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SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« on: September 18, 2014, 08:30:56 am »


Scottish independence referendum

LIVE UPDATES ~~~>http://rt.com/uk/188404-scottish-referendum-live-updates/

Published time: September 17, 2014 10:06



Scottish voters go to the polls on Thursday to choose whether or not to break away from the UK and form an independent state. The ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ campaigns have been neck-and-neck in the pre-ballot polls.

Both sides in the referendum debate are making their final pitch to voters. It comes as three new polls show the result remains too close to call, with a slender lead for a No vote.

Thursday, September 18
13:18 GMT:


The final poll of the Scottish referendum campaign shows “No” on 53 percent and “Yes” on 47 percent, a slight strengthening of the No lead.

The same pollster, Ipsos Mori, in a poll for STV issued on Wednesday night showed only a two-point lead for “No”, but this was based on earlier field work.

All the leading pollsters have now issued final polls suggesting a “No” win by 53 percent to 47 percent, or 52 percent to 48 percent, but Labour officials remain cautious, saying it is still unclear how undecided voters will break, or what could be the impact of a high turnout. As few as 200,000 votes could determine the outcome.

The last Ipsos Mori poll shows 50 percent say they will vote “No”, with 45 percent saying they will vote “Yes”, and 4 percent still undecided.

Excluding those undecided, 53 percent of certain voters say they intend to vote “No”, with 47 percent to vote “Yes”.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 09:39:38 am »
The question is why? If they're going to remain in the EU why does this make a difference? I know it does to Britain, but what to the people of Scotland?
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2014, 09:54:13 am »

Scottish independence referendum

LIVE UPDATES ~~~>http://rt.com/uk/188404-scottish-referendum-live-updates/

Published time: September 17, 2014 10:06





14:46 GMT:
How are different age groups likely to vote?

The last three YouGov polls indicate 25-39 year olds have been consistently and strongly pro-independence, while the over 60s have collectively always been pro-union.

The bulk of that older support is from those older than 65. 60-64 year olds back independence as a group, but only by 7 points.

It is also clear that 40-59 year olds are divided. YouGov's last two polls suggest the age group is split 50/50.

The numbers are less clear on the young voters – the 16-25 first-time voters.

Just under two weeks ago YouGov suggested they were as pro-independence as any group, by 20 percent.

That then swung to a 6 percent pro-union lead in their next poll before YouGov suggested they were also split 50/50 in yesterday's final call.

14:40 GMT:
"No" supporters have accused "Yes" campaigners of aggressive and intimidating tactics during the campaign.

@georgegalloway Come back hame..we need you to join the against fight this type of extremism in Scotland. pic.twitter.com/8F3q7kgpNX
— Positive about No ! (@MartyMc732) September 18, 2014
14:34 GMT:
Police Scotland have confirmed they were called out to reports of vandalism at a polling booth.

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: "At 7.40am police responded to complaints of vandalism at a polling station on Main Street. Our first priority was to act quickly and in partnership with West Dunbartonshire Council to ensure the vandalism was covered up shortly after. It is now covered up and an inquiry is ongoing."
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2014, 11:55:13 am »



LIVE FEED from Glasgow's George Square in the final
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2014, 12:30:45 pm »
 Why vote YES in the Scottish Independence (David Anthony McCourt)
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 12:57:01 pm »

…. just an historical aside:


http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/maryqueenofscots.htm

The Beheading of Mary, Queen of Scots, 1587

Mary's troubles began six days after her birth in 1542. It was on that day that her father, King James V of Scotland, died and the infant was declared Queen of the Scots. She was immediately thrust into a caldron of political turmoil containing a broiling mix of the long-standing enmity between Scotland and England, the fragility of the Tudor succession to the English throne, England's rivalry with France, and the religious violence between Catholics and Protestants.


As the great-granddaughter of England's Henry VII, Mary was next in line to the crown of England after Henry VIII's children - Edward, Mary and Elizabeth. The Scots attempted to remove the threat posed to Henry's succession by pledging the new-born Mary to marriage with his son Edward. This plan soon self-destructed, however, and the Scots turned to their old ally (and England's old enemy) France. Mary was sent there at age six for her upbringing and education.

The 18-year-old Mary (now a confirmed Catholic) returned to Scotland in 1561 to reign as Queen of her subjects (now confirmed Protestants). Contrary to all expectations, Queen and subjects initially achieved an accommodation. However, this situation quickly deteriorated.

