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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2016, 12:56:05 pm »
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The terrorists’ interest in Portland continues to baffle local police and the two FBI agents conducting investigations in the city.

They’re still trying to establish whether a terrorist cell was set up in Portland to assist the hijackers.

Atta’s final visit to Portland on Sept. 10 was apparently not his first.

Several people report having seen him in the months before.

Barry Mason, who works at Portland Micucci Wholesale Grocery, store said he’ll never forget his brush with Atta, whom he saw in the store three or four times. The last time was on Aug. 29, when Atta bought Syrian pita bread.

“I looked at him and made eye contact,” Mason said. “His eyes were so cold and scary – I looked away and thought, ‘I hope he never comes back.'”
http://nypost.com/2001/10/12/final-hours-of-hijack-monster-he-waited-until-last-minute-to-buy-boxcutters/

A background check on the Italian Micucci family who own this grocery revealed they have ties to Venice, Florida.  -  1555 Tarpon Center Venice, FL 34285  -  https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/bruce+micucci/369206203

What a co-incidence.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2016, 09:43:29 am »
Farhad Azima:
Azima had an associate who lived in Naples Florida, Howard Taft Bosaberg
Azima had another associated who lived in Naples, Florida and who recruited and financed Rudi Dekkers to run the terrorist flight school.
Azima lived with a woman named Cara-Ann who used the same apartment complex in South Florida that Jose Padilla girlfriend lived in and that Timothy McVeighs sister lived in, 7400 Stirling Hollywood.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2016, 11:46:17 am »
What we need is a forum full of people who actually wanna have a conversation about what happened.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2016, 11:27:28 pm »
Benomrane is the reason an investigation was opened on Thumairy...........
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And this very interesting subpoena.....

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation


ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Remember Benomrane said.....

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA.

Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results.

How did the commission know to issue a subpoena for those names?

Hilton response to subpoena with Said Abdullah and Said Abdallah names redacted.....


T1A B43 Hilton Subpoena Fdr- Entire Contents- Subpoena- Faxes- Guest Folio- Said Abdullah (See SD B4 Subpoenas for Unredacted
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

According to the billing they stayed in room 1777 and the room was held for them starting Jan 13.
page 5/9 shows on the billing that a MasterCard was used.
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

I'd like to know who's MasterCard that was. If someone gets embarrassed by this, because it all turns out to be innocent, to bad. It's worth looking into. Frankly these two names who checked out together the day after the hijackers arrived sound rather suspicious to me....
Said Abdullah and 
Said Abdallah
Really?



The Reason Anwar Al-Awlaki and his son were murdered by drones?

I think I know who could be the name on the mastercard holding the room for Hazmi and Mihdhar/ AKA Abdullah and Abdallah....Benomrane describes "a yemeni" a few times in his interview, and the Yemeni knows more....


Benomrane wasn't supposed to chauffer the Saudis, until "a Yemeni" was price-gouging Thumairy...

"...he had already heard at that point that two Saudis had come to town, and were met at LAX by someone unknown to Benomrane."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

"He went on to describe a Yemeni, who was unknown to him, who was supposed to shepherd around the 2 young Saudis before Benomrane met them."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This makes a likely suspect...

Anwar Al-Awlaki is the former leader of the Masjid Ar-Ribat al-Islami mosque on Saranac Street on the border of San Diego and La Mesa, which was attended regularly by the hijackers and their acquaintances.
http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation/terror/20030725-9999_1n25report.html

Jul 21, 2015
The gunman who allegedly killed four Marines and a Navy sailor last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, had downloaded audio recordings of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-Yemeni cleric who was a recruiter for al Qaeda, law enforcement officials told NBC News.

http://southern251.rssing.com/browser.php?indx=8725915&item=19462

If it's true - Anwar could blurt this out at anytime. But that's been taken care of..... thanks to this guy.....

David Jeremiah Barron

In 2010, he authored a secret memo which provided the legal foundation for President Obama's unprecedented decision to order a drone strike on Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen who was a radical Islamic militant living in Yemen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeremiah_Barron

Only a Harvard Scholar would know that killing American citizens with nothing but a secret memo as evidence of whatever it is they get killed for, is perfectly legal and constitutional. "Creating" a memo like that deserves a promotion...

On September 24, 2013, President Obama nominated Barron to serve as a United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit

On May 22, 2014, the Senate voted 53–45 for final confirmation to the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeremiah_Barron

This Detective should be asked what they know of Abdulluh/Abdallah...

"Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This Det. Gizzi is probably where D Snell knew to ask for names Abdullah and Abddallah in his subpoena.......

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation

ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and


The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Gizzi checked the names on the Hilton at LAX....

"Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

He/She might/should know/knew the name on the mastercard.

3 most likely suspects for name on mastercard IMO...

Thumairy
Anwar Al-Awlaki 
"by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA"
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-investigation-2002-09-sep

How about this name on the mastercard gets declassified and we find out that I'm wrong.
I'd be fine with that-this name that is holding this room should not be hidden if it's helping the hijackers. It should be revealed whoever it is.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2016, 09:50:57 am »
Khalid bin Attash is a yemeni, was in the area the same month and is associated with the Saudi Consulate.

Yes it should be public who it is. I note many of the classifications are law enforcement privacy, not sure the significance of that.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2016, 07:40:40 am »
Why particularly Aulaqi? Any reason to rule out Attash or any others?
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2016, 04:44:04 pm »
Why particularly Aulaqi? Any reason to rule out Attash or any others?

