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Bush says no compromise possible on telecom immunity in surveillance bill
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2008/02/bush-says-no-compromise-possible-on.php
Alexis Unkovic at 6:26 PM ET

   

[JURIST] US President George W. Bush Thursday reiterated his call for Congress to extend the temporary Protect America Act [S 1927 materials; JURIST report], which expired on Saturday without an agreement in Congress on replacement legislation, and said he can foresee "no compromise" with Congressional Democrats on the issue of immunity for telecommunications companies [JURIST report] from lawsuits related to their participation in the NSA warrantless surveillance program [JURIST news archive]. The Senate passed [JURIST report] the FISA Amendments Act [S 2248 materials] on February 13, but the House of Representatives did not approve the bill before leaving for a 12-day recess. The version approved by the Senate provides immunity for telecommunications companies, while the House version [HR 3773 materials] of the legislation, approved [JURIST report] in November, does not include the immunity provisions. AP has more.

The FISA Amendments Act, supplementary to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) [text], would make it easier for the government to monitor foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States. In the absence of new legislation, the government can get an order from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor calls and e-mails, set up under FISA. Amendment supporters have rejected this option, saying it creates too much red tape. Strong critics of the legislation, including Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT) [official website], have deplored its retroactive grant of immunity to participating telecom companies as an effective endorsement of warrantless wiretapping contrary to the rule of law
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Re: Congress back in session...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 09:13:54 am »
House defies Bush fear tactics                 
http://www.pww.org/index.php/article/articleview/12540/1/411
People's Weekly World Newspaper, 02/21/08 15:37

 

The House of Representatives went into recess for 10 days Feb. 15 without acting on President George W. Bush’s demand that they extend his sweeping authority to engage in warrantless spying under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Bush’s legislation also granted retroactive immunity to AT&T, Verizon and other telecommunications companies that collaborated in spying on innocent Americans.

The day before they went home, the lawmakers voted 223 to 32 to hold in contempt two of Bush’s closest advisers—White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten and White House Counsel Harriet Miers for hiding behind Bush’s claim of “executive privilege” in refusing to testify about the White House role in the Dec. 7, 2006, firing of seven U.S. attorneys. The mass firings, critics charge, was an attempt to turn officials in the Justice Department into gendarmes of the Republican, corporate, rightwing agenda, especially to enforce GOP election dominance.

Bolten and Miers defied repeated House and Senate subpoenas last year ordering them to appear and testify. The Bush administration offered to let the officials testify as long they were not under oath and no transcript was taken. During debate on the contempt resolution, Feb. 14, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) retorted, “This is beyond arrogance. It is hubris taken to its ultimate degree.”

That contempt citation and the refusal to be stampeded on FISA were a clear signal that House Democrats have decided to stand and fight Bush fear and intimidation tactics in a crucial election year.

The extraordinary powers to intercept without warrants e-mails and telephone calls under FISA was approved last August as part of the misnamed “Protect America Act.” It was set to expire Feb. 16. Bush demanded that the lawmakers approve his bill making permanent his authority to engage in this spying, claiming the nation faces terror strikes that would make the Sept. 11, 2001, attack “pale by comparison.”

House Intelligence Committee Chair Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) told his colleagues, “I for one, do not intend to back down – not to the terrorists and not to anyone, including a president who wants us to cower in fear. We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution.”

Earlier, the Senate voted 68 to 29 to rubberstamp Bush’s bill. Senators shot down an amendment by Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) to remove language granting immunity from lawsuits for corporations that went along with the electronic spying.

The showdown in the Senate came just before the Feb. 12 “Potomoc Primary.” Republican Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) returned from presidential campaigning to vote for Bush’s spy bill. “We need it,” McCain said. “I think it’s disgraceful that the House did not act and this is going to lapse.”

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) was campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination in the nation’s capital but did not return to the Senate to vote against the FISA bill.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) came to the Senate floor and voted in support of a filibuster against the repressive bill. The Illinois Senator, frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, praised the “grassroots movement” that has “pushed this issue to the forefront…You have sent a message to the halls of power that the American people will not permit the abuse of power.”