In 1565 Mary married her first cousin Henry, Lord Darnley and gave birth to a son - James - the following year. In 1567, her husband was murdered and Mary quickly married the Scottish Earl of Bothwell an action that outraged the Scottish nobility who promptly imprisoned Mary and forced her to abdicate her throne to her one-year-old son, James.

The following year Mary escaped from her prison but was forced to flee across the border with England after the defeat of her supporters at the Battle of Langside, near Glasgow, on May 13. Instead of the refuge she anticipated, Mary was immediately imprisoned by Queen Elizabeth and spent the next 19 years shuffling from castle to castle while her cousin deliberated what to do with her. Mary became a lighting rod for plots and rumored plots against Elizabeth. Finally, in 1587, Elizabeth was persuaded to end the threat to her throne once and for all and ordered Mary's execution.

"No, no, Madam you must die, you must die!"

Mary's execution took place at Fotheringhay Castle. Pierre de Bourdeille, seigneur de Brantome was a member of the French nobility who accompanied Mary during her internment. He provides us with a sympathetic account of Mary's execution that begins with the arrival of a delegation from Queen Elizabeth announcing that the former Queen of the Scots is to be executed the next day:

"On February 7, 1587, the representatives of the English Queen, reached the Castle of Fotheringay, where the Queen of Scotland was confined at that time, between two and three o'clock in the afternoon. In the presence of her jailer, Paulet, they read their commission regarding the execution of the prisoner, and said that they would proceed with their task the next morning between seven and eight o'clock. The jailer was then ordered to have everything in readiness.



Without betraying any astonishment, the Queen thanked them for their good news, saying that nothing could be more welcome to her, since she longed for an end to her miseries, and had been prepared for death ever since she had been sent as a prisoner to England. However, she begged the envoys to give her a little time in which to make herself ready, make her will, and place her affairs in order. It was within their power and discretion to grant these requests. The Count of Shrewsbury replied rudely:

'No, no, Madam you must die, you must die! Be ready between seven and eight in the morning. It cannot be delayed a moment beyond that time.' "

"Please help me mount this. This is the last request I shall make of you."

Mary spent the rest of the day and the early hours of the next morning writing farewell letters to friends and relatives, saying goodbye to her ladies-in-waiting, and praying. We rejoin de Bourdeille's account as Mary enters the room designated for her execution and is denied access to her priest:

"The scaffold had been erected in the middle of a large room. It measured twelve feet along each side and two feet in height, and was covered by a coarse cloth of linen.


In CaptivityThe Queen entered the room full of grace and majesty, just as if she were coming to a ball. There was no change on her features as she entered.

Drawing up before the scaffold, she summoned her major-domo and said to him:

'Please help me mount this. This is the last request I shall make of you.'

Then she repeated to him all that she had said to him in her room about what he should tell her son. Standing on the scaffold, she asked for her almoner, (chaplain) begging the officers present to allow him to come. But this was refused point-blank. The Count of Kent told her that he pitied her greatly to see her thus the victim of the superstition of past ages, advising her to carry the cross of Christ in her heart rather than in her hand. To this she replied that it would be difficult to hold a thing so lovely in her hand and not feel it thrill the heart, and that what became every Christian in the hour of death was to bear with him the true Symbol of Redemption."

"Nay, my good man, touch me not!"

Standing on the scaffold, Mary angrily rejects her captors' offer of a Protestant minister to give her comfort. She kneels while she begs that Queen Elizabeth spare her ladies-in-waiting and prays for the conversion of the Isle of Britain and Scotland to the Catholic Church:

"When this was over, she summoned her women to help her remove her black veil, her head-dress, and other ornaments. When the executioner attempted to do this, she cried out:

'Nay, my good man, touch me not!'

But she could not prevent him from touching her, for when her dress was lowered as far as her waist; the scoundrel caught her roughly by the arm and pulled off her doublet. Her skirt was cut so low that her neck and throat, whiter than alabaster, were revealed. She concealed these as well as she could, saying that she was not used to disrobing in public, especially before so large an assemblage. There were about four or five hundred people present.

The executioner fell to his knees before her and implored her forgiveness. The Queen told him that she willingly forgave him and alI who were responsible for her death, as freely as she hoped her sins would be forgiven by God. Turning to the woman to whom she, had given her handkerchief, she asked for it.

She wore a golden crucifix, made out of the wood of the true cross, with a picture of Our Lord on it. She was about to give this to one of her women, but the executioner forbade it, even though Her Majesty had promised that the woman would give him thrice its value in money.

