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« Reply #280 on: June 24, 2013, 05:25:23 pm »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/us-urges-russia-edward-snowden-pursuit
US scrambles to find Edward Snowden and urges Russia to co-operate
Washington criticises China for allowing NSA whistleblower to leave but Snowden's whereabouts remain a source of confusion

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The attempt by Edward Snowden to escape the clutches of US authorities descended into farce when the 30-year-old surveillance whistleblower outpaced the world's biggest intelligence apparatus in a round-the-world chase that was still under way on Monday.

Washington could barely disguise its fury at the manner in which Snowden was hustled out of Hong Kong, despite the US having revoked his passport and demanded his detention. The White House made it clear that China-US relations had been placed under great strain.

Snowden was believed to be in Russia on Monday and attempting to fly to Ecuador. Yet journalists who boarded a flight from Moscow to Havana, a suspected lay-over stop on Snowden's journey, reported that the former National Security Agency contractor was not on the plane, despite reports that he had checked in.
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Speaking in Dehli on Monday, US secretary of state John Kerry expressed frustration that China had failed to detain Snowden. "It would be deeply troubling, obviously, if they had adequate notice, and notwithstanding that, they make the decision wilfully to ignore that and not live by the standards of the law."
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Ricardo Patino, Ecuador's foreign minister, speaking in Hanoi, said it was considering an asylum request by Snowden, but did not know where he was. "I cannot give you information about that. We are in contact with the Russian government, but this specific information about this precise situation of Edward Snowden, we cannot give it to you right now, because we don't have it."
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The WikLeaks founder Julian Assange, in a conference call from the Ecuadorean embassy in London where he is sheltering from Swedish extradition attempts, said he knew where Snowden was. It was unclear, however, how big a part Assange and WikiLeaks had played in Snowden's escape from Hong Kong. Assange said Wikileaks had paid for Snowden's travel costs and lodgings since he left Hong Kong.

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Re: NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower
« Reply #281 on: June 24, 2013, 06:05:06 pm »
 Sometimes I get a grip on issues, sometimes I don't. This is one of Tarpley is the don't.
  My bottom line is this guy willingly or unwillingly has brought to the people a truth, Yes we knew this, but how many average citizens were aware, MSM addicts were literally forced to see the reality.
  To believe  this will effect relations with China, come on guys, China is the supercorps dinner table, and we are in extreme debt to them, have sold out  businesses and property's domestically, WTF.
  Russia played ball for whatever tit for tat was played out, China and USA relations began with H.K and Nixon.
   Why label Assange or Snowden evil  for the  exposure of tyrannical powers that effect every human on this earth.
     Obamas masters want Syria, as they did the other nations they invaded and occupied with their old enemies, now their buddys  Al-Q, the guys they blamed for 911.. WTF.
    The truth, the symbolic all seeing eye on that pyramid is exposed.


 

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Re: NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower
« Reply #282 on: June 24, 2013, 09:20:34 pm »
You have to admit the conspiracy stuff has become pretty mainstream since this Snowden thing and it's no accident IMO. A similar thing happened a few years ago with the Tea Party and look at it now: Neo con lite.


John Young ( cryptome ): WikiLeaks' Ties to The Elite  

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Re: NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower
« Reply #283 on: June 24, 2013, 10:20:26 pm »

John Young ( cryptome ): WikiLeaks' Ties to The Elite  

 http://youtu.be/-lTBJAkNyBk

 AJ Radio interview  from December 2010

Yeah, in that vid AJ seems to be sold that Assange and crew were a (possible) psyop. Yet, even though Assange has now become Snowden's lead buddy, he still sees Snowden as a hero. It's still possible, but you can't ignore what is front of your face. I'd like to hear Mr. Young's views on the current events.
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« Reply #284 on: June 24, 2013, 11:16:28 pm »
Alex is hyping the fact that Snowden is a Ron Paul supporter and an InfoWars listener.... Let's see if the MSM scum pick up on this and use it against the resistance. Should I worry?
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Re: NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower
« Reply #285 on: June 25, 2013, 07:28:18 am »
Snowden never crossed Russian border: Lavrov
June 25, 2013
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/snowden-never-crossed-russian-border-lavrov-2013-06-25

By Karen Friar LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Edward Snowden, who has admitted to leaking classified documents, never crossed the border into Russia, Sergey Lavrov, the country's foreign minister said Tuesday, according to Russian media reports. Snowden was believed to be in Moscow after flying out of Hong Kong on Sunday as U.S. authorities attempted to pursue the former National Security Agency contractor over charges of espionage.




Pirate Party Norway: – Snowden Passed Through Norway to Iceland
June 24, 2013

Organization Pirate Party Norway claims that spy accused Edward Snowden landed at Oslo Gardermon airport last night.

