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So that everyone has at least some idea of what compelled me to create this thread in the first place, please consider the following hypothetical scenario.

It's October 2016. There's a nationally televised presidential debate between four candidates: (a) Hilldog, (b) Jeb Bush, (c) Rand Paul, and (d) a "progressive libertarian" candidate whom I'll call Bill Smith.

The first question posed to each of the four candidates is:

"Do you support the NEED Act?"

--  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2990.IH:

--  http://www.monetary.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/HR-2990.pdf

--  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zarlenga/sequesters-shutdowns-and-_b_4086071.html

Bill Smith responds: "Yes, I do."

How do the other three candidates respond?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 03:31:32 pm »
Jesse Ventura or a Constitution Party candidate.

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 03:39:36 am »
To continue with the aforementioned hypothetical scenario, candidate Bill Smith answers "yes," each time, when asked whether or not he supports the following bills:

The American Freedom Agenda Act.

-- http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=11790

-- http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20071026194436401

-- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-paul-i_b_69042.html

The Surveillance State Repeal Act.

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2818/text

-- http://news.antiwar.com/2013/07/25/rep-holt-introduces-surveillance-state-repeal-act/

The American Sovereignty Restoration Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.1146:

-- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2005-03-08/html/CREC-2005-03-08-pt1-PgE381-3.htm

The Internet Freedom Preservation Act.

-- http://www.freepress.net/release/336

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.5353:

The Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act.

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3553

-- http://www.progress.org/tpr/genetically-engineered-food-right-to-know-act-2/

The Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2306:

-- http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/end-federal-marijuana-prohibition

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr499

The Paper Ballot Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.6200:

-- http://www.petitiononline.com/hndcount/petition.html

-- http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/handcounted.asp

-- http://hackingdemocracy.com

The Voter Freedom Act.

-- http://archive.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul194.html

-- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr3600ih/pdf/BILLS-110hr3600ih.pdf

The Freedom Debate Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2478.IH:

How, on the basis of their actual track records (as opposed to their campaign season rhetoric), do the other three candidates respond?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2mqqCMu-LM
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 07:46:14 am »
The need act looks like bill to possibly start recognizing some constitutional law. A law to recognize a law? Why not just get some guts and vote for the Constitution party so that you know you have a chance of getting more regular people around your local area that could possibly help you when times get rough? Fiat currency problems etc.. There is no actual tea party. These people are republican millionaire that openly work for the pharmaceutical, medical, oil company and other favored commune groups while turning up nose at individual rights.

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 08:29:07 am »
You have to look at their past record to make even a hypothetical yes or no .... after all Campaign promises are just a bunch of fluff ..... look at Ovomit he promised a hell of alot and we know what happened after !

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 10:39:15 pm »
"We The People" is enough for me!  this is the foundation of Freedom.

When people hide: then the Cockroaches come out of the darkness...
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 10:44:47 pm »
"We The People" is enough for me!  this is the foundation of Freedom.

When people hide: then the Cockroaches come out of the darkness...
in explanation: ALL of the Establishment is off base: and we should understand the difference.
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 12:59:52 pm »
Why is it that -- in a society in which the average restaurant menu offers dozens of choices; and in which the average music store, book store and video rental store all offer hundreds of choices -- we're constantly being told over and over again that, in the world of politics, we have at best only three "choices"?

I've heard that question begged a million times, but almost never candidly addressed.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 02:00:36 pm »
Why is it that -- in a society in which the average restaurant menu offers dozens of choices; and in which the average music store, book store and video rental store all offer hundreds of choices -- we're constantly being told over and over again that, in the world of politics, we have at best only three "choices"?

I've heard that question begged a million times, but almost never candidly addressed.
I am not sure of your quote.

We are The People/or/ We are Not!

if the Truth seekers do not get tighter/than/what; WE, can expect, from the dual political system: is the end of mankind.
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 03:10:39 pm »
Political Parties

From the beginning, American political parties have had a tarnished reputation. In his 1796 Farewell Address to the nation, George Washington warned against "the baneful effects of the spirit of party" as inciting American citizens "with ill-founded jealousies."