After kissing her women once more, she bade them go, with her blessing, as she made the sign of the cross over them. One of them was unable to keep from crying, so that the Queen had to impose silence upon her by saying she had promised that nothing of the kind would interfere with the business in hand. They were to stand back quietly, pray to God for her soul, and bear truthful testimony that she had died in the bosom of the Holy Catholic religion.

One of the women then tied the handkerchief over her eyes. The Queen quickly, and with great courage, knelt down, showing no signs of faltering. So great was her bravery that all present were moved, and there were few among them that could refrain from tears. In their hearts they condemned themselves for the injustice that was being done.

The executioner, or rather the minister of Satan, strove to kill not only her body but also her soul, and kept interrupting her prayers. The Queen repeated in Latin the Psalm beginning In te, Damine, speravi; nan canfundar in aeternum. When she was through she laid her head on the block, and as she repeated the prayer, the executioner struck her a great blow upon the neck, which was not, however, entirely severed. Then he struck twice more, since it was obvious that he wished to make the victim's martyrdom all the more severe. It was not so much the suffering, but the cause, that made the martyr.

The executioner then picked up the severed head and, showing it to those present, cried out: 'God save Queen Elizabeth! May all the enemies of the true Evangel thus perish!'

Saying this, he stripped off the dead Queen's head-dress, in order to show her hair, which was now white, and which she had been afraid to show to everyone when she was still alive, or to have properly dressed, as she did when her hair was fair and light.

It was not old age that had turned it white, for she was only thirty-five when this took place, and scarcely forty when she met her death, but the troubles, misfortunes, and sorrows which she had suffered, especially in her prison."
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2014, 05:47:05 pm »


POLLS CLOSED - Here's RT's Report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uneHAEYvKk


… and  ~>"The Queen is said to be following the referendum closely. Sky is reporting royal sources that she will be watching the results of the referendum with Prince Philip at Balmoral."
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2014, 06:25:23 pm »
Why vote YES in the Scottish Independence (David Anthony McCourt)
http://youtu.be/H0B7Xr9Z2js

For a laugh put on the closed caption and see how bad it screws it up. LMAO
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2014, 06:57:51 pm »
I think its a good idea but not the right time...1 in 5 in Scotland is on disability which the English tax payers pay...if Scotland go's independent,right now they don't have enough money to take care of things...

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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2014, 08:09:35 pm »


First official results are in.

Clackmannanshire Results: Yes: 46% No: 54%. #indyref
— Britain Elects (@britainelects) September 19, 2014


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More than two thirds of those on the Orkney Islands - themselves a distant part of Scotland, culturally and geographically - have voted against changes to the status quo.

Orkney result: 14,907 turnout of 87.3% Yes 4,883 No 10,004 Rejected 20 #indyrefhttp://t.co/t5k5Yk9Hqe
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2014, 08:21:33 pm »

IF I LEAVE HERE TOMORROW, WOULD YOU STILL REMEMBER ME?  I MUST BE TRAVEL'N ON NOW....  IF I STAY WITH YOU QUEENY, THINGS JUST COULDN'T BE SAME. BECAUSE I'M AS FREE AS  BIRD NOW AND THIS BIRD YOU CAN NEVER CHANGE!
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2014, 08:25:24 pm »
I hope the Groom of the Stool did his job well because its time for the Scottsmen to pucker up again.

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2014, 09:03:53 pm »


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In view of how the evening is turning out, the Yes campaigners are now telling the media that anything over 45 percent would be "a good result."
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2014, 10:39:21 pm »
It's like a Ron Paul primary. Leading in the polls and then all of a sudden the flip. Did you expect anything else?
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2014, 10:52:24 pm »
It's like a Ron Paul primary. Leading in the polls and then all of a sudden the flip. Did you expect anything else?

Ya, The Scots aren't likely to be as placid about ballot box improprieties as the US.   :)

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Electoral fraud allegations at Glasgow count
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Electoral fraud allegations at Glasgow count
Martyn McLaughlin - Scotsman - 19th September 2014

POLICE were last night investigating allegations of electoral fraud at the largest independence referendum count in the country.

Officials at Glasgow City Council said there had been allegations of at least 10 instances of fraud where people have attempted to pretend to be someone they are not. It is understood the allegations are not confined to one polling station in the city, but involve several.

