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« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2017, 03:38:44 pm »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5207839/California-wildfire-largest-1932-Cal-Fire.html

REVEALED: California's Thomas Fire is now the state's largest EVER
The Thomas Fire that firefighters have battled for over two weeks is now the state's largest since at least 1932
The fire broke out on December 4 and burned 273,400 acres and destroyed 1,063 structures
It previously topped Cal Fire's list of the top 20 largest wildfires in the state
By Afp
Published: 23:20 EST, 22 December 2017  | Updated: 11:35 EST, 23 December 2017



https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/23/thomas-fire-now-ranks-as-largest-ever-wildfire-in-california-history.html

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Although a cold front and calmer winds have helped aid firefighters, the massive Thomas fire in Southern California now ranks as the state's largest-ever wildfire, Cal Fire said late Friday.

The flames have charred at least 273,400 acres, or more than 427 square miles
. That's slightly above the previous wildfire record of 273,246 acres from the 2003 Cedar blaze in San Diego.

"The Thomas Fire is now the largest wildfire in recorded California history," Cal Fire spokesman Brandon Vaccaro told CNBC late Friday. "The weather has been extremely cooperative, except for some winds we had earlier this week that were not bad."

As of Friday evening, the Thomas fire was 65 percent contained.

If the weather continues to cooperate, firefighters may be able to mop up the remaining portions of the wildfire shortly after Christmas, Vaccaro said. That would end the most destructive and deadly wildfire season in California history.
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The fire started Dec. 4 near the city of Santa Paula in Ventura County.
The cause of the blaze remains under investigation.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #161 on: December 24, 2017, 04:07:59 pm »
THIS is the California REWRITE ....

http://beta.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ventura-trauma-20171219-htmlstory.html
Landmarks in ashes, and of memory, confront fire victims in a traumatized Ventura
By Thomas Curwen
Dec 23, 2017 | 4:00 AM


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Initially they asked, “Did you lose your home?” Now it’s, “How are you doing?” in an understanding that possessions matter less than concerns of the heart.
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The residents of Ventura know they are lucky. Their city did not become another Santa Rosa with its myriad tragedies, but then again, they also know that not everyone in Ventura is feeling especially lucky.
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They believed they would be safe. They never imagined a fire like this would darken these December blue skies.
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Sparked in Santa Paula and pushed by Santa Ana winds, the Thomas fire streaked along the southern slopes of Sulfur Mountain. Consuming an acre a second, it crossed 11 canyons before reaching eastern Ventura late on the night of Dec. 4.
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On that Tuesday morning two weeks ago, flames rising 3 feet off the roof, he approached one of the 50 firefighters on the street, who told him that they would have to let the home burn.

“Why?” Jacobson asked.

“The hydrants are dry,” he was told — too much demand throughout the city — and they didn’t want to use the water in their trucks on a home so far gone.
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http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2017/12/24/crews-battle-barranca-fire-near-camino-real-park-ventura/979732001/
Crews battle barranca fire near Camino Real Park in Ventura
Staff reports Published 12:34 a.m. PT Dec. 24, 2017

Crews battled a fire early Sunday in a barranca in the 4300 block of Whittier Court in Ventura.

The fire was reported at 12:02 a.m. in eucalyptus trees in the barranca near Camino Real Park. The neighborhood is a few blocks south of Ventura College and about halfway between Telegraph Road and Highway 126.

Several units responded and discovered a 100-foot by 100-foot spot fire that was threatening three structures. Crews worked to get the residents out of the structures.
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Crews worked to get the residents out of the structures.

Forward progress of the fire was reported stopped at about 12:30 a.m., and it had been knocked down about 15 minutes later.


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http://downtownoxnard.org/calendar-item/remember-ventura-county-vietnam-back/
We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back

Presented by the Oxnard Film Society, a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization, We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back is a multimedia exhibit that tells the story of local Ventura County Vietnam Veterans experiences in the Vietnam War through photos and text, video interviews and documentaries.



On Nov 20, 2017, the Oxnard Film Society, a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization, will be opening an exhibition entitled, We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back in downtown Oxnard.

