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« Reply #280 on: September 20, 2017, 11:22:32 am »
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child-molesting priests
As the Dimond brothers said: if someone insists on persisting in (MORTAL) sin, they have most likely lost their faith -- assuming they ever had, in the first place.
So they're NOT Catholics!
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« Reply #281 on: September 22, 2017, 07:59:58 pm »
The head of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Francis, accepted the invitation of T. Nikolić to visit Serbia. In order for this visit to be realised, the invitation should be renewed by new President Aleksandar Vučić, but an agreement should also be reached with the Serbian Orthodox Church" – says Archbishop Luciano Suriani, Apostolic Nuncio in Serbia, in this interview for CorD Magazine...

https://www.b92.net/eng/insight/interviews.php?yyyy=2017&mm=08&dd=25&nav_id=102163http://

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« Reply #282 on: October 08, 2017, 12:12:00 pm »
 the Pope is a Dope and Catholicism is a JOKE.

 Jesus calls us to Repent! does this so called Church do this? NO! They only want CASH!

..oh ye Hippocrates...
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Common Sense ran away..."

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« Reply #283 on: October 08, 2017, 02:41:05 pm »
the Pope is a Dope and Catholicism is a JOKE.

 Jesus calls us to Repent! does this so called Church do this? NO! They only want CASH!

..oh ye Hippocrates...

Catholicism is not a JOKE. Pope Francis try to reform Catholic policy but he also have "deep state".

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« Reply #284 on: December 16, 2017, 09:38:53 am »
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Adolf Hitler baptized in Catholic Church in born Austrian village Braunau. Hitler remain formally Catholic until the end of his life.
See above.
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The Orthodox Church is the body of Christ, the pillar and ground of the Truth
Are you saying there is no salvation outside of it? If not, then what does it matter...?
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #285 on: December 16, 2017, 10:46:02 am »
See above.Are you saying there is no salvation outside of it? If not, then what does it matter...?

It is not so simple.

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« Reply #286 on: February 20, 2018, 02:09:03 pm »
Pope Francis to abandoned children in Romania:

"...Another young person said that when a friend of theirs at the orphanage had died, the priest told them the boy died a sinner and would not go to heaven. The Pope said no one can ever claim someone - even Judas - has not gone to heaven. "God wants to bring all of us to heaven, nobody excluded," said Pope.

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/8594/pope-francis-moved-to-tears-by-abandoned-childhttp://

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« Reply #287 on: March 04, 2018, 10:10:00 pm »
Pope Francis to abandoned children in Romania:

"...Another young person said that when a friend of theirs at the orphanage had died, the priest told them the boy died a sinner and would not go to heaven. The Pope said no one can ever claim someone - even Judas - has not gone to heaven. "God wants to bring all of us to heaven, nobody excluded," said Pope.

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/8594/pope-francis-moved-to-tears-by-abandoned-childhttp://
Al you should not pay attention to the anti catholic Borgolio, the true Catholic faith is the the faith that has been held from all times until the masons fully took over at Vatican 2 which is the new anti catholic religion, the novus ordo

Borgolio wrote
“I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize,
or convert the atheist; I respect him... nor would I say that his
life is condemned, because I am convinced that I do not have the right
to make a judgment about the honesty of that person... every man is
the image of God, whether he is a believer or not. For that reason
alone everyone has a series of virtues, qualities, and a greatness of his
own.” (Francis, On Heaven and Earth, pp. 12-13)

In contrast to Francis, the Council of Florence dogmatically defined that any
individual who has a view contrary to the Catholic Church’s teaching on Our
Lord Jesus Christ or the Trinity, or any one of the truths about Our Lord or
the Trinity, is rejected, condemned and anathematized by God.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino, 1442, ex
cathedra: “... the holy Roman Church, founded on the words of our
Lord and Savior, firmly believes, professes and preaches one true
God, almighty, immutable and eternal, Father, Son and Holy
Spirit... Therefore it [the Church] condemns, rejects,
anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of
Christ [and of God], which is the Church, whoever holds
opposing or contrary views.”