Bin Attash is possible. Aulaqi was blown to pieces by a drone, two weeks later the same thing happened to his 16 year old son. They could have easily arrested him. Mohdar Abdullah is another suspect-I happen to know they checked LAX for the period Jan 14-17 to see if Mohdar Abdullah's car was there during that time-negative results. We don't know if "the yemeni" is the owner of the mastercard. What is known is "the yemeni" was supposed to be the one hauling the 2 Saudis around before Benomrane did. Aulaqi had telephonic contact with Bayoumi while he was assisting the hijackers and Aulaqi moved to Virginia when the hijackers moved there. The way the name on the mastercard is kept secret leads me to believe it was probably a Saudi. All the Saudis are protected while those connected to them are killed or tortured.
Zubayduh-tortured-connected to Bandar
Binalshibh-tortured-connected to Basnan
Bin Attash-tortured-connected to Thumairy
Aulaqi- killed by drone-connected to Bayoumi-and probably Basnan
KSM-tortured-will confess to anything except where he gets his money
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2016, 04:54:58 pm »
thank you for this thread .
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« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2016, 08:20:59 pm »
Do you think it is interesting that KSM was initially identified as the mastermind through Zubaydah, who seems to have worked for the Saudis? Just thought about that based on you appearing to see a conspiracy to protect the Saud. It could for example be part of the same deflection.
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« Reply #49 on: January 01, 2017, 07:29:40 pm »
It would be nice to have a page discussing the actual contents of the 28 pages but I dont think anybody is actually interested. Not sure anybody online has ever reviewed those pages in depth

We also need an encyclopedia on these characters in the offical version and how they relate. For example there is no wikipedia entry on Osama Basnan. Trying to learn basic details is not simple.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2017, 09:37:38 pm »
It is interesting when 9/11 becomes politically embarrassing  the press folds up like an accordion ..

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

It was kept secret and remains so today.

President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of the 800-page report. Text isn’t just blacked-out here and there in this critical-yet-missing middle section. The pages are completely blank, except for dotted lines where an estimated 7,200 words once stood (this story by comparison is about 1,000 words).

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WASHINGTON: Then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar and his wife sent checks totaling some $130,000 to Bassnan while he was handling the hijackers. Though the Bandars claim the checks were “welfare” for Bassnan’s supposedly ill wife, the money nonetheless made its way into the hijackers’ hands.

Other al Qaeda funding was traced back to Bandar and his embassy — so much so that by 2004 Riggs Bank of Washington had dropped the Saudis as a client.

The next year, as a number of embassy employees popped up in terror probes, Riyadh recalled Bandar.

“Our investigations contributed to the ambassador’s departure,” an investigator who worked with the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Washington told me, though Bandar says he left for “personal reasons.”
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Saudi Arabia Faces the Missing 28 Pages
 May 23, 2016 By David Ottaway -
See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/saudi-arabia-faces-the-missing-28-pages#sthash.Q229HgeZ.dpuf

In December 2002, a joint Senate-House intelligence committee published its findings on the horrendous 9/11 terrorist attacks, which included evidence of possible links between the government of Saudi Arabia and some of the 15 Saudis involved in the bombings of the Pentagon and Twin Towers that cost nearly 3,000 American lives.

For national security reasons, the 28 pages detailing that information were never published.

But they may be shortly and revive yet another intense examination of alleged Saudi support for anti-American terrorism. The famous missing pages, if now declassified, will likely put the former Saudi ambassador to Washington, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and his wife, Haifa, back in the limelight. Some of the allegations after the attacks focused on the royal couple’s financial aid to the Saudi spouse of a student who appeared to have had contacts with two of the hijackers living in California, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, prior to 9/11.

Bandar was a flamboyant, free-wheeling diplomat with endless wit and charm, who served as ambassador to the United States for 22 years. He was in Washington at the time of the hijackings and had to deal with the barrage of accusations in the media and Congress regarding official Saudi complicity in the 9/11 plot. - See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/saudi-arabia-faces-the-missing-28-pages#sthash.Q229HgeZ.dpuf

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/saudi-arabia-faces-the-missing-28-pages
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2017, 06:04:16 am »
Most of the 911 truth movement folds up at the mention of Saudi Arabia.  :D forget the media
Media would definately cover if pressure was applied. It aint gonna happen. They aint gonna cover "muslims are jew holograms man."
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2017, 11:36:33 am »
related:

Dont know if its been mentioned but money from the Al Yamamah Swiss sccounts went into the Riggs accounts. Obviously the Riggs money is directly tied to the terrorists

yes exactly ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/15/bae.saudiarabia

1993 Al-Yamamah deal renewed. Saudis agree to buy 48 Tornados.

1997-1999
BAE sets up offshore accounts in British Virgin Islands and Switzerland to move around large sums of off-balance-sheet cash.


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http://cecaust.com.au/releases/2016_05_05_Reopen_SFO_AUS.html
Citizens Electoral Council of Australia
Media Release Thursday, 5 May 2016

To stop a major terrorist attack in Britain: Re-open the SFO’s al-Yamamah investigation!

In light of the political furore that has erupted in the USA over the Bush and Obama administrations’ cover-up of Saudi Arabia’s role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack, the British government must end its parallel cover-up of how the British-Saudi al-Yamamah arms deal generated funds for the 9/11 attackers.

