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I was just thinking about something....my wife has filings....
they are the silver colored metal ones.....
I'm not sure if they are amalgams or not....but if they are, that means she'd be taking in alot of mercury...according to that awesome article by lewrockwell.....
if that were true and she's been taking in all this mercury and my oldest son has had most of his vaccines up to 2 years.....you'd think his chances of devloping something would be really high, right?

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I was just thinking about something....my wife has filings....
they are the silver colored metal ones.....
I'm not sure if they are amalgams or not....but if they are, that means she'd be taking in alot of mercury...according to that awesome article by lewrockwell.....
if that were true and she's been taking in all this mercury and my oldest son has had most of his vaccines up to 2 years.....you'd think his chances of devloping something would be really high, right?

That was the argument that the pharmaceutical companies finally used to dissuade all of the scientific evidence years ago.

It conforms to the standards of a disinformation COINTELPRO argument (link 2 seemingly similar pieces of information together even though there is no scientific connection), but does not conform to rational, scientific explanations of injecting mercury into the blood stream so it gets pumped by your heart to enter your brain.  I doubt that mercury fillings in teeth are an optimum way to rid your body of poison, but injecting the mercury into the blood stream so that it can shoot up into the brain of your infant child seems a bt more traumatic.  But who knows, ask your doctor.

Also this is a huge source of information on the dental question (and the Lew Rockwell article you mentioned has information too).

Dental AMALGAM and Mercury
by Birgit Calhoun

[Pic grabbed from the LR article]
Quem Mercurius perdere vult, dementat prius (Alfred Stock, ca. 1926)
[Originally: Quos deus perdere vult, dementat prius (Publilius Syrius, ca. 43 B.C.)]
(Summer 2001 - Fall 2002)
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=104341

This is interesting that I did not know:

In some countries dental amalgam is classified as a medicine. If that were the case in the United States it would be subject to many more regulations than it is now. As far as the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations is concerned amalgam is a prosthetic device and not a drug:
Amalgam Alloy, (a) Identification. An amalgam alloy is a device that consists of a metallic substance intended to be mixed with mercury to form filling material for treatment of dental caries. (b) Classification. Class II (21 CFR 872.3050 (2001)).


More good info:

The extreme toxicity of dimethyl mercury is brought home in the WETTERHAHN LABORATORY POISONING CASE: FINAL MEDICAL REPORT http://www-ehs.ucsd.edu/lab/dimethylmercury_poisoning.htm , "Dimethyl Mercury Poisoning" (New England J. Med. 4 Jun 98 338:1672)(Science-Week 26 Jun 98), which describes the death of a scientist from mercury poisoning. Karen Wetterhahn spilled only a few drops of the liquid on her latex-gloved hands. Methylated mercury is relevant in the discussion of amalgam because under certain circumstances the mercury from amalgam may be methylated (Heintze, U., Edwardsson, S., Derand, T. and Birkhed, D.: "Methylation of Mercury From Dental Amalgam and Mercuric Chloride by Oral Streptococci in Vitro." Scand. J. Dental Research 91(2) 150-152, 1983; Yamada, Tonomura: "Formation of Methyl Mercury Compounds from Inorganic Mercury by Chlostridium cochlearium," J Ferment Technol 1972 50:159-166, and Field study on the mercury content of saliva, by P.Krauß and M. Deyhle*, K.H. Maier, E. Roller, H.D. Weiß, Ph. Clédon).

The Canadian Edmonton Journal, March 27, 2001, states in its headline: "Mercury Fillings Toxic -- Report U of C Researchers Say 'Visual Evidence' Brain Cells Affected," by Robert Walker. The article further states:
New research vividly demonstrating the damage mercury has on brain cells -- in concentrations seen in people with amalgam fillings -- was published by University of Calgary medical school researchers Monday...Drs. Fritz Lorscheider and Naweed Syed's research, published in the British journal, NeuroReport, is supported by a time-lapse video showing how brain cells die within 10 minutes when they are exposed to mercury in minute concentrations...