The suspicious papers were identified soon after the count got underway at the Emirates Arena in the east end of the city at 10pm last night.

continues:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/electoral-fraud-allegations-at-glasgow-count-1-3546616


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Check this video out, it appears to show a vote counter moving "yes votes" from one pile, into another pile of "NO votes"
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2014, 11:35:24 pm »
It's crazy, should be about 90% yes. What the hell? Do you want your country to be ruled by the Queen of another country. Why, sure I do. Who could vote that way?
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2014, 12:00:42 am »
Ya, the streets were really alive with YES campaigns from what I saw on the net and the establishment media seem pretty biased on coverage of the YES turnout.

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Glasgow says... Yes
Scotland's biggest city votes Yes.
Yes: 194,729
No: 169,347
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2014, 12:15:56 am »
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West Lothian #indyref result: No votes 62,714; Yes 65,628 votes - http://bit.ly/1riaN7F

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2014, 12:21:28 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRWWilODlsc&list=UUum3XXSnNRZOWuR3Ojc28eQ


SHOCKING! More Blatent Vote Rigging During Scottish Independence Count In Edinburgh
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VOTE FRAUD IN SCOTTISH REFERENDUM?
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html


In Dundee, a fire alarm led to the evacuation of the building where the vote was being counted. http://www.mirror.co.uk

In Dundee, a strong YES area, the count was suspended twice due to fire alarms.

The turnout in the strong YES area of Dundee was 78.8%, which is lower than in other areas.

In Dundee, 'Yes' ballot papers were spotted on a 'No' table.

The turnout in the strong YES area of Glasgow was 75%, which is lower than in other areas.

The county known as Clackmannanshire was expected to vote YES.

But it was announced that NO had got 54% of the vote in Clackmannanshire.

Scottish independence: Yes County votes No

In Scotland as a whole, NO got more votes than the polls had predicted.
Margot MacDonald, former deputy leader of the Scottish National Party, wrote to the boss of MI5, Andrew Parker (above) asking for an assurance that MI5 spies would not interfere in the referendum on independence for Scotland.

MI5 spies told : stay out of referendum.

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Margot MacDonald

In Scotland "children as young as three have been registered to vote and received polling cards."

Scottish independence: Vote rigging fears.

According to Scotland on Sunday "a formal complaint is to be made to the returning officer at East Ayrshire Council after activists discovered that at least four children in the area aged between three and 11 have received polling cards."

In the 1979 devolution referendum, some dead people were given the vote.

Scottish independence: Vote rigging fears.


www.dailyrecord.co.uk.

Maureen Mackay told Scotland on Sunday:  "The problem is that our voting system means that all you have to do is turn up and say where you live. There is no check to verify who you are so any votes registered with children could be used by adults."

One in four Scots believes M15 is working with the UK Government to prevent independence, one  poll revealed.

The poll found nearly as many thought the referendum vote would be rigged.

One in four Scots believe UK spies are working against independence

A reader of Scotland on Sunday comments:

"I know of an Edinburgh Tory councillor who on the night of the 1979 Devolution referendum was boasting that he had voted No six times."


John Major, who won the 1992 election, was involved in the 1991 Gulf War.

In the 1992 general election, the exit polls suggested a Labour win, and yet the Conservatives under John Major were declared the winners.

Was the 1992 election rigged?

With the current Scottish referendum there are no exit polls.

"Informed sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, have told Press TV that absence of international observers to monitor the independence referendum and close competition between pro- and anti-independence camps are the main reasons that have strengthened suspicion of vote-rigging attempts...

"A survey conducted by Britain-based ICM research foundation and released on Sunday, showed that the pro-independence campaign enjoyed 54-percent support compared to the 46 percent for anti-independence campaign."

Sources warn of vote rigging in Scotland's independence

A posting on the “Independent Scot” Facebook page states, "Given the disparity between official poll results and the turnout at Yes meetings and unofficial polls, there has been a bit of a rumble that people are worried the real vote on 18th September will be nobbled."


Margot MacDonald

Margo MacDonald was a former deputy leader of the Scottish National Party.

She said, before she died, that there are MI5 agents operating inside the Scottish National Party.

MI5 spies told : stay out of referendum


Willie McRae, former Vice Chairman of the Scottish National party, reportedly murdered by the spooks.

Allegedly, MI5 and its friends were involved in the assassinations of the following Scottish politicians:

1. Robin Cook, the former Foreign Secretary who told the UK parliament that al Qaeda worked for the CIA.

2. John Smith, the leader of the Labour Party whose death led to Tony Blair becoming prime Minister.

3. Willie McRae, former Vice Chairman of the Scottish National Party.

SPIES IN POLITICS; MURDERS; BRAINWASHING


wingsoverscotland.com.