This multimedia exhibit tells the story of local Ventura County Vietnam Veterans experiences in the Vietnam War through photos and text, video interviews and documentaries. The presentation also includes a brief history of Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh, an overview of U.S. foreign diplomacy from FDR to Nixon, the Draft, the Tet Offensive, Anti-War Movement and concludes with a Memorial Wall. The mission of the exhibit is to thank local Vietnam Veterans for their service, to honor the veterans who died in the war and to provide a better understanding of the Vietnam War to students in high school and college and to the community of Oxnard and Ventura County.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-lists/ca-alpha.pdf

https://www.thedailybeast.com/states-with-the-most-war-casualties
States With the Most War Casualties
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California
Vietnam War: 5,575 deaths
Deaths per man 18-44: .19%
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #162 on: January 10, 2018, 10:33:50 am »
Well now the mudslide floods came ... again they could not get people out fast enough ( they should have been evacuated before the storms just in case KNOWING THAT THERE WAS IMMINENT MUDSLIDE DANGER ... BUT NOOO .... 15 dead and climbing .... These people are loopy

Updater .... they were warned to evacuate - but they didn't go !!!!  really ? ? ?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-ignored-evacuation-orders-before-mudslides-1515631602
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Of 1,200 people given mandatory evacuation orders in the Montecito area, only 200 heeded the warning to leave, said Shawn Boyd, a spokesman with the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, citing preliminary information.

“They all decided they didn’t want to go,” he said. WTF REALLY ? ... sound like bull to me ...

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahshow/rob-lowe-santa-barbara-home-video_1


https://apnews.com/67ec5e87bbb74130b7ddedc6f61c6fc8/Victim-search-expands-as-California-storm,-mudslides-kill-15
Death toll hits 15 in California mudslides; search goes on

MONTECITO, Calif. (AP) — The death toll from the mudslides that struck Southern California climbed to 15 on Wednesday as rescue crews searched for anyone trapped, injured or dead in the onslaught that smashed homes and swept away cars.

The drenching rainstorm that triggered the disaster cleared out and was no longer a hindrance as searchers made their way across a landscape strewn with boulders and covered shoulder-high in places with mud the consistency of wet cement.

“Right now our assets are focused on determining if anyone is still alive in any of those structures that have been damaged,” Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said.

He said that several dozen homes were destroyed or severely damaged, and that there are probably many more in similar condition in areas still inaccessible.

At least 15 people were confirmed dead, Santa Barbara County spokeswoman Yaneris Muniz said early Wednesday as the search continued through the night.

At least 25 people were injured, 50 or more had to be rescued by helicopters, and an undetermined number of others were missing, authorities said. Four of the injured were reported in severely critical condition.
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Most of the deaths occurred in and around Montecito, a wealthy enclave of about 9,000 people northwest of Los Angeles that is home to such celebrities as Oprah Winfrey, Rob Lowe and Ellen DeGeneres.

Winfrey’s home survived the mudslides. In an Instagram post on the same day many Democrats were talking about her for president because of her rousing speech at the Golden Globes, she shared photos of the deep mud in her backyard and video of rescue helicopters hovering over her house.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/902732/Montecito-mudslide-map-Oprah-Winfrey-s-house-Santa-Barbara

Oprah’s house, nicknamed “The Promised Land”, is located on a 42-acre site in Montecito with mountain and ocean views, says satellite imagery website virtualglobetrotting.com.

Varsity also reported that Oprah purchased a further $28.85 million to buy horse ranch Seamair Farm in February 2016. The 23.26 acre equestrian estate borders her current home.
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Which other celebrities live in Montecito?

Ellen DeGeneres, host of the The Ellen DeGeneres Show, and actor Rob Lowe are other famous residents of Montecito.
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Other famous people who live in the area include Al Gore, Patrick Stewart, Jane Seymour and Malcolm McDowell.

Ellen has reportedly bought a property next door to Oprah’s, entertainment website TMZ reported last month.
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Actor Rob Lowe, who starred in political drama The West Wing, is one celebrity who lives in Montecito.

He tweeted: “Mourning the dead in our little town tonight. Praying for the survivors and preparing for whatever may come. #Montecito”


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So people in "voluntary" evac zones really know the danger ?  I don't think so

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5258933/Heartbreak-man-searches-mother-Montecito.html
17 swept to their deaths

... "mandatory and voluntary evacuation zones. "

Sawyer Corey, 12, and Morgan Corey, 25, were swept away from their home. Their mother and other sister was rescued
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #163 on: January 12, 2018, 11:46:01 am »
Now the death toll maybe up with the Napa Fires :

43 people are missing Plus the 17 confirmed dead ...