 In particular, the House of Commons committees now examining British arms trade with Saudi Arabia must pursue these revelations regarding 9/11. Otherwise the continuing cover-up will ensure that a near-term mass terrorist attack in Britain itself is a certainty, an attack which MI5 and MI6 chiefs have repeatedly warned is coming.

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The real story behind 9/11

The 14-year suppression of 28 pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11, which detail the financing of that attack, started to unravel on 10 April when the CBS TV prime time 60 Minutes program reported on the 28 pages, ahead of Barack Obama’s visit to Saudi Arabia and the UK the week of 28 April. A number of U.S. Congressmen, including former Senator Bob Graham, who chaired the 2002 Joint Congressional Inquiry and authored its report, including the 28 pages, together with families of the 9/11 victims and the LaRouche movement in the United States, have long campaigned to have the 28 pages declassified. Now, following the 60 Minutes broadcast, the issue has exploded into a global media storm.

To end the cover-up—and thus to forestall future attacks—the 28 pages must be declassified, as every top U.S. Congressional leader from House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi to Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, to Speaker of the House (Republican) Paul Ryan and House Intelligence Committee Chairman (Republican) Devin Nunes has now demanded, as did the Editorial Board of the New York Times in a signed editorial on 22 April. In parallel, the British Serious Fraud Office (SFO) investigation of al-Yamamah, which then-PM Tony Blair shut down in 2006, must be re-opened.

What is known about both the 28 pages and al-Yamamah implicates high levels of the British Establishment not only in the cover-up, but in the actual 9/11 attack, and in ongoing international terrorism.

The al-Yamamah oil-for-arms deal is the UK’s biggest-ever arms contract, negotiated in 1985 between then-PM Margaret Thatcher and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the long-time Saudi ambassador to the USA and one of the Saudi Royals identified in the suppressed 28 pages. Under the deal, British defence contractor BAE Systems supplied fighter jets and infrastructure to the Saudi Air Force in exchange for 600,000 barrels of oil per day—one full oil tanker—for every day of the life of the contract, which as of 2005 had netted BAE Systems £43 billion. But beyond that £43 billion, al-Yamamah generated a secret US$100 billion-plus off-the-books slush fund, which was used to finance coups d’état, assassinations, and terrorism, including the creation of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, as Prince Bandar’s biographer recorded.


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Beyond the 28 pages, Senator Graham has also called for the declassification of hundreds of thousands of additional pages produced by his Joint Inquiry and the subsequent 9/11 Commission. Merely one such document, the 47-page “Document 17” of the 9/11 Commission, dated 6 June 2003 and only recently declassified, made clear that that Commission and Senator Graham’s Joint Inquiry had discovered strong links between 21 officials of the Saudi government and some of the 9/11 hijackers, links which were never fully pursued because of the cover-up.

https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/document-17.pdf
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2017, 12:12:22 pm »
related video: Prince Bandar's threats over investigation of secret BAE accounts  -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZS1DQmbbSQ
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2017, 06:29:42 am »
We also need an encyclopedia on these characters in the offical version and how they relate. For example there is no wikipedia entry on Osama Basnan. Trying to learn basic details is not simple.

Never been a wikipedia entry on Thumairy either, trying to search his name only brings you here...
Fahad al-Thumairy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Saudi_Arabia

I tried amassing important Basnan info here...

9-11 Commission - Protected Felons/Terrorists - Documents Show

Meet Osama Basnan and his wife

Two places to become familiar with what was released with the "28 pages"....

The declassified 28 pages from the report of the congressional Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11 can be read in their originally-released PDF format by clicking....
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf


Below, we’ve posted a full transcription of the 28 pages as a service to anyone who finds this format easier to read or work with. Dotted lines represent redactions, and they do not precisely reflect the length of a redaction or the number of words or characters within it.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2017, 09:28:02 am »
If we started for example a 28 pages wiki, is there anybody willing to devote time to it?
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« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2017, 05:43:35 am »
I guess the answer is probably not.
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« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2017, 08:59:27 pm »
If we started for example a 28 pages wiki, is there anybody willing to devote time to it?

I barely find time to post on PP. The hope is eventually these threads will provide more information than a wiki page. But it's not a bad idea.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2017, 09:03:08 pm »
Trump mentions 28 pages - and in 5 months they are declassified. Coincidence? I think not.


Welcome to the debates George! I think Trump's been expecting you!

Posted on February 17, 2016
Donald Trump on 9/11: "You Will Find Out Who Really Knocked Down The World Trade Center"

At a Wednesday morning campaign event in Bluffton, SC, Donald Trump takes his relitigation of the Bush administration's record on 9/11 and Iraq to the next level, seeming to imply that we don't currently know who "really" committed the 9/11 attacks.

Trump says if he is elected: "you will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center."

"It wasn't the Iraqis," he explained. "You may find it's the Saudis."

"They have papers in there that are very secret," he also said, referencing the 28 still-classified pages of the 9/11 commission report. "But you will find out."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/trump_you_will_find_out_who_really_knocked_down_the_world_trade_center_secret_papers_may_blame_saudis.html

5 months later the 28 pages were released. Well, some of the 28 pages were released. The still blacked out parts equal about 3 full pages, and mostly deal with American Intelligence "failures" particularly of the CIA.

John Brennan the current Director of the CIA and errand boy for Obama trying to get fools to believe Trumps victory was part of a Russian coup was never even considered by Trump to stay on. Brennan who was the top CIA operative in Saudi Arabia, before being appointed to chief of staff to CIA Director Tenet, before becoming deputy executive director of the CIA in March of 2001.