The party leader Øystein Jakobsen would meet with Snowden when he landed on Sunday evening, according to the party’s twitter account.

- We have received information from our international umbrella party, the Pirate Parties International (PPI), that he will stop in Norway. The reason is that this is probably the quickest and easiest way to fly to Iceland, says Tale Østrådal from the Pirate Party to TV2 Norway

Øsrådal also said that Pirate Party in Iceland confirmed Snowden’s stay in the country. Iceland has become a haven for people like him, almost a “Pirate Island,” says Østrådal.

The paty leader Jakobsen, on the other hand, thanked the former agent. He has sacrificed his whole life for something he felt wrong. What he has done is exemplary. He has sacrificed a life of freedom to inform the public about a serious infringement, says Jakobsen to TV 2

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Re: NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower
« Reply #286 on: June 25, 2013, 08:01:10 am »


... there is a sea change underway,
in the US and especially around the
world ... people ARE NOT GOING TO
STAND FOR THIS NSA-styled ELECTRONIC
INVASION ANY LONGER!

Even far-lefty, Obama-loving DAILY KOS
reports the situation like this:


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218102/-US-NSA-Accused-of-Criminal-Privacy-Violations-in-Dozens-of-Nations-Snowden-Blowback

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US & NSA Accused of Criminal Privacy Violations
in Dozens of Nations - Snowden Blowback


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Do you remember this story from last September?  ( http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/187539/reftab/36/t/Hackers-claim-12-million-Apple-IDs-from-FBI/Default.aspx )

It wasn't a big story in the US, but the rest of the world took a keen and somewhat alarmed interest in it. It's the beginning point -- the first clue -- that something was very much amiss in America:

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WASHINGTON, Sept 4, (AFP): A hacker group has claimed to have obtained personal data from 12 million Apple iPhone and iPad users by breaching an FBI computer, raising concerns about government tracking.

The group called AntiSec, linked to the hacking collective known as Anonymous, posted one million Apple user identifiers on Monday purported to be part of a larger group of 12 million obtained from an FBI laptop.

Contacted by AFP, FBI spokeswoman Jenny Shearer said: “We’re not commenting.”

Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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Peter Kruse, an e-crime specialist with CSIS Security Group in Denmark, said on Twitter that the leak “is real” and that he confirmed three of his own devices in the leaked data.

“Also notice that they claim to have fullname, addresses, phone numbers etc... Big ouch!” he tweeted.

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Eric Hemmendinger, a security expert with Tata Communications headquartered in India, said the report raises concerns about the protectors of cybersecurity.

“The question is not whether it’s accurate, it is why did the feds have the information and why did they not take due care to secure it,” he told AFP.

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Aldo Cortesi, a security consultant living in New Zealand, called the incident “a privacy catastrophe.”

“The vulnerabilities ranged from de-anonymization, to takeover of the user’s gaming social network account, to the ability to completely take over the user’s Facebook and Twitter accounts,” he said on a blog posting.

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Graham Cluley of the British security firm Sophos, remarked, “Quite why the FBI was collecting the UDIDs and personal information of millions of iPhone and iPad users is not yet clear — but it’s obvious that the data (and the computer it was apparently stored on) was not adequately secured.”

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Johannes Ullrich of the SANS Internet Storm Center said it was difficult to verify the report.

“There is nothing else in the file that would implicate the FBI. So this data may very well come from another source. But it is not clear who would have a file like this,” he told AFP.

"It's unclear why the FBI, if the report were true, would have the data," he added. “The size of the file would imply a widespread, not a targeted, tracking operation...."

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In the posting of this data, AntiSec said the original file “contained around 12,000,000 devices” and that “we decided a million would be enough to release.”

AntiSec said it posted the information to draw attention to Apple’s practices which allow users to be tracked [in real time].

“We never liked the concept of UDIDs since the beginning indeed. Really bad decision from Apple,” it said. "The FBI is using your device info for a tracking-people project or some shit.”


It seems AntiSec had stumbled upon a tiny piece of the vast NSA "global" spying dragnet that was collecting private data profiles on ordinary citizens-- not only in the US, but throughout the world.

Ten months later, halfway around the world, Edward Snowden was monitoring the systems that were collecting this illegally accessed very private citizen data. And the data was not just from ordinary Americans and Chinese, but from all our friends and allies -- Germany, Australia, Canada, Scandinavia, Latin and South America, and many others.

It took three months for Snowden to decide to put a stop to this illegal activity.

If Snowden were a criminal, he could have exploited the data. Or sold it to identity thieves. Or, even sold it to a foreign enemy.

But in order to do the right thing -- and expose the crime -- Snowden would have to give up his own life and throw himself on the mercy of the ordinary citizens of the world.



Yes, the collection of this kind of personal data is illegal in almost every nation in the world.

