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The suspicious actions of Bush Rumsfeld & Rice on 9/11
« on: October 13, 2009, 06:12:48 pm »
Abdul Murad was arrested in Jan of 1995 by Philippine police. As this document shows he was interviewed by FBI agents on 4/13/95. No doubt he had already been visited by CIA officials. Where was he between Jan and April?......

"Abdul Hakim Murad's home for the following three months was a small and cramped cell inside philippine National Police Intelligence Command headquarters in Camp Crame. Murad was tortured for weeks as counterintelligence agents beat him with chairs and long pieces of wood. Water was forced into his mouth and lit cigarettes were extinguished on his genitals." Page 114

As you can see, the FBI isn't interested in sharing what he told them.

But the people who arrested him called a press conference when 9/11 happened to tell what the FBI wont.....

© 2001 The Washington Post Company
Aida Fariscal had gone to bed early on September 11, only to be awakened by a frantic colleague. "Quick," he instructed, "turn on your television."

The footage of the hijacked airliner bursting into flame made Fariscal bolt upright. "Oh my God," she gasped. "Bojinka."

Sometimes weeks went by without her even thinking about the terrorist plot she had foiled so long ago. But there it was, after all this time, unfolding live on her small-screen television. "I thought, at first," she tells me, "that I was having a bad dream, or that I was watching a movie." But as the burning towers came crashing down under their own weight, disbelief turned to anger. "I still don't understand," she says over a club sandwich, "how it could have been allowed to happen."

She is bitter that the Americans apparently didn't take the foiled plot seriously enough.

....All those years in flight school, he confessed, had been in preparation for a suicide mission. He was to buy, rent, or steal -- that part of the plan had not yet been worked out -- a small plane, preferably a Cessna, fill it with explosives and crash it into CIA headquarters.

There were secondary targets the terrorist cell wanted hit: Congress, the White House, the Pentagon and possibly some skyscrapers. The only problem, Murad complained, was that they needed more trained pilots to carry out the plot.

"The FBI knew all about Yousef's plans," she says. "They'd seen the files, been inside 603. The CIA had access to everything, too. Look," she adds, fishing in a plastic shopping bag for one of her most prized possessions, a laminated certificate of merit bearing the seal of the Central Intelligence Agency.

"This should have never, ever been allowed to happen," she repeats angrily. "All those poor people dead."

In her outrage at the biggest U.S. intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor, Fariscal is not alone in the Manila law enforcement community. Gen. Avelino "Sonny" Razon, one of the lead investigators in the Bojinka case, was so shocked at what he saw on September 11 that he jumped on a plane in Cebu, where he was now police chief, and flew to Manila to convene a hasty press conference. "We told the Americans about the plans to turn planes into flying bombs as far back as 1995," he complained to reporters. "Why didn't they pay attention?"

To be fair, it wasn't hijacked Airliners, but planes with explosives that were the plot 6 years before 9/11...........

"Though nothing in Murad's confession gave investigators any warning of hijackings, somewhere along the line, his brothers at arms in al Qaeda did make the intellectual leap from explosives to jet fuel and box cutters."

But it was a plot to fly planes into buildings. Buildings like the WTC, and Pentagon and CIA.

Another capture later, unveils more..........

Al-‘Owhali and Others Contact Yemen Telephone
On or about August 8, 1998, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim,"
contacted Yemen Telephone One from a pay telephone in Nairobi,
Kenya, twice;

On or about August 9, 1998, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim,"
contacted Yemen Telephone One from a pay telephone in Nairobi,
Kenya, twice;

It goes on and on about this Yemeni telephone contact. This from the trial going on in 2001 concerning the African Embassy bombings.

You see this is the telephone number of one of the hijackers of 9/11, Khalid Almihdhar. It's one of the main communication hubs and was being monitored by the NSA and CIA. They knew about this hijacker and his contacts, well before 9/11 and before he even came into the U.S.