They had to declassify some of the 28 pages before the election on the slim chance that Trump would actually win and declassify the whole thing. He did win.
Trump-I hope he declassifies the remaining parts exposing the treasonous turds that helped their Saudi buddies. Payback is a bitch Brennan.

And Trump needs to declassify this interview as well......

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610777

History will eventually condemn these traitors. Don't let history show we let them get away with it. Put the mass murdering traitors on trial.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2017, 09:45:18 pm »
The 9/11 Commission was created, in part, to finish the work the congressional panel had begun,” they said in a joint statement.  - Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton, who were chairman and vice-chairman of the 9/11 commission

The 28 pages from 2002 were “based almost entirely on raw, unvetted material that had come to the FBI”, they added. “That material was then written up in FBI files as possible leads for further investigation. As of June 2003 none of these leads had been checked out.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/15/911-report-saudi-arabia-28-pages-released

A stunning admission...

As of June 2003 none of these leads had been checked out
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/15/911-report-saudi-arabia-28-pages-released

What?! Why not?

Because Bush, after halting Saudi leads- preferred investigators go on wild goose chases with outrageous lies like....

October 7, 2002
President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat
Remarks by the President on Iraq

"The threat comes from Iraq."

"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."

"Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."
 
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

"...without leaving any fingerprints." -> Like the ones Saudi Arabia left all over the place that he-Bush tried to hide in order to have a war in Iraq.
 
During the entire year of 2002 "none of these leads had been checked out"

Saudi Intelligence was not only all over the plot, they were part of carrying the plot out. The CIA clearly had an operation going on, obviously in collusion with Saudi Intelligence since the same hijackers the CIA were tracking and keeping secret from other U.S. Agencies, were the same hijackers Saudi Agents and diplomats along with Imams at Saudi funded Mosques were assisting once they made their way into America.

America--A country neither of the known al qaeda terrorists and future 9-11 hijackers had ever set foot in before. They are in a country they had never been before without being able to speak the language at all (In Mihdhar's case) and just barely knowing a few words (In Hazmi's case).

They had help. This was a well, thought out plan. A well thought out plan would not include Mihdhar and Hazmi Flying into Los Angeles California with no contacts and assistance to help them. What's funny, in a rather disgusting way is their plan and network had already been compromised before any hijacker arrived in America. Actually, the CIA was doing some pretty good work up until they allowed these first two hijackers into the country.  I'm sure Mihdhar was unaware that his house was under surveillance and phones monitored, as the house was a communications hub for the al qaeda network that the CIA and NSA had been aware of since 1998 thanks to the work of the FBI in it's investigation of the U.S. embassy bombings of Aug 1998 in Africa. In other words-the CIA was all over the plot-and the plotters before they ever set foot in America. And so were the Saudis. I find it interesting that Saudi and Pakistani intelligence asset Osama Bin Laden convinced KSM to keep Mihdhar in on the plot even though KSM wanted him (and possibly Hazmi) removed. So What Happened?

Treason!!

The following is the "very best case scenio"-I can come up with for Pres Bush - and it still makes him a mass murderer and a traitor.............

If Bush had nothing-zero-nadda- to do with the 9-11 attacks. Had absolutely no idea America would be attacked by anybody for anything. If he was 100% innocent....he is still guilty of interfering in a congressional investigation, protecting foreign spies who helped the hijackers, preventing investigation of suspects involved in the 9-11 attacks, and doing all this because he wants to have a war with Iraq-despite the fact that he knows the evidence is ALL Saudi Arabia /possibly some Israel but no Iraq evidence. How does he know? Because he's the one making it illegal to mention the Saudi evidence by classifying it all.

While Bush is saying things like....

"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade." - October 7, 2002

and the only time he mentions Saudi Arabia in this speech is.....

"Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles -- far enough to strike Saudi Arabia"  -October 7, 2002
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

Iraq was a threat to Saudi Arabia.....

"Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles -- far enough to strike Saudi Arabia"

But Iraq won't be after Bush sends thousands of Americans to their deaths. Their lives are not as valuable....

And Hussein was a threat to ....

Prince Bandar...

"He wanted us to knock off Saddam."

"Saddam had taken out a contract to have him killed. Also, Saddam had tried to assassinate his favorite U.S. President, George H. W. Bush, while he was visiting Kuwait after leaving office in April 1993. So the Prince couldn't wait for U.S. Bombs to fall." - Page 137 
https://books.google.com/books?id=UdIZhiQxGxEC&pg=PA137&dq=Indyk+remembered+a+different+Bandar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH94SOmqfRAhWqx4MKHWRRBvEQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Indyk%20remembered%20a%20different%20Bandar&f=false

While Bush was stopping any Investigation into his Saudi buddies and the CIA who were following his orders, the JI was conducting it's own investigation despite Bush's constant interferences...

FBI agent Steven Butler testifies in closed session of the JI

Several members were "appalled" at what informed sources described as the "explosive" testimony of Special Agent Steven Butler, who recently retired from the FBI after his final posting in the bureau's San Diego field office.

After Butler testified, Eleanor Hill, the staff director for the 9/11 committee, detailed his statements in a memo to the Justice Department. Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021201191949/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

I filed a MDR with the Justice Department to declassify this memo. They responded that they don't know anything about this memo. Erik Larson moderator at 911blogger tried a FOIA request on this memo and got the same result. I then contacted Eleanor Hill myself to tell her this and she said she can't tell me anything because it's all classified but then asked me if I had read Bob Grahams book "Intelligence Matters" and I said I had read it. She said he was very upset that this was being kept from the American people and she then told me that the Senate Intelligence Committee should have a copy of everything including that memo.