Jews reject that Jesus Christ is God, but Jesus says in John 8:24: “For if
you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.”Francis and the Jews
The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that you must believe in Jesus Christ
and have the Catholic faith for salvation.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, The Athanasian Creed, Sess. 8,
Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs
above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves
this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It teaches that it’s a mortal sin to observe or practice Judaism. Jews practice
the Old Law and reject the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ in addition to
calling Christ a deceiver or a complete myth invented by the Christians –
yet, despite this, many so-called Christians actually claim that the Jews are
“good”, or that they can be saved or that they remain “God’s chosen” people.
The Catholic Church teaches the following about the cessation of the Old
Law and about all who continue to observe it:
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy
Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that
the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, the
Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites,
sacrifices, and sacraments... after our Lord’s coming...ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began, and that
whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the
law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if
faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. All,
therefore, who after that time (the promulgation of the Gospel)
observe circumcision and the Sabbath (not to be mistaken with the
Christian Sabbath) and the other requirements of the law [that is,
practicing Jews], the holy Roman Church declares alien to the
Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in
eternal salvation.”
But in his astounding Apostolic Exhortation, “Evangelii Gaudium,” which
Francis, by the way addressed to the universal Church, he professes that
the Jews have a valid covenant with God (247), contrary to the
teaching of the Catholic Church in the dogmatic Council of Florence, as we
just saw above.
Evangelii Gaudium
Antipope Francis, Evangelii Gaudium (# 247), Nov. 24, 2013: “We
hold the Jewish people in special regard because their
covenant with God has never been revoked...”
Francis went on to say: “As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism
as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called toturn from idols [false gods] and to serve the true God [i.e., Francis says
Jews are not to be considered to be as those who turn from false gods in
order to serve the true God Jesus Christ and the Trinity since he already
believes they serve the true God!]... With them, we believe in the one God
who acts in history, and with them we accept his revealed word.” (Evangelii
Gaudium, # 247)
This is apostasy; it is a denial of Christ. It alone proves that Francis is not
the Pope since he totally denies, rejects, and spits upon the Council of
Florence.
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “With the
admonition of the apostle that ‘there is one God, one faith, one
baptism’ (Eph. 4:5) may those fear who contrive the notion
that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any
religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ
Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk.
11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him.
Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless
they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate’
(Athanasian Creed).”

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #288 on: March 05, 2018, 04:46:32 am »
Al you should not pay attention to the anti catholic Borgolio, the true Catholic faith is the the faith that has been held from all times until the masons fully took over at Vatican 2 which is the new anti catholic religion, the novus ordo

Borgolio wrote
“I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize,
or convert the atheist; I respect him... nor would I say that his
life is condemned, because I am convinced that I do not have the right
to make a judgment about the honesty of that person... every man is
the image of God, whether he is a believer or not. For that reason
alone everyone has a series of virtues, qualities, and a greatness of his
own.” (Francis, On Heaven and Earth, pp. 12-13)

In contrast to Francis, the Council of Florence dogmatically defined that any
individual who has a view contrary to the Catholic Church’s teaching on Our
Lord Jesus Christ or the Trinity, or any one of the truths about Our Lord or
the Trinity, is rejected, condemned and anathematized by God.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino, 1442, ex
cathedra: “... the holy Roman Church, founded on the words of our
Lord and Savior, firmly believes, professes and preaches one true
God, almighty, immutable and eternal, Father, Son and Holy
Spirit... Therefore it [the Church] condemns, rejects,
anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of
Christ [and of God], which is the Church, whoever holds
opposing or contrary views.”