The hub uses the telephone line of Ahmed al-Hada, who lives in Sana’a, Yemen.

The hub is run by an al-Qaeda veteran named Ahmed al-Hada, who is helped by his son Samir and is related to many other al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen and elsewhere. He is also the father in law of 9/11 hijacker Khalid Almihdhar, whose wife, Hoda al-Hada , lives at the hub with their children.

Also living in the house was Hada's daughter, Hoda, along with her husband, Khalid al-Mihdhar.

Late December 1999, Mihdhar was at the ops center when he received the phone call he had been waiting for. He and Hazmi were instructed to leave in a few days for Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where their final, fatal mission to the U.S. would begin.

Also around this time is when the CIA also were monitoring Atta and the rest of the hamburg cell.....

HAMBURG, Germany _ Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 hijackings, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency began persistent efforts to recruit as an informer a Syrian-born Hamburg businessman with links to al-Qaida and the key hijackers, the Chicago Tribune has learned.

The CIA's attempts to enlist Mamoun Darkazanli were initiated in late 1999, at a time when three of the four Hamburg students who would later pilot the hijacked planes were first learning of the hijacking plot at an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan.

In December 1999 the CIA representative in Hamburg, posing as an American diplomat attached to the U.S. Consulate, appeared at the headquarters of the Hamburg state domestic intelligence agency, the LFV, that is responsible for tracking terrorists and domestic extremists.

According to a source with firsthand knowledge of the events, the CIA representative told his local counterparts that his agency believed Darkazanli had knowledge of an unspecified terrorist plot and could be "turned" against his al-Qaida comrades.
"He said, `Darkazanli knows a lot,' " the source recalled.

It can be traced back to March of 1999 when the CIA first knew of the German cell.....

"Hamburg - The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had one of the September 11, 2001 terror pilots under surveillance as early as March 1999 after a tip from German security services, according to joint investigative reports in Germany.

The reports said the CIA had detailed information about Marwan Alshehhi, and the fact that he was from the United Arab Emirates and studying in Germany.

The CIA had his cellphone number and knew that he was in contact with Haydar, whom the Americans had suspected of being al-Qaeda's contact man in Germany.",,2-10-1462_1401481,00.html

Did the 9/11 commission know of this stuff? Of course they did.....

"In March 1999, German intelligence officials gave the Central Intelligence Agency the first name and telephone number of Marwan al-Shehhi, and asked the Americans to track him.

"The Hamburg cell is very important" to the investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Zelikow said. The intelligence on Mr. Shehhi "is an issue that's obviously of importance to us, and we're investigating it," he added.

Asked whether American intelligence officials gave sufficient attention to the information about Mr. Shehhi, Mr. Zelikow said, "We haven't reached any conclusions."

And yet the 9/11 commission report tells us on page 168.....Shehhi obtained his visa on January 18, 2000.
page 168

The CIA were already aware of his contacts with Muslim extrememist at this point, and were even told to track him by their counterparts in Germany.

You see, the others are also already being monitored in December of 1999 and this proves it.....

Once in Kuala Lumpur, the Al Qaeda operatives were photographed -- at the CIA's request -- by Malaysian authorities at a series of meetings.

The men were followed at the request of the CIA. The Americans had intercepted a telephone call to Yemen in which Almihdhar detailed arrangements for the trip. The Americans didn't know Almihdhar, but they knew the number he called was used as a dispatch center for Al Qaeda. Bin Laden had called it dozens of times over a period of years in the late 1990s, according to court records....

The meeting occurred in early January 2000, just after a series of planned Al Qaeda millennium attacks failed. Intelligence officials believe the men met to discuss new attacks: the Cole and, given the timing, Sept. 11.

On Jan. 8, the men left Kuala Lumpur.

