former CIA officer who worked in Saudi Arabia will tell investigative journalist Joe Trento that hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar were allowed to operate in the US unchecked because they were agents of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence agency. “We had been unable to penetrate al-Qaeda. The Saudis claimed that they had done it successfully. Both Alhazmi and Almihdhar were Saudi agents. We thought they had been screened. It turned out the man responsible for recruiting them had been loyal to Osama bin Laden. The truth is bin Laden himself was a Saudi agent at one time. He successfully penetrated Saudi intelligence and created his own operation inside. The CIA relied on the Saudis vetting their own agents. It was a huge mistake. The reason the FBI was not given any information about either man is because they were Saudi assets operating with CIA knowledge in the United States.”

In a 2006 book the Trentos will add: “Saudi intelligence had sent agents Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi to spy on a meeting of top associates of al-Qaeda in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, January 5-8, 2000. ‘The CIA/Saudi hope was that the Saudis would learn details of bin Laden’s future plans. Instead plans were finalized and the Saudis learned nothing,’ says a terrorism expert who asks that his identity be withheld… Under normal circumstances, the names of Almihdhar and Alhazmi should have been placed on the State Department, Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), and US Customs watch lists. The two men would have been automatically denied entry into the US. Because they were perceived as working for a friendly intelligence service, however, the CIA did not pass along the names.”

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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2017, 06:43:33 pm »
It has been suggested there were two other individuals living in the Shaikhs house concurrently with Midhar and Hazmi.

One was a Saudi guy who knew Hani Hanjour when he was young and had some relationship with Bayoumi.

The other I dont know.

A guy called Bakarbashat was found living in the house by FBI agents after 9/11. He had worked at the PLO gas station Al Hazmi had worked at. What the hell was he doing there. It appears Shaikh was advertising his property directly at the gas station now.

Obviously I found that two there guys Ramez Noaman and Jehanzeb Afridi who havent received much attention are registered residents of the property around the same time frame.

I seem to remember reading about some other guy whose name was on the same car insurance policies whose name i cant remember
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« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2017, 06:52:09 pm »
Why did Hazmi have Shaikh' s address on his notice to vacate the Parkwood apartment on 13 February 2000 and Mihdhar use the same address for his change of address on his bank account on 19 April 2000

Did Shaikh charge Mihdhar $300 for the eight days that he allegedly stayed in the house (June 2 to June I0). Why would Mihdhar pay a full month's rent knowing he was going to leave the country in a week. How was Shaikh remunerated for his services for the FBI.
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« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2017, 07:26:39 pm »
Commission interview with Thumairy

Upon arriving in Los Angeles, al-Thumairy stayed in a hotel close to both the KFM and the Saudi consulate for approximately one week. He then moved into an apartment on Kelton Avenue, near Venice Boulevard. AI-Thumairy said he subsequently moved from this apartment to a house in Culver City on Huron Avenue. This house was at the end of the same street as the KFM.

Kelton Ave is actually very close to the alleged meeting place for Bayoumi and the terrorists, on Venice Blvd. Huron Avenue is not exactly far away either. ( I presume 10863 Venice Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90034 is the correct address for that)
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« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2017, 09:10:37 pm »
can anyone decipher the handwritten notes at the bottom of this document. They seem quite interesting:

https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/iscap/pdf/2012-048-doc18.pdf

Something about a cab driver identifying the two men at the king fahad mosque, etc.
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« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2017, 09:22:37 pm »
It is interesting how the story has morphed since the 28 pages were written:

They say... there was a standing order on Haifas account to Basnan's wife staring January 1999. The story was this was payments to her for nursing services she performed. As Osama Basnan was still moaning about his ill health when 911 Commission staff interviewed him years later, it might be nursing services for him. The 28 Pages say that there is no evidence she ever performed nursing services. They key difference here is the date is completely out from the current *revised* story.

FBI found evidence of Payments from Bandar and his wife going back even a year prior to that. So says 28 Pages.

It is hard to see how these dates can be wrong by accident
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« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2017, 08:13:04 am »
A San Antonio doctor named AlBadr AlHazmi was arrested as a material witness one day after 911. He was held for two weeks then released. The FBI said he also went by the named Khalid Al Midhar. They said his credit card was used to purchase two of the tickets for the hiackers.

I found a possible identity for this man as Khalid alHazmi, a person by that name is registered at '911 St Paul Richardson tx' and has the same as as alBadr, 50. I also found thatalBadr shares a phone number with 'Omar Z Alsaigh' whose past addresses include a US Naval academy in Alameda, ca.

A man named Diah Thabet made a number of statements to the FBI such as knowing other muslims like Omar Bakarbashat who had pleaded with religious leaders for martyrdom operations but had not yet been approved. Thabet shared a linked to (i believe it was) Osama Mustafas gas station cell. Thabet shared a phone number with someone called 'Christina Hoertzknight' who had a previous address of '12 Box 12 Comnavforjapan N2 Fpo, AP 96349' which sounds like the Navy in Japan.

The San Diego cell is known to have frequented with multiple Saudi naval officers such as Osama Nooh and Lafti al-Harbi and another one. One of these guys was stationed at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, a place the hijackers used as an address to acquire identity documents. These Saudi officers admit to having helped the hijackers at times.