The right to privacy from electronic surveillance is granted in most national constitutions. This expectation of privacy has been declared a human right by the UN. It is a crime to collect it secretly.



It may be hard for Americans to wrap their minds around this concept because, in their case, human rights are not directly conferred upon them, constitutionally -- and can be suspended by the Executive Branch or the high court at any time, if it is deemed (often secretly) to be in the best interest of the "defense" of the nation.

Read that last sentence again. ^^^

You are living in that reality. The citizens of other nations are not. Their constitutions declare and affirm human rights that are specific to the 21st century issues.

Americans have have little expectation of general human rights, many of which were circumvented by the Patriot Act. But, right npw, the rest rest of the world is dismayed and outraged that the US has illegally breached their sovereign laws to spy on their citizens and businesses.

The world regards what the NSA is doing as an international crime and a direct violation of their human rights.



Here's the Problem with the US that the World is going to Fix:


The world is looking at an international crisis -- as a result of Edward Snowden's description of an illegal data theft "Process" -- perpetrated against their own citizens. The US is engaged in ongoing criminal activity against their sovereignty. And they are scrambling to put a stop to it.

The United States can no longer be trusted, never, ever again.


This is a watershed moment that changes everything. You are witnessing an epic geopolitical shift that will profoundly effect the United States standing throughout the world. It will certainly affect your future.



Before this is over, the entire architecture of the Internet will be rebuilt. Here's why:

A huge proportion of all global Internet traffic flows through networks controlled by the United States. This is because eight of fifteen global tier 1 telecommunications companies are American owned -- companies like AT&T, CenturyLink, and Verizon. Furthermore, the social media services are also mostly provided by giants headquartered in the United States, including Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, and Twitter.

All of these companies are subject to U.S. law, including the provisions of the U.S. Patriot Act, no matter where their services are offered or their servers located.

Having the world's Internet traffic routed through the U.S. and having those telecommunications companies under its jurisdiction compromises the constitutionally guaranteed privacy rights of citizens of all other sovereign nations.



This will end.

The rest of the world will not stand for it.


It's a simple fact and an economic black swan for the US.

Here's what Edward Snowden told the world:

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“We hack network backbones — like huge Internet routers, basically — that gives us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one.”

Actually, it's hundreds of millions of computers, and billions of phone calls, that are routed through the NSA's data collection traps -- from every corner of the world -- every minute of the day
. Even though most of them are not communicating to anyone in the US, the Internet's current architecture allows the NSA to capture them all. Potentially, that means every single soul on earth who uses electronic communication is being tracked.

Other nations understood this immediately. They are well aware that their citizens have been caught in the illegal NSA dragnet. This is a completely unacceptable act by the US -- just as it would be if the world's Internet backbone was located in Russia and Moscow was mining the rich personal data of every American citizen.

The United States has inadvertently declared itself to be a rogue, predatory Police State. When the story broke, officials in European capitals demanded immediate answers from their US counterparts and denounced the practice of secretly gathering digital information on Europeans as unacceptable, illegal and a serious violation of basic human rights.

There were heated and outraged discussions at the G-8 summit in Ireland. Eric Holder was flown to Brussels for questioning by the European Union. When Holder left, they were even more outraged. The Germans openly liken the United States actions to the actions of the Cold War-era Stasi.


Here's what the Nations of the World are saying to each other: (Ed:  PLEASE SEE ABOVE LINK FOR INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE STATEMENTS)

Executive Summary:


As we can see, the American Bubble has no awareness or perspective of how Edward Snowden's whistleblowing has affected the entire world and the future of its digital communications infrastructure. Americans think it is all about them -- but the fact is, the global community doesn't care how the US treats its own citizens. This is completely immaterial to the sovereign security crisis the world is actually facing as a result of Snowden's revelations.

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In the US, where the concerns of other sovereign nations are not a factor, pressure is growing at the White House to explain whether there is effective congressional oversight of the domestic spying programs revealed by Snowden. This is a conversation that the government cannot have with the American people. Every time they make a statement, the global blowback gets worse.

The administration hopes that the American public will be easily distracted by the drama of charging Snowden with espionage and the years long extradition kabuki. This way, they can stonewall the people's inquiries with "ongoing case" and "national security" tropes -- until the new season of American Idol begins again in September.

Personally, I don't believe that any elected figure at the Federal Government has the will or the authority to stop the NSA, even if that was a desired goal. It was a different America when over-reach like like J. Edgar Hoover's could be somewhat contained. Everything changed after September 11th, which was certainly a fortuitous event for the Neocons and the signers of PNAC.

No, it's too late to stop the NSA's Orwellian mission. Are your phone calls recorded? The NSA absolutely has the capability to do so.

Would they lie about that?