The 28 pages showed some of FBI agent Steven Butler's testimony. Butler was the handler for "Muppet" the FBI Informant Hazmi and Mihdhar stayed with...

From 28 pages:

Two former San Diego agents addressed the issue of whether al-Bayoumi was an intelligence officer at the October 9, 2002 closed hearing. The former case agent who handled Muppet testified:

[Al-Bayoumi] acted like a Saudi intelligence officer, in my opinion. And if he was involved with the hijackers, which it looks like he was, if he signed leases, if he provided some sort of financing or payment of some sort, then I would say that there’s a clear possibility that there might be a connection between Saudi intelligence and UBL.  - page 424
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf

UBL was always a Saudi Intelligence asset-along with being a Pakistani Intelligence asset.

At the time (2002) reports told us:

Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment. FBI officials also declined comment, saying they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner."
http://web.archive.org/web/20021201191949/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

Bush classified the truth so he could put out his BS....

"Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."
"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."
- Speech of Mass murderer and traitor Bush October 7, 2002
   https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
                             
And covered up this truth....
                                                                                 
I would say that there’s a clear possibility that there might be a connection between Saudi intelligence and UBL.  - Agent Steven Butler October 9, 2002
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf

The truth is classified while they initiated the cover-up and lies...

On October 9, members of the special congressional committee investigating the 9/11 attacks met privately with a key FBI witness.
Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment. FBI officials also declined comment, saying they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner."

http://web.archive.org/web/20021201191949/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

"they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner." -- FBI Nov 29, 2002

Bush stopped all investigation leads concerning Saudi Arabia/CIA

"As of June 2003 none of these leads had been checked out." --Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton, who were chairman and vice-chairman of the 9/11 commission 15 July 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/15/911-report-saudi-arabia-28-pages-released


9-11 commission interview with FBI Agent Steven Butler...

https://www.scribd.com/document/20300241/Mfr-Nara-t1a-FBI-FBI-Special-Agent-62-11-18-03-00455


The two big questions the Commission were to answer-Saudi and CIA involvement with the hijackers:

Saudi officials supported the Sept. 11, 2001 attackers, says a former member of the 9/11 commission.

“There was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government,” commission member John F. Lehman said in an interview with the Guardian.


He says at least five Saudi regime officials were strongly suspected of being involved in the al-Qaeda support network.

“Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia,” Lehman said, referring to the 9/11 commission’s 2004 final report that minimized the Saudi regime’s alleged role.
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/12/911_commission_bombshell_saudi_officials_supported_attackers_says_panel_member/

9/11 Commission Continued to Protect CIA

As for why the CIA not only failed to share pre-9/11 information on Al-Qaeda operatives but forbade the FBI agents in Alec Station from sharing it, Zelikow said, “We don’t know.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html

Maybe Bush knows. Since he was the one giving orders to the people who work at The George Bush Center for Intelligence.

The George Bush Center for Intelligence is the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_Center_for_Intelligence
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« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2017, 12:53:47 pm »
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This site indexes very well in google. If anyone wants to i have created.
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« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2017, 09:54:46 am »
'SAM STAR MART TEXACO' employee Mohdar Abdullah, whose given name is Al-Mohdar Mohamed Al-Mohdar Zeid was assigned the task of helping facilitate 9/11 hijack terrorists Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar after they arrived in Los Angels in January 2000 by Omar AlBayoumi. Mohdar Abdullah drove from San Diego to Los Angeles to pick up Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdharand returned with them to San Diego. Mohdar Abdullah a student from Yemen was working at Osama Sam Mustafa's 'SAM STAR MART TEXACO' gas station in La Mesa a suburb of San Diego

NBC News has learned that a renewed FBI investigation into 'SAM STAR MART TEXACO' employee Mohdar Abdullah was triggered, in part, by surveillance videotapes from inside the Los Angeles Airport shot in June 2000 — a year before 9/11. Law enforcement officials tell NBC the grainy tapes show terrorist Nawaf al-Hazmi with Mohdar Abdullah and an unidentified man. Sources say the men appear to be scouting out the airport.

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2017/01/new-fbi-report-indicates-sam-mustafa.html

"The checkout folio for Said Abdullah"  -  "employee Mohdar Abdullah whose given name is Al-Mohdar Mohamed Al-Mohdar Zeid"

note the similarity
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« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2017, 06:03:08 am »
I think the two muslims were working for Steven Butler. That is why they were resident for a time in an FBI safehouse. There was an active terrorist cell in san diego under continual investigation. This was possibly Osama Mustafas PLO cell. I presume this to be the reason they were recruited. Butler also said he had been tasked with monitoring Saudi money flows. Obviously people like Bayomi and Basnan were indeed recepients of Saudi money.
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« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2017, 06:54:20 pm »
There are two versions of how Mihdhar and Hazmi ended up in San Diego. The oft-heard one is that they were lured by Bayoumi’s description of the weather during their supposedly random restaurant encounter on Venice Boulevard in Los Angeles. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, told interrogators he chose to send the terrorists to San Diego after finding a copy of the San Diego phone directory at a Karachi, Pakistan, flea market.

Neither is very convincing
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« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2017, 06:56:23 pm »
Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been an unpaid FBI informant for six years in 2000, rented a room to Mihdhar for about a month and Hazmi for seven.