I would say there is evidence here for military assistance. Especially Naval.
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« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2017, 09:22:50 am »
Was Hani Hanjour a Saudi agent as well?
What about Khallad bin Attash.
How many Saudi agents were there.
Wali and Waleed al Shehri has grown up on Saudi military bases and their uncle was reported to be head of logistics for the saudi army.
Marwan Al Shehhi was in the UAE military. Although he was officially thrown out for desertion, an FBI agent considered the expert on the financing told the commission payments continued into 2000 and overlapped his Al Qaeda payments by six months.
Atta and Shehhi announced they had pilots jobs waiting for them in Saudi Arabia, was this part of some kind of cover.
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« Reply #91 on: January 13, 2017, 09:37:25 am »
Here is another ongoing counterterroism investigation:

In approximately 1998, the FBI became aware of millions of dollars in wire transfers from the Somali community in San Diego to Al Barakaat Trading Company and other businesses affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin. At the time, the funding appeared to be originating from the local Somali community in the form of donations to various Somali non-profits. However, the FBI now believes that the some of the funding actually originated from Saudi Arabia and that both the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Los Angeles and the Islamic Center of San Diego were involved in laundering the money.

They may also have been investigations of Osama Mustafas PLO cell and of Kifah Jayyousi's radical newsletter.
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« Reply #92 on: January 13, 2017, 09:42:16 am »
From the 28 pages:

According to the former Chief of Alec Station, the unit in the DCI’s Counterterrorist Center established in 1996 to focus specifically on Usama Bin Ladin, it was clear from about 1996 that the Saudi Government would not cooperate with the United States on maters relating to Usama Bin Ladin. There is a May 1996 memo from the DCI’s Counterterrorist Center stating that the Saudis had stopped providing background information or other assistance on Bin Ladin.
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« Reply #93 on: January 13, 2017, 09:58:53 am »
I really feel with Trumps obvious ties to Russia - this 'defend the Saud' national security position could genuinely be overturned in the coming years. Thats if he doesnt get impeached first.
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« Reply #94 on: January 13, 2017, 10:16:42 am »
Further Saudi money flows.

Fleet National Bank in Boston files a “suspicious-activity report” (SARS) with the US Treasury Department about wire transfers from the Saudi Embassy in Washington to Aafia Siddiqui, a long-time member of the Al-Kifah Refugee Center and then Care International, and her husband Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan. Fleet National Bank investigators discover that one account used by the Boston-area couple shows repeated on-line credit card purchases from stores that “specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel.” Khan purchased body armor, night-vision goggles, and military manuals, and then sent them to Pakistan. The bank also investigates two transfers totaling $70,000 sent on the same day from the Saudi Armed Forces Account used by the Saudi Embassy at the Riggs Bank in Washington to two Saudi nationals living in Boston

Riggs also reported $19,200 in payments from the Saudi Embassy to Gulshair al-Shukrijumah, a Florida-based imam connected to Omar Abdul Rahman, convicted of a 1996 plot to blow up New York City landmarks. Gulshair al-Shukrijumah's son, Adnan al-Shukrijumah, is a suspected al-Qaeda operative being sought by the FBI, said Newsweek.

Riggs employees are said to be close with the CIA and to have security clearances. Bush relative Jonathan Bush works at Riggs.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #95 on: January 13, 2017, 10:30:53 am »
Further Saudi money flows.

Fleet National Bank in Boston files a “suspicious-activity report” (SARS) with the US Treasury Department about wire transfers from the Saudi Embassy in Washington to Aafia Siddiqui, a long-time member of the Al-Kifah Refugee Center and then Care International, and her husband Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan. Fleet National Bank investigators discover that one account used by the Boston-area couple shows repeated on-line credit card purchases from stores that “specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel.” Khan purchased body armor, night-vision goggles, and military manuals, and then sent them to Pakistan. The bank also investigates two transfers totaling $70,000 sent on the same day from the Saudi Armed Forces Account used by the Saudi Embassy at the Riggs Bank in Washington to two Saudi nationals living in Boston
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see: Aafia Siddiqui - WTC93 - 9/11 - strange case comes to closure?

also do a general search on "Aafia Siddiqui" - I have considered merging all the threads regarding her , but it seems better to leave them in place ,,,


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=158367.msg941400#msg941400
US jury convicts Aafia Siddiqui - Protests erupt across Pakistan over torture
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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=54115.0
A deeper look into the new "female Al-Qaeda"
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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=199436.0
Aafia Siddiqui’s Lawyer: “She was Detained for Five Years in a Black Site” 
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« Reply #96 on: January 13, 2017, 02:51:01 pm »
I found a podcast where her sister is being interview. Her sister is barking mad. I couldnt stand listening to it.
The only thing i really know about Aafia Siddiqui is that her new husband was related to KSM. Boston was obviously very important though. Osama's China White heroin came in through Boston. The Afghan Karzai family were there running a restaurant called Helmand. Abdullah bin Laden was there, he frequented that restaurant and knew the Tsarnaev family later on. Ptech and Care Int were there. All sorts of characters lived on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I believe Care was at 1085 Commonwealth. The Islamic society of Boston was tied to Abdulrahman Alamoudi a Bin Laden agent who infiltrated the Pentagon and the White House and who is tied to the organisations in Virginia that funded Al Qaeda and helped carry out 911.

There is enormous circumstantial evidence now that the old BCCI funding network became the Al Qaeda fund raising network and indeed the 911 support network.
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« Reply #97 on: January 13, 2017, 05:03:42 pm »
Fugitive Osama Mustafa is currently in email contact with PI Bill Warner. This may lead somewhere

You know Billy boy what is it that I ever did to you to write all that false stuff about me on the internet . I've never met you nor have I harmed you in any way. Is it just plain racist hate that makes you lie and attack me for no reason. I also had access to everyone's credit reports being a car dealer and all there personal information for 7 years. Look at yourself billy boy.