Historical Influence.The nation began with two political parties — the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans. During early American history politicians tended to take sides, starting with the debate over the Constitution, and continuing with the disagreements between two of George Washington's cabinet members — Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. The tendency has persisted throughout American history.

http://www.ushistory.org/gov/5a.asp
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2014, 03:35:18 pm »
Political Parties

From the beginning, American political parties have had a tarnished reputation. In his 1796 Farewell Address to the nation, George Washington warned against "the baneful effects of the spirit of party" as inciting American citizens "with ill-founded jealousies."

Historical Influence.The nation began with two political parties — the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans. During early American history politicians tended to take sides, starting with the debate over the Constitution, and continuing with the disagreements between two of George Washington's cabinet members — Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. The tendency has persisted throughout American history.

http://www.ushistory.org/gov/5a.asp


A political party is a necessary people-engine that each candidate needs.

May thre will be a day when debates have many parties being offered instead of the globalist 2 that current state run media shows.  You need the CP and the LP along with the internet and talk radio to get out viable alternatives not just the Globalist backed ones.

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2014, 04:02:57 pm »
A political party is a necessary people-engine that each candidate needs.

Yes, but real "choice" is what each voter needs.

Yet, of the three groups mentioned at the start of this thread (establishment Democrats, establishment Republicans and "Tea Party" Republicans), I haven't heard a single leader within any of those three groups promote or endorse any of the reform bills I cited earlier -- the NEED Act, the American Freedom Agenda Act, the Surveillance State Repeal Act, the American Sovereignty Restoration Act, the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, the Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act, the Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act, the Paper Ballot Act (etc.).

All three groups have been united in deafening silence on each and every one of those bills.

Yet those who support most if not all of those reform measures are being effectively told that said groups are the "only" three options available to them -- and then are basically screamed at if they express equally deep-rooted displeasure with all three.

Not exactly a wise way to win the hearts and minds of independent-minded voters, is it?

And then people wonder why America has one of the lowest voter turnouts in the world.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2014, 03:25:57 pm »
Let me begin by stating that I am not a member of the TEA Party, and I am not a supporter of any particular candidate or political party at this time. I was involved very early on with the original grass roots movement, before it was "co-opted" by the MSP (main stream politicians).  Few people seem to remember (or possibly never knew) that the TEA part of TEA party was originally an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already". 

The first rally I went to was a truly beautiful thing.  It was a conglomeration of a variety of citizens rallying together to voice their concerns about the (then) current state of politics in our country.  There were a variety of hand made signs, touting the slogans of the individuals carrying them.  Everyone didn't necessarily agree on every last detail, but we were united in our resolve to make a difference and our voices heard.  However, during a gathering immediately following the rally, I was exposed to a local politician who, seeing the beauty and power of the events that took place that day, was already formulating the ways that he could tack HIS ambitions onto OUR message for HIS own political gain.  Frankly, I was crushed.  The true spirit of that day was wiped away in an instant.

Refusing, however, to let the spark of the fire I saw that day go out completely, I have continued researching and educating myself not only on the flash traffic and contemporary issues of the day, but the underlying philosophical views and historical events that have brought me (and us) here.  This is a short paragraph I found that seems relevant to this thread, and which caused me to do a lot of thinking. In the interest of not making this post unbearably long and time consuming to read, I will quote the message and submit it for further discussion.  It is from "An Introduction to the American Legal System" second edition by John M. Scheb and John M. Scheb II, Copyright 2010 Aspen Publishers.

LEGISLATURES

"All governments make laws, or legislation.  In a democracy, the governmental institution with primary responsibility for enacting legislation is the legislature.  Legislatures in the U.S. and other democratic countries are composed of the people's elected representatives chosen through free and fair elections.  The members of these assemblies are known as legislators.  In the lawmaking process, legislators follow either the preferences of their constituents or their own best judgement, depending on whether they consider themselves to be delegates or trustees.  The delegate tries to discern what his or her constituents prefer the laws to be and votes accordingly.  The trustee relies on a sense of what is best, irrespective of what his or her constituents prefer.  In reality, legislators often alternate between these approaches, depending on the issue involved.  And, of course, because nearly all legislators are elected as Democrats or Republicans, and because legislatures are organized along party lines, the positions taken by their respective parties are usually quite important in determining how legislators will vote.  Ultimately, what legislators do en masse is a function of constituent preferences, individual policy judgements, and partisan politics."