Allegedly, MI5 and its friends were involved in:

1. The downing of PanAm 103 over Lockerbie.

2. CIA torture flights using Scottish airports.


Very few people have turned out to support the NO campaign. Above we see Lord Robertson.

The following is:

The British plan to steal Scotland's independence referendum

By Wayne Madsen, September 10 2014.

September 10-11, 2014 - The British plan to steal ...

1. Informed British sources have revealed that the British government... has colluded with the British media to downplay in articles, news ... and ... opinion polls the actual strength of the pro-independence 'Yes' campaign in Scotland.

2. The hyped news reports, including "news" about a looming terrorist threat and a new royal baby, as well as skewed polling numbers, according to our sources, is to prepare the country for a razor-thin loss for the pro-independence "Yes" vote in...

3. Our sources report that the actual "Yes" for independence vote is leading the "No" vote by a full 11 percentage points...


www.dailymail.co.uk.

5. Knowledgeable British sources say that massive election manipulation, including tampering with the absentee postal votes, is what is in store for Scotland on referendum day...

6. The vote will be immediately declared by the media and British government to be "conclusive" as the "will of the Scottish people."


Of course, any suggestion that the vote was rigged will be immediately be discounted as an unfounded "conspiracy theory." ...
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Anonymous18 September 2014 21:26
Dear Scots if you happen to see Jeb Bush, George Bush, or Karl Rov hanging around while the votes are being counted...watch them closely! Better yet force them to leave. Whatever you do do not request the US Supreme Court to decide your election. AND by no means send those criminals back here to the states. May the spirit of William Wallace guide you!

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Anonymous18 September 2014 21:32
Remember William Wallace! Scots do not accept anything but an independent Scotland. You could very well begin a movement that just might spred around the world.

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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2014, 12:34:31 am »
Well that was pretty much expected.  Next question will be how much longer can we put up with the pretense of bombing our own and other countries for the cause of democracy

The British plan to steal Scotland’s independence referendum
By Wayne Madsen on September 13, 2014

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=103967
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1. Informed British sources have revealed that the British government… has colluded with the British media to downplay in articles, news … and … opinion polls the actual strength of the pro-independence ‘Yes’ campaign in Scotland.

2. The hyped news reports, including “news” about a looming terrorist threat and a new royal baby, as well as skewed polling numbers, according to our sources, is to prepare the country for a razor-thin loss for the pro-independence “Yes” vote in…

3. Our sources report that the actual “Yes” for independence vote is leading the “No” vote by a full 11 percentage points…

4. Cameron raised the terrorist threat level to the second highest category in response to an alleged plot by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) to carry out attacks in Britain as a way to convince Scottish voters they were safer inside the UK.

5. There is concern on both sides of the Scottish border that the British government might stage a terrorist incident a day or two before the September 18 referendum.

Whatever would be planned is said to be designed to unite the entire UK in grieving just before the referendum, thus swinging Yes votes to the No column…

6. The pre-referendum drop in value of the British pound appears to be manipulated and there is no better person in the world of currency manipulation than Mr. Soros, who became a billionaire by shorting currencies.

7. The British government’s friends at the European Union headquarters in Brussels have warned Scotland that it will have to reapply for EU membership…

8. Britain’s intelligence and NATO allies have also been called upon to weigh in with comments about the dire problems if Scotland votes to break the union.

9. Among the leaders who have abandoned neutrality and come to London’s defense are U.S. President Barack Obama, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

10. Scotland has been told that it will be expelled from the FIVE EYES intelligence alliance of the U.S., UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand until it “proves” itself as a trustworthy intelligence ally…

11. Scots make up a majority of the British MI6 Secret Intelligence Service ranks and are among the best analysts and cryptographers within Britain’s NSA counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ).

By keeping “Releasable to GBR” within the FIVE EYES pact and refusing to consider a “Releasable to SCO” caveat, the FIVE EYES will effectively become “FOUR AND A HALF EYES.”

12. India’s External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, a Zionist version of Indira Gandhi, when asked about the prospect of Scotland’s independence, responded, “God forbid!”