I told you a million times I had zero knowledge of 9-11 nor did I have any contact with these guys at all except for the time I told this guy , you idiots call nawaf to run my wife's car through the car wash. I offered to take as many polygraphs as they wanted and was never taken up on the offer. I invited them to search my home without a search warrant as I had nothing to hide. They are trying to cover up there crimes against what they did at trial.

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2017/01/tampas-osama-sam-mustafa-tells-me-how.html

Apparently Nawaf alHazmi had access to his wifes car. The terrorists may have used this to travel. Everybody seems to have shared in car insurance policies at this place for some reason.
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« Reply #98 on: January 13, 2017, 05:30:39 pm »
Military records show that hijackers Saeed and Ahmed Alghamdi listed their address on driver licenses and car registrations as 10 Radford Blvd., a base roadway where residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located, according to Newsweek (9-15-2001). Saeed Alghamdi listed the Radford address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile, and then used it again to register a late model Buick. Driver licenses thought to have been issued to Ahmed Alghamdi in 1996 and 1998 also list the Radford residence, added Newsweek.

Here is Saudi naval officer Osama Nooh. You can see he used this address:
https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/osama+nooh

I am not sure if these men are in fact the Saudi hijackers. But you can see the reported address is the same anyway.
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« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2017, 06:09:09 pm »
Bayoumi told the 911 Commission he would travel to LA ever 2-3 months with an Italian-American podiatrist named 'Dr joe.'

I believe this could be Joseph A Averna, who is the first link in google for that information. I am surprised to find one of listed addresses for this man was 8451 Mount Vernon, Lemon Grove, the Shaikhs house.

In some stories the Shaikh claimed he only met Bayoumi in early 2000 at the SD Islamic Centre. In another version though he told the FBI he met Bayoumi in 1994 while teaching at America Commonwealth University. ACU was in fact a university run out of an office suite in northern San Diego (2801 Camino Del Rio S), so that doesnt make total sense either. Bayoumi was however a permanent student.
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« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2017, 09:33:39 am »
Nawaf and Khalid already had US visas in the Spring of 1999.
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In early 1999, Bin Ladin summoned KSM to Kandahar to tell him that his proposal to use aircraft as weapons now had al Qaeda’s full support... Hazmi and Mihdhar were both Saudi nationals—although Mihdhar was actually of Yemeni origin—and experienced mujahidin, having fought in Bosnia together. They were so eager to participate in attacks against the United States that they already held U.S. visas. - http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_16.pdf

How many times had they already visited the United States?
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« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2017, 09:57:42 am »
Who was KSM?
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A Kuwaiti from the Baluchistan region of Pakistan, KSM grew up in a religious family and claims to have joined the Muslim Brotherhood at the age of 16. After attending college in the United States, he went to Afghanistan to participate in the anti-Soviet jihad.

He joined the Muslim Brotherhood. He went to the US KSM was involved in multiple car accidents whilst in the US. Staging auto accidents is a hallmark of Islamic organised crime. Was KSM already involved in something at this time?

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In December 1997, former CIA agent Robert Baer, newly retired from the CIA and working as a terrorism consultant, meets Hamad bin Jassim bin Hamad al Thani, who was Qatar’s minister of the economy and chief of police until he was deposed and exiled the year before, and whom he calls the “black prince.” Al Thani tells Baer that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) was being sheltered by then Qatari Interior Minister Abdallah bin Khalid al-Thani in 1996. However, the black prince knows other details, based on what Qatari police and intelligence learned when KSM was in the country. He says that KSM is chief of al-Qaeda’s terrorist operations. KSM was leading an al-Qaeda cell in Qatar together with Mohammed Shawqui Islambouli, the brother of the Egyptian who had killed Anwar Sadat. They also were linked to bomber Ramzi Yousef. But what worries the black prince is that KSM and Islambouli are experts in hijacking commercial planes. He tells Baer that KSM “is going to hijack some planes.”

Baer knew stuff. He knew bout the 9/11 plot in 1998.
Who do the Qatari's work for?
Al Jazeera is in Qatar. It is the new name for BBC Arabia. Osama bin Laden sends his video cassettes in a jiffy bag to Al Jazeera and Al Jazeera airs them around the world for him, multiplying his message. AL Jazeera's website is hosted from the USA (Infocom, HLF.)

The people who host it are connected to Omar al Bayoumi
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The FBI determined that al-Bayoumi was in contact with several individuals under FBI investigation and with the Holy Land Foundation,

When Moussaoui entered the US he came as a business representative of Infocus Tech of Malaysia, Yazid Suufat's company. Infocus tech only had one US distributor, IEX. IEX are in the same Dallas suburb as Infocom/HLF, who host Al Jazeeras website. HLF will become the largest terrorism trial in American history. According to IEX's history the company helped build the ground station infrastructure for the GTE airfone system. This system was used to make telephone calls on 9/11.