On Jan. 15, Almihdhar and Alhazmi arrived in Los Angeles

The CIA admits that it did not inform the bureau that after the Malaysia meetings ended, it tracked Almidhar and Alhazmi to Los Angeles. The CIA further admits that it failed to warn the INS or the State Department, and as a result, the men's names were not added to a terrorist watch list.

By March the NSA had been eavesdropping on their calls for months without passing on their location. They were living in the home of an FBI informant." Page 25-26

The attack can be stopped. But why stop it? It could be helpfull to certain entities.

In September of 2000 this report endorsed by many members of the incoming Bush Administration and by others with close ties to the soon to be incoming Administration was written. It endorses the idea of American Imperialism and a stronger Military Industrial Complex.....

A Report of
The Project for the New American Century
September 2000

In particular, the Army should:
elements of U.S. Army Europe should be redeployed to Southeast Europe,
while a permanent unit should be based in the Persian Gulf region;
page 35/90

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. page 63/90

Just after the 9/11 attacks the DoD released this report....

Defense Review

September 30, 2001

"The Quadrennial Defense Review and the accompanying report were
largely completed before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on the
United States. In important ways, these attacks confirm the strategic
direction and planning principles that resulted from this review,
particularly its emphasis on homeland defense, on surprise, on preparing
for asymmetric threats, on the need to develop new concepts of
deterrence, on the need for a capabilities-based strategy, and on the need
to balance deliberately the different dimensions of risk. However, the
attack on the United States on September 11, 2001 will require us to move
forward more rapidly in these directions, even while we are engaged in
the war against terrorism."

Remember PNAC?

September 2000
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." page 63/90

They will get what they wanted...

September 30, 2001
"Transforming America's defense for the 21st century will require a longstanding commitment from our country and its leaders." page 6/79

Look what they've gotten away with....

"You hate to admit it, but we hadn't thought about this." - Richard Myers Joint Chief of staff

"Five months before Sept. 11, 2001, an air defense planner proposed an exercise scenario in which military officials would have to deal with foreign terrorists who were threatening to crash a hijacked foreign commercial plane into the Pentagon, according to a North American Aerospace Defense Command spokesman.
But the scenario was rejected......
The employee, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, wrote that Joint Staff action officers rejected the idea as too unrealistic........
We believe the 9/11 Commission should ask the Joint Chiefs why they prevented NORAD from training to respond to the possibility that terrorists might hijack commercial airliners and use them as missiles, he said in a statement."

RICE: I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.

“The overwhelming bulk of the evidence was that this was an attack that was likely to take place overseas.”-- C Rice

Title of Aug 6 Memo Given to President Bush "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

More lies.....The motive.....
We were attacked because they hate our freedom. No. It's because of Government interference. This is really insulting to our intelligence.

These guys made videos telling why they want to attack the U.S. and they all said the same thing. Because of our military presence in Arab countries and unwavering support for Israel, and Bush is going to prevent any type of real debate on real issues on what the Government engages in and instead  keep things simple and stupid. "They hate my freedom". What an asshole.

How did Bush know a commercial plane hit the WTC before he even stepped into the classroom? None of us knew it was a commercial jet. The second plane hit at around 9:05. All the way up to that point the news networks were trying to figure out what hit the first tower. You can see yourself that they are all speculating, no one knows for sure what hit.......

NBC "We're being told it was a small commuter plane"

CBS  .....but still no one knows what kind of plane hit, this after 9am

ABC  Still speculating as the second plane hit. They didn't know a commercial plane hit.

FOX news at around 9 AM..."there is a report on a New York channel that it was a jet perhaps a 737"

CNN...What kind of plane? 8:51AM  a passenger jet perhaps a 737.

CNN and FOX both are closest to getting it right. But nothing is for sure. Nothing confirmed from officials. So how did Bush know it was a commercial Airliner? He did know.......

"Tose'-Rigell, 50, says she first knew something was amiss when Bush emerged from his car and was whisked into a special holding room to take a telephone call. Then she was summoned to the room to talk to the president."