Obama vowed when elected president “to stand with you in the fights to come” in defense of the Constitution and the rule of law.

Even Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) admitted in an NPR interview that Bush was engaging in scare tactics. The original FISA legislation extended warrantless surveillance authority until at least August or September. The “real issue,” McConnell said, “is liability protection for the private sector.”

Democratic leaders attempted to push through a temporary 21-day extension of the FISA program without language immunizing AT&T and Verizon. But 195 Republicans voted no, and Bush vowed to veto it.

MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann praised the lawmakers for going into recess, “leaving Bush to twist slowly, slowly in a wind of his own making.” Bush’s threat to veto the 21-day extension proves the fakery of his “daily message of fear” that the Democrats were leaving the nation open to terrorism, he said.

“You’re a fascist,” Olbermann snapped. “One thing we know about Big Brother, Mr. Bush, is that he — you — is a liar…We will not fear because Mr. George W. Bush wants us to fear.”

Caroline Frederickson, legislative director of the American Civil Liberties Union spoke in somewhat more sedate language. “The House leadership has shown real courage by standing up to the President, in the face of misleading attacks and intimidation and they must be commended,” she said at a Washington news conference.
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 09:14:49 am »
Republicans Shun Wiretap and Telecom Amnesty Compromise Meeting
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/republicans-shu.html
By Ryan Singel February 21, 2008 | 7:18:15 PMCategories: NSA   

Congressional Republicans boycotted a meeting Thursday that was supposed to begin negotiations over how to reconcile differences between the House and Senate version of bills expanding the government's powers to wiretap inside the United States without court orders.

Democrats said they were meeting in good faith to work out differences in the new spying authorities and whether to give amnesty to telecoms that helped the Bush Administration spy on Americans and foreigners, using wiretaps inside the United States without court approval.

"[W]e are using this week to work on a compromise that strengthens our national security and protects Americans' privacy," according to a statement from House and Senate Judiciary and Intelligence leaders. "Unfortunately, we understand our Republican counterparts instructed their staffs not to attend this working meeting, therefore not allowing progress to be made in a bipartisan, bicameral way."

Kit Bond (R-Missouri) , the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, issued his own statement, making clear the Republicans weren't budging on their position that the House should simply adopt the Senate bill, with its wide spying powers and telecom amnesty.

"The time for excuses and more meetings is over," Bond said. "Today’s so-called bicameral staff meeting is nothing more than a partisan attempt by Democratic staff at the 11th hour to dismantle the bipartisan compromise that a majority of the Senate and the House support."

The exchange highlights the enmity that continues to fester as Republicans push to neuter the warrantless wiretapping issue by having Congress largely legalize the secret program and obliterate the 40-odd lawsuits pending against the telecoms for violating federal privacy law.

The meeting was supposed to be the first for staffers and was not an "official" meeting under Congress's rules for resolving differences between bills from different Houses. No official conference representatives have been named, due to opposition from Senate Republicans, according to Erica Chabot, a spokeswoman for Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) who heads the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Republican tactics include scaring freedom-loving people with phantoms of lost wiretaps in the wake of the expiration of a temporary spying bill on Saturday. That bill, known as the Protect America Act, was passed just months after a secret spying court ruled that the government's wiretapping inside the United States was illegal.

That act gave the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence to order phone companies to give it copies of all calls where one person on the line is believed to be outside the country or order Gmail and Hotmail to do the same with all its emails. The secret court could overturn the directive, but only if it found the order to be "frivolous."

Though the measure expired Saturday, all the orders issued under the act remain in place until at least August and possibly for another 6 months after that, depending upon the last time the secret court ruled on them.