Fifteen years after 9/11, Mihdhar, Hazmi, and Shaikh are still the subject of discussion by Shaikh’s neighbors. Two of them are a couple who was sitting on the porch of their Lemon Grove home on the night of September 14, 2001, waiting for the FBI. It was almost 11 p.m. when four black SUVs arrived and began driving slowly up and down Mt. Vernon Street.

The couple had reported Shaikh, their next door neighbor, to the FBI after learning that he had boarded two of the 9/11 terrorists. They watched the parade of vehicles on the street for several minutes before the SUVs pulled into the 200-foot driveway that can be mistaken for a dead end street.

The couple had given the FBI its first big investigative lead, but agents were having trouble finding their home; a strange occurrence, given that Shaikh was, after all, an FBI informant
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« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2017, 01:20:08 pm »
Using database searches I have now found two tie-ins between McVeigh and Al Qaeda.
I now no longer believe it is a coincidence or a theory. McVeigh was an Al Qaeda attack.
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According to the FBI, Ercan is a San Diego subcontractor of Dallah/Avco. DallahAvco is a subsidiary of Al Barakaat Investment

Where was Ercan in San Diego...?

All I can find is Ercan Engineering in Newport Beach.  3345 Newport Blvd, Ste 203; Newport Beach, California
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« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2017, 04:57:33 pm »
Let put it another way, Is there anyone who would dispute that the Ercan they are talking about is Ercan Inc of Newport Beach, run by Magdi R Hanna.
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« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2017, 06:15:11 pm »
Listen at Shaikhs address - 8451 Mount Vernon, Lemon Grove - are people we have as yet to here anything from or about

A man named Jehanzeb R Afridi left the address in 2000, around the time the Jihadis were there.

Another man named Ramez T Noaman left the address in 2001 and completely vanished. Possibly moved abroad.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/ca/lemon-grove/m/mount-vernon/8451
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« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2017, 06:59:58 pm »
Another man named Ramez T Noaman left the address in 2001 and completely vanished. Possibly moved abroad.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/ca/lemon-grove/m/mount-vernon/8451

Noaman moved to Los Angeles in 2001. He bought the car insurance for Hazmi's car. Sam Mustafa owner of Sam's Texaco Star mart, where Hazmi was employed (illegally) actually was co-owner of several places. His partner was the husband of the Insurance Agent that Noaman bought the car insurance from. I can't recall exactly how I know this....

FBI interview with Noaman (Tells us nothing)......

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-01-FBI-FD302-ramez-tawfik-noaman2.pdf

He's a nobody IMO. He might have been one of the employees at Sams Texaco, which would probably make him anti-Israeli and pro -jihad-but I've seen nothing to indicate he was anything else.
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« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2017, 07:52:50 pm »
I think the two muslims were working for Steven Butler.

No -they weren't. Butler was used as a scapegoat. The DOJIG report slammed him for "not being aggressive enough" in getting info from his informant. The FBI was initially portrayed as the "scapegoat" when it was the CIA helping their Saudi partners in crime just as they have for the last 30 years. They were by law required to turn the information they had over to the FBI. They didn't - on purpose. Butler did ask about these two staying in Abusatter's house. And he also asked for their full names- his informant never gave them to him. The informant has several things to explain--like why was Mihdhar having his bank statements forwarded to his house before he supposedly ever met him? (Statements forwarded in Feb - Mihdhar moved in supposedly in May) There are several things the informant needs to explain, not Butler.
I can't say how I know this in a public forum --but I do know that Butler is no fan of the Neocons and thinks the Iraq war was a load of BS, among other things. Butler gained nothing from 9-11 and retired shortly after his testimony  which contradicted what Bush was saying in public and exposed how investigations were not being done, which didn't make him "a prospect for advancement" and basically ended his career. And of course it was all classified until a little just came out recently with the 28 pages partial release in July 2016.
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« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2017, 08:45:35 pm »
Noaman moved to Los Angeles in 2001. He bought the car insurance for Hazmi's car. Sam Mustafa owner of Sam's Texaco Star mart, where Hazmi was employed (illegally) actually was co-owner of several places. His partner was the husband of the Insurance Agent that Noaman bought the car insurance from. I can't recall exactly how I know this....

FBI interview with Noaman (Tells us nothing)......

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-01-FBI-FD302-ramez-tawfik-noaman2.pdf

He's a nobody IMO. He might have been one of the employees at Sams Texaco, which would probably make him anti-Israeli and pro -jihad-but I've seen nothing to indicate he was anything else.

Weird that its censored. His email address was [email protected] Im not sure what that means but Mry-Imn is a hieroglyph translation meaning "beloved of Amun" and is often associated with pharaoh Ramses. Given that his name is Ramez, it is an interesting email to choose.
I see he appears in 2000 Peace Week Festival Unites World Cultures "International Peace Village was part of San Diego State University’s second annual World Peace Week, held to demonstrate how people around the world can put away their differences and respect each other. Information and Decision Systems junior Ramez Noaman, who represented Eritrea, Africa, said he finally understood the political conflict between North and South Korea" - http://www.thedailyaztec.com/19727/daily-aztec-stories/peace-week-festival-unites-world-cultures/
Amusing, really.
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« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2017, 08:57:09 pm »
No -they weren't. Butler was used as a scapegoat. The DOJIG report slammed him for "not being aggressive enough" in getting info from his informant. The FBI was initially portrayed as the "scapegoat" when it was the CIA helping their Saudi partners in crime just as they have for the last 30 years. They were by law required to turn the information they had over to the FBI. They didn't - on purpose. Butler did ask about these two staying in Abusatter's house. And he also asked for their full names- his informant never gave them to him. The informant has several things to explain--like why was Mihdhar having his bank statements forwarded to his house before he supposedly ever met him? (Statements forwarded in Feb - Mihdhar moved in supposedly in May) There are several things the informant needs to explain, not Butler.
I can't say how I know this in a public forum --but I do know that Butler is no fan of the Neocons and thinks the Iraq war was a load of BS, among other things. Butler gained nothing from 9-11 and retired shortly after his testimony  which contradicted what Bush was saying in public and exposed how investigations were not being done, which didn't make him "a prospect for advancement" and basically ended his career. And of course it was all classified until a little just came out recently with the 28 pages partial release in July 2016.