"He said a commercial plane has hit the World Trade Center, and we're going to go ahead and go on, we're going on to do the reading thing anyway," Tose'-Rigell recalls. "At that point my summation was they wanted him to know about this because it was important, but it couldn't be anything huge."

This is very important. We know how he found out it was a commercial plane. Because Condi Rice told him. The telephone call referenced here was from Condi Rice. So now the Question is. How did she know? She is the National Security Adviser. But also, why does he lie about it? When asked later he makes up weird stories like this......

In answer to a question from an eight-year-old in Florida, he said his first thought was: "There's one terrible pilot."
This is not considered his finest hour, and the latest comment seems to be further evidence about the sluggishness of his immediate response.
"I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on - and I used to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.'"
The story that he was watching TV contradicts reports from correspondents at the time that he got the news in a phone call from his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice.

One reason would be so we could all laugh and point out what a goofball he is. It would be better than what I'm about to do.

Condi Rice was National Security Adviser. If terrorist acts are taking place she is to be informed. The FAA and NORAD were informed of hijackings and the taking over of the planes well before they even hit the towers. When did they tell her? Her amazing answer is......never.

8:28 a.m.: The FAA's Boston Center calls FAA Command Center in Herndon, Virginia, and reports that American 11 has been hijacked.

8:37 a.m.: Boston Center informs NORAD of American 11's hijacking. It is the first notice the military receives of the unfolding events.

8:46 a.m.: In response to American 11's hijacking, Otis Air Force Base receives an order to scramble F-15s. Military officials ask for a destination for the fighter planes. None is known. At the same time of the order, American 11 crashes into the World Trade Center North Tower

Rice found out the plane that crashed into the tower was a commercial Airliner just as it happened. They didn't get this info from the news. That means it came from another source. The official channels. The official channels were aware of this hijacking due to the flight attendants calling from the plane.

At 8:45 was when the plane hit. There was no news coverage, it just happened.

"Her Secretary appeared at the door at 8:45 am to say that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. What a strange accident. Condi thought. She called President Bush, who was in Florida speaking about his education agenda, and gave him the news. "What a weird accident," he said. Page 193

another book.....
"Condi's executive assistant approached her and told her that a jet airliner had crashed into one of the two towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. Condi's first impression was that it was an accident, and she asked the reporting aide to keep her posted on how many casualties there were and any other relative information. She then called the President who was in Florida. After that she went to a staff meeting. In the middle of the meeting, Condi's executive assistant approached her again with a note that said that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center. That's when she knew it was a terrorist attack." page 472

Confirmed again she's told it's a commercial airliner, from Condi herself...
"I got the first call standing by my desk getting ready to go to an educational event. When the first plane hit the World Trade Center, my assistant came in and said a plane has hit the World Trade Center, and I said what a strange accident. At first I thought it might even have been a small plane, but then he said, "no, it's a commercial plane.",1518,587744,00.html

This is how authorities knew it was a hijacking, and no accident....

I'm the Operations Specialist on duty at the time and
I would say at approximately 8:20, one of our
employees received a phone call from, from a flight
attendant on one of our flights. She answered the
call through our International Resolution Desk who in
turn hit the emergency button and at that time I
started listening on a call. The flight attendant's
name was BETTY ONG and she was relaying to us what
was happening on the aircraft.

AIRPHONE call from flight 11.....

Sweeny: "The plane has been hijacked ... flight attendant
number 5 from business class and flight attendant number 1 from first
class have both been stabbed ... a hijacker also cut the throat of a
business class passenger and he appears to be dead ... the hijackers
(four total) were all of middle eastern descent ... three were sitting
in business class ... one spoke English very well." Sweeny then
provided seat numbers 9B, 10C, 9G, and 9E as those being used by the
four hijackers.

