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The only way we can guarantee the safety of the elite is if we carefully kill off 80-99.99% of the world's population so that they have enough riches to forever reign on Earth in splendor and glory.   ;D

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« Reply #161 on: August 29, 2010, 06:53:52 pm »
I'm sorry all the fallacious arguments you people continually use to vainly attempt to justify your deliberate ignorance of the obvious and incontrovertibly true problems of population growth and resource limitations are EPIC FAILS!

THis planet simply cannot continue to sustain the rates of growth in human population and consumption that these neocon "corporate econo-NAZIS" continue to try to keep the world banking upon. What you guys are vainly defending are a bunch of ignorant corporate lies, meant purely only to fish in suckers and lead us into yet another tragic world war or other mass die-off.

All one has to do is to perform simple arithmetic on population vs the world's fresh water supplies.

We are already bound to witness a seriously catastrophic global Potable Water Crisis in a time very, very short now.

And BTW, nobody will be "discovering" any new water. Population growth rates must descend to 0% or below by some means certain wether we like it or not.

One cannot simply continue driving along blindly at 150mph hoping vainly that somehow "Maybe the road will not end".

Malthus may have been wrong a two hundred years ago, so was King George, for a while, until 1913/1948....

The only way we can guarantee the safety of the elite is if we carefully kill off 80-99.99% of the world's population so that they have enough riches to forever reign on Earth in splendor and glory.   ;D

and that my friend, is the REAL ISSUE and false "solution" that we must all never, ever countenance nor allow!

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Re: Gullibly Falling for the Eugenicists MYTH of Over Population
« Reply #162 on: August 29, 2010, 06:58:39 pm »
Possible solution:

How about we convert all we turn all the useless eaters into Soylent Green for the cannibalistic rich elite? Then we can stop fake manmade global warming too, as none of us will be exhaling. Two faux birds in one stone!

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Reductions (shrinkage) of birth rate growth near to or way below replacement level (0%) have nothing whatsoever to do with killing anyone. If a couple had the Red Chinese extreme of 1 child that is a -50% population growth rate

If the elite allowed second- and third-world nations to develop like more industrialized nations, that would happen naturally.

At any rate, there's always space.

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I'll  buy into the water shortage when we have no more half acre lawns at every morons house and swimming pools are no longer pissed in.

 What I'm saying is where the rubber meets the road the average american automaton is consuming way more than is needed and the alarmists seem to encourage that or at least don't care. What is even in greater supply is propaganda. All these shortages or controlled substances like oil and food are contrived shortages. There are starving people in US and more in other countries but it is contrived in every instance except maybe wheat in Russia this year. When the bullshit stops maybe the tall tales of Al Gore and other will grow leg and stand up to scrutiny until then:
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Reductions (shrinkage) of birth rate growth near to or way below replacement level (0%) have nothing whatsoever to do with killing anyone. If a couple had the Red Chinese extreme of 1 child that is a -50% population growth rate

Did you forget it was the eugenicists that conned China into having a one child policy in the first place?
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If the elite allowed second- and third-world nations to develop like more industrialized nations, that would happen naturally.

At any rate, there's always space.

Do you mean space as in out there or down here? Cus space travel is limited by nutritional factors and some of the space here is limited due to environmental factors. I think culling reproduction to 0% would be a silly move, but if it were reduced somewhat it may give us more time to work on those limitations..

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Do you mean space as in out there or down here? Cus space travel is limited by nutritional factors and some of the space here is limited due to environmental factors. I think culling reproduction to 0% would be a silly move, but if it were reduced somewhat it may give us more time to work on those limitations..

I originally meant the idea of "outer space," but ironically, both are true. There are limits, but I don't think we will ever reach them in either case.

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I dont think we will reach them in our lifetimes, but it is a little uncaring of us to not consider future generations.
The limitations I meant were limitations to where we can live here due to things like deserts and forests that we need to preserve our oxygen supplies, and the fact that we would all die of scurvy in space unless we find a way to grow foods containing vitamin C on board.. Hydroponics is not a viable option as synthetic vitamins are not the same, and this is what is added to hydroponically grown food.

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I dont think we will reach them in our lifetimes, but it is a little uncaring of us to not consider future generations.
The limitations I meant were limitations to where we can live here due to things like deserts and forests that we need to preserve our oxygen supplies, and the fact that we would all die of scurvy in space unless we find a way to grow foods containing vitamin C on board.. Hydroponics is not a viable option as synthetic vitamins are not the same, and this is what is added to hydroponically grown food.