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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ No!
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2014, 05:22:59 am »
 The vote was set to fail when they allowed 16 year olds to vote; which make no sense to me: But it is the plan of the NWO to GET THE YOUTH!  >:(
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2014, 06:40:18 am »
 I'm dissapointed, though not suprised.
 The NWO conglomerate was determined to undermine the movement,.
 The bright side, voting was over 80% of the population, people are getting involved.
 The Crimean vote was over 90%, something is going on my friends, a a wake up call,            the people. ;)

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2014, 06:51:11 am »


… probably rigged/manipulated as most
elections are. Thanx to jerryweaver for all
the info pointing this out.

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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2014, 07:15:45 am »
Well I for one am still glad that the Uk is whole. What is with this Brit bashing on Infowars. I hate the Queen as well but love my country!
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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2014, 08:46:01 am »
Sky News video:  A 'Yes' vote in the 'No' pile
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153135522114045&fref=nf


Election Fraud in Scotland
British managers stuffing box
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RCe55y0dw

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Re: SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE ~ Yes or No?
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2014, 09:25:45 am »
QUESTION FOR SCOTTISH VOTERS

Do you have electronic voting machines ANYWHERE in the voting process.

For Example.

In Colorado USA the voter THINKS they are 'hand writing' their vote when in fact the hand written vote gets ran through a electronic tally machine.
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2014, 09:54:20 am »
Well I for one am still glad that the Uk is whole. What is with this Brit bashing on Infowars. I hate the Queen as well but love my country!

 … I love England, too … I'm all-American but my forebears were
English (and Dutch and German!) … I don't understand all the
ramifications, and how a YES vote would have affected individual
income, etc … but it is just that I (and a lot of other forum-ers)
are for smaller, de-centralized government around the world … to
preserve the inherent cultural and geographical norms and standards
and promote truly LOCAL GOVERNANCE and control.


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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2014, 10:09:37 am »
SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE VOTE RIGGING EXPOSED - Smoking Gun Evidence of Vote Being Rigged!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJif7vISQg#t=98

I really not surprised.  All voting is rigged across the globe.
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2014, 10:28:21 am »
^^^


 … thanks donna … everything is rigged.


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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2014, 10:34:53 am »
Russian Election Observers: Westminster Rigged Scottish Independence Vote
http://www.infowars.com/russian-election-observers-westminster-rigged-scottish-independence-vote/
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Kremlin-aligned body sensationally claims vote count was fixed to secure 'no' victory

Speaking to RIA Novosti, Georgy Fyodorov, the head of the Kremlin-aligned Association for the Protection of Electoral Rights, stated that, “According to what our observers at the polling offices tell us, there were more Yes votes during the vote count.”
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2014, 10:46:34 am »
There is a silver lining to this though; it's clear the "YES VOTE" beat the "NO VOTE," so there are a lot more people who are awakened to the idea of INDEPENDENCE.  The numbers are growing.  The MSM (the whores for the globalist), of course, would like to make you believe you are alone in the rebellion of tyranny--but you're not!

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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2014, 10:52:37 am »


R  E  C  O  U  N  T!
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2014, 10:55:05 am »

R  E  C  O  U  N  T!

No revote with securities in place.  Because we know some of the ballots were written in by the people counting.
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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2014, 11:29:14 am »
With so much energy expended on this Referendum, the obvious violation of rule of law and the social contract I don't see the relations between
the people and the politicians improving. Eventually the people will stop playing games with these criminal elements pretending to represent them.
Is that why the Ruskies are talking this up? 





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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2014, 11:59:10 am »
 This is funny...


 

Turnout in Scotland’s independence referendum is expected to be very high, but surely not as big as CNN was predicting on Thursday night.
In a news report on the network’s evening broadcast, a graphic appeared on screen which showed that Scotland has given the independence referendum 110 percent.
According to the graphic, 58 percent of Scots had said ‘yes,’ and 52 percent voted ‘no,’ which adds up to 110 percent of the country's populace.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761778/Something-doesn-t-add-CNN-Reports-110-turnout-Scottish-independence-vote.html#ixzz3DmWbv8x9
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2014, 12:35:08 pm »
The Nazis' pulled off another FIX in the MIX! [yes: Voter Fraud!]

...and; this means, we all get screwed...all around the world...

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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2014, 06:53:35 am »
Has anyone noted that ALL MAJOR votes to day in the 'free world' are only a couple %'s?
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2014, 07:11:52 am »
     I haven't posted in here on this subject, thinking how dumb( ok bad word)  thinking how asleep could the Scots be thinking they could just VOTE their way to independence. 

       
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2014, 11:34:18 am »


If enough people understood the truth it would change the electoral process a bit, no?