The MSM continues to bury the stories and the dead

It is still unclear to me who was killed , were they voluntary evacs refusniks or mandatory ,..

notice this cnn story only saying mandatory ... ? did these people get the word ? did they know the danger ?
 


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/us/southern-california-mudslides/index.html

 (CNN)As teams frantically searched areas of Southern California smothered by rivers of mud and boulders, officials on Thursday increased the size of the evacuation zones.

The immediate areas where at least 17 people were killed are under mandatory evacuation, Santa Barbara
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At an afternoon news conference Sheriff Bill Brown  said as many as 43 people could be considered missing.

Authorities have not confirmed that many people are unaccounted for, he said, but are looking into reports from phone calls, social media and message boards.
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"We certainly are searching for a miracle right now," he said.

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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #164 on: May 05, 2018, 01:44:58 pm »
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/homes-and-structures-destroyed-in-tinder-fire/article_c6c74342-971e-5832-8635-90dab87c8cdb.html
41 homes and structures destroyed in Tinder Fire
  EMERY COWAN Sun Staff Reporter May 3, 2018 Updated May 3, 2018


This April 29, 2018 aerial photo provided by the U.S. Forest Service shows a wildfire burning in north-central Arizona. The wildfire has grown and firefighters expect that winds and dry conditions may cause it to increase in size. (U.S. Forest Service, Coconino National Forest via AP)

At least 41 homes and structures have been severely damaged or destroyed by the Tinder Fire that continues to burn in the Blue Ridge area, about 50 miles southeast of Flagstaff, according to the latest surveys by Coconino County.

“In the last 20 years this is the most catastrophic event the county has seen as far as home loss or damage to property,” county spokesman Matt Rudig said, adding that his statement is based on the information the county has right now.

Of the homes that were affected, most were second homes, Rudig said.

The county is planning a staged reentry for the hundreds of residents evacuated due to the fire, starting with residents whose homes were lost or heavily damaged.
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Officials have determined the cause of the Tinder Fire, which started Friday, was an abandoned campfire that the Forest Service determined was illegal, but investigators have not found the person responsible.

The Forest Service put out a call for information from anyone who was in the area of Forest Road 95 near the origin of the Tinder Fire on April 27 and may have information that could help the investigation. People should call Forest Service Law Enforcement at (928) 527-3511.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #165 on: June 11, 2018, 09:25:35 am »
And another fire season begins ...  and new links :

https://www.fs.fed.us/science-technology/fire/information

InciWeb is an interagency all-risk incident information management system. The web-based program provides information for wildland fire emergencies and prescribed fires, but can also be used for other natural disasters and emergency incidents such as earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.

The system was developed with two primary missions:

    Provide the public a single source of incident related information; and
    Provide a standardized reporting tool for the public affairs community

Official announcements include evacuations, road closures, news releases, maps, photographs, and basic information and current situation about the incident.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-fire/probe-finds-pge-power-lines-sparked-deadly-2017-california-wildfires-idUSKCN1J501C
Probe finds PG&E power lines sparked deadly 2017 California wildfires
June 8, 2018

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A dozen of the wind-driven blazes that swept northern California?s wine country last fall, killing 46 people in the deadliest firestorm in state history, were sparked by PG&E-owned power lines, state officials said on Friday.
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The findings could have tremendous implications for the San Francisco-based utility company in terms of potential legal liability for one of California?s most lethal and costly disasters.
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The agency?s investigation covered 12 individual blazes accounting for much of the conflagrations that erupted the night of Oct. 8 and raced across several counties north of San Francisco, collectively dubbed the North Bay Fires, or the October 2017 Fire Siege.

The firestorm claimed 46 lives, scorched at least 245,000 acres (99,148 hectares), and incinerated 8,900 homes and other structures, including entire subdivisions in the Sonoma County town of Santa Rosa. An estimated 100,000 people were placed under evacuation orders and the region?s renowned wine-making region was thrown into turmoil.

The state?s insurance commissioner put insured losses from the tragedy at $9 billion.
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Causes cited by CalFire included downed power lines and trees blown into electrical wires ? all equipment owned by PG&E ? during the course of fierce winds that roared through the region to spread the resulting flames with unprecedented speed.