Airfone was an air-ground radiotelephone service developed by MCI WorldCom founder John D. Goeken, and operated under the names Airfone, GTE Airfone and Verizon. Airfone allowed passengers to make and recieve telephone calls in-flight.
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The first iteration of Airfone service only permitted air-to-ground calls and frequently dropped calls. A new generation dubbed GenStar was developed jointly by GTE and IEX Corp. in 1992. IEX developed the software, which ran on hardware built by Stratus Computers. GenStar introduced the capacity for airborne nodes to also receive calls, and for connections to be handed over between ground cells as the aircraft moved through them, reducing dropped calls. Handsets also gained screens and jacks for fax transmissions
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2017, 10:24:37 am »
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Bin Ladin quickly provided KSM with four potential suicide operatives: Nawaf al Hazmi, Khalid al Mihdhar, Walid Muhammad Salih bin Attash, also known as Khallad, and Abu Bara al Taizi. Khallad and Abu Bara, being Yemeni nationals, would have trouble getting U.S. visas compared to Saudis. Therefore, KSM decided to split the operation into two parts. Hazmi and Mihdhar would go to the United States, and the Yemeni operatives would go to Southeast Asia to carry out a smaller version of the Bojinka plot.

Following the training, all four operatives for the operation traveled to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Khallad and Abu Bara were directed to study airport security and conduct surveillance on U.S. carriers, and Hazmi and Mihdhar were to switch passports in Kuala Lumpur before going on to the United States. Khallad—who traveled to Kuala Lumpur ahead of Hazmi and Mihdhar—attended a prosthesis clinic in Kuala Lumpur. He then flew to Hong Kong aboard a U.S. airliner and was able to carry a box cutter, concealed in his toiletries bag, onto the flight. He returned to Kuala Lumpur, where Hazmi and Mihdhar arrived during the first week in January 2000.

Khallad had his meetings in Bangkok and returned to Kandahar. Khallad and Abu Bara would not take part in a planes operation

Here we see the presence of four men. Khallad bin Attash's movements are alluded to but it is implied he did not travel to the US because he was a Yemeni and would "have trouble" getting a a visa. But we know the FBI had suggested he did indeed travel to LAX (and did so on the night of a thwarted planned attack against LAX by AL Qaeda 12/31/99.) So if he did what about Abu Bara al Taizi? His movements are not mentioned.
History commons seems to suggest his name was also Zohair Mohammed Said.

There was of course the matter of the Yemeni national and the mysterious hotel Subpoena.
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SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation

ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

I think I know who could be the name on the mastercard holding the room for Hazmi and Mihdhar/ AKA Abdullah and Abdallah....Benomrane describes "a yemeni" a few times in his interview, and the Yemeni knows more....

"He went on to describe a Yemeni, who was unknown to him, who was supposed to shepaerd around the 2 young Saudis before Benomrane met them."

Again the named similarity and the circumstance would make this guy Zohair Said a possibility for that. Although i think it is more likely to be Aulaqi.
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« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2017, 03:16:06 pm »
i found this document really interesting. It appears to be a Saudi take on the 29 Pages
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/saudi-28-pages-analysis.pdf
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« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2017, 03:33:13 pm »
I have found that Aafia Siddiqui is connected to this organisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Barakat
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In November 2002, Adel al Jubeir, then Foreign Affairs advisor to the Royal Court, acknowledged the situation by stating: “People have now taken advantage of our charity, of our generosity, of our naivety, if you want to call it that, of our innocence”

Yes they are just innocent. Those poor Saud. Just dont ask them about their Swiss bank accounts.
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« Reply #106 on: January 17, 2017, 12:54:00 pm »
In November 2002, Adel al Jubeir, then Foreign Affairs advisor to the Royal Court, acknowledged the situation by stating: “People have now taken advantage of our charity, of our generosity, of our naivety, if you want to call it that, of our innocence”

Yes they are just innocent. Those poor Saud. Just dont ask them about their Swiss bank accounts.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950631001377
Report: Saudi Top Diplomat's wife Files for Divorce after Discovery of Jubeir Sexual Tendencies

TEHRAN (FNA)- Ex-wife of Saudi foreign minister started divorce proceedings in a British court, saying that her husband has Homosexual tendencies, reports by Kuwaiti media said.


The Kuwaiti newspaper, al-Qabas said in a report that Adel al-Jubeir, the 50-year-old Saudi Foerign minister has been enmeshed in yet another public disgrace by taking part in "obnoxious male parties in Thailand", Awd News reported.

Farah al-Fayez, 27, described the discovery of her husband's tendencies as her 'worst nightmare' and expressed her concerns about indisputable effects of collapse of the marriage on her four children, especially in the traditional society of Saudi Arabia.


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https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07RIYADH2320_a.html

From: Saudi Arabia Riyadh
Markings: -- Not Assigned --

To:
Central Intelligence Agency  | India New Delhi | National Security Council  | Pakistan Islamabad | Pakistan Karachi | Pakistan Lahore | Pakistan Peshawar | Saudi Arabia Jeddah | Secretary of State  | The Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf  | United States Central Command 
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5.  (S) Al-Jubeir added that for the SAG, stability in Pakistan is an essential strategic matter. Since Pakistan
possesses both nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, from the Saudi point of view, the policy choice to be made there  boils down to a drastic choice: "We can either support Musharraf and stability, or we can allow bin Laden to get the bomb, "he told the Charge'.