Owen Hamill summarizes Lorscheider/Syed in an article "Mercury induced growth cone collapse: another reason for flossing" (NeuroReport 2001;12:A23) saying
...evidence indicates that mercury vapor is continuously released from tooth fillings where it is breathed in by the lungs and converted into mercuric ions. Although there is no debate on the toxic effects of high concentrations of mercury (i.e. associated with urinary concentrations > 50 µg/l), a challenge exists to demonstrate more subtle, preclinical effects associated with chronic low level mercury exposure in the general population with fillings. At least consistent with this notion is the study published in this issue [5] showing that exposure to mercury concentrations of < 0.1 M results in rapid (i.e. within 10 min) retraction of growth cones in snail neurons and is correlated with disruption of microtubules. Interestingly, the authors point out that similar disruption of microtubules is associated with Alzheimer's disease. These recent findings give added impetus for the development and implementation of alternative materials for fillings and may provide parents with added ammunition in teaching their children to floss.
(Christopher C. W. Leong; Naweed I. Syed; Fritz L. Lorscheider CA "Retrograde degeneration of neurite membrane structural integrity of nerve growth cones following in vitro exposure to mercury, Neuroreport 2001;12:733-737).

Significantly
...the other metals [also present in amalgam] – aluminum, lead, cadmium and manganese – did not produce this type of degeneration.


A news item in the Calgary Gazette provides further information about the study in which the researchers added mercury ions to snail neuron cell cultures, which were subsequently observed to degenerate rapidly. Fritz Lorscheider (physiology and biophysics) elaborates: "Our study illustrates how mercury ions alter the cell membrane structure of developing neurons. This discovery provides visual evidence of our previous findings that mercury produces a molecular lesion in the brain." (University of Calgary Gazette on the Web, April 2, 2001, "Researchers present evidence of mercury’s effect on brain neurons," April 2, 2001, Lorscheider, Syed, Leong).

The first reported cases of methyl mercury poisoning occurred in 1863:
A 30 year-old male who had been exposed to dimethyl mercury for three months "complained of numbness of the hands, deafness, poor vision and sore gums...[He was] unable to stand without support," although no motor palsy was detected. His condition rapidly worsened; he became restless and comatose within a week and died 2 weeks after the onset of symptoms. Another victim was a 23-year-old laboratory technician who had been working in the laboratory for 12 months, although he had handled dimethyl mercury for only 2 weeks.


He complained of sore gums, salivation, numbness of the feet, hands and tongue, deafness and dimness of vision. He answered questions only very slowly and with indistinct speech... Three weeks later he had difficulty in swallowing and was unable to speak... [He] was often restless and violent. He remained in a confused state and died of pneumonia 12 month after the onset of symptoms (from Environmental Health Perspectives, Vol. 104, Supplement 2, April 1996).

These two men had obviously been affected very severely. Milder cases outside of a mercury-laden environment would not have gotten much attention at a time when death from an infectious disease was so common and would probably be the suspected reason for a person's demise. The toxicity of mercury could be seen much more easily in context with a known mercury environment. In addition metallic toxins were ubiquitous. People still ate from pewter plates. Houses were painted with lead paint. People boiled tea water in copper kettles. All those metals are now known to be poisonous. The comparative symptoms of poisoning from the various heavy metals are remarkably similar and mercury was just one of them. There were no blood or urine tests, yet, sensitive enough to positively mark one or the other metal as the greater culprit for the symptoms at hand.

It is not known at which point mercury is not toxic any more. Mercury works at the molecuar level. At which point can it be said that no damage occurs? 150 years ago it was common for people to complain about symptoms of all sorts and it was even more common to label someone a hypochondriac.