Code violations were alleged in eight of the 12 fires under examination, CalFire said.
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PG&E said it meets or exceeds regulatory requirements for maintaining its utility poles, inspecting every electric transmission and distribution line at least once a year and pruning or removing some 1.4 million trees annually.
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https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/10/colorado-wildfires-rage-statewide/
Colorado wildfires rage statewide, new blazes likely as firefighters brace for hot bone-dry conditions and wind gusts through mid week

The 416 Fire burns north of Hermosa, Colo., 10 miles north of Durango, Thursday, June 7, 2018.
By Bruce Finley | [email protected] | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: June 10, 2018 at 7:21 pm

Colorado firefighters braced for continued difficult wind and dry heat through mid-week as they battled multiple out-of-control blazes Sunday, including the 416 fire north of Durango, which doubled in size during the weekend and has devoured more than 16,000 acres of wilderness.

Another wildfire in southwestern Colorado near Dolores has expanded to nearly 500 acres, forcing closure of the Colorado Trail.
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The bone-dry conditions favored new fires any moment around the Rocky Mountain region. Temperatures on Sunday in the mountains topped 85 degrees and unpredictable wind gusts whooshing through grass and timber created ideal conditions for flames.

Weather forecasters were anticipating possible rain on Wednesday or Thursday, with spikes in humidity sooner, which could calm flames.
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While more than 2,200 residents have been evacuated, some for a week, no structures have been damaged and nobody?s been hurt, Bawden said.

?Few nerves are frayed. Everybody?s going through this thing very well.?

?It is burning in the wilderness now. But this is a full-suppression wildfire,? he said. As he spoke just west of the Animas River, winds were picking up, gusting to 35 mph, kicking up thick smoke. ?It is just extreme dry conditions: Drought and wind.?
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Other wildfires that broke out over the weekend included an 80-acre blaze near Canon City in Fremont County.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #166 on: July 27, 2018, 12:51:00 pm »
This kind of reminds me of the highway deaths caused by US- I-80 over the sierras ... thousands of deaths over the decades due to poor conditions ... finally ... they spent millions to improve I-80 over the sierras ,,, But it took thousands of deaths before the bureaucrat sob's would open the wallet ...   

https://abcnews.go.com/US/northern-california-wildfire-taking-path/story?id=56859441
Deadly Northern California wildfire 'taking down everything in its path,' spawning firenadoes
By Justin Doom
Jul 27, 2018

The Carr Fire in Northern California that has claimed the life of a bulldozer operator and injured at least three firefighters is "taking everything down in its path," a fire official said.


A burning home is reflected in a pool during the Carr fire in Redding, Calif., July 27, 2018.

Scott McLean, a spokesman for the crews battling the blaze, also told the Associated Press that the explosive wildfire has destroyed dozens of homes and reached the city of Redding.

Winds reaching 60 mph are creating firenadoes strong enough to overturn vehicles, authorities said.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #167 on: July 28, 2018, 07:49:28 pm »

President Trump Declares California
Emergency After Carr Fire Tornado

CHRISS W. STREET - 28 Jul 2018

President Trump on Saturday declared a California emergency after the Carr Fire that became a tornado and roared into Redding killing 2 firefighters, burning 80,906 acres, causing 38,000 evacuations and threatening another 4,978 structures.

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The move authorizes the Federal Emergency Management Agency to release disaster response equipment and resources, plus authorizes U.S. military personnel and Defense Department assets to be utilized.

.... Cal Fire reported at 8 a.m. on Saturday morning that 21 major fires are burning in California. The Carr Fire that started Monday morning due to mechanical failure of a vehicle almost doubled in the last 24 hours to about 126 square miles.

https://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/07/28/trump-declares-california-emergency-after-carr-fire-tornado/
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #168 on: July 30, 2018, 01:58:27 pm »
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires-animals/retired-marine-rescues-horses-from-raging-california-wildfire-idUSKBN1KJ09T
Retired Marine rescues horses from raging California wildfire
July 29, 2018

COTTONWOOD, Calif. (Reuters) - Tucker Zimmerman has gotten little sleep during the raging deadly fire in Shasta County, California. The retired U.S. Marine has rushed into a new battle, as a volunteer rescuing stranded horses and other livestock.