6.  (S) Comment: As a senior royal advisor who has worked for King Abdullah for eight years now, al-Jubeir's views
generally track very closely with those of the King.  It seems likely that King Abdullah, Prince Muqrin, and Prince
Saud al-Faisal will offer Musharraf pledges of strong support in their meetings today.  We note that the Saudis have an economic hold on Nawaz Sharif, sine he was reportedly the first non-Saudi to receive a special economic development loan from the SAG, with which to develop a business while were in exile.  We will report further information on these meetings as it develops.  End Comment.
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2000: FBI Tells Clinton that Al-Qaeda Is Under surveillance

In the wake of disrupting Ahmed Ressam’s millennium bomb plot at the end of 1999 and arresting his cohorts, US intelligence remains concerned that al-Qaeda sleeper cells remain in the US. However, Clinton’s National Security Adviser Sandy Berger later claims that the FBI still repeatedly assures the Clinton White House that al-Qaeda lacks the ability to launch a domestic strike. He says, “Until the very end of our time in office, the view we received from the FBI was that al-Qaeda had limited capacity to operate in the US and any presence here was under surveillance.”
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« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2017, 09:43:31 am »
Rudi Dekkers dad worked in Spain with ETA and was in fact murdered by them. This may be significant as evidence clearly suggests co-conspiracy between Al Qaeda fundraisers and ETA.

On June 3, 2001, a British newspaper reveals that Hamid Aich, who is on the FBI’s international wanted list, is living in Dublin where he is applying for asylum. Irish intelligence has been monitoring Aich’s movements since 1997, when authorities tied him to the mass murder of 77 tourists in Luxor, Egypt. He has since been linked to a number of militant groups. It is believed that between 1999 and 2001, Aich assisted 22 Islamic terrorist organizations, and even funded non-Islamic groups, for instance giving $200,000 to the ETA, a separatist group in the Basque region of Spain. Aich was also the director of Mercy International’s Ireland branch.

1999: Atta Said to Meet Los Angeles Airport Bomber in Spain
A Spanish newspaper later will claim that Ahmed Ressam, the al-Qaeda operative who attempted to bomb the Los Angeles airport at the turn of the millennium, meets Mohamed Atta in the Alicante region of Spain in this year. It is unclear whether the men trained at the same camp while they were in Afghanistan. According to other Spanish reports, in 1997 or 1998 Atta was a student in Valencia under an assumed name. Valenica is less than 100 miles from Alicante.

Atta would later travel to Tarragona, Catalonia. Catalonia being an ETA stronghold. An ETA terrorist campaign in Spain was very active in 2001.
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« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2017, 04:37:28 pm »
The FBI had identified the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Culver City as a site of extremist-related activity both before and after September 11. Based on interviews and review of FBI files, San Diego FBI agents believed at the time that certain subjects were laundering money through this mosque first to Somali non-profit organizations and then to other entities affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin.

In approximately 1998, the FBI became aware of millions of dollars in wire transfers from the Somali community in San Diego to Al Barakaat Trading Company and other businesses affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin. At the time, the funding appeared to be originating from the local Somali community in the form of donations to various Somali non-profits. However, the FBI now believes that the some of the funding actually originated from Saudi Arabia and that both the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Los Angeles and the Islamic Center of San Diego were involved in laundering the money.

According to the former FBI agent in San Diego who was involved in this investigation, this scheme may allow the Saudi Government to provide al-Qa’ida with funding through covert or indirect means.

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It is also worth mentioning that the Kurdish mosque Bayoumi was installed in was built with Saudi money and that I believe this same islamic centre actually donated money to the same Somali groups referenced here.
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« Reply #110 on: January 24, 2017, 08:44:38 am »
A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.

The first block came in the 1970’s, as a result of Congressional reaction to domestic espionage against the anti-Vietnam war movement. In a case of blatant over-reaction, the FBI placed all houses of worship and religious charities off-limits for any surveillance whatsoever unless there was independent probable cause. This meant that all Mosques and other Muslim meeting places for terrorist groups were effectively off limits until after a crime had been committed. The block order was not lifted until last week by Atty. General Ashcroft.

The second block order, in force since the 1980’s, was against any investigation that would embarrass the Saudi Royal family. Originally, it was designed to conceal Saudi support for Muslim extremists fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan and Chechnya, but it went too far. Oliver North noted in his autobiography, that every time he tried to do something about terrorism links in the Middle East, he was told to stop because it might embarrass the Saudis. This block remains in place.

As the combined result of these two blocks, the Saudis were able to fund middle eastern terrorists in complete secrecy during the 1990’s through a network of Muslim charities in Virginia, Tampa and Florida. The Saudi funding network was targeted at the destruction of the State of Israel and the obstruction of the Palestinian peace process.

In the early 1990’s, a consortium of American oil companies (lead by Unocal) had hired Enron to determine the profitability of building an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan so that America could have access to the Caspian Sea Basin, holding 1/8th of the worlds energy supplies.

There is no doubt that these secret negotiations existed, and that they were known to Al Qaida. Loftus recently received an FBI translation of a highly classified and encrypted Al Qaida document, circa 1997-1998, which was retrieved and decrypted from a computer laptop following the Embassy bombing in Africa. The document was written by Osama Bin Laden’s military commander, Mohammed Atef, under his nom de guerre, Abu Haf, and reveals extensive knowledge of the supposedly secret pipeline negotiations, and their potential economic worth to the Taliban, Pakistan and the U.S.

Former Afghanistan CIA agent Robert Baer has recently published a book charging that the cover-up of the 1990’s pipeline negotiations revealed extensive financial corruption inside the Clinton administration, and contributed to the lack of intelligence before 9/11. The Taliban negotiations temporarily collapsed in 1999 after Clinton reversed his NSC advisor’s policy, and ordered a missile strike against terrorists in Afghanistan.

However, in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neil resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal. Loftus has confirmed that it was O’Neill who originally discovered the AL Qaida pipeline memo after the Embassy bombings in Africa.