We now live in the America the Neocons fantasized about. We will be in the business of war for the rest of your lives. The entire continent of Africa, rich with resources, is prize this time. Our advance "special" forces from the Africom command center are already busy planting the Libyan/Syrian Rebel Scenario Seeds in every single resource-rich country. That's the next place that current American teens will be sent to die for the corporations.

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In March,2012, NSA spokeswoman Vanee Vines emailed an Associated Press reporter about a story that described the NSA as a monitor of worldwide Internet data and phone calls.

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“NSA collects, monitors, and analyzes a variety of FOREIGN signals and communications for indications of threats to the United States and for information of value to the US government,” she wrote. “FOREIGN is the operative word. NSA is not an indiscriminate vacuum, collecting anything and everything.”

Then, just last week, President Obama make it clear that the NSA statement was a lie:
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Nobody is listening to your telephone calls,”  Obama assured the nation after two days of reports that many found unsettling. What the government is doing, he said, is digesting phone numbers  and the durations of calls, seeking links that might “identify potential leads with respect to folks who might engage in terrorism.”
If there’s a hit, he said, “if the intelligence community then actually wants to listen to a phone call, they’ve got to go back to a federal judge, just like they would in a criminal investigation.”

“I think the American people understand that there are some trade-offs involved,” Obama said when questioned by reporters at a health care event in San Jose, California.

“It’s important to recognize that you can’t have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience,” he said. “We’re going to have to make some choices as a society. And what I can say is that in evaluating these programs, they make a difference in our capacity to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity.”

The above passage may put your mind at ease.
Or, it may do exactly the opposite.

If you are inside the US, it really doesn't matter. The immediate future is set. The ball is in the global court. American businesses will be the first to feel the blowback..

The NSA revelations pose an immediate economic problem for US cloud providers on the international market -- the big name telecoms. Richard Stiennon, chief research analyst at IT-Harvest, wrote in Forbes that this kind of, "vast foreign and domestic spying & threatens the global competitiveness of U.S. tech companies."

Internet traffic to the United States from Asia, Africa and even Latin America has been in decline, a trend that is almost certainly going to accelerate as those regions ramp up their own network exchange points and local services to minimize dependence on networks and media services under US control.

The global imperative is to contain and isolate the criminal NSA data-mining exploits solely to the United States. That is, to quarantine this Orwellian infection to North America.

That's what the world is talking about today.


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Let it loose; it will defend itself.-

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Re: NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower
« Reply #287 on: June 25, 2013, 08:04:16 am »
You have to admit the conspiracy stuff has become pretty mainstream since this Snowden thing and it's no accident IMO. A similar thing happened a few years ago with the Tea Party and look at it now: Neo con lite.


John Young ( cryptome ): WikiLeaks' Ties to The Elite  

 http://youtu.be/-lTBJAkNyBk

 AJ Radio interview  from December 2010


                Yup, conspiracy theorist has now become Americans for Truth, hasn't it allways been, for us.

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« Reply #288 on: June 25, 2013, 08:06:32 am »

... there is a sea change underway,
in the US and especially around the
world ... people ARE NOT GOING TO
STAND FOR THIS NSA-styled ELECTRONIC
INVASION ANY LONGER!

Even far-lefty, Obama-loving DAILY KOS
reports the situation like this:


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218102/-US-NSA-Accused-of-Criminal-Privacy-Violations-in-Dozens-of-Nations-Snowden-Blowback

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« Reply #289 on: June 25, 2013, 08:14:57 am »
Alex is hyping the fact that Snowden is a Ron Paul supporter and an InfoWars listener.... Let's see if the MSM scum pick up on this and use it against the resistance. Should I worry?
NO2NWO.
             No worries brother. MSM had Americans boxed in, BUT this is global, they can't stop it, they must act.
Ron Paul and his supporters were respected by the majority,  others they simply lost their minds to the void.
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« Reply #290 on: June 25, 2013, 09:22:40 am »
Ron Paul:

"My understanding is that espionage means giving secret or classified information to the enemy. Since Snowden shared information with the American people, his indictment for espionage could reveal (or confirm) that the US Government views you and me as the enemy."

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« Reply #291 on: June 25, 2013, 10:06:51 am »
Putin: Snowden still in Moscow airport transit zone, won't be extradited
June 25, 2013
http://rt.com/news/putin-snowden-moscow-extradition-220/

Russian President says that former NSA contractor Edward Snowden is still in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport. Vladimir Putin says that any accusations of Russia related to Snowden are 'nonsense'.

Speaking to journalists in Finland, Putin said that there is no extradition treaty between Russia and the US.  He also said that Snowden did not commit any crime on the territory of Russia. 

"Snowden is a free person. The sooner he chooses his final destination, the better it is  for him and Russia," Putin said.