Over the last year, the head of national intelligence Michael McConnell convinced most Democrats and Republicans that the nation's spying law needs to be updated, because in the age of fiber optics, some international to international phone calls and emails traveled through switches in the United States. Experts say, however, that the proportion of purely international communications that flow through switches in New York, Miami and Los Angeles is actually decreasing as more fiber and traffic switching stations are built out. (see:  )

Federal law requires the nation's spies to ask a compliant secret spying court for a court order whenever they are spying on phone or internet lines inside the United States. The NSA remains free to spy outside the United States as it sees fit, regardless of whether communications flow into U.S. switches or involve an American. The only caveats to that are that spies can't, by law, target Americans inside the country from wiretaps outside the country without a warrant, and targeting Americans abroad requires the Attorney General to approve the operation.

The Senate bill largely retains the Protect America Act's framework, while the House bill --known as the Restore Act -- narrows when spying can be done inside America without a warrant. The House bill also excludes amnesty for the telecoms, while the Senate bill includes it. President Bush says he will not sign any bill expanding his wiretapping authority unless it has amnesty for telecoms. Bush says that's necessary so companies will help again in the future, but that's not accurate since companies handed spying orders must comply or face contempt of court charges and fines.

House Republicans want to abandon the bill passed in October, and want simply to vote on the Senate bill. If the House leadership allowed such a vote, the Republicans are likely to prevail, with the help of more conservative Democrats.
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 09:15:43 am »
Buildup To A Discharge: How Some Representatives Are Looking To Force A Vote On FISA
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080221/150857316.shtml
from the dont-follow-the-leader dept

Sources on the Hill report that, in the wake of last week's dust-up over surveillance reform in the House of Representatives, House Republicans are preparing to circulate a discharge petition, a mechanism that can be used to circumvent House leadership and move a bill directly to the floor to force a vote.

The Senate has already passed White House-supported legislation amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to expand the government's power to eavesdrop on conversations with overseas parties without a warrant -- legislation that also includes a controversial provision providing retroactive immunity against civil suits to telecoms that gave the National Security Agency access to customer data without a court order. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has refused to schedule a vote on the House version of the Senate's bill.

Since, under House rules, that legislation is not subject to a discharge petition as currently engrossed, Reps. Vito Fossella (R-NY), Peter King (R-NY), and Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) have introduced their own version. They are currently gathering informal commitments from legislators while waiting out the 30-day time limit before a petition can be formally circulated.

Since discharge petitions are seen as a direct affront to leadership's control of the agenda, legislators are generally extremely reticent about signing them: The last time one was used successfully was in 2002, when it forced a vote on Shays-Meehan, the House version of the McCain-Feingold campaign reform law. Some members even have blanket policies against signing such petitions. And since they require a simple majority to become effective, Republicans would need to win over many of the conservative Blue Dog Democrats who have urged Pelosi to move forward with the Senate's version of the FISA bill. And even those willing to break with Pelosi on this issue may have qualms about slapping her in the face quite so overtly.

Instead of being directly used to force a vote, then, a source in the office of a Republican representative projects that the petition will be used to bring pressure directly to bear on Democratic members, and indirectly on the Democratic leadership. The latest assault in that pressure campaign came today in the form of a 24-style scare ad put out by the House Republican Conference, warning of impending terror attacks unless Democrats act quickly to reauthorize warrantless wiretaps.
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 09:16:39 am »
FISA Decision Dictates Death of Americans
http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=11194_0_1_0_M
By Kevin Roeten on Feb 20, 08


The Protect America Act expired 2/16/08 at midnight. Without this “arm” that exempted foreign communications from FISA’s restrictions, our Intelligence has to revert to using the same terror surveillance laws that failed to protect America from the al-Qaeda attack on 9/11. But this time, all the blame rests on a few American heads.

On the prior Thursday to 2/16, House Democrats purposely left Washington for a 12 day break, and allowed the expiration of the above legislation. It�s a known fact that Osama bin Laden said in 1/06 that al-Qaeda [and other terrorist groups] would hit us again in our homeland. Recently, NIE reports of stepped-up activity by terrorists, but our intelligence doesn�t have all the tools they need for protection. The old laws didn�t protect us on 9/11/01, but the Democrats believe they�ll protect us now?