?I?m just the guy who moves stuff around,? he said modestly. The ?stuff? he speaks of refers to the panicked horses and other livestock he wrangles out of harm?s way when they get left behind after the humans have fled.
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Zimmerman is not alone. Communicating through social media, text messages, radio and word-of-mouth, a network of animal lovers and animal-control authorities have banded together over the past few days to rescue as many stranded critters as possible.
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?I saved a guy named Matt. He was trying to water down his house? as flames erupted, Zimmerman recalled. ?I said, ?Let?s go!??
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« Reply #169 on: July 31, 2018, 11:02:02 am »
drudgereport.com


Wildfires barrel toward California lake towns...
Threaten 10,000 homes...
Firefighters Battling Fatigue...
More evacuations...
Record-breaking heat brings unprecedented destruction...
Video shows massive blazing cloud...
Map of flames...


https://apnews.com/c5b1b97ca92a40ce965c339922086208/Wildfires-barrel-toward-Northern-California-lake-towns
Northern California wildfire 9th most destructive in history
By MARCIO JOSE SANCHEZ and SUDHIN THANAWALA
Today

LAKEPORT, Calif. (AP) ? A pair of wildfires that prompted evacuation orders for nearly 20,000 people barreled Monday toward small lake towns in Northern California, and authorities faced questions about how quickly they warned residents about the largest and deadliest blaze burning in the state.

Ed Bledsoe told CBS News he did not receive any warning to evacuate his home in the city of Redding before the flames came through last week and killed his wife, Melody, and his great-grandchildren, 5-year-old James Roberts and 4-year-old Emily Roberts.

?If I?d have any kind of warning, I?d have never, ever left my family in that house,? Bledsoe said.

Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko told the network there?s an investigation into whether the Bledsoe home received a warning call or a knock on the door. The sheriff cited evidence that door-to-door notifications were made in the area. Bosenko did not return a message from The Associated Press on Monday.
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By early evening, the town of Lakeport seemed to be completely deserted, while a few miles away embers, ash and smoke swirled through vineyards where at least one home had gone up in flames. Firefighters set blazes at the bottom of hills in order to burn up the tinder-dry brush before flames cresting the ridge tops could feed on it and surge downhill. A fleet of aircraft made continuous water and fire retardant drops on the blaze.

Those fires were among 17 burning across the state, where fire crews were stretched to the limit.
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Derick Hughes II did not heed the order and remained behind at his property in Nice, California, where he ran sprinklers on his roof and removed yard plants that could catch fire.

The 32-year-old Marine Corps veteran sent his wife and two daughters to safety along with three carloads of belongings. But he said he had too much at stake to leave himself. He bought his three-bedroom house last year using a loan from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

?This is everything I bled for, and I?ve worked really hard to get to where I am, and I?m just not willing to give it up so easily,? he said over the phone. ?Some people may think that?s selfish of me, and I have insurance. But the way things go, I?d rather not start over.?

Hughes said about five of his neighbors also disobeyed the evacuation text alert they got Sunday evening to protect their homes and keep looters out.

Farther north, police said five people were arrested on suspicion of entering areas evacuated due to the explosive wildfire around Redding.
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Authorities also use electronic warning systems, including an emergency alert system that is repeated by local news media and an automated calling system that can be targeted to phones within a geographic area. Another method known as the Integrated Public Alert & Warning System can be directed to any cellphone within reach of a particular transmission tower, said Sherry Bartolo, operations manager for the Shasta County dispatch center.

The drawback of the automated calling system is that it is designed to dial landlines, but cellphone users must register their phones if they are to receive alerts, she said.

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Thanawala reported from San Francisco. Associated Press writers Lorin Eleni Gill and Olga Rodriguez also contributed to this report.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #170 on: August 02, 2018, 01:29:53 pm »
https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/national/as-fires-burn-faster-emergency-alerts-fail-to-keep-pace/article_a88986a2-cc77-5d33-9615-09a3226181f0.html
As fires burn faster, emergency alerts fail to keep pace
    By Joseph Serna and Louis Sahagun Los Angeles Times (TNS) Aug 2, 2018

REDDING, Calif. ? It was a week ago when the Carr fire barreled out of the foothills and took aim at this city, with hot winds launching embers well ahead of the main blaze and engulfing neighborhoods along bends in the Sacramento River.

When the flames approached western Redding, Shasta County officials issued mandatory evacuation orders. But those warnings may not have reached everyone amid the chaos. A woman and her two great-grandchildren were trapped in their home when the fire hit. She placed a wet blanket on the kids and huddled over them, but that was no match for the Carr fire. All three died.

Authorities said they did everything they could to alert residents to the coming danger ? using social media, reverse 911 calls and public announcements. But, officials acknowledged, there may have been shortfalls given the ferocious nature of the fire that night.