Thats very interesting. But 1. I simply dont believe the CIA didnt tell anyone. and 2. His views on the neocons really dont matter.
I am getting a little tired of FBI agents blaming the CIA. It seems like a coordinated FBI media campaign to shift the blame to CIA.
The reason I dont believe the IG report is I read one of the FBI agents say they didnt have the necessary security clearance to get the whole story.
It seems to me If CIA had failed to inform every other agency of what they knew about these muslims, there would be hell to pay. Tenet would not be getting medals. Something fishy about the story. And we never get to here from CIA agents about it. That way the story never gets resolved one way or the other.
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« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2017, 09:12:24 pm »
An interesting early version of the Bayoumi story here

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Among the people who helped the San Diego hijackers, the one who seems to have done the most is Al-Bayoumi, the business student who orchestrated the welcoming party.

Exactly how Al-Bayoumi knew Alhazmi and Almihdhar remains obscure, but one San Diego source with strong ties to local Muslims said that Al-Bayoumi drove to Los Angeles late in 1999 to meet the two young men and "brought them down physically in his car."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/12/29/hijackers-found-welcome-mat-on-west-coast/0a5fd968-1b4d-416f-bef3-41c352d01bc7/?utm_term=.12e1fff5474e
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« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2017, 09:24:41 pm »
Information and Decision Systems junior Ramez Noaman, who represented Eritrea, Africa, said he finally understood the political conflict between North and South Korea" - http://www.thedailyaztec.com/19727/daily-aztec-stories/peace-week-festival-unites-world-cultures/
Amusing, really.

I didn't know that.

from 28 pages:

Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash. FBI information indicates that Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Laden, and has been connected to the Eritrean Islamic Jihad and the Blind Shaykh;
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

JI:
The FBI did not investigate Bassnan before September 11, but had been made aware of him on several occasions. In May 1992, the State Department provided the FBI with a box of documents recovered from an abandoned car. The documents were in Arabic, and one, a newsletter to supporters of the Eritrean Islamic Jihad (EIJ) Movement, provided updates on the EIJ’s council and was marked “confidential.” The box contained letters addressed to Bassnan
https://books.google.com/books?id=sxL409cwDd4C&pg=PA176&lpg=PA176&dq=The+FBI+did+not+investigate+Bassnan+before+September+11,+but+had+been+made+aware+of+him+on+several+occasions.+In+May+1992,+the+State+Department+provided+the+FBI+with+a+box+of+documents+recovered+from+an+abandoned+car.+The+documents+were+in+Arabic,+and+one,+a+newsletter+to+supporters+of+the+Eritrean+Islamic+Jihad+(EIJ)+Movement,+provided+updates+on+the+EIJ+council+and+was+marked+%E2%80%9Cconfidential.%E2%80%9D+The+box+contained+letters+addressed+to+Bassnan&source=bl&ots=FH9GMVTVAz&sig=nX2YImFyveOLxFdOBpo-HYAXWVk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwic_NH5krnRAhWn64MKHXzMBOIQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=The%20FBI%20did%20not%20investigate%20Bassnan%20before%20September%2011%2C%20but%20had%20been%20made%20aware%20of%20him%20on%20several%20occasions.%20In%20May%201992%2C%20the%20State%20Department%20provided%20the%20FBI%20with%20a%20box%20of%20documents%20recovered%20from%20an%20abandoned%20car.%20The%20documents%20were%20in%20Arabic%2C%20and%20one%2C%20a%20newsletter%20to%20supporters%20of%20the%20Eritrean%20Islamic%20Jihad%20(EIJ)%20Movement%2C%20provided%20updates%20on%20the%20EIJ%20council%20and%20was%20marked%20%E2%80%9Cconfidential.%E2%80%9D%20The%20box%20contained%20letters%20addressed%20to%20Bassnan&f=false

Thats very interesting. But 1. I simply dont believe the CIA didnt tell anyone.

Well, you can believe anything. But the CIA not only didn't tell anyone-they admit it-and then lie about why.

2. His views on the neocons really dont matter.

They do if you realize how badly they wanted a war with Iraq and why.

I am getting a little tired of FBI agents blaming the CIA. It seems like a coordinated FBI media campaign to shift the blame to CIA.

Because the CIA was working with Saudi Intelligence and not the FBI. They deserve to be blamed. And to be honest I don't blame the agents-I blame the one they are taking orders from Tenet-who is taking them from Bush

The reason I dont believe the IG report is I read one of the FBI agents say they didnt have the necessary security clearance to get the whole story.

Nonsense.

It seems to me If CIA had failed to inform every other agency of what they knew about these muslims, there would be hell to pay. Tenet would not be getting medals. Something fishy about the story.