One seems to forget what FISA stands for�Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. �Foreign� doesn�t stand for �Americans�. But another mass-casualty terrorist attack might be unavoidable for Democrats, because it involves �nonviolations of the nonrights of nonAmericans� (Rich Lowry/ TownHall). FISA gave the government a way to monitor foreign communications and to act. But it requires a warrant to do so. The Protect America Act changed that--temporarily.

Many parlay the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. The 4th is the right of all Americans to be unfettered with personal searches. But it contains the oft forgotten word �unreasonable�. If a terrorist is planning to kill Americans (e.g., your family) by radiation, water contamination, or even nuclear blast, such a search is not unreasonable by any means. In fact, it is the government�s responsibility (Article 4) to protect each American against invasion.

Enemies have continually used the word �wiretap�, and charged that Bush is illegally spying on Americans. Do those detractors realize our citizenry has logged at least 200 billion minutes (Warner Houston Cable) in 2003 alone on international calls? It is physically impossible to listen to that many calls.

Past practice with the Protect America Act had the government collecting phone numbers for harvesting and trend analysis. Tony Snow (Press Secretary/Bush Administration) has stated �It only targets international phone calls into/out of the US where one of the parties�is an al-Qaeda or affiliated terrorist.� Those calls are possibly computer �earmarked� as used by potential terrorists.

Mike McConnel (Director of National Intelligence) indicated that our Intelligence yield dropped off by a catastrophic two-thirds. The Wall Street Journal editorialized �This has turned out to be an enormous mistake that has unilaterally disarmed one of our best intelligence weapons in the war on terror.� Evidently the Administration no longer can use �dots� to connect.

The Protect America Act had added two important additions to FISA:

1) The immediate ability to let NSA track foreign calls routed through the US.
2) Give telecom companies liability protection to guard them from lawsuits when they cooperate with intelligence agencies.

The Administration was already working covertly with Verizon, AT&T, and Bellsouth. But disputes of their cooperation with certain government requests have already resulted in over 40 multi-billion dollar lawsuits (Amanda Carpenter/TownHall).

Bottom line, we can continue to listen to overseas targets, but can�t pick up any new targets with FISA�s tedious restrictions�a severe hampering of our intelligence. In other words, get a court-order before anything can be done.

The consequences of this purposeful House inaction, is that Intelligence will not be able to begin new terrorist surveillance without dangerous delays. This is highly reminiscent of the US forces in Iraq (5/07) having to wait 10 hours before they could begin searching for three soldiers taken hostage by al-Qaeda. The wait was forced by lawyers in the US who were hammering out the proper documents to get emergency permission for wiretaps. Later, one of our soldiers was found dead, the other two remain missing. But in actuality, it should take exactly zero hours to rescue our troops.

It's highly remarkable Obama opposed the FISA arrangement, and even denounced the companies that have assisted the US Intelligence as �special interests�. 

Without a doubt, American people will now likely be killed on American soil. The terrorists will always be the main enemy, but now we have Americans to blame as well. And as Americans, they actually expect our vote.
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 09:17:41 am »
Lowry: Democrats endanger U.S. security by opposing terrorist surveillance
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_8306336
Rich Lowry [email protected]
Article Last Updated: 02/19/2008 06:41:38 PM MST

Last week, in the words of Nancy Pelosi, House Democrats struck back against ''fear'' and ''fear-mongering.'' They let the terrorist surveillance program expire, thus making a stirring gesture of national self-confidence and fearlessness.
    House Democrats probably can't sustain their stand against renewing the program over the long term, so they will have managed a Pyrrhic defeat, losing on the policy and exposing a major political vulnerability for the fall.
    President Bush compromised with Senate Democrats on a renewal of the surveillance program that passed by a 2-1 margin. The program monitors the communications of terrorist suspects outside the United States, which the president has the inherent authority to do. The legal and political controversy has arisen because many overseas communications now - in the age of fiber optics - travel through the United States and have gotten entangled with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
    FISA plainly isn't meant to apply to foreign communications. Its purpose is to protect people in the United States from being targeted for national-security surveillance unless there is a finding of ''probable cause'' by a special FISA court that they are an agent of a foreign power. But a judge on that FISA court ruled early this past year that foreign communications must meet the same probable-cause standard under the law. According Advertisement