All that said, already over a hundred years ago there existed reports and studies concerning the dangers of mercury from amalgam. The ADA cannot claim that amalgam has always, and by everyone, been considered to be harmless. The dentist E. S. Talbot writes in 1883:
The subject of mercurial poisoning from the use of amalgam fillings in decayed teeth, has given rise to numberless articles, and has been a source of discussion in dental societies since its introduction into this country. Symptoms of mercurial poisoning have manifested themselves in cases where these amalgams have been employed, causing the scientific members of the profession to investigate these fillings, to determine if these symptoms are due to the mercury contained in its composition. Nor is this investigation confined to men of science; the ordinary practitioner is constantly meeting these symptoms, and by careful observation will be able to diagnose these cases when met with. I will mention two cases which have come under my notice. ("Injurious Effects of Mercury as Used in Dentistry", MISSOURI DENT J, 15:124-30, March, 1883)
The article describes two cases of amalgam poisoning. It also describes the tests Talbot performed to prove that mercury constantly leaks from amalgams and that cockroaches exposed to mercury from amalgam died after inhaling the emanating mercury.

In those days the question of recognizing amalgam toxicity would have had to depend on an observant dentist who was aware of the dangers of mercury or on the rare truly fulminant cases that forced the dying patient to see a doctor. But even doctors were not always aware that their patients' symptoms were the symptoms of mercury poisoning since the medicines doctors commonly prescribed for baby's teething pains, kidney problems, syphilis, and constipation contained mercury (Calomel, mercuric chloride, teething powder, mercuro-chrome, Blue Mass). What was perscribed as a cure resulted in side effects, which were sometimes worse than the cure. Depression--then called melancholia--and all the other numerous symptoms that were lumped together and called "hypochondriasis" were considered less problematic because the chance of dying from an untreated illness was much greater in those days. President Lincoln, who was thought to be such a complainer, regularly took "Blue Mass." This medicine contained mercury according to an article in Perspectives in Biology and Medicine 44.3 (2001) 315-33: "Abraham Lincoln's Blue Pills, Did our 16th President Suffer from Mercury Poisoning?" by Norbert Hirschhorn, Robert G. Feldman, and Ian A. Greaves, also summarized in National Geographic Magazine - National Geographic News: "Did Mercury in 'Little Blue Pills' Make Abraham Lincoln Erratic?" by Hillary Mayell for National Geographic News, July 17, 2001.

All that said, it was very unlikely that those people who had only had a whiff of mercury would have known, that those vapors had affected them enough to make them sick. By the time the mercury started to show symptoms, they would have forgotten about the exposure to it and assumed that they had fallen ill because of some infectious agent. Mercury is insidious because one symptom of mercury poisoning is short term memory loss. So, how were they going to tell the doctor--in the rare event that he might have asked--about what they had taken when they couldn't even remember? Karen Wetterhahn, who knew what she was working with and did remember, did not feel that she was poisoned until months after her deadly exposure. She knew that she was working with a very dangerous substance. The New England Journal of Medicine reported that it took at least 90 days before any symptoms arose. It took nearly five months (154 days) for the 48 year-old scientist to complain about neurological symptoms which brought her to the hospital.

Supposing twenty years ago a child broke a fever thermometer. She picked up a bubble of mercury from the floor and ate it. The girl's younger brother watched and inhaled some of the vapor. Or, supposing a dentist's two-year old grandson sneaked into the office where amalgam had just been mixed and inserted into a patient's mouth. The child inhaled the still lingering vapor. And, supposing a young woman, somewhat compromised in her calcium intake because she didn't drink milk, needed fillings in her teeth. She also needed a root canal because she had been eating sweets almost all her life without brushing her teeth.

The little girl had no known ill effects from ingesting the beads of mercury, and it may seem far fetched to blame such a small amount of mercury mercury vapor for the Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder her brother later experienced. The reason why the little girl was not affected as much can be explained with the fact that metallic mercury goes through the system and is absorbed only minimally. On the other hand, our knowledge of what a small amount of tobacco smoke does should alert us to not be casual about what a small amount of mercury vapor might do. A puff of smoke here and there (passive smoke) from another person's cigarette is also only a very small amount of smoke. And yet, the cumulative puffs have been known to cause lung cancer. Note! There is one important difference between tobacco smoke and mercury. It is visible and easily detectable by its smell and mercury vapor is not.