Yea, well, that's why 9-11 truth happened. Tenet got the highest award he could get after committing perjury at the Joint Inquiry hearings and the 9-11 commission hearings. He protected Bush. He is also a millionaire after 9-11 just like Bandar's new lawyer who was head of the FBI Louis Freeh. They made out pretty good. And the "unpaid" informant got a $100,000 check after refusing to testify at the joint inquiry and not passing a polygraph.

And we never get to here from CIA agents about it. That way the story never gets resolved one way or the other.

CIA head at JI Hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF38P58-rdo

CIA head at 9-11 Commission hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIo33eVSKg

The CYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeKobTfprik
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2017, 06:35:51 am »
Bernazzani and Rossini are good friends and have known each other for many years. Bernazzani became Rossini’s boss when he transferred to the Counterterrorism Center in Langley, Virginia, after the attacks. In a telephone interview from New Orleans, Bernazzani recounted how he learned of Miller’s memo in 2002 when a troubled Rossini walked into his office. According to the Office of the Inspector General report, when questioned, Rossini and Miller had no recollection of Miller’s unsent memo and also claimed they did not remember that Mihdhar was the subject of the memo. Rossini said the CIA’s strict confidentiality rules forced him to lie, and he knew that the information about Mihdhar had been obtained through covert means.

“I had been told by individuals I worked with at the CIA not to say anything. ‘The people you’re going to speak with don’t have clearance to know what we do here,’ I was told. It’s a very sensitive subject. I had no protection. I was not allowed a lawyer and was not given assurance that anything I said would not be used against me. There was also a CIA minder taking notes,” said Rossini.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/sep/07/cover-911-could-have-been-stopped-san-diego/?page=2

This guy admits he lied to the inspector general office here. Again claims CIA made him. Since when do FBI guys take orders from CIA. So which part is the nonsense part. These people cant get their story straight in my opinion.

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CIA head at JI Hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF38P58-rdo

This conversation is utter bullsht. Ought to make you wonder whether you are getting the true story here. At least thats what i think. CIA was closely monitoring people who attended Millennium summit, what happened with one memo is a distraction.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2017, 06:44:21 am »
I didn't know that.

from 28 pages:

Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash. FBI information indicates that Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Laden, and has been connected to the Eritrean Islamic Jihad and the Blind Shaykh;
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

JI:
The FBI did not investigate Bassnan before September 11, but had been made aware of him on several occasions. In May 1992, the State Department provided the FBI with a box of documents recovered from an abandoned car. The documents were in Arabic, and one, a newsletter to supporters of the Eritrean Islamic Jihad (EIJ) Movement, provided updates on the EIJ’s council and was marked “confidential.” The box contained letters addressed to Bassnan


This guy has words which I associate with Egypt, but is reported to be a mid 20s Yemeni. However he represented Eritrea and his family are at least in part Korean. Definitely an enigma. Almost everyone who lived in Shaikhs house seems to have known the terrorists and had their name on car insurance policies of the terrorists. How the hell does Shaikh find these people. I predict that whatever the answer is it will involve blaming the CIA.
I want to understand better how Shaikh was paid for his services. I read that he received no payments from the FBI which is very confusing to me.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2017, 06:53:58 am »
Late 1998: FBI Asks NSA to Pass on All Calls between Al-Qaeda Yemen Hub and US

The FBI asks the NSA to pass on all calls between an al-Qaeda communications hub in Yemen and the US. The hub, which is run by an operative named Ahmed al-Hada and was involved in the attacks on US embassies in East Africa, is a key al-Qaeda logistics center and intelligence gleaned from listening in on calls to and from it will help prevent some attacks. Dan Coleman, one of the FBI agents who places the request, will say, “anyone who called the Yemen number is white-hot, a top suspect.” However, the NSA will not inform the FBI of all calls between the hub and the US. In particular, two 9/11 hijackers will call the hub while they are in the US. However, the information will be withheld from the FBI and various explanations will be offered for this failure

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=alate98fbiorderyemen#alate98fbiorderyemen

So here we have exactly the same story only this time the NSA are the bad guys. What happened, did they fail to send a memo one time? CIA/NSA did not block the FBI from investigating the 1998 Embassy bombings which was connected to the Yemen safehouse associated with Midhar. FBI could have determined on their own in 1998 that Khalid al-midhar was suspicious for all we know.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2017, 12:09:40 pm »
As Magdi Hanna's name is on the Finnlist we can take it that the DallahAvco money went via his company Ercan Inc to Omar al-Bayoumi.

Ercan Inca was registered at 3345 Newport Blvd. Newport Beach, CA 92663

i.e. Newport Beach Los Angeles, not in San Diego itself. Any San Diego address remains a mystery.

The Kurdish mosque Bayoumi was installed at was built for the Kurdish Community Islamic Centre which had been created only a year previously. They were registered at 1357 Broadway El Cajon, CA 92021, an address which has only one other corporate registry that i could find. The men who registered the other business have friends in LA.

I was wondering are Magdi r Hanna and Magdy F Hanna, both of Newport beach, the same person? It would solve a few problems if they were. They are both of a similar age, both involved in building apartment complexes around California. Yet seem separate people.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2017, 04:38:33 pm »
Osama Basnan must have been close to the Saudi embassy in Washington. Basnan lived out there for many years and money was sent to his wife but apparently only at his instigation not hers. His wife and him lived at the same apartment complex where the terrorists went to live. Again if they were Saudi agents that address may have been tied to Saudi agents in some fashion.
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