Loftus asserts that the Enron block, which remained in force from January 2001 until August 2001 when the pipeline deal collapsed, is the reason that none of FBI agent Rowley’s requests for investigations were ever approved.
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« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2017, 12:27:37 pm »
The Sunday People, a London tabloid, is out with what it says is a true account of the local strip-club revels of Khalid al-Midhar, Nawaf Alhamzi, and Hani Hanjour, the three terrorist hijackers with San Diego connections. According to the paper, the trio "blew at least $15,000 of terrorist funds in dozens of strip bars in San Diego on America's West Coast.

The paper quotes two exotic dancers, Kerry and Monica, as saying the men told them they were pilots with Royal Saudi Airlines.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2001/sep/27/terror-party/
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« Reply #112 on: February 18, 2017, 12:45:31 pm »
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Quote from: TahoeBlue on February 17, 2017, 11:51:27 AM


http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/2014GanserVol39May.pdf
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The Strategy of Tension It is probably fair to say that of the roughly seven billion people who live on our planet today, far less than one percent has ever heard of the “strategy of tension.” And only a very few of these could illustrate the strategy with specific historical examples
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In its essence, the strategy of tension targets the emotions of human beings and aims to spread maximum fear among the target group. “Tension” refers to emotional distress and psychological fear, whereas “strategy” refers to the technique of bringing about such distress and fear. A terrorist attack in a public place, such as a railway station, a market place, or a school bus, is the typical technique through which the strategy of tension is implemented. After the attack --- and this is a crucial element — the secret agents who carried out the crime blame it on a political opponent by removing and planting evidence.
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The strategy of tension forms part of what is called “psychological warfare” or PSYWAR. As the term indicates, this form of warfare does not attack human bodies, tanks, planes, ships, satellites, and houses in order to destroy them, but human psyches, human minds
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DeduiHeWU
The Strategy of Tension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbLftrLCx_g
Counter Intelligence III: The Strategy of Tension (Full Length Documentary)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgsdzeP1vkU
A Strategy of Tension - [Divide, Manipulate, Control]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0uNVEB40os
Frank Lowy, The Other 9/11 Mass Murderer & Pal Of Larry Silverstein

FOX News Just Went Globalist – Threw Trump Under the Bus

Rubert a globalist ? how COULD THAT BE?

The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia’s fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.

Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian  society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio  station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”


http://www.aim.org/aim-column/scandal-rocks-fox-news-over-saudi-terror-link/

Scandal Rocks Fox News Over Saudi Terror Link

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/03/04/saudi-influence-peddling-and-why-fox-news-has-gone-all-soft-on-islam/


9/11 connection:
http://incogman.net/2013/10/fox-news-rupert-murdoch-is-a-crypto-jew/
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Murdoch and the Czechoslovakian-born Israeli commando Frank Lowy, a former fighter in Israel’s Golani Brigade, who emigrated to Australia in the 1950s, have had a long friendship, which Murdoch recounted during an American Australian Association fund-raising dinner in honor of Frank’s son, Peter S. Lowy, in New York on November 20, 2002. Larry Silverstein and his wife also attended the American Australian event.

Some reporters refer to the American Australian Association, whose membership includes James Wolfensohn, the president of the World Bank, who raised cash for Rupert Murdoch when he first expanded into the United States, as “the kangaroo mafia.”

“Frank was a brave and determined fighter,” Rafi Kocer, Lowy’s former commander, said. Lowy has donated some $350,000 to build a memorial museum in Israel for his former brigade.

Today, Lowy and his three sons control Westfield Corporation, one of the largest operators of shopping centers in the United States – and the world.

 Insured Against Terrorist Attacks

On September 12, 2001, The Jerusalem Post reported: “Frank Lowy, who emigrated  to Australia from Israel in 1952, owns the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square  foot retail portion of the destroyed World Trade Center…Westfield said today  that it has insurance cover against terrorist attacks and its earnings will not  be materially affected.”

Lowy, is described by the Sydney Morning Herald as “a self-made man with a  strong interest in the Holocaust and Israeli politics.”

http://m.dagospia.com/maglie-trump-e-la-nomina-chiave-dell-ambasciatore-in-israele-murdoch-obama-e-i-grandi-elettori-137852

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« Reply #113 on: February 18, 2017, 01:04:51 pm »
The Blind Sheikh is no more
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« Reply #114 on: February 19, 2017, 03:20:26 pm »
The Blind Sheikh is no more

Time can be justice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdel-Rahman
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Abdel-Rahman was issued a tourist visa to visit the United States by the consul of the United States Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, despite his name being listed on a U.S. State Department terrorist watch list.

Abdel-Rahman entered the United States in July 1990 via Saudi Arabia, Peshawar, and Sudan. The State Department revoked his tourist visa on 17 November.[11] Despite this, in April 1991, he obtained a green card from the Immigration and Naturalization Service office in Newark, New Jersey. After leaving the U.S. to go on an overseas trip, he tried to re-enter the U.S. in August 1991. At that point, U.S. officials recognized that he was on the lookout list, and began the procedure to revoke his permanent resident status. The U.S. government still allowed him to enter the country, as he had the right to appeal the decision to revoke his residency status. Abdel-Rahman failed to appeal the decision, and on 6 March 1992, the U.S. government revoked his green card. He then requested political asylum. A hearing on that matter was held on 20 January 1993.[12] It was later revealed that Abdel-Rahman was given most of his visa approvals by the CIA.[13]

Egyptian officials have testified that the CIA was actively assisting him in entering the US.[14]