Nothing happened to the boys at the time when they inhaled the vapors. However, years later when they were young adults, they came down with Multiple Sclerosis. About the young woman who had a root canal done, which was filled with amalgam, she did not know that she had been given mercury. The dentist who had performed the then (1965) new procedure did not know that a root canal should never be filled with mercury amalgam and thus set into action a process that would cause the woman to suffer pain and several surgeries nearly thirty years later.

Root canals should not be filled with amalgam! Here is why: A root canal may eventually turn into a bone cyst, also called cavitation. Bacteria, trapped at the tip of the root, remain--despite all precautions --after the root canal is filled. The anaerobic bacteria multiply. The only place they can go is into the jaw bone. There they may cause the bone to erode. It becomes necrotic. The bacteria, which cannot be eradicated easily with antibiotics because the blood does not circulate very well through bone, could then convert the accessible mercury from amalgam into methylated mercury. This can continually be dispersed into the blood stream, possibly through osmosis. It seems methyl mercury seeps through tissues fairly easily. (It entered Karen Wetterhahn's system through Latex gloves and the skin). Furthermore mercury helps the bacteria to survive better because it compromises the immune system. Thus the mercury indirectly causes the cavitation to get bigger and bigger. What makes the situation worse is that cavitations are not visible in x-rays, and they may remain painless for many years because the nerves do not reach into the bone and tell the person that something is wrong. (Scand. J. Dental Research 91(2) 150-152, 1983). The patient only notices the problem when the cyst finally gets large enough and breaks through to the outside or comes in contact with nerves.

Another explanation for the erosion of bone is given in a web site about osteonecrosis/osteomyelitis, which when it happens to the mandible and maxilla is also called Phossy Jaw or Maxillofacial Osteonecrosis. This condition used to be very common in the 19th cntury. It is a condition where the bone dies due to "intramedullary ischemia and infarction." The ischemia is thought to have resulted from "environmental pollutants, such as lead and the phosphorus used in safety matches, as well as from popular medications containing mercury, arsenic or bismuth."
Maxillofacial Osteonecrosis of the maxillofacial region is not new to dentistry. During the pre-antibiotic era "phossy jaw" and other forms of "chemical osteomyelitis" resulted from environmental pollutants, such as lead and the phosphorus used in safety matches, as well as from popular medications containing mercury, arsenic or bismuth.[23-29] This disease was well established by 1867, did not often occur in individuals with good gingival health, and appeared to "attack" the mandible first.[25] It was associated with localized or generalized deep ache or pain, often of multiple jawbone sites. The teeth often appeared sound and suppuration was not present. Even so, the dentist often began extracting one tooth after another in the region of pain, often with temporary relief but usually to no real effect.[24] Occasionally, large fragments of necrotic bone would come out with the tooth, sometimes involving much of an entire quadrant, as depicted in the figure at the top of this page. Apparently, Lorinser of Vienna in 1845 was the first to call attention to the problem.[25]

( http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOhistory.html#History, and http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICO1v55.html#Why)
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From: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=12445.msg67074

More...
Mercury, Immunizations and the Global Vaccine Agenda
http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinations/autismtetanus.pdf


are there any other things they donated to besides abortion places?


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are there any other things they donated to besides abortion places?


Anything that reduces the world's population... :(
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=16028.msg59959#msg59959

By the way, on the vaccines issue, here's something relevant I came across:
http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=8519116&queueid=633765701
A new study published today (3/1/06) shows that the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) in children has decreased following removal of thimerosal, a preservative containing the neurotoxin mercury, from American childhood vaccines. The study, published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a peer reviewed journal, by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier examined two independent databases maintained by the government – one national and one state. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database maintained by the Centers for Disease Control and the Californian Department of Developmental Services (CDDS) database each showed the same downward trend for the period from 2002 through 2005. According to the study “[t]he results indicate that the trends in newly diagnosed NDs correspond directly with the expansion and subsequent contraction of the cumulative mercury dose to which children were exposed from [thimerosal-containing vaccines] through the U.S. immunization schedule.”