He also expressed hope that the Snowden saga would not have any effect on business relations  between Russia and the US.
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« Reply #292 on: June 25, 2013, 10:46:19 am »
A whistleblower’s argument
June 21, 2013
http://freespeechdebate.com/en/media/a-whistleblowers-argument/

"Edward Snowden was not the first NSA official to sound the alarm. Thomas Drake, winner of the Sam Adams Award for Integrity in Intelligence, makes his case to Free Speech Debate."

Drake:
"Here, something was flagged 5 days after 9/11, and I still remember listening to Cheney, on the 16th of September he said we're gonna need to go to the dark side, the dark side."
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« Reply #293 on: June 25, 2013, 11:02:33 am »
http://twitchy.com/2013/06/24/mick-jagger-zings-president-obama-at-d-c-concert/

Mick Jagger just said President Obama and everyone booed. And i'm not embellishing.

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« Reply #294 on: June 25, 2013, 01:22:38 pm »
Mr Bad Hair, Donald Trump, says Snowden should be Assassinated
http://www.infowars.com/donald-trump-says-snowden-should-be-assassinated/


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Trump’s lack of understanding of the Bill Of Rights and the Fourth Amendment will not come as a surprise to regular readers, given his attacks on former Congressman Ron Paul last year.






Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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« Reply #295 on: June 25, 2013, 01:39:29 pm »
http://twitchy.com/2013/06/24/mick-jagger-zings-president-obama-at-d-c-concert/

Mick Jagger just said President Obama and everyone booed. And i'm not embellishing.



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« Reply #296 on: June 25, 2013, 05:22:32 pm »
http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-gave-nsa-files-to-several-people-2013-6#ixzz2XGYR2JVN


  Snowden is making sure his story gets out there.

GLENN GREENWALD: Snowden Has Stashed Secret NSA Files With People All Over The World
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« Reply #297 on: June 25, 2013, 05:24:15 pm »
In a Global and Totalitarian war, Intelligence must be Global and Totalitarian.
-- William Joseph (Wild Bill) Donovan - OSS
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« Reply #298 on: June 25, 2013, 06:01:31 pm »
http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-gave-nsa-files-to-several-people-2013-6#ixzz2XGYR2JVN


  Snowden is making sure his story gets out there.

GLENN GREENWALD: Snowden Has Stashed Secret NSA Files With People All Over The World

Ya if Snowden is that close to telling anything new to the US people why hasn't he?. He doesn't have new NEWS for the Russians or Chinese either!


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Greenwald recently told CNN he knows Snowden "has in his possession thousands of documents, which, if published, would impose crippling damage on the United States’ surveillance capabilities and systems around the world.”

The fear is that Chinese or Russian intelligence have gained access or will gain access to classified files Snowden may have in his possession.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-copied-a-lot-of-nsa-files-2013-6#ixzz2XGsinkHI

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« Reply #299 on: June 25, 2013, 06:31:26 pm »
 Kerry is ranting, Snowden has put lives at risk as if E S was unAmerican, a threat to this nation, BLAH,BLAH,, he has all but targeted Snowden.
 
Johny is a NWO player and sticking with the elite script, Wikileaks spilled information some years ago, the same accusations were made, not one human was injured or put in danger due to their revelations!
   
No American has been put in harms way by Snowden, the only people effected will be those in high positions, the takeover artists.
 
                   

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« Reply #300 on: June 25, 2013, 06:42:22 pm »
Ya if Snowden is that close to telling anything new to the US people why hasn't he?. He doesn't have new NEWS for the Russians or Chinese either!


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-copied-a-lot-of-nsa-files-2013-6#ixzz2XGsinkHI
               Hi Jerry. Snowden is under a tad of pressure at this point in time, he may be running for his freedom and life.
What he as exposed, WE KNEW in generalities, snowden brought this info to the citizens who haven't didn't know, who are not in general interested unless their lifestyle is hit on. He has just reafirmed what truthers have been saying for years, to boot-confirming AJ is not some tinhatted finatic.
  That we , all of us  are seeking the bottom line truths and attempting to expose the abomination they have created.
                                              We want America back, this man does as well and laid it all on the line for us.

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« Reply #301 on: June 25, 2013, 07:17:05 pm »

From AJ's twitter



@RealAlexJones:
Is Edward Snowden a Double Agent? More tonight 7pmCT http://t.co/Snsrniw3yb http://t.co/XSOgShEDTO
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« Reply #302 on: June 25, 2013, 07:38:43 pm »
MSM propaganda has been manipulating for decades, it no no longe capaeable of this, they were involved, ´pols, gov employess, corporations banks, wall street, the elites, all of them.........  This subject is imploding the cause, it can't go down the memory hole, it will be attacked from every possilbe angle, but they won't succeed.

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« Reply #303 on: June 25, 2013, 08:10:06 pm »
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/06/25
Date: 06-25-13
Host: George Noory
Guests: Alex Jones, Christine Day 

First Half: Documentary filmmaker and alternative media activist Alex Jones speaks about the Edward Snowden case, NSA spying, and related topics.