So, the question that we should perhaps be asking ourselves is whether our representatives are delegates or trustees.
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2014, 04:31:34 pm »
 Americans must be one of the dumbest society in History: as they do not understand that there is only ONE PARTY; and the Drunken Bastards have a PARTY all day long---on our CASH!

The only Party that will take over the world: IS! 'WE THE PEPOLE!" of all Nations---AMEN
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 08:39:50 pm »
If anyone is still a loyal party member of either party, they are a fool! Both parties have lied to and deceived the American people, have violated their oath of office (with few exceptions) and have failed miserably, and so neither deserves your respect.

They are going to have to earn your respect going forward. In the meanwhile, clean house!

If there are any good people left, get behind them!

Purge the worst first, from the top down! Exposé their misdeeds regularly! Every single American must watch their congressmen like a hawk. Do not let them by with any infractions!

Keep exposing the globalists children behind the curtain who manipulate their Hill minions!

Enough!
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Re: Democrat-vs.-Republican-vs.-Tea Party: Yet another "false paradigm"??
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2014, 01:55:00 pm »
Just so everyone knows: I am well aware that Eric Zuesse is a "global warming" cultist, and strongly disagree with his quasi-religious views on that issue.

But even a broken clock is right twice a day, and I think Mr. Zuesse's observations in the following article are absolutely spot on...

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/cause-effect-headlines-day.html

Cause & Effect In The Headlines on The Same Day

Posted on April 3, 2014 by The PROGRESSIVE View - Eric Zuesse

On April 2nd, two news reports at OpEdNews were coincidentally documenting both the cause and the effect of the aristocracy’s growing control over the United States Government.

One story, “First-Ever Political Study of Top 1% Has Found Extreme Conservatism, Intense Political Involvement,” summarized the findings in a landmark research-report which found that America’s top 1% voted almost at a 100% rate (99%), and that their policy-preferences on key issues of social policy, such as taxes and wealth-inequality, were enormously more conservative and pro-Republican than were the American public’s; and also that the top 1% were themselves overwhelmingly Republicans and were big-money Party-donors.

The other story, “Supreme Court Traitors Sell Out America Again With McCutcheon Decision,” described the result of this intense monetary support from the aristocracy for the Republican Party: a 5-to-4 Republican decision (all Democrats were in the 4-vote minority against it) pulling the last stopper off of the ability of the top 1% to buy the U.S. Government. All 5 of the Court’s Republicans voted to tear down just about the last remaining barrier to effectively total control of the U.S. Government by the rich and the super-rich.

Taken together, those two articles — one describing the cause, the other describing the effect — show where this country is going, and how and why it’s going there.

To blame “Big Government” for America’s ills is foolish and is exactly what those aristocrats have paid their propagandists to promote as being the source of this country’s malaise, and the controlling aristocrats know that the problem is instead who controls the government, and how corrupt they are and are causing the U.S. Government to become.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-takes-texas.html

Tea Party Takes Texas

Bob Price
Breitbart
May 28, 2014

HOUSTON, Texas—The Tea Party is alive and well and is firmly established as a dominant force in Texas Republican politics. Victories by Tea Party favorites nearly swept the statewide Republican runoff election.

Establishment candidates like State Representative Dan Branch and State Senator Bob Deuell faded quietly in defeat while strongly supported Tea Party candidates like Sen. Dan Patrick, Sen. Ken Paxton, and former State Rep. Sid Miller sailed to easy victories in their statewide races.

The trend of Tea Party victories continued down the ballot as well. In Senate District 10 (currently held by Sen. Wendy Davis), Tea Party favorite Konni Burton won her race with a 20 point margin over the more moderate Mark Shelton. In a report by Merrill Hope, Burton told Breitbart Texas, “We are so excited.  We’ve been working for this for a year.  Our message has resonated with the voters and we couldn’t be more pleased.” Burton was also supported by U.S. Senator Ted Cruz who, in 2012, proved the Tea Party and grassroots activism can overcome insurmountable odds to bring victory for conservative principles.