Abdel-Rahman traveled widely in the United States and Canada. Despite U.S. support for the mujahideen in Afghanistan, Abdel-Rahman was deeply anti-American, and spoke out against the country. He issued a fatwa in the US that declared it lawful to rob banks and kill Jews in the US. His sermons condemned Americans as the "descendants of apes and pigs who have been feeding from the dining tables of the Zionists, Communists, and colonialists".[15] He called on Muslims to assail the West, "cut the transportation of their countries, tear it apart, destroy their economy, burn their companies, eliminate their interests, sink their ships, shoot down their planes, kill them on the sea, air, or land".[16]

Preaching at three mosques in the New York City area, Abdel-Rahman was soon surrounded by a core group of devoted followers that included persons who would soon be responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which took place five weeks into the Bill Clinton administration. One of Abdel-Rahman's followers, El Sayyid Nosair, was linked to the 1990 Manhattan assassination of Israeli nationalist Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/blind-sheik-omar-abdel-rahman-linked-1993-wtc-attack-dies-article-1.2976140
Blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, mastermind of 1993 World Trade Center bombing, dies at 78
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Updated: Sunday, February 19, 2017, 12:54 AM

Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind sheik who masterminded the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, died Saturday at a North Carolina prison hospital, officials said.

The 78-year-old Egyptian cleric passed away of natural causes inside the Federal Medical Center in Butner about 5:40 a.m., officials said.
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« Reply #115 on: February 19, 2017, 06:41:04 pm »
^ http://news.intelwire.com/2007/06/us-secretly-met-with-followers-of-blind.html

Evidence for something

Also, it says: "Rahman also traveled to the United States in 1988 to speak a conference, the member said. The "blind sheikh" traveled to the U.S. yearly, the member said, on trips supported by Saudi Arabia."

The visas were issued in Sudan, not Egypt. Bin Laden was in Sudan at the time (?). The Blind Sheikhs living costs in the US were covered by Osama bin Laden. (FBI discovered this in Day of Terror plot investigation)

Osama had a man inside the Pentagon who funnelled the money to the Blind Sheikh. (This is also evidence of US coconspiracy).

This evidence suggests US-Saudi-Bin Laden-Blind Sheikh coconspiracy in some project. This was post Afghanistan.

Ali Mohamed working at Fort Bragg and showing up at Al Kifah is just a further part of it.
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http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-larry-silverstein-designed-new-wtc-7-one-year-attacks/214821/

9/11: Larry Silverstein Designed New WTC-7 One Year Before Attacks

Larry Silverstein was caught admitting on camera that he planned to build an entirely new World Trade Center 7 (WTC-7) building one year before the 9/11 attacks had occurred.
By Sean Adl-Tabatabai | Your News Wire | March 16, 2016

Back in April 2000, one year and five months before the attacks, “Lucky Larry” held a meeting to discuss plans to replace building 7 in 2002.  As reported by Veterans Today:

“We got the designs.  And the first design meeting was in April of 2000. And construction began shortly thereafter, in 2002.”

Watch Larry Silverstein – New WTC7 designed in 2000:

https://youtu.be/j-_WYHwUtcI

One slight problem: If he hadn’t been planning the illegal, un-permitted, homicidal demolitions of WTC-7 and the entire World Trade Center complex that took place on September 11th, 2001, there would have been no point to any such design meeting back in April, 2000 … and no opportunity for beginning construction of a new WTC-7 in 2002.
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In 2001, “Lucky Larry,” who had previously owned only WTC-7, orchestrated a deal with his fellow-ultra-Zionist Lewis Eisenberg, Chairman of the mobbed-up NY Port Authority, and another Zionist extremist billionaire, Frank Lowy, to sell the entire WTC complex to Silverstein and backers on a 100-year lease. The deal was finalized in July, 2001, and Larry took possession of the buildings … and security arrangements. But first, he hard-balled his insurers into doubling the terror insurance coverage and changing the terms to “instant cash payout.”

On September 11th, Larry hit the jackpot. The condemned-for-asbestos and largely vacant Twin Towers, with their obsolete communications infrastructure and money-hemorrhaging balance sheet, were both demolished for free – with 3,000 people inside.
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« Reply #117 on: February 20, 2017, 05:40:41 am »
Rahman was one of many Al Qaeda religious leaders to find sanctuary in the US. Ayman Zawahiri and Anwar Haddam both transited the US. In Haddams case also working with CIA. Moussa Marzook and KSM also moved through the US at various times. Bin Laden himself was there and stories persist about other visits, such as one to coincide with first WTC attack.
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« Reply #118 on: February 20, 2017, 05:49:10 am »
Here is the true history of Al Qaeda::
there is little dispute about this now, unlike what happenned to the buildings

Fake "charity" organizations were set up for recruitment and training. One of the main ones was called The Al Kifah Refugee Center. Private donations and charities were also set up including Maktab al-Khidamat aka Mak, and later aka Al Qaeda.

These were also the beginnings of the Brooklyn "terrorist" cell that was responsible for the first WTC bombing in 1993.

The Al Kifah Refugee Center is a charity that was active in the United States The charity was based in Brooklyn, and Tucson Arizona.

According to Cooperative Research the center had clandestine links to forces fighting in Afghanistan dating to the late 1980s, when the fighters enjoyed American support in their struggle against the Soviet occupiers. They assert that funds raised in the USA were covertly sent to Maktab al-Khidamat, an organization they say Osama bin Laden was later to transform into AL Qaeda.