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McConnell, our intelligence yield dropped off by a catastrophic two-thirds.
    The urgency of the situation led to the quick passage this past summer of the Protect America Act that exempted foreign communications from FISA's restrictions. The act had a six-month sunset. The House has now let it expire.
    House leaders shrug and say that the essential authorities remain in place for another six months. This is a dodge. We can continue to surveil current overseas targets, but can't pick up any new targets without FISA's onerous restrictions - a severe hampering of our intelligence.
    The real sticking point in the debate concerns retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies that have been cooperating with the terrorist-surveillance program. They have been targeted with dozens of lawsuits seeking hundreds of billions of dollars in damages for alleged violations of civil liberties. The mere threat of these suits could be enough to prevent the companies from further cooperation with the government, allowing trial lawyers and civil-liberties groups to eviscerate the terrorist-surveillance program by lawsuit.
    The Senate provided retroactive immunity in its compromise bill; a report from Democrat Jay Rockfeller's Select Committee on Intelligence sensibly concluded that immunity was necessary because ''the private sector might be unwilling to cooperate with lawful government requests in the future without unnecessary court involvement and protracted litigation.'' The House balked.
    House Democrats tell themselves they are striking a blow against the politics of fear. But only if we suffer another mass-casualty terror attack will a politics of untrammeled fear be unleashed on the land. Best to do all we can to avoid it, especially when it involves nonviolations of the nonrights of non-Americans.
    It's not as though Democrats don't traffic in their own politics of fear. The hopeful Barack Obama summons a dark vision in his speeches of Americans denied economic opportunity and health care by lobbyists and callous corporations. Indeed, Exxon puts our planet ''at risk.'' It's just that terrorists don't make his fright list. In his victory speech after the Potomac Primary, Obama warned of using ''9/11 to scare up votes,'' and said that ''we need to end the mind-set that got us into war'' - i.e., relax about foreign threats.
    Naturally, Obama opposed the Senate's FISA deal, and he even denounced the telecoms that have cooperated with U.S. intelligence as ''special interests.'' Here is a major opening for John McCain. The Arizona Republican will never out-inspire anyone, but he can lead a serious national discussion of what we reasonably should fear, and how Obama, and the Pelosi wing of the Democratic Party of which he is the soaring avatar, discount it at our peril.
   
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 09:18:38 am »
Blunt Calls for Democrats to End Needless FISA Delays
http://www.foxbusiness.com/article/blunt-calls-democrats-end-needless-fisa-delays_490309_1.html
Thursday, Feb. 21 2008

WASHINGTON, Feb 21, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) issued the following statement today after House Democrats convened a pointless staff meeting under the guise of working on a bipartisan bill -- already passed by the Senate -- to permanently close the terrorist loophole and protect responsible companies that helped secure the country in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA):

"Democrats are saying today's meeting was called to craft bipartisan legislation that would update our antiquated foreign intelligence laws. This meeting was nothing more than an attempt to give the majority political cover for irresponsibly allowing the Protect America Act to expire. We already have a bi-partisan bill that was supported by more than two-thirds of the Senate and enjoys the support of a majority of Members of the House. The only remaining issue is how long House Democrat Leadership will delay before scheduling this bi-partisan bill for a vote.

"House Democrats have had ample time. Now, I'm asking them to listen to a respected member of their own party and pass the bill Senator Jay Rockefeller and my good friend Kit Bond wrote -- and 66 of their Senate colleagues supported."