Technological innovation and the ingenuity of mankind can save us all. I'd trust that over eugenics any time.

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Re: I have drunk Rothschild's kool aid... RENEW, RENEW, RENEW
« Reply #170 on: August 29, 2010, 07:28:22 pm »
I'm sorry all the fallacious arguments you people continually use to vainly attempt to justify your deliberate ignorance of the obvious and incontrovertibly true problems of population growth and resource limitations are EPIC FAILS!

THis planet simply cannot continue to sustain the rates of growth in human population and consumption that these neocon "corporate econo-NAZIS" continue to try to keep the world banking upon. What you guys are vainly defending are a bunch of ignorant corporate lies, meant purely only to fish in suckers and lead us into yet another tragic world war or other mass die-off.

All one has to do is to perform simple arithmetic on population vs the world's fresh water supplies.

We are already bound to witness a seriously catastrophic global Potable Water Crisis in a time very, very short now.

And BTW, nobody will be "discovering" any new water. Population growth rates must descend to 0% or below by some means certain wether we like it or not.

One cannot simply continue driving along blindly at 150mph hoping vainly that somehow "Maybe the road will not end".

Malthus may have been wrong a two hundred years ago, so was King George, for a while, until 1913/1948....

and that my friend, is the REAL ISSUE and false "solution" that we must all never, ever countenance nor allow!


What evidence do you have to support the theory of Rothschild's mandate of zero population growth?
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Technological innovation and the ingenuity of mankind can save us all. I'd trust that over eugenics any time.

That all depends on whos technological innovation and ingenuity is allowed to flourish..

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That all depends on whos technological innovation and ingenuity is allowed to flourish..

And who controls it.

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It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

The End

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Really,

agentbluescreen

Malthus?

Malthusianism?  Neo-Malthusianism?

Why not neo-flat-Earthism?

Yeah, you lost me on this one and I can follow even some of your more cryptic pronouncements.

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Dig, I was eating.  :(

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Of course the war against the weak is justified (even though less than 1% of the earth is occupied). It has been legally proven by the man in the glass booth.
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Dig, I was eating.  :(

After 300 years, the elite psychopaths are still pushing the same BS arguments, and some of the slaves are again falling for it.
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War Against the Weak: Eugenics
1:03:57  - 2 years ago
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9014940408212321489
Edwin Black discussed his book War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, published by Four Walls Eight Windows. The book discusses a large-scale eugenics movement that began in the U.S. in 1904 and that was championed by the nation's medical, political, and religious elite. Eugenics sought to eliminate social "undesirables" and was eventually copied by the Third Reich. Mr. Black responded to questions from members of the audience.
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 0% population "growth" means every set of parents can have 2 children in their lifetimes or most likely more when one considers celibate, gay or otherwise single or childless human beings.

I'm done arguing about this, let's just agree to disagree.

At least watch/take the simple arithmetic lesson, since you seem to have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+most+important+video+you+will+ever+see


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Sorry Charrington surely no slight was intended, my shocked retort wasn't meant to be directed at you, we are in agreement.

Pretending a problem doesn't exist will not solve it, the title of this thread has been maliciously sabotaged. None of us are nor where discussing nor even considering the queer and psychopathic notion of killing (other) people to solve nor address these problems...


thanks ABS...

My point anyways was not to promote action or belief in any system but education on how it really works - whether or not overpopulation is a problem now it will be soon enough and it's something people shouldn't blow off - unless they chose to be completely ignorant.

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0% population "growth" means every set of parents can have 2 children in their lifetimes or most likely more when one considers celibate, gay or otherwise single or childless human beings.

I'm done arguing about this, let's just agree to disagree.

At least watch/take the simple arithmetic lesson, since you seem to have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+most+important+video+you+will+ever+see



You can not legislate what people do in the bedroom, nor should we.

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0% population "growth" means every set of parents can have 2 children in their lifetimes or most likely more when one considers celibate, gay or otherwise single or childless human beings.

I'm done arguing about this, let's just agree to disagree.

At least watch/take the simple arithmetic lesson, since you seem to have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+most+important+video+you+will+ever+see

0% population growth means genocide.

There is no other meaning whatsoever.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You are watching Al Gore logic, hockey stick theories. You are believing in a snake god operation. The Earth can hold over 100x the number of humans currently on it.

over 100x.

over 99% of the planet is uninhabited.

over 99%.

over 99% of the resources of the earth are not used.

over 99%.

But what is the motive?