The study examined the trend for cases of autism during the period beginning 1994 and ending 2002 compared with the period from 2002 to June, 2005. The trends for increases and decreases of cases of autism found in the VAERS national database were consistent with the trends found in the CDDC California database. Most significantly, in each database the increasing and decreasing trends correlate with the time that the exposure to thimerosal through the immunization schedule was increased and then decreased after removal of mercury containing vaccines. “The consistency of the effects observed for the spectrum of NDs, including autism and speech disorders, and the agreement between the observations from two separate databases, support the conclusion that the effect is real and not a chance observation.” The study found that the magnitude of the change in the decreasing trend of cases was significant after removal of mercury from vaccines. Data from the U.S. Department of Education, a third database, showed a recent decrease of autism diagnoses that is consistent with the findings in the two databases.

The authors show that the biological plausibility of their statistical findings is supported by recent toxicological and molecular studies that reveal the mechanism by which mercury from vaccines can cause damage to the developing brains of children. A recent study by researchers at the University of Washington has shown that ethylmercury from thimerosal in vaccines can cross from the bloodstream into the brain in toxic amounts which can remain in brain tissue for many years. This finding contradicted the untested view about the toxicity of ethylmercury in vaccines that prevailed in public health for 75 years. Other researchers have shown that minute concentrations of mercury, far lower than previously believed and far less than other toxins such as lead, can destroy neurons and damage DNA within hours of exposure. Such low levels of mercury, which likely are reached in infant brains via vaccine thimerosal exposure, can disrupt cell signaling and metabolic pathways necessary for normal brain development. Studies in mice, rabbits, monkeys, rats and other animals support these findings. Further studies in children have found evidence of mercury toxicity, metabolic disruption and oxidative stress that is consistent with the author’s statistical findings that thimerosal in vaccines causes autism and developmental disorders.

The authors point out that their finding that the VAERS and CDDS databases show strong associations between thimerosal containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders completely contradicts the 2004 findings contained in a report published by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences – which was based on data controlled exclusively by the Center for Disease Control’s National Immunization Program and unavailable to outside researchers. In arguing that their study’s findings justify additional research the authors point out that the handling of vaccine safety data by the Centers for Disease Control has been called into serious question in a 2005 report published by the Institute of Medicine.

You can view and download a pdf file containing the new study, “Early Downward Trends in Neurodevelopmental Disorders Following Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines” by clicking here. It is being published today in Volume 11, Number 1, Spring 2006 of the peer-reviewed Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

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are there any other things they donated to besides abortion places?

I think a "google search" would give you some info, there are about 10 threads on this forum about him.  If you want to get into a specific discussion about Bill Gates, that is fine but I would think it would be off topic and have little to do with your child and the fact that the more vaccines he gets the greater the risk of autism according to these hundreds of sources.
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My wife works in the medical field...and said...you better know what you're talking about....you are going to look foolish if it doesn't have thermosal in it, and the Doctor will probably note that you're a parent who is going to cause trouble.
She said in some cases the doctor will actually refuse to see patients if they become too confrontational...

I agree with this. My mom has lung cancer and she told them she doesnt believe in chemo, especially if it only helps 10% of lung patients... her doctor (who is now advertising on the radio here in Los Angeles from City of Hope) slammed his folders on the desk and told my parents if they didnt want his surgery, chemo and radiation, they might as well just leave. My parents were more than happy to!

Limit... I dont have kids yet but when my wife and I do soon, we wont be getting them vaccinated. Here is why...

One of my brothers has two daughters. They are 5 and 7. Both of them were lively and busy bodies before they reached 18 months, after 18 months they became quiet, introverted, docile, and very obedient. Rather boring children now IMO.