Jews reject that Jesus Christ is God, but Jesus says in John 8:24: “For if
you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.”Francis and the Jews
The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that you must believe in Jesus Christ
and have the Catholic faith for salvation.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, The Athanasian Creed, Sess. 8,
Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs
above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves
this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It teaches that it’s a mortal sin to observe or practice Judaism. Jews practice
the Old Law and reject the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ in addition to
calling Christ a deceiver or a complete myth invented by the Christians –
yet, despite this, many so-called Christians actually claim that the Jews are
“good”, or that they can be saved or that they remain “God’s chosen” people.
The Catholic Church teaches the following about the cessation of the Old
Law and about all who continue to observe it:
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy
Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that
the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, the
Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites,
sacrifices, and sacraments... after our Lord’s coming...ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began, and that
whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the
law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if
faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. All,
therefore, who after that time (the promulgation of the Gospel)
observe circumcision and the Sabbath (not to be mistaken with the
Christian Sabbath) and the other requirements of the law [that is,
practicing Jews], the holy Roman Church declares alien to the
Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in
eternal salvation.”
But in his astounding Apostolic Exhortation, “Evangelii Gaudium,” which
Francis, by the way addressed to the universal Church, he professes that
the Jews have a valid covenant with God (247), contrary to the
teaching of the Catholic Church in the dogmatic Council of Florence, as we
just saw above.
Evangelii Gaudium
Antipope Francis, Evangelii Gaudium (# 247), Nov. 24, 2013: “We
hold the Jewish people in special regard because their
covenant with God has never been revoked...”
Francis went on to say: “As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism
as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called toturn from idols [false gods] and to serve the true God [i.e., Francis says
Jews are not to be considered to be as those who turn from false gods in
order to serve the true God Jesus Christ and the Trinity since he already
believes they serve the true God!]... With them, we believe in the one God
who acts in history, and with them we accept his revealed word.” (Evangelii
Gaudium, # 247)
This is apostasy; it is a denial of Christ. It alone proves that Francis is not
the Pope since he totally denies, rejects, and spits upon the Council of
Florence.
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “With the
admonition of the apostle that ‘there is one God, one faith, one
baptism’ (Eph. 4:5) may those fear who contrive the notion
that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any
religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ
Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk.
11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him.
Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless
they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate’
(Athanasian Creed).”

So Francis is "anti-pope" and freemason ? If that true he will go to Jasenovac and meet tha Patriarh Iriney - head of Serbian Orthodox Church. So far pope Francis refuse to be patron of Croatian Clero-fascism like Pope John Paul II but...

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #289 on: March 05, 2018, 01:03:35 pm »
So Francis is "anti-pope" and freemason ? If that true he will go to Jasenovac and meet tha Patriarh Iriney - head of Serbian Orthodox Church. So far pope Francis refuse to be patron of Croatian Clero-fascism like Pope John Paul II but...


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« Reply #290 on: March 06, 2018, 07:01:38 am »
Is Advocatus Diaboli a part "true catholic faith" ?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01168b.htmhttp:// 

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« Reply #291 on: March 16, 2018, 06:15:53 pm »

The Vatican has been accused of censoring a letter from the former pope, Benedict XVI, to disguise apparent differences of opinion between him and his successor, Pope Francis.

The row comes as a growing number of opponents of Francis’s liberal papacy depict his predecessor, who now lives in retirement in a cottage in the Vatican garden, as a muzzled champion of their brand of conservative faith.

Benedict, 90, shocked the world by standing down in 2013, before taking up a secluded existence at the Vatican with his books and piano.