SOURCE House Republican Whip Roy Blunt
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 09:34:04 am »
There is so much BS going on with the totally illegal FISA crap.  Congress goes back in session on Monday and instead of ending the war, there will be BS debates about how important this illegal law is.

just want everybody to have a head's up on this.

with no immunity, the telecoms are less likely to bend over backwards to kiss Bush's ass.

with unconstitutional immunity, the sky is the limit.
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 09:34:26 am »
There is so much BS going on with the totally illegal FISA crap.  Congress goes back in session on Monday and instead of ending the war, there will be BS debates about how important this illegal law is.

just want everybody to have a head's up on this.

with no immunity, the telecoms are less likely to bend over backwards to kiss Bush's ass.

with unconstitutional immunity, the sky is the limit.
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 09:48:29 am »
Well my freinds, it looks like there is some movement within the house.
Whatever their motives are, it could be  constitutionaly motivated, or perhaps for personal reason as who would care to display their dirty laundy besides Sir Bush as he is proud of it.
I sincerly hope that it is for the the people of this nation, a step in the right direction, a show of unity.
I wonder what Pelosi had to do with this. Curiosity did not kill the cat, it opened its eyes.
In any event, no matter the reason, and I could spin my wheels all day on this one, we have taken a step.


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U.S. says missed intelligence after spy act expired/Reuters
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 10:42:22 pm »
False Flag Prep?

U.S. says missed intelligence after spy act expired
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2229053420080222

By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. spy agencies have missed intelligence in the days since terrorism surveillance legislation expired, the Bush administration said on Friday, but Democrats accused it of fear mongering and blamed it for any gaps.

U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell fired the latest shot in the administration's battle with Congress to obtain new legislation to wiretap terrorism suspects.

The officials told Congress telecommunications firms have been reluctant to cooperate with new wiretaps since six-month temporary legislation expired last weekend.

"We have lost intelligence information this past week as a direct result of the uncertainty created by Congress' failure to act," the two officials told House of Representatives Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes in a letter.

They urged Reyes, a Texas Democrat, to reconsider his opposition to legislation passed last week by the Senate.

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Republican lawmakers and the administration had failed to participate on Friday in congressional staff negotiations over the bill, and noted President George W. Bush opposed extending the temporary act.

"The president and congressional Republicans have only themselves to blame," for any missed intelligence, said Pelosi, a California Democrat.

The measure passed by the Senate would provide retroactive lawsuit immunity to firms which cooperated with warrantless wiretaps that Bush authorized after the September 11 attacks. 

Civil-liberties advocates oppose the immunity provision, and disagreement over the issue led to the collapse of efforts to pass a permanent overhaul of a 1978 surveillance bill that the administration says is obsolete.

Congress passed the temporary law last August in response to urgent administration warnings of gaps in U.S. intelligence capabilities.

The 1978 bill remains in effect, as do one-year wiretap authorizations made under the temporary law. But administration officials say the old bill is dangerously obsolete and their ability to collect new intelligence is hampered.

Mukasey and McConnell gave no details of the missed intelligence. They told Reyes, however, that some communications firms have balked at cooperating out of uncertainty over their legal exposure.

"In particular, they have delayed or refused compliance with our requests to initiate new surveillance of foreign intelligence targets," they said.

Democratic leaders of congressional intelligence and judiciary committees issued a statement that they were committed to passing new legislation and they urged Bush to support an extension of the temporary law.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said Bush was "crying wolf."

"No amount of fear mongering will change the fact that our intelligence collection capabilities have not been weakened since last week," Reid said.



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Re: U.S. says missed intelligence after spy act expired/Reuters
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2008, 12:13:50 am »
FISA lies to make Bush Dictator

MAKE BUSH DICTATOR OR YOU WILL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2008, 01:34:17 am »
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Re: ROCKEFELLER: "Make George Bush my puppet Dictator or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2008, 01:35:41 am »
Sen. Jack Reed on CNN - Debunks FISA Propaganda (1/17)
4 min - Feb 19, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKXuh4RygEM
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Re: ROCKEFELLER: "Make George Bush my puppet Dictator or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 01:36:06 am »
Olbernann on FISA
9 min - Feb 16, 2008 -  (11 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0xZmsC5dS4
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Re: ROCKEFELLER: "Make George Bush my puppet Dictator or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Countdown: The Fear Card
6 min - Feb 23, 2008
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False Flag Prep?