My niece is in the Marines and was in theater, played soccer (scored 17 goals in 10 games her last season), and was extremely vocal. She thought the Marines was her thing to do and after all the vaccines shes been injected with the last 2 years, she is now tranquil, boring, doesnt care about anything in life anymore (7 of her 30 boot camp friends being killed in Iraq dont help), but I notice she is a drastically different person now. She just had a baby and of course the Marines are administering the vaccination shots on the baby. Over a year old and the baby went from smiling to completely expressionless now. I cant get her baby to smile for the life of me. Her kid cant even walk either. Somethings not right and it started with the damn vaccine shots she had right around 6 months.

I have a neighbor two houses from me who is a principal of a local school. This girl is my age.. early thirties. I told her about the treats of mercury in vaccines when she told me she now has an entire first and second grade of autistic kids. The schools are separating them from normal kids. She told me Im crazy and there is no link between mercury, vaccines and autism. She said the CDC came in and gave her and other teachers pamphlets on it all and warned them of crazy people like me! She also said people like Jenny McCarthy "dont help" her at all, especially when parents are worried.

Two whole classes now of autistic kids? CDC telling the principal and other teachers to be wary of "people like me"? Im just a regular guy trying to make it in life and am concerned about what enters my and my wifes body. Let alone our babies some day.

I also told her to be careful about the fluoride our city just started putting into our water supply and listed a number of reasons to stay clear of fluoride and she said "ooooo we all better get our tin foil hats". This lady is so f**king brainwashed. I cant even imagine her being a teacher, let alone principal. She is so eff'ing brain dead.

I send fluoride and mercury news to another neighbor who is friends with this girl, and hopefully they get forwarded to her, but I dont really know for sure. I hope so. Its always better to side with caution anyhow.

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i am not sure if he would, but when you have billions of dollars, does your perspective change?

also, when you have billions, do you know where half your money is?  how much influence does melinda wield?  i guessing quite a bit.

he's not old money, but im sure that he is on the IN.



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i am not sure if he would, but when you have billions of dollars, does your perspective change?

also, when you have billions, do you know where half your money is?  how much influence does melinda wield?  i guessing quite a bit.

he's not old money, but im sure that he is on the IN.




actually his father is connected to Rockefeller.  it is somewhere in this forum, i have been trying to find it.
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I know a woman who has two "autistic" boys. I had not seen her since before she was pregnant and I ran into her in the mall and had heard from a friend that she has kids now. I congratulated her and asked her how they were doing.

She told me they were both autistic and then went on to say they seemed pretty normal until they were just about two. I said, "let me guess, just after their second major round of vaccines?" She said yes and began to cry, she said she saw the changes immediately.

If you're giving your kids shots...

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The flu shot has mercury. While they claim others dont, mercury is still used in the manufacturing of. There is no reason any adult should get a measles vaccine. If they cant get you on flu, theyll get you on something, the vaccine program has been vamped up like crazy lately.
Man, I swear, you guys need to do some of your own research instead of being spoon fed, ALL of it is on the forums, all of it.
Heres MSM 15 days ago claiming that mercury from vaccines is 'gone' from a baby in 3.5 days, in vaccines they claim HAVE NO mercury, ok?
Heard of doublespeak?
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN30505454
Do you get it that mercury is killing your kids and the MSM is lying and that there is a Eugenics program to dumb you and them down for life?
Ok.
limitgov- i feel your pain and likely this post was moved so you cant even find it. Women are afraid, its a newborn. Children can receive more than 35 vaccines and more boosters in the first few years. Sont buy the vaccine thing, but research! Pm me. Ill send you to the right links, I dont thimnk you can even find your thread.

LOL, settle down for God sakes! I did not say I believed them, I just said that's what they where reporting. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I knew those claims where bullshit from the get go, that's why I posted it...