The elites want us gone, they want us to limit our own reproduction. They want to end humanity. Over 90% of the Western States' land is owned by the federal government. over 90%. Why? Why is that?

Study after study proves that the more industrialized a country is, the lower the population growth. Why are we not industrializing other countries if we want to end the population growth.

Go to google maps...what do you see?
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Part 2. The Malthusian Delusion and the Origins of Population Control

Written by Steven W. Mosher   
Thursday, 22 January 2009 10:00

Note: The following is excerpted from Steven Mosher’s book, Population Control—Real Costs, Illusory Benefits.

The first population bomber of the modern age was, by profession at least, ill-suited to the task. The Rev. Thomas Malthus, Anglican clergyman, predicted in 1798 that there would be standing room only on this earth by the Year of Our Lord, 1890.

A London talk by Benjamin Franklin had inflamed Malthus’ imagination. The American polymath had proudly proclaimed to his English audience that the population of their former colonies was growing at a rate of 3 percent a year. The good Parson, who fancied himself something of a mathematician, knew that this meant that America’s population was doubling every 23 years or so. He pondered this remorseless geometric progression during the long walks he was accustomed to take in the English countryside, becoming increasingly concerned about the staggering numbers—2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64—that would soon result. He imagined the boroughs filling up with people, until every available nook and cranny was choked with human misery. And how could this coming hoard of humanity possibly be fed, he wondered? How could sufficient grain be grown in the green fields he was passing, even if every moor, hedgerow and woodland was brought under cultivation? An arithmetic increase in the food supply—2, 4, 6, 8—was the best that could be hoped for. But with men multiplying geometrically and food only arithmetically, the number of people would inevitably outstrip the food supply. It was perhaps the very simplicity of the Parson’s notion that gave it such a strong grip on his mind. Better minds than his would soon fall prey to the same delusion.

Malthus published his speculations in 1798 in a tract called An Essay on the Principle of Population. Despite its scholarly sounding title, this was the original “population bomb.” It contained no images of exploding ordinance (these would be reserved for our less genteel age), but like its latter-day imitators it aroused great public concern by painting a picture of imminent catastrophe brought on by the unchecked growth in human numbers. Such a fate, Malthus argued, could only be avoided by stern, even pitiless, measures. The problem, as he saw it, was that the death rate in England was in marked decline. Before the advent of modern means of sanitation and medicine roughly 40 out of every thousand people had died each year. But as the Industrial Revolution spread, it brought better housing and nutrition for the poor, and provided the means for public authorities to underwrite public health and sanitation measures. The death rate had dropped to 30 per thousand and was still falling. Malthus proposed to undo all this:

    All children born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the deaths of grown persons. . . . Therefore . . . we should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality; and if we dread the too frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction, which we compel nature to use. Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague. In the country, we should build our villages near stagnant pools, and particularly encourage settlements in all marshy and unwholesome situations. But above all, we should reprobate [I.e., reject] specific remedies for ravaging diseases; and restrain those benevolent, but much mistaken men, who have thought they were doing a service to mankind by projecting schemes for the total extirpation of particular disorders.1

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Fixed!

You should read Geolibertarian's posts about the overpopulation myth.

New Eugenics and the Rise of the Global Scientific Dictatorship
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=117190.0

How do we eliminate the paradox of poverty & privation amid plenty & abundance?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.0

That's wonderful but neither Geo or Gore are experts in the sciences. Better yet neither one has anything to do with what I was pointing out.

I think all you've done really is lost credibility - Changing peoples posts and words in their post - is not only disrespectful it establishes no trust between you and forum members that wish to have a safe house to say as they please. We all know we can't do that in the NWo world because they censor things .. oh wait... that seems to happen here too? Maybe it's not so different here after all.

I'd even call it tyrannical and autocratic. You want to debate over it and insert your own beliefs and info in to the conversation great .. I can see other mods here do that and it's all fine and dandy. Changing someones post really lowers the value of the forum.  

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Granted, that example is getting a bit outdated, but even if we was to use another state, say Alaska, there will still be plenty of wide open spaces around the globe. I am not saying we should cram everybody into one state, however it does illustrate how silly the overpopulation alarmism actually is.
That doesn't prove anything -- because it's not about the geo area .. it's about resources. water, lumber, oil etc... were using those things and they can't be replaced in many cases. Overpopulation isn't about having enough earth to build a house on it's about sustaining all of humanity with the resources we have.

And my point is even IF you don't believe it's "that bad" now .. someday it will be so when do you start thinking about the problem and planning for it?