U.S. says missed intelligence after spy act expired
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2229053420080222

By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. spy agencies have missed intelligence in the days since terrorism surveillance legislation expired, the Bush administration said on Friday, but Democrats accused it of fear mongering and blamed it for any gaps.

Without even reading the article, my first instincts is they were planting the idea that if someting happens, 'we are to blame' because they supposedly missed the opportunity to spy on everyone, missing those possible terrorists in the next room, city, state, country, etc.

Then looking at it, the article just confirms to me that is exactly what they're trying to do--set the stage.


Now, wait and see what's going to happen next. Bush & Co. is nobody's friend or ally. They are for themselves and demand that they retain power...or else.
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Try to spot the Hegelian Dialectic in this piece of Rockefeller/CFR Bullshit.  It is in response to the letter that Reyes sent to the puppet dictator:


Playing Politics With National Security [or..."I want to scare the shit out of Americans so that they will make Bush Rockefeller's puppet dictator"]
http://www.powerlineblog.com/Page1ReyesLetter.php
February 22, 2008


Earlier today, Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell and Attorney General Michael Mukasey delivered a letter to Silvestre Reyes, the chairman--unfortunately--of the House Intelligence Committee. Their letter responded to a letter by Reyes on February 14 that disputed the urgency of reforming and modernizing FISA. The McConnell/Mukasey letter is devastating to those who, like Reyes, try to claim that no harm is being done by the Democrats' stonewalling of FISA reform. The letter is lengthy and detailed; I've posted all six pages below. (Click to enlarge.) Here are a few excerpts:
In our letter to Senator Reid on February 5, 2008, we explained that: "the expiration of the authorities in the Protect America Act would plunge critical intelligence programs into a state of uncertainty which could cause us to delay the gathering of, or simply miss, critical foreign intelligence information." That is exactly what has happened since the Protect America Act expired six days ago without enactment of the bipartisan Senate bill. We have lost intelligence information this past week as a direct result of the uncertainty created by Congress' failure to act. Because of this uncertainty, some partners have reduced cooperation. In particular, they have delayed or refused compliance with our requests to initiate new surveillances of terrorist and other foreign intelligence targets under existing directives issued pursuant to the Protect America Act.
We have provided Congress with examples in which difficulties with collections under the Executive Order resulted in the Intelligence Community missing crucial information. For instance, one of the September 11th hijackers communicated with a known overseas terrorist facility while he was living in the United States. Because that collection was conducted under Executive Order 12333, the Intelligence Community could not identify the domestic end of the communication prior to September 11, 2001, when it could have stopped that attack. The failure to collect such communications was one of the central criticismas of the Congressional Joint Inquiry that looked into intelligence failures associated with the attacks of September 11. The bipartisan bill passed by the Senate would address such flaws in our capabilities that existed before the enactment of the Protect America Act and that are now resurfacing.
As we have explained in letters, briefings and hearings, FISA's requirements, unlike those of the Protect America Act and the bipartisan Senate bill, impair our ability to collect information on foreign intelligence agents located overseas. Most importantly, FISA was designed to govern foreign intelligence surveillance of persons in the United States and therefore requires a showing of "probable cause" before such surveillance can begin. This standard makes sense in the context of targeting persons in the United States for surveillance, where the Fourth Amendment itself often requires probable cause and where the civil liberties of Americans are most implicated. But it makes no sense to require a showing of probable cause for surveillance of overseas foreign targets who are not entitled to thee Fourth Amendment protections guaranteed by our Constitution. Put simply, imposing this requirement in the context of surveillance of foreign targets located overseas results in the loss of potentially vital intelligence by, for example, delaying intelligence collection and thereby losing some intelligence forever.

There's much more. Here is the letter in its entirety:


http://www.powerlineblog.com/Page2ReyesLetter.php
http://www.powerlineblog.com/Page3ReyesLetter.php
http://www.powerlineblog.com/Page4ReyesLetter.php
http://www.powerlineblog.com/Page5ReyesLetter.php
http://www.powerlineblog.com/Page6ReyesLetter.php

 

It should be noted that the McConnell/Mukasey letter also blows away the claims that liberals made a couple of years ago that FISA in its original form was perfectly adequate, and didn't require supplementation by executive order.