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sorry Hex!
 This is a great site that explains much more than mercury as dangerous for childhood vaccines: http://www.trackingvaccinations.com/
It tells about vaccines damaging neural myelin which is not grown until 2 y/o, why vaccines open children up to allergies, it also talks about a connection with SIDS, because Diptheria is present in all pediatric vaccines to make them work, this means major overdose and immune onslaught as much as twice a week in infancy to toddler. Plenty of numbers but written well for a lay person.
They have some stats, in most countries vaccinations before 2 y/o is voluntary.
Have a look, its better than just depending on the 'mercury' arguement- dont you know mercury is gone from vaccines and its good for you anyway?  :o
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Unethical vaccine agendas

http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html

This site has LOTS of links - very good I think though I haven't checked out everything here.

One link:

Gardasil shot implications

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/cervical_cancer.html

Cervical Cancer Vaccine

A vaccine that is claimed to prevent cancer is causing damage that is a precursor to cancer?


Bronwyn Hancock 20 August 2007

"In due course I will be writing an article about this vaccine, but in the
meantime I refer you to this site that has plenty of information including
many articles written by others: http://www.visainfo.org.au/

"But in addition, just before you go to that other site, here is some very
significant new information, that has just been brought to my knowledge
today by the discoverer of it:

"Naturopath and Iridologist Michael Blake, of Natures Cure Pty Ltd in Dandenong, Melbourne (web site http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/therapist/6025) is very concerned at
what he has seen in the irises of four girls recently and his conscience
will not allow him to stay silent.

"In the area of the iris that corresponds to the uterus, in three of the
girls he saw tissue damage, and in the fourth he saw drug residue. In each
of the four cases, on reporting back to the patient what he was observing,
he was informed that the girl had recently received the cervical cancer
vaccine. All were virgins.

"Tissue damage in the uterus is what he sees in women who have had such
things as abortions and prolapses, and can be a precursor to cancer. It can
also cause infertility - as it can prevent the embryo from being able to
hold on to the uterus wall. It also often results in lack of sensitivity
with sexual intercourse, pain, discomfort and/or frequent discharges.

"Note that it has already been observed that one of the ingredients in the
vaccine, polysorbate 80, has been observed to cause infertility in mice.
Add to that borax, which is used to kill ants, add neurotoxic immune system
sensitiser aluminium hydroxyphosphate, and directly inject all of that and
any viral material (which is not proven to be in a harmless form) past the
very important natural lines of defence in the immune system, then what do
you think we are asking for, trouble or protection? I can't tell you what
to do - you must figure it out for yourself.

"Note also that the primary owners of the main pharmaceutical companies,
including the manufacturer of this vaccine, are the extremely wealthy and
powerful Rockefeller family. It is well documented that this family prefers
to work behind the scenes, and they have also expressed a strong belief in
population control. David Icke in his book entitled, "... and the truth
shall set you free", wrote:


'In 1952, after decades of funding and supporting eugenics, John D.
Rockefeller III established his Population Council, which still exists
today. This Elite front has been calling for zero population growth in the
United States and, in the words of its 1979 annual report: ... "the spread
of the zero population movement... in the developed countries." '

"In the population control agenda there does seem to be a particular
interest in reducing the population of those of what is considered "lesser
stock" (see http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm), yet all sections of
the community are encouraged to receive the vaccine, but do you know which
schools and localities are getting which batches of vaccine? Something to
think about.