His successor dropped Benedict’s traditional doctrinal brand of Catholicism to focus on mercy rather than dogma, enraging hardliners who have accused him of heresy over his push to allow Communion for Catholics who divorce and…
 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vatican-censored-benedicts-letter-to-conceal-differences-with-pope-francis-q06hksqdbhttp://

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« Reply #292 on: March 16, 2018, 08:44:28 pm »
Al you wrote "You are right. Orthodox Church claim that filoque is Heresy.
Could you explain me what is mean filoque ? "

the filioque is the teaching that the Holy spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, the schismatics reject this teaching from the Church of Christ (Catholic Church) therefore do not share the same profession of faith among other reasons..convert at once and save your soul from eternal damnation

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« Reply #293 on: March 17, 2018, 04:05:50 am »
Al you wrote "You are right. Orthodox Church claim that filoque is Heresy.
Could you explain me what is mean filoque ? "

the filioque is the teaching that the Holy spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, the schismatics reject this teaching from the Church of Christ (Catholic Church) therefore do not share the same profession of faith among other reasons..convert at once and save your soul from eternal damnation

That is your opinion.
What about Lord Jesus Christ said “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven..." ? ( Matthew 7:21-23 English Standard Version ).

Serbian Orthodox Church expecting Pope in Belgrade but Popes do not want to do what West Germas PM W. Brandt did Dead Camp Ausscwitz. 
Serbian Orthodox Church want ( "we must forgive but we cannot forget" ) to forgive but Vatican do not sincerely repent for "Balkan Auschwitz" - Jasenovac.


 

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« Reply #294 on: March 18, 2018, 10:45:28 pm »
That is your opinion.
What about Lord Jesus Christ said “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven..." ? ( Matthew 7:21-23 English Standard Version ).

Serbian Orthodox Church expecting Pope in Belgrade but Popes do not want to do what West Germas PM W. Brandt did Dead Camp Ausscwitz. 
Serbian Orthodox Church want ( "we must forgive but we cannot forget" ) to forgive but Vatican do not sincerely repent for "Balkan Auschwitz" - Jasenovac.
not opinion but fact

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« Reply #295 on: March 19, 2018, 06:14:00 am »
not opinion but fact

Not fact but Vatican dogma.

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« Reply #296 on: March 22, 2018, 06:49:35 pm »
NYTIMES: At the Second Vatican Council in 1965, decide formally repudiated collective Jewish guilt for the crucifixion of Jesus, and condemned anti-Semitism.

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« Reply #297 on: March 23, 2018, 11:05:20 am »
NYTIMES: At the Second Vatican Council in 1965, decide formally repudiated collective Jewish guilt for the crucifixion of Jesus, and condemned anti-Semitism.
this is because the 2nd Vatican council is anti Catholic, the freemason homo jews took over the Church

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« Reply #298 on: March 23, 2018, 12:15:30 pm »
this is because the 2nd Vatican council is anti Catholic, the freemason homo jews took over the Church

I do not think so. Vatican is accused, not support ( blessing), participated in crimes against with Nazis and Fascists in Europe, they went so far as to rescue war criminals ("Ratlines").

Therefore, the Vatican had to repent. First of all, Pope Paul VI had to apologize to the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II_aftermath)http://

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« Reply #299 on: March 23, 2018, 06:30:27 pm »
I do not think so. Vatican is accused, not support ( blessing), participated in crimes against with Nazis and Fascists in Europe, they went so far as to rescue war criminals ("Ratlines").

Therefore, the Vatican had to repent. First of all, Pope Paul VI had to apologize to the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II_aftermath)http://
Paul V1 was an anti catholic jew pope

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« Reply #300 on: March 24, 2018, 04:18:48 am »
Paul V1 was an anti catholic jew pope

Pope Paul VI is really was a Jew or you do not like Declaration of that Vatican Council in 1965. ?
I do not remember similar Declaration about Jews in any Orthodox Church.

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« Reply #301 on: May 29, 2018, 03:53:30 pm »
Wikipedia: Pope Pius XII designated Clare as the patron saint of television in 1958 on the basis that when she was too ill to attend Mass, she had reportedly been able to see and hear it on the wall of her room.   :o

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« Reply #302 on: June 11, 2018, 12:48:13 pm »
Vatican refused to recognize self-claimed independent State of Kosovo.  :)

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« Reply #303 on: June 11, 2018, 02:11:17 pm »
Child rape (otherwise known as pedophilia) is something the Catholic Church has a disgraceful -- and thoroughly documented -- tradition of being linked to either directly or indirectly.