McConnell and Mukasey probably won't convince the woefully underqualified and doggedly partisan Reyes, but perhaps the facts they disclose will help to build public pressure on the Democrats to stop sacrificing our security against terrorist attack to the interests of their patrons in the plaintiffs' bar.
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Without even reading the article, my first instincts is they were planting the idea that if someting happens, 'we are to blame' because they supposedly missed the opportunity to spy on everyone, missing those possible terrorists in the next room, city, state, country, etc.

Then looking at it, the article just confirms to me that is exactly what they're trying to do--set the stage.


Now, wait and see what's going to happen next. Bush & Co. is nobody's friend or ally. They are for themselves and demand that they retain power...or else.


“Creating Tomorrow’s Dominant Force - the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor”.

History repeats itself

Rockefeller is on recrd as having motif for the next 9/11 so that he will get his puppet dictatorship.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED


Great headline:

"Rockefeller preparing a new 9/11 within US to get FISA passed"
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2008, 02:06:56 am »
IMO, Bush wants to have this thing done on the 28th...
It's the 75th anniversary of the Reichstag Fire Decree

Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State

On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
 § 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of opinion, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications, and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

Also notice some of the things that became punishable by death...

§ 5 The following crimes currently punished by life imprisonment are now to be punished by death: high treason, poisoning, arson, causing explosions, causing floods, damaging railways….

 
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Re: Congress back in session next week...LOOKOUT...FISA FISA FISA!!!!
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2008, 02:13:31 am »
IMO, Bush wants to have this thing done on the 28th...
It's the 75th anniversary of the Reichstag Fire Decree

Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State

On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
 § 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of opinion, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications, and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

Also notice some of the things that became punishable by death...

§ 5 The following crimes currently punished by life imprisonment are now to be punished by death: high treason, poisoning, arson, causing explosions, causing floods, damaging railways….

 


Wow, scary and yet powerful catch. You're probably totally on target with that one. We already see that Bush & Co. have been lining up all of their power structure/grabs perfectly with old Nazi ideologies and policies.

Hopefully, by exposing this and more people knowing about it, they won't be able to pull it off.
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Understanding how such Bullshit Hegelian spin can pollute the airwaves...


John Pilger - Freedom Next Time - Media Consolidation
44 min - Jun 16, 2007 -  (167 ratings)
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The Reichstag Fire was on February 27th, 1933.

The Enabling Act was passed on March 23, 1933

Dachau , one of the first Nazi concentration camps, opened in March 1933, and at first interned only known political opponents of the Nazis: Communists, Social Democrats, and others who had been condemned in a court of law. Gradually, a more diverse group was imprisoned, including Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies , dissenting clergy, homosexuals, as well as others who were denounced for making critical remarks about the Nazis. 

In the beginning of the systematic mass murder of Jews, Nazis used mobile killing squads called Einsatzgruppen. The Einsatzgruppen consisted of four units of between 500 and 900 men each which followed the invading German troops into the Soviet Union. By the time Himmler  ordered a halt to the shooting in the fall of 1942, they had murdered approximately 1,500,000 Jews. The death camps proved to be a better, faster, less personal method for killing Jews, one that would spare the shooters, not the victims, emotional anguish.  http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/camps.htm 

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WH Press Briefing, February 25 2008

2 min - Feb 26, 2008 -  (36 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=357BcPR2YmQ


Make Bush dictator or you will DIE!!!
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Countdown: Bushed! Feb. 25, 2008
2 min - Feb 26, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9kfRsIwaH4


They are still engaging in illegal surveillance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The telecoms are still recording every keystroke, every digit, every word.

they are still storing it all in giant data marts controlled by the National Reconnaissance Office to be used against you any time, any place, anywhere.

And, they are sill running ads that they want to kill you and your children for f**king with their New World Order.
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