?It?s highly possible they didn?t get a notification,? said Sherry Bartolo, operations manager for Shasta County?s emergency dispatch system. ?In my 38-year career, I?ve never had anything that was that devastating to my staff. Now I know what Napa and Santa Rosa and those agencies went through. I couldn?t imagine it until I went through it.?

The four civilian deaths in the Carr fire ? including a man Sunday with serious medical problems whose family said he was unable to get out without assistance ? add to an unprecedented year of loss.

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The policies have CREATED the HAVAC ,,, The chemical spraying has created it ... but it's not real ( unless it's admitted)  is it ?
So BILLIONS are to be spent on Agenda21 policies ...


No those are not CHEMTRAILS .. nonononono



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/08/02/carr-fire-california-wildfires-get-worse-gov-jerry-brown-says/887646002/
California wildfires roar into 'uncharted territory,' fueled by climate change
Jim Schultz,Chelcey Adami and John Bacon, USA TODAY Published 9:54 a.m. ET Aug. 2, 2018

REDDING, Calif. ? The surging wildfires raging across Northern California represent a "new normal" and the state must be prepared to spend billions  of dollars dousing, containing and trying to curb them in the future, Gov. Jerry Brown said.
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"We are in a new [AB-] normal," Brown said. "We are in for a really rough ride."

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jerry-brown-fire-fueling-heat-worse-than-since-civilization-emerged-10000-years-ago/
Jerry Brown: Fire-Fueling Heat Worst 'Since Civilization Emerged 10,000 Years Ago'
By Bridget Johnson August 1, 2018
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Along with a bulldozer contract employee and a Redding firefighter killed in the Carr Fire, the captain of a wildland hotshots team and a Cal Fire heavy equipment operator have been killed in the Ferguson fire burning near Yosemite in Mariposa County. The more than 62,000-acre blaze was 39 percent contained this afternoon.

At a state Office of Emergency Services press conference today, Brown said firefighters would have to adapt to increasingly severe wildfires in the years to come because of climate change.

?We?re fighting nature with the amount of material we?re putting in the environment, and that material traps heat, and the heat fosters fires, and the fires keep burning," he said.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #171 on: August 02, 2018, 01:44:19 pm »
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Wildfires barrel toward California lake towns...
Threaten 10,000 homes...
Firefighters Battling Fatigue...
More evacuations...
Record-breaking heat brings unprecedented destruction...
Video shows massive blazing cloud...
Map of flames...


https://apnews.com/c5b1b97ca92a40ce965c339922086208/Wildfires-barrel-toward-Northern-California-lake-towns
Northern California wildfire 9th most destructive in history
By MARCIO JOSE SANCHEZ and SUDHIN THANAWALA
Today

LAKEPORT, Calif. (AP) ? A pair of wildfires that prompted evacuation orders for nearly 20,000 people barreled Monday toward small lake towns in Northern California, and authorities faced questions about how quickly they warned residents about the largest and deadliest blaze burning in the state.

Ed Bledsoe told CBS News he did not receive any warning to evacuate his home in the city of Redding before the flames came through last week and killed his wife, Melody, and his great-grandchildren, 5-year-old James Roberts and 4-year-old Emily Roberts.

?If I?d have any kind of warning, I?d have never, ever left my family in that house,? Bledsoe said.

Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko told the network there?s an investigation into whether the Bledsoe home received a warning call or a knock on the door. The sheriff cited evidence that door-to-door notifications were made in the area. Bosenko did not return a message from The Associated Press on Monday.
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By early evening, the town of Lakeport seemed to be completely deserted, while a few miles away embers, ash and smoke swirled through vineyards where at least one home had gone up in flames. Firefighters set blazes at the bottom of hills in order to burn up the tinder-dry brush before flames cresting the ridge tops could feed on it and surge downhill. A fleet of aircraft made continuous water and fire retardant drops on the blaze.

Those fires were among 17 burning across the state, where fire crews were stretched to the limit.
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Derick Hughes II did not heed the order and remained behind at his property in Nice, California, where he ran sprinklers on his roof and removed yard plants that could catch fire.

The 32-year-old Marine Corps veteran sent his wife and two daughters to safety along with three carloads of belongings. But he said he had too much at stake to leave himself. He bought his three-bedroom house last year using a loan from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

?This is everything I bled for, and I?ve worked really hard to get to where I am, and I?m just not willing to give it up so easily,? he said over the phone. ?Some people may think that?s selfish of me, and I have insurance. But the way things go, I?d rather not start over.?