But there's another kind of rape -- namely economic rape -- that the same Church has an equally disgraceful (but far lesser known) tradition of defending.

To understand why I say that, read Henry George's open letter to Pope Leo XIII.

The following is an excerpt from that letter:

"In speaking of the practical measures for the improvement of the condition of labor which your Holiness suggests, I have not mentioned what you place much stress upon — charity. But there is nothing practical in such recommendations as a cure for poverty, nor will any one so consider them. If it were possible for the giving of alms to abolish poverty there would be no poverty in Christendom.

"Charity is indeed a noble and beautiful virtue, grateful to man and approved by God. But charity must be built on justice. It cannot supersede justice.

"What is wrong with the condition of labor through the Christian world is that labor is robbed. And while you justify the continuance of that robbery it is idle to urge charity. To do so -- to commend charity as a substitute for justice, is indeed something akin in essence to those heresies, condemned by your predecessors, that taught that the gospel had superseded the law, and that the love of God exempted men from moral obligations.

"All that charity can do where injustice exists is here and there to mollify somewhat the effects of injustice. It cannot cure them. Nor is even what little it can do to mollify the effects of injustice without evil. For what may be called the superimposed, and in this sense, secondary virtues, work evil where the fundamental or primary virtues are absent. Thus sobriety is a virtue and diligence is a virtue. But a sober and diligent thief is all the more dangerous. Thus patience is a virtue. But patience under wrong is the condoning of wrong. Thus it is a virtue to seek knowledge and to endeavor to cultivate the mental powers. But the wicked man becomes more capable of evil by reason of his intelligence. Devils we always think of as intelligent.

"And thus that pseudo-charity that discards and denies justice works evil. On the one side, it demoralizes its recipients, outraging that human dignity which as you say 'God himself treats with reverence,' and turning into beggars and paupers men who to become self-supporting, self-respecting citizens need only the restitution of what God has given them. On the other side, it acts as an anodyne to the consciences of those who are living on the robbery of their fellows, and fosters that moral delusion and spiritual pride that Christ doubtless had in mind when he said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. For it leads men steeped in injustice, and using their money and their influence to bolster up injustice, to think that in giving alms they are doing something more than their duty toward man and deserve to be very well thought of by God, and in a vague way to attribute to their own goodness what really belongs to God's goodness. For consider: Who is the All-Provider? Who is it that as you say, 'owes to man a storehouse that shall never fail,' and which 'he finds only in the inexhaustible fertility of the earth.' Is it not God? And when, therefore, men, deprived of the bounty of their God, are made dependent on the bounty of their fellow-creatures, are not these creatures, as it were, put in the place of God, to take credit to themselves for paying obligations that you yourself say God owes?

"But worse perhaps than all else is the way in which this substituting of vague injunctions to charity for the clear-cut demands of justice opens an easy means for the professed teachers of the Christian religion of all branches and communions to placate Mammon while persuading themselves that they are serving God. Had the English clergy not subordinated the teaching of justice to the teaching of charity -- to go no further in illustrating a principle of which the whole history of Christendom from Constantine's time to our own is witness -- the Tudor tyranny would never have arisen, and the separation of the church been averted; had the clergy of France never substituted charity for justice, the monstrous iniquities of the ancient regime would never have brought the horrors of the Great Revolution; and in my own country had those who should have preached justice not satisfied themselves with preaching kindness, chattel slavery could never have demanded the holocaust of our civil war.

"No, your Holiness; as faith without works is dead, as men cannot give to God his due while denying to their fellows the rights he gave them, so charity unsupported by justice can do nothing to solve the problem of the existing condition of labor."

-- Henry George, The Condition of Labor, pp. 92-95
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

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