"By the way, as all other vaccines, no proper placebo-controlled studies
have been done with this vaccine. The so-called placebo group receives an
injection of aluminium hydroxyphosphate "and everything else present in the
adjuvant", according to the contact researcher for the major trials. Why
don't they receive an inactive substance, which is what a placebo is
defined to be? Apparently because, in the understanding of this researcher,
"In vaccine trials,... (it) is usual, good clinical practice, to give
adjuvant to the placebo arm." So what are these researchers
(manufacturer-funded, of course) so afraid of, that they will not give a
proper placebo to the placebo group?"
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Let it loose; it will defend itself.-

Offline DAVIDE MTL

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Limit gov, I feel your pain, it took me months of arguing with my brain washed wife to convince her no more vaccines, You can do all the research in the world but your wife will always question it and have doubts, what finally shut her up and come to my side  was  a video presentation by Mary Tocco, it's called "Are vaccines safe."  Be prepared to be shunned by your pediatrician when you tell him no more vaccines. Ours kicked us out. You'll find out the only purpose for a pediatrician clinic is to poison, I mean vaccinate our kids....what a wonderful world

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you must question the motives of the medical establishment when the kick you out of your office for simply questioning what is being put into your kids bodies.

it seems that if they are a truly caring precticioner of medicine, they would at a minimum open it up for discussion.

my wife was brainwashed too....except for the hpv thing, but she started waking up when she asked someone at work about her austic child, and said it happened after her 2 year old shots.

slowly but surely, we can make a difference.

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My god...

I can't even count the number of vaccines given to me by the Military.
(fortunately I was smart enough to turn down the Anthrax vaccine)
I got everything else, though. 3x over. I don't know how many f*cking
Hepatitis shots they gave us. :(

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Look it...I like the guy.....I download his show and listen to it in my car ont he way to work....
I'm not some plant or whatever.....I wanna find the evidence so I can convince my wife....but like anyone else....she expects evidence....

I like when he talks about local issues here in Texas....he seems to back alot of that up with good interviews of firsthand accounts, etc....

ok...so, more vaccines now + more mercury = more autism....
that does make sense...
but how many of those vaccines nowadays are given before the age of 4?
because those are the ones that matters...
they develop it by the time they are around 4.....
so are there alot more vaccines given before 4 years of age?
also...where is the evidence that there is still mercury in all of these vaccines....
I know he talks about mercury in the flu vaccines...but what about the other vaccines?
where's the evidence showing mercury on those?
can someone give me links to creidble news sites or something similar?
DUDE.

Read the inserts on the vaccinations!  It's not JUST the thimerosal(mercury).  It's the aluminum, the ether, the fermaldehyde... it's all in there and so much more!  They're genetically modifying many viruses now, as well.  There's unpredictable side effects to genetically modified organisms.

Heavy metals(like mercury and aluminum) get in your brain and never leave your body!

And stop listening to Dean Edell!  That guy says that multivitamins don't work and then he advertises for Men's One a Days on his freaking show.  The hypocrite.  You want to talk about plants...  Sorry to trash your friend and guest, Alex...  It's just SO SO SO hypocritical.
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I've seen a couple of news reports lately stating that vaccines don't have have mercury in them anymore, it was taken out years ago. They are trying to get everybody out here in Cali to go get vaccinated for the Measles (sp)
Heil Arnold!
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I've done some google searches.
On the CDC website it said only flu vaccines have mercury....

Can someone please direct me to sources that say the other vaccines have mercury in them?

Also, can someone please direct me to sources that say mercury in vaccines causes autism....or at least shows some statistics or something that links the two?

I have a 1 yr old who will be getting his 18 month? vaccine soon....
And I was planning on asking the nurse to show me the vaccine.....
I was going to see if it had thermosal listed on it.....

My wife works in the medical field...and said...you better know what you're talking about....you are going to look foolish if it doesn't have thermosal in it, and the Doctor will probably note that you're a parent who is going to cause trouble.
She said in some cases the doctor will actually refuse to see patients if they become too confrontational...

for me...its my kid's life we're talking about....I'm willing to chance whatever I have to....
but I have yet to find evidecne that shows there is mercury in the non-flu vaccines.
I have googled....and all I can find are conspiracy sites that claim its in there...
I am asking someone to help me find credible sources...please....
DUDE.  Go down to the health department and tell them you are considering a vaccination.  ASK FOR THE INSERT.  Read the ingredients.  You'll find thimerosal, fermaldehyde, ether, lead(in some), aluminum....  >:(
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