LeeLoo Please Help

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57590753/reporters-chasing-edward-snowden-stranded-on-cuba-bound-plane/

Updated 8:28 p.m. ET

The continuing pursuit of elusive Edward Snowden left several journalists stranded at 30,000 feet after they boarded a plane from Moscow bound for Cuba - only to discover an empty seat booked in the NSA leaker's name.

An Aeroflot representative told The Associated Press that Snowden wasn't on flight SU150 to Havana, which was filled with journalists trying to track him down.

Journalists from around world embark on Moscow-Havana flight to "photograph an empty seat

According to the Guardian, the journalists' prolonged detour was exacerbated by another notable absence: Aeroflot no longer serves alcohol on Havana-bound flights. CBS News' Portia Siegelbaum reports at least one reporter, from Reuters, was allowed to leave the airport before the plane took off

According to the New York Times, several U.S. reporters were not allowed on the plane because they did not have the visa requirements to enter Cuba. Siegelbaum, who is stationed in Havana, says that Cuba's policy is not to allow journalists into the country unless they previously applied for and received journalist visas.

Siegelbaum guessed that "if the same plane has space, they will be sent back on it." Which would potentially mean another 6,000-mile flight with no Edward Snowden - and no booze.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/donald-trump-suggests-edward-snowden-should-be-executed-leaks
Donald Trump Suggests Edward Snowden Should Be Executed for Leaks
By Emily Smith, Mon, June 24, 2013

Donald Trump officially dismissed Edward Snowden as a traitor to the United States on Monday after reminding “Fox and Friends” viewers that spies were once executed for revealing sensitive information.

“This guy is a bad guy,” Trump said.
...
Some believe Snowden still resides in Moscow, where he fled after the United States filed for extradition during his Hong Kong stay.

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« Reply #304 on: June 26, 2013, 08:36:34 am »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  No booze and no Snowden on a flight from Moscow to Havana......LOL

  Who listens to Donald Trump?

  I will have to listen to the Noory-AJ interview.
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« Reply #305 on: June 26, 2013, 03:33:39 pm »
Donny trump said something along the lines " this isn't about money, its about winning the game" as if !

Why doesn't LIL Donny take a walk through the VA hospitols, or the streets of Iraq, Afhganistan,etc  and tell the suvivors its all a game.

Powermongers like this guy are likened to a kid in his playroom, and we are his toys. If he showed up in my town I wouldn't walk across the street to see this suckling.

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« Reply #306 on: June 27, 2013, 12:49:39 am »

Edward Snowden ‏@EJosephSnowden  3m 
The way Obamanoid vultures in the military-prison-media-industrial complex circled over Hastings, they stalk Glenn Greenwald. #ggscandals

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« Reply #307 on: June 27, 2013, 10:54:48 am »
 Ecuador, a nation the size of Nevada, BUT their currency is US green, that is the hitch isnt it.
 The business community are pizzing themselves, if Snowden is taken in what will happen to the economy, will the US regime impose sanctions, etc, etc, etc,...
 Of course they would like to see Snowden in a safe haven, but in order to do this they would face the dark side / the elites, their economy would in shambles. ITS Doubtfull they will allow that.
 

 

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« Reply #308 on: June 27, 2013, 11:11:58 am »
Ecuador quits U.S. trade deal to avoid 'blackmail' over Snowden


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QUITO, Ecuador -- Ecuador on Thursday announced it was withdrawing from a 2-decade-old trade pact with the United States, saying the agreement left the South American nation vulnerable to “blackmail” as U.S. officials seek the return of fugitive Edward Snowden.


The trade agreement was already at risk of not being renewed by the U.S. Congress before Ecuador began weighing whether to grant asylum to Snowden, the former contract worker for the National Security Agency who this month revealed extensive U.S. tracking of telephone communications and then fled from Hawaii to Hong Kong.

Snowden, 30, is now believed to be holed up at the transit section of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport while seeking a route to Ecuador or somewhere else that might grant him shelter.



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« Reply #309 on: June 27, 2013, 11:59:19 am »
 The elites muppet regime threatened this nation if aid was given to E.S.
 What are this guys options, surely he was aware the regime would stick a gun to Ecuadors head.
 If Ed is the real deal this is a serious problem for this man, any attempt at going underground are unrealistic. We can be srue there is a price on his head, any spotter gets big  bucks, besides he is now basically in in limbo, the void.
 Ther main issue here has been lost in this MSM hollywood shiite, this man gave the citizens the truth, for whatever reasons, now the regime is sitting back watching the results, tallying the percent of people who give a twit, privacy, uh,uh, corporate , political, elite manipulation in every manner.
 Do the numbers, how many cits give a shiiite, these worms crawled across the line decades past, they are now focusing on the results of public awarness and, its an NSA poll, who among the masses % realizes this NSA all seeing eye is traitorous.
 How many cits raised hell when no WMD's were found in IRAQ despite the fact American sons gave their lives and a few hundred thousand innocents were killed. How many folks found it upsttting to see LIL Johny hugging Al Q's, ya know the guys they say pulled of 911??                    Without honor, a free nation will not stand.