The Maktab al-Khidamat, also Maktab Khadamāt al-Mujāhidīn al-'Arab, also known as the Afghan Services Bureau, is reliably believed to have been founded in 1984 by Abdullah Azzam and Osama bin Laden to raise funds and recruit foreign mujahidin for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. MAK became the forerunner to al-Qaeda and was instrumental in creating the fundraising and recruitment network that benefited al-Qaeda during the 1990s.

The Al Kifah Centre in Brooklyn was originally operated by Mustafa Shalabi, a close associate of MAK’s co-founder Abdullah Azzam. Interestingly enough once the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan both of these leaders Mustafa Shalabi of the Al Kifah Centre and Abdullah Azzam of the MAK were both assassinated

On 02/25/1991, Mustafa  Shalabi was mysteriously murdered in the underground parking of the World Trade center. Mustafa  Shalabi’s body was found in his car only on 03/01/1991. He had been shot and stabbed multiple times and $100,000 was stolen from his car. The murder was filmed by the security cameras.

Jamal al-Fadl, a founding member of al-Qaeda and future FBI informant, also works at the Al-Kifah Refugee Center in its early days. al-Fadl first reveals the existence of Al Qaeda to the world in a 2000 southern district prosecution of the 1998 Embassy bombing plot. Al Kifah out of UK, US and Pakistan was behind this attack.

The CIA has some murky connection to Al-Kifah that has yet to be fully explained. Newsweek will later say the Brooklyn office “doubled as a recruiting post for the CIA seeking to steer fresh troops to the mujaheddin” fighting in Afghanistan.

The Brooklyn office also raises a considerable amount of money for MAK/Al-Kifah back in Pakistan. The Independent will later call the office “a place of pivotal importance to Operation Cyclone,
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #119 on: February 23, 2017, 09:09:13 am »
The earliest roots of the Benevolence International Foundation (BIF) date back to 1987, when Sheik Abdel Abdul Jalil Batterjee established Lajnat al-Birr al-Islamiah (the Islamic Benevolence Committee, or IBC), with offices in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The nascent IBC's purpose was twofold: (a) to supply weapons and funds to the mujahideen who, at that time, were battling the Russian military in Afghanistan, and (b) to facilitate the immigration of jihadists into that conflict zone. In 1992, IBC merged with a Philippine-based group known as Benevolence International, which had been formed by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. The new entity, known as BIF, was incorporated as a tax-exempt nonprofit in Illinois on March 30, 1992. Its headquarters were set up in the town of Plantation, Florida by Adham Hassoun, a local Palestinian activist.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6416

Benevolence is tied to the WTC93 bombing, the OKC bombing and 9/11

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Sunbiz lists the registered directors:

HASSOUN, ADHAM
150 S. UNIVERSITY DRIVE
PLANTATION, FL 33324

Officer/Director Detail

BATTERJEE, ADEL A
BATTERJEE, SHAHIR A
BAHARETH, MAZIN M
http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=BENEVOLENCEINTERNATIONALFOUNDA%20F930000006480&aggregateId=fornp-f93000000648-13078373-7d8b-4316-997e-94cc5b93e20f&searchTerm=benevolence&listNameOrder=BENEVOLENCE%20P100000451880

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The same names later appear linked to Atta

Charity founders tied to Hamburg terror suspects, November 03, 2002.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-11-03/news/0211030278_1_al-qaeda-hijackers-saudi-arabia/2

The overlap between the Hamburg firm and Benevolence International Foundation surfaced during an investigation of what one source termed "the second layer" of terrorism in Hamburg, the suspected financial and logistical support of radical Islamic organizations.

Investigators probing beneath that surface for what they believe may be a deeper and broader terrorist infrastructure are encountering entities such as Triple-B Trading GmbH, a self-described import-export concern that does no apparent business and is headquartered in the tiny village of Rethwisch, about 60 miles from Hamburg's bustling port.

U.S. prosecutors say they have "an archive of incriminating documents" linking Benevolence International directly to Osama bin Laden and his terrorist organization, Al Qaeda, which was responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

An FBI affidavit filed in the Benevolence case describes Adel Batterjee, believed to be a first cousin of Shahir's, as "a wealthy Saudi Arabian national" who was "involved with the mujahedeen in Afghanistan" and is a personal associate of bin Laden. Arnaout's conversations as captured by FBI wiretaps indicate that he and Adel Batterjee were in close contact.

The third Triple-B partner, Hassan Bahfzallah, oversaw Benevolence's operations in Saudi Arabia in the early 1990s and is listed as an official of three Islamic groups in northern Virginia that were raided last March by federal agents probing alleged ties to Al Qaeda.

Reached by telephone in Saudi Arabia, Shahir Batterjee refused to discuss the activities or purpose of Triple-B Trading. "I don't answer questions on the phone," he said repeatedly before hanging up.

Public records identify the single employee of Triple-B as its managing director, Abdul-Matin Tatari, a 60-year-old Syrian-born exporter of clothing and other items who has recently fallen under a cloud of suspicion with regard to Sept. 11.

Investigators also say Atta himself worked for a time at Tatex, which Tatari vehemently denies. But Tatari admits that one of his sons signed Atta's petition to establish an Islamic "study group" at Hamburg's Technical University that served as a rendezvous for the hijackers and their supporters.

The son, Mohammed Hady Tatari, also is close to another former Hamburg student, Mounir El Motassadeq, who currently is on trial in Hamburg, charged with providing the hijackers material support.
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