Hughes said about five of his neighbors also disobeyed the evacuation text alert they got Sunday evening to protect their homes and keep looters out.

Farther north, police said five people were arrested on suspicion of entering areas evacuated due to the explosive wildfire around Redding.
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Authorities also use electronic warning systems, including an emergency alert system that is repeated by local news media and an automated calling system that can be targeted to phones within a geographic area. Another method known as the Integrated Public Alert & Warning System can be directed to any cellphone within reach of a particular transmission tower, said Sherry Bartolo, operations manager for the Shasta County dispatch center.

The drawback of the automated calling system is that it is designed to dial landlines, but cellphone users must register their phones if they are to receive alerts, she said.

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Thanawala reported from San Francisco. Associated Press writers Lorin Eleni Gill and Olga Rodriguez also contributed to this report.

I can add that to the STILL tread

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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #172 on: August 06, 2018, 04:34:16 pm »
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1594592/army-engineers-to-battle-western-wildfires/
Army Engineers to Battle Western Wildfires
    Aug. 6, 2018
 By Jim Garamone
DoD News, Defense Media Activity

WASHINGTON --

Two hundred active-duty soldiers from Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington, will join firefighting lines as early as Aug. 13, Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Robert Manning III told reporters today.

The soldiers -- from the 14th Engineer Battalion -- will be organized in 10 crews of 20 each, Manning said. They will all be assigned the same fire.

?Currently, four military C-130 [Hercules aircraft] equipped with modular airborne firefighting systems are serving as large air tankers and are operating from Sacramento?s McClellan Airport in California,? he said. An RC-26 Metroliner aircraft, he added, is also helping the Forest Service to detect and monitor wildfires in the Western states. That aircraft flies from Spokane, Washington.

The National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho, requested the active-duty military help. Thousands of National Guardsmen throughout the region are already involved with the fire-fighting effort.

High Level of Wildfire Activity

There are more than 134 wildfires now burning on about 1.6 million acres in 11 western states.

The NIFC has placed the national preparedness level at 5 -- the highest level. This indicates a high level of wildfire activity and a high level of commitment of wildfire suppression assets.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #173 on: August 07, 2018, 05:24:37 am »
The question is how much of it is DEW
And what ya go-na do about it?
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« Reply #174 on: August 08, 2018, 10:03:59 am »
I find it interesting that they blame these fire on "climate change" ... Let's see, the Dust Bowl was created by a seven year drought and now the same area is fine ...  the dust bowl was created by BAD FARMING PRACTICES , NOT CLIMATE CHANGE ,,,,

Now could it be the for the last fifty years the west has been practicing decades of BAD LAND MANAGEMENT ?

That and now there seems to be an  ARMY OF PYROMANIACS


https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-scorched-raging-wildfires-size-la-161806349.html
California scorched by raging wildfires
Josh Edelson
,AFP? August 8, 2018

Mendocino (United States) (AFP) - Thousands of firefighters battled relentless flames ripping across California on Wednesday, as the death toll from a series of infernos that erupted last month hit 11.

The raging Mendocino Complex fire comprising twin blazes in the state's north has now ravaged almost 300,000 acres (120,000 hectares) -- approximately the size of sprawling Los Angeles -- in less than two weeks, becoming California's largest wildfire since record-keeping began a century ago.

Some 14,000 firefighters, including reinforcements from as far away as Australia and New Zealand, are combating the firestorm which remains just 34 percent contained.

The River Fire of the Mendocino Complex is 78 percent contained, having burned 48,920 acres. But its partner blaze the Ranch Fire has grown to 243,772 acres and is just 20 percent contained.

"Still a lot of work to do," said Charlie Blankenheim, a chief of fire fighting operations. "But we have got a plan for all of it, we think that in a day or two we are going to have some success and start to wrap this up."
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In the state's south near San Diego, hundreds of personnel were deploying to tackle the fast-moving Holy Fire in the Cleveland National Forest.

After igniting in a relatively small area on Monday afternoon, it mushroomed to 4,000 acres and is spreading, according to the US Forest Service.

Two other national forests in the counties of Los Angeles and Ventura were on high alert because of searing temperatures, strong winds and parched vegetation.