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That's wonderful but neither Geo or Gore are experts in the sciences. Better yet neither one has anything to do with what I was pointing out.

I think all you've done really is lost credibility - Changing peoples posts and words in their post - is not only disrespectful it establishes no trust between you and forum members that wish to have a safe house to say as they please. We all know we can't do that in the NWo world because they censor things .. oh wait... that seems to happen here too? Maybe it's not so different here after all.

I'd even call it tyrannical and autocratic. You want to debate over it and insert your own beliefs and info in to the conversation great .. I can see other mods here do that and it's all fine and dandy. Changing someones post really lowers the value of the forum.  

Hey dude...WAKE UP FROM YOUE SUBLIMINAL LOGAN'S RUN PROGRAMMING!

You can go to over 100 million Rothschild/Rockefeller websites to circle jerk about the best way to exterminate humans on a grand scale due to manufactured and artificial faux necessity. This forum allows freedom from that bullshit.
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Re: I have drunk Rothschild's kool aid... RENEW, RENEW, RENEW
« Reply #187 on: August 29, 2010, 08:37:16 pm »
I'm sorry all the fallacious arguments you people continually use to vainly attempt to justify your deliberate ignorance of the obvious and incontrovertibly true problems of population growth and resource limitations are EPIC FAILS!

THis planet simply cannot continue to sustain the rates of growth in human population and consumption that these neocon "corporate econo-NAZIS" continue to try to keep the world banking upon. What you guys are vainly defending are a bunch of ignorant corporate lies, meant purely only to fish in suckers and lead us into yet another tragic world war or other mass die-off.

All one has to do is to perform simple arithmetic on population vs the world's fresh water supplies.

We are already bound to witness a seriously catastrophic global Potable Water Crisis in a time very, very short now.

And BTW, nobody will be "discovering" any new water. Population growth rates must descend to 0% or below by some means certain wether we like it or not.

One cannot simply continue driving along blindly at 150mph hoping vainly that somehow "Maybe the road will not end".

Malthus may have been wrong a two hundred years ago, so was King George, for a while, until 1913/1948....

and that my friend, is the REAL ISSUE and false "solution" that we must all never, ever countenance nor allow!

Exactly ...


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That doesn't prove anything -- because it's not about the geo area .. it's about resources. water, lumber, oil etc... were using those things and they can't be replaced in many cases. Overpopulation isn't about having enough earth to build a house on it's about sustaining all of humanity with the resources we have.

And my point is even IF you don't believe it's "that bad" now .. someday it will be so when do you start thinking about the problem and planning for it?

You have fallen for the propaganda and parroting it.

Overpopulation is a lie.

Peak oil is a lie.

The earth is running out of drinkable water is a lie.

Man-made Global warming is a lie.

These are things the elites want to condition us to believe. To them we nothing more than cockroaches beneath their feet. It is not about overpopulation or the shortage of resources, it is about control.

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That is interesting -

Yup, 300 years ago the same psychotic incestuous genocidal maniacs were yelling and screaming "zero population growth, too much of a burden on the rest of us, our ship cannot hold so many people or it will sink, blah blah blah". Then the genius humanitarian and satirist Jonathon Swift who heard their inner meeting where they planned on killing all the children wrote this pamphlet and spread it far and wide.

And then then the elites were forced to shut the f**k up, because everybody knew!

every 50 years they do it again, it is like a broken record.
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War Against the Weak: Eugenics
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9014940408212321489
Edwin Black discussed his book War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, published by Four Walls Eight Windows. The book discusses a large-scale eugenics movement that began in the U.S. in 1904 and that was championed by the nation's medical, political, and religious elite. Eugenics sought to eliminate social "undesirables" and was eventually copied by the Third Reich. Mr. Black responded to questions from members of the audience.
But you see Dig MY question isn't about us killing anyone or Eugenics - it's about a growing population and dwindling resources - just to be clear - using any reason in my mind to kill another human is just insane. I don't agree with eugenics - however at some point it time humanity will face this issue .. so when do you start thinking about it? Obviously some here think it's a bit early to start thinking about it but it's really not.

When Hawkin said  "It's outer space or die for humans" but some here immediately said nut case, tinfoil hat. I'd have to disagree - he understands where humanity is heading and eventually we'll have to start working on a solution.

If people here in this forum can't understand that then - lets "pretend" for a minute, we will run into overpopulation in the next 10 years. Tell me in the time we have left - with all seriousness - what do you really think you can do about it?