When Rice and Bush knew it was a commercial Airliner, the only other people that knew were the authorities who were notified because it was a hijacking. When it got up to Rice it was suddenly "an accident". This assured that both towers would be hit. Shoot down orders can only be authorized by the President and Secretary of Defense.

So what was the Secretary of Defense doing? As hard to believe as this's even worse. At least Condi Rice has the brains to say when the second tower was hit that's when by golly it clicked that maybe we were under attack.....

In the middle of the meeting, Condi's executive assistant approached her again with a note that said that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center. That's when she knew it was a terrorist attack." page 472

But Rumsfelds' story is....he didn't know anything about any terrorist attacks until after the pentagon was hit.
From the 9/11 commission itself....
8:19 Flight attendant notifies AA of hijacking
8:25 Boston Center aware of hijacking
8:38 Boston Center notifies NEADS of hijacking
8:46 NEADS scrambles Otis fighter jets in search of AA 11
8:46:40 AA 11 crashes into 1 WTC (North Tower)

On the morning of September 11, Secretary Rumsfeld was having breakfast at the Pentagon with a group of members of Congress. He then returned to his office for his daily intelligence briefing. The Secretary was informed of the second strike in New York during the briefing; he resumed the briefing while awaiting more information. After the Pentagon was struck, Secretary Rumsfeld went to the parking lot to assist with rescue efforts.

So an hour and 20 minutes after the flight attendants notify AA Rumsfeld still has no idea of the terrorist attacks taking place. He just thinks these are weird accidents? This is hard to believe.

No order to shoot down aircraft was authorized until 9/11 was over according to Rumsfelds' own testimony....questioned about shoot down orders on 9/11.....

Sawyer:"This is the question: Was that authorization given before Flight 77 hit the Pentagon? Was it an authorization for that plane specifically? And also, would it have been in effect for Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania?
Rumsfeld: I should add that in no instance was -- I guess the correct answer to your question is no."

Remember Cheney and the question the orders still stand?

He thinks he spoke to the president but gosh he just can't recall for sure, and certainly doesn't remember anything they talked about if they did talk, and he's not denying or confirming it, he just doesn't know.

"Upon my return from the crash site and before going to the Executive Support Center (ESC), I had one or more calls in my office, one of which I believe was with the President."

No one was shooting down any planes on 9/11, unless it was done without authorization. I'm not sure what to think of flight 93 shot down or not but.......

The 9/11 Commission states: "Prior to 9/11, it was understood that an order to shoot down a commercial aircraft would have to be issued by the National Command Authority (a phrase used to describe the president and secretary of defense)." From The 9/11 Commission Report, p. 17.

And even though the FAA and NORAD were already aware of hijackings according to Rumsfeld he was still in the dark even when the pentagon was hit.....

When Flight 77 hit, the defense secretary thought it was a bomb.
"I had no idea," Rumsfeld said on ABC's This Week.

King: It was a jarring thing. And you ran toward the smoke?
Rumsfeld: Uh huh.
King: Because?
Rumsfeld: Goodness. Who knows? I wanted to see what had happened.

And the President was busy listening to a story of a pet goat.

Both Towers and pentagon hit- Mission accomplished 3 out of 4 aint bad

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Re: The suspicious actions of Bush Rumsfeld & Rice on 9/11
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2016, 10:26:39 am »
CNN Larry King Live Rumsfeld Interview Dec 2001 (aired 2002)

[NOTE: Rumsfeld recalls saying this at the Pentagon on the morning of 911] "I had said at an eight o'clock breakfast that sometime in the next two, four, six, eight, 10, 12 months, there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be sufficiently shocking that it would remind people again how important it is to have a strong, healthy Defense Department that contributes to -- that underpins peace and stability in our world."
Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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Re: The suspicious actions of Bush Rumsfeld & Rice on 9/11
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2016, 11:14:10 am »
And dont forget  suckers Osama bin Laden on his laptop in  a cave somewhere that no one has a clue is blah blah blah . And Rice IS is an evil witch aswell