"If fire ignition occurs, conditions are favorable for very rapid fire spread," the National Weather Service warned in a statement, saying "extreme fire behavior" could "threaten life and property."
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« Reply #175 on: August 10, 2018, 09:54:37 pm »
So you think I'm exaggerating about pyromaniacs ...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/california-fires/index.html
Fire chief: Suspect in Holy Fire that put 20,000 under evacuation order texted, 'The place is going to burn'
By Eliott C. McLaughlin, Stella Chan and Madison Park, CNN
Updated 10:40 PM ET, Thu August 9, 2018

The man accused of starting a Southern California blaze that forced the evacuation of 20,000 residents sent a text to a volunteer fire chief two weeks ago saying, "The place is going to burn," the chief said Thursday.
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Holy Jim Volunteer Fire Department Chief Mike Milligan, 71, says he's known the arson suspect, Forrest Gordon Clark, for decades and has long warned that he posed a danger to the community.

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Clark is being held at the Orange County Jail on $1 million bail and is expected to make a court appearance Friday.
According to a criminal complaint filed Thursday, he is charged with aggravated arson, arson of inhabited property, arson of forest, criminal threats, two counts of resisting and deterring an executive officer, and arson burning multiple structures.
The charges being leveled against Clark carry a maximum sentence of life in prison, said Susan Schroeder of the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #176 on: August 11, 2018, 10:47:28 am »
Some has been reading this thread finally ... of course its more complicated then the title of the article ... 
Whats a "environmentalist" ? a globalist operative stooge?


https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/10/delingpole-dont-blame-trump-for-the-california-wildfires-blame-environmentalists/
Delingpole: Don?t Blame Trump for the California Wildfires ? Blame Environmentalists!

10 Aug 2018624
All the usual leftist suspects ? CNN, WaPo, Sen. Kamala Harris, Governor Moonbeam ? are trying to blame ?climate change? and even Donald Trump for the wildfires ravaging California.

But guess who is really to blame?

That?s right: the usual leftist suspects.

Specifically the culprits are all those environmental campaigners, eco lobbyists, green NGOs, lawyers and politicians responsible turning California and the Pacific Northwest into a gigantic fire hazard.

Forests need management to stay healthy: they need thinning to promote strong, disease-free growth; they need accumulated dry brush to be cleared to avoid the risk of wildfires; they need firebreaks to stop fires getting out of control; they need managed burns in order to stave off the savage incendiary fury of the kind of wildfires that burn so hot they turn the entire area into a barren wasteland.

Not so long ago, this vital work was carried out by the forestry industry ? at little or no cost to the taxpayer.

But then the environmentalists successfully made ?logging? a dirty word. And suddenly that vital management came to halt.

As well as killing people, these greenies have also killed jobs, communities, local economies; they have killed wildlife and trees that need never have been destroyed on such a scale.

These greenies have blood on their hands. And they have done nothing to benefit the natural world they claim to respect.

But finally, the United States has an administration with the insight and the will to take on these monsters ? who for decades have been doing so much harm to America?s economy, environment and people.

Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke is a shining example of this new breed ? as he demonstrates in this opinion piece for USA Today.


    There are currently about 100 wildfires burning across the west, forcing tens of thousands of people to evacuate. Many have lost all but the clothes on their backs. We are just now hitting the peak of a traditional fire season and already this year we have seen about 5 million acres of land and thousands of structures destroyed. We?ve lost friends and neighbors, including firefighters who dropped everything to respond to the call to duty. Their service and sacrifice will never be forgotten.

    The fires are burning hotter and more intense, due in part to hot and dry weather and in part to the fuels that overload our forests. These fuels fill forests from the floor, where highly-combustible, dry pine needles act as kindling to jump-start the tiniest spot fire, all the way up to the crown where beetle-killed trees dot the mountains like matches. In between the floor and the crown, there are years? worth of dead logs, overgrown shrubs and snags, which many firefighters call ?widow makers? because they are so deadly. The buildup of fuels is the condition we can and must reverse through active forest management like prescribed burns, mechanical thinning and timber harvests.

 Zinke has nailed it. This isn?t Republican buck-passing ? as the left would no doubt wish to characterize it. It?s a plain-spoken acknowledgement of a festering evil which should have been addressed decades ago: the capture of America?s landscape and huge swathes of its natural resources by deep green, anti-capitalist, anti-human ideologues ? heavily backed with money from liberal billionaires like Ted Turner [ one of america's BILLIONAIRE LARGEST LAND OWNERS] .
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Environmentalism kills jobs, kills nature, kills people. We should never forget this.

Nor should we forget that it?s generally conservatives ? who understand and live with nature, whether as farmers or hunters or landowners ? who make the best conservationists.
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