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Hey dude...WAKE UP FROM YOUE SUBLIMINAL LOGAN'S RUN PROGRAMMING!

You can go to over 100 million Rothschild/Rockefeller websites to circle jerk about the best way to exterminate humans on a grand scale due to manufactured and artificial faux necessity. This forum allows freedom from that bullshit.
An open discussion isn't one where Mods tell you what to think or how to post - are you saying that isn't what this forum is about. I asked legitimate questions about overpopulation not extermination.

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The legitimate answer is there is no over population crisis/problem!  The ones that are making it a problem are the biggest contributors to depopulation experiments and genocide.

Example:  Ted Turner thinks everyone should be limited to one child-- yet he had 5.

It is that mentality that is dictating and brainwashing-- stop falling for it!
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Yup, 300 years ago the same psychotic incestuous genocidal maniacs were yelling and screaming "zero population growth, too much of a burden on the rest of us, our ship cannot hold so many people or it will sink, blah blah blah". Then the genius humanitarian and satirist Jonathon Swift who heard their inner meeting where they planned on killing all the children wrote this pamphlet and spread it far and wide.

And then then the elites were forced to shut the f**k up, because everybody knew!

every 50 years they do it again, it is like a broken record.
It's not the elites 200 years ago that got my attention ... it's scientists and mathematicians today - I understand the difference between the two... and its not my intent to disrupt or change anyone way of evaluating overpopulation or the answers for it.

I didn't really want to spam a whole bunch of links up here backing my beliefs .. I just wanted answers for the issue. So it's not today in your mind .. ok with me .. lets say it's 200 years from now and you have to do something about it .. what will do chose .. will you do anything different then NWO? etc...

Know what I mean?

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It's not the elites 200 years ago that got my attention ... it's scientists and mathematicians today - I understand the difference between the two... and its not my intent to disrupt or change anyone way of evaluating overpopulation or the answers for it.

I didn't really want to spam a whole bunch of links up here backing my beliefs .. I just wanted answers for the issue. So it's not today in your mind .. ok with me .. lets say it's 200 years from now and you have to do something about it .. what will do chose .. will you do anything different then NWO? etc...

Know what I mean?


200 years from now I very much hope the worms have thoroughly eaten my body and I have left the next generations with more knowledge and power to fight the NWO psychopaths.

Dude it is like we are in a foxhole and you are asking me if I prefer Niche or Camus. WHO GIVES A SHIT. if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass a hoping.

I guarantee you one thing for sure...

If we do not stop the matrix of deceit and the permanent obstructions of justice, in 200 years from now, it will not matter if there are 100 billion or 100 million...humanity will be unable to ever gain the freedoms we currently have and that is the ultimate horror that I fear.
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Anyone who thinks population is not an issue and could continue growing into perpetuity:

-- has never travelled
-- has never grown a garden ie. lacks any understanding of the fundamentals of agriculture
-- believes that deserts or arctic ice offer as much wealth as fertile land situated in advantageous temperate zones
-- has zero comprehension of resource management

There is a difference between eugenics and resource shortages.  Why it constantly gets confused here is annoying.
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The legitimate answer is there is no over population crisis/problem!  The ones that are making it a problem are the biggest contributors to depopulation experiments and genocide.

Example:  Ted Turner thinks everyone should be limited to one child-- yet he had 5.

It is that mentality that is dictating and brainwashing-- stop falling for it!
I've been around a little while now donnay and have a pretty good education and skills - I'm not a newbie. So don't think I'm falling for anything - and that's from anyone. I do a lot of research for other companies and myself. I create tools that help me do that research. I weigh things pretty carefully before I open my mouth and will have back up for it if I do.

Have you watched those videos ABS and I put up in the thread earlier? Watch them .. I know you'll really like them. I must have posted this a dozen times now - but it's not about what the NWO is doing or saying , it's not the square living area left in the world today - it's about resources.

It's also about at some point in time -- whether you believe it's far off or very soon .. there WILL come a point in time that there will be too many people for the resources - what will you do.

Cuz I know you can't count on the politicians to help you. So tell me who do you trust enough to tell you when it's time to start thinking about those things?

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Overpopulation is a Myth

Infowars.com
May 5, 2010

As the video below demonstrates, overpopulation is a myth. Globalists and their eugenic minions have misrepresented population statistics for decades in order to justify their agenda to wipe out large portions of the population. If this genocidal agenda continues, humanity will go the way of the Brontosaurus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBS6f-JVvTY&feature=player_embedded
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