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« Reply #310 on: June 27, 2013, 05:38:08 pm »
By Alexandra Valencia and Brian Ellsworth (try to alyse this?)

QUITO, June 27 (Reuters) - Ecuador's leftist government thumbed its nose at Washington on Thursday by renouncing U.S. trade benefits and offering to pay for human rights training in America in response to pressure over asylum for former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

The angry response threatens a showdown between the two nations over Snowden, and may burnish President Rafael Correa's credentials to be the continent's principal challenger of U.S. power after the death of Venezuelan socialist leader Hugo Chavez.

"Ecuador will not accept pressures or threats from anyone, and it does not traffic in its values or allow them to be subjugated to mercantile interests," government spokesman Fernando Alvarado said at a news conference.


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« Reply #311 on: June 27, 2013, 05:57:23 pm »
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/  '
Paul Craig Roberts has put together a list of countries making public statements regarding Ed Snowden.
Hong Kong, Chinese, Russian, Ecuador, Cuba, Germany.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/06/25/a-new-beginning-without-washingtons-sanctimonious-mask-paul-craig-roberts/


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« Reply #312 on: June 27, 2013, 06:34:39 pm »
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/  '
Paul Craig Roberts has put together a list of countries making public statements regarding Ed Snowden.
Hong Kong, Chinese, Russian, Ecuador, Cuba, Germany.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/06/25/a-new-beginning-without-washingtons-sanctimonious-mask-paul-craig-roberts/

          Paul, you mentioned:What a stupid thing for Kerry to say. Here is a guy who once was for peace but who has been turned by NSA spying on his personal affairs into an asset for the NSA.          I knew this guys swift boat crew when Isolated during a shiitfight at their base, a couple of these guys served with him, he was a P.I.  (political influence) even his superiors knew this.
          While still in the boots I marched in WDC, VVAW. I met Kerry, we had words, he used the movement for exposure, a door in.......
For peace, no sir, this guy is a suckling first class, allways has been. Theres more, but thats the bottom line.

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« Reply #313 on: June 28, 2013, 07:31:26 pm »

... still not a big deal,
rarther a BIG YAWN, from
Greenwald & GUARDIAN. But,
hopefully they are 'leaking' this
info out one drop at a time to
educate the Zombie-sheep who
seemingly, have never heard any
of this stuff before:


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How the NSA is still harvesting your online data

Files show vast scale of current NSA metadata programs, with one stream
alone celebrating 'one trillion records processed'


Glenn Greenwald and Spencer Ackerman
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 27 June 2013 11.03 EDT

A review of top-secret NSA documents suggests that the surveillance agency still collects and sifts through large quantities of Americans' online data – despite the Obama administration's insistence that the program that began under Bush ended in 2011.

Shawn Turner, the Obama administration's director of communications for National Intelligence, told the Guardian that "the internet metadata collection program authorized by the Fisa court was discontinued in 2011 for operational and resource reasons and has not been restarted."

But the documents indicate that the amount of internet metadata harvested, viewed, processed and overseen by the Special Source Operations (SSO) directorate inside the NSA is extensive.

While there is no reference to any specific program currently collecting purely domestic internet metadata in bulk, it is clear that the agency collects and analyzes significant amounts of data from US communications systems in the course of monitoring foreign targets.

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The scale of the NSA's metadata collection is highlighted by references in the documents to another NSA program, codenamed ShellTrumpet.

On December 31, 2012, an SSO official wrote that ShellTrumpet had just "processed its One Trillionth metadata record".

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Another SSO entry, dated February 6, 2013, described ongoing plans to expand metadata collection. A joint surveillance collection operation with an unnamed partner agency yielded a new program "to query metadata" that was "turned on in the Fall 2012". Two others, called MoonLightPath and Spinneret, "are planned to be added by September 2013."

READ ARTICLE HERE ~~~> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-online-metadata-collection



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« Reply #315 on: June 28, 2013, 10:26:42 pm »


Snowden asked to brief Russian
parliament on US espionage


Russia’s parliament has invited former US National Security Agency
(NSA) contractor Edward Snowden to assist Moscow in investigating
whether US Internet firms gave information about Russian citizens
to Washington.


“We invite Edward Snowden to work with us and hope that as soon as he settles his legal status, he will collaborate with our working group and provide us with proof of US intelligence agencies’ access to the servers of Internet firms,” Russia’s Ria Novosti news agency quoted Senator Ruslan Gattarov as saying on Thursday.

Snowden is wanted by the United States on charges that are based on his extraction of classified documents from servers of the NSA - a move that led to revelations about the spy agency’s espionage programs, targeting millions of people.

Gattarov’s remarks come a day after Russia’s upper house of parliament decided to establish a special working group to launch a probe into Snowden’s claims. Gattarov will lead the group.

He told RIA Novosti that the group will include legislators, diplomats, prosecutors and communications officials. The preliminary results of its investigation are expected to be released in October.

Meanwhile, Kirill Kabanov, who is a member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Human Rights Council, has said that he had asked his colleagues to consider asking the Russian government to give Snowden political asylum.

The council’s chairman, Mikhail Fedotov, said the request would be considered and put to a vote.

Snowden, whose passport is revoked by Washington, has asked Ecuador for asylum. On June 24, the Ecuadorian foreign minister said his country is considering his request.

ARTICLE HERE ~~~> http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/28/311183/russia-offers-to-cooperate-with-snowden/

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« Reply #316 on: June 29, 2013, 09:30:07 am »
Lex Injusta Non Est Lex

Is Edward Snowden a Lawbreaker?
June 28-30, 2013 - SHELDON RICHMAN

Most people believe that Edward Snowden, who has confirmed that the U.S. government spies on us, broke the law. Even many of his defenders concede this.

While in one sense the statement “Snowden broke the law” may be trivially true, in another, deeper sense it is untrue. He may  have violated the terms of legislation passed by Congress and signed by a president (criminal intent would have to be proved), but a venerable line of thought says legislation is not the same thing as law. (F.A. Hayek drew the distinction, obviously, in Law, Legislation, and Liberty, volume 1: “Unlike law itself, which has never been ‘invented’ in the same sense, the invention of legislation came relatively late in the history of mankind.”) Legislation may reflect the law, but it may also contradict it. In this line of thought, which dates back to antiquity, “law” refers to natural law. Any legislative product that conflicts with the natural law, so this philosophical tradition holds, is no law at all.

Auburn University philosopher Roderick Long points out that the principle lex injusta non est lex— an unjust law is not a law —

"...was once, and indeed for over two millennia, the dominant position in western philosophy of law.… This doctrine was upheld by Socrates, Plato, and Xenophon, by the Stoics and by Cicero, by Augustine and Aquinas, and by Blackstone as well. The traditional idea was that law must be distinguished from mere force by its authority, and that nothing unjust could have genuine authority. [“Inside and Outside Spooner’s Jurisprudence”; link will download an unpublished paper in Word format.]"

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http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/28/is-edward-snowden-a-lawbreaker/#.Uc7gIFXptp0.twitter
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« Reply #317 on: June 29, 2013, 02:02:32 pm »
U.S. Army restricting access to the Guardian across all of their networks over security concerns
June 29th, 2013

(EndTheLie) – The U.S. Army has admitted to restricting access to the Guardian, the site that has reported extensively on National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance programs as of late, over “operational security” concerns.

Interestingly, the Army has a habit of blocking websites for reasons which are at times strange, including the official website for the Southern Baptist Convention, a Christian denomination with almost 16 million members.

The Army removed the block after public outcry; but during the time it was blocked, the user attempting to visit the site was informed that the site was blocked for hosting “hostile content,” according to documents obtained by Jason Smathers.

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« Reply #318 on: June 29, 2013, 07:24:49 pm »
Sasha, nice work.
  What realy hit me was this line:
According to Van Vleet, it is normal for the Department of Defense to take preventative “network hygiene” measures to inhibit unauthorized release of classified information.
  On a par with saying, investigative journalists( if any still exist) CAN WIPE THEIR backside WITH ANY MATERIALS THEY DEEM CLASSIFIED.

  Where do they come up with these phrases, teams of thinktankers?
At any rate this is simply a controll factor. News agencys wouldn't have the courage to print or report any deep shiite and the DOD knows it.

“We make every effort to balance the need to preserve information access with operational security,” he wrote in an email.

 

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« Reply #319 on: June 29, 2013, 07:59:42 pm »


Washington 'bugged key EU offices' - German magazine


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Germany's Der Spiegel magazine says it has seen a secret document showing the US has bugged EU offices in Washington and at UN headquarters in New York.

The paper says it was shown the 2010 "top secret" document by fugitive ex-security analyst Edward Snowden.

The US National Security Agency document allegedly outlined how it spied on EU internal computer networks, referring to the bloc as a "target".

An EU official said the claim could have a "severe impact" on EU-US ties.

"On behalf of the European Parliament, I demand full clarification and require further information speedily from the US authorities with regard to these allegations," Martin Schulz, the President of the European Parliament said in a statement, according to Reuters news agency.

The US has so far made no public comments on the Spiegel's claim.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23116055
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