In spite of viscous attacks from his moderate opponent, Tea Party faithful’s stood strong beside Sen. Ken Paxton and delivered a victory that was never in doubt after early voting numbers showed a Paxton lead of 24 percent. Throughout the night, the numbers increased and Paxton won the nomination for Texas Attorney General with a 27 point margin of victory over Dan Branch.

Full article here
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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 Any group with a tad of clout will be infiltrated, ANY.
  I remember the Tea Pary's begginings, looked good.
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Cantor's Swift Rise in GOP Ends in Stunning Fall
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 09:21:25 am »
http://online.wsj.com/articles/cantors-swift-rise-in-gop-ends-in-stunning-fall-1402487015

Cantor's Swift Rise in GOP Ends in Stunning Fall

By PATRICK O'CONNOR
The Wall Street Journal
June 11, 2014

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's once-meteoric rise came to an abrupt end Tuesday when the Virginia Republican lost in a shocking defeat that breathes new life into the same conservative lawmakers he had spent much of the past year trying to tame.

The defeat of Mr. Cantor, the first-ever majority leader to lose in a primary, is all the more shocking because the 51-year-old who was widely expected to be the next speaker of the House was so closely identified with the tea-party movement that eventually toppled him.

The Virginian gained national stature as a public foil to President Barack Obama, convincing every Republican in the House to oppose the new president's economic stimulus bill in 2009. He helped found the "Young Guns" movement to usher a younger generation of Republicans into Congress, and he was widely viewed as a bridge between the GOP's establishment and tea-party wings.

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"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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John Boehner: Tea Party makes money by targeting me
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2015, 10:58:33 pm »
Even though I have strong reservations about him, I'll still take Rand Paul over John Boehner any day of the week. (But I'll take a progressive or left-leaning libertarian over either of them, as well as over any Democrat I know of.)

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/01/23/boehner-tea-party-money-target/

John Boehner: Tea Party makes money by targeting me

By: Catalina Camia
USA Today
January 23, 2015

House Speaker John Boehner says Tea Party supporters who like to criticize him for not being conservative enough are targeting him to make money.

In a joint interview with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell airing Sunday, Boehner defends his conservative voting record to Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes and explains his differences with hard-line conservatives in the House Republican conference.

“The issue with the Tea Party isn’t one of strategy. It’s a disagreement over tactics, from time to time,” Boehner said. “Frankly, a lot is being driven by national groups here in Washington who have raised money and (are) just beating the dickens out of me.”

That strategy, Boehner contends, “works. They raise money, put it in their pocket and pay themselves big salaries.”

[Continued...]
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: John Boehner: Tea Party makes money by targeting me
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2015, 06:48:53 am »
Even though I have strong reservations about him, I'll still take Rand Paul over John Boehner any day of the week. (But I'll take a progressive or left-leaning libertarian over either of them, as well as over any Democrat I know of.)

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/01/23/boehner-tea-party-money-target/

John Boehner: Tea Party makes money by targeting me

By: Catalina Camia
USA Today
January 23, 2015

House Speaker John Boehner says Tea Party supporters who like to criticize him for not being conservative enough are targeting him to make money.

In a joint interview with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell airing Sunday, Boehner defends his conservative voting record to Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes and explains his differences with hard-line conservatives in the House Republican conference.

“The issue with the Tea Party isn’t one of strategy. It’s a disagreement over tactics, from time to time,” Boehner said. “Frankly, a lot is being driven by national groups here in Washington who have raised money and (are) just beating the dickens out of me.”

That strategy, Boehner contends, “works. They raise money, put it in their pocket and pay themselves big salaries.”

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It would seem The Rat's are biting the other Rat's---our system is an Evil Stew of Liars; Thieves; Drunks; Drug User [legal & illegal]; Adulterer's; Perverts at every level; TAX Cheats; Embezzlers; and with all these ingredients; we can still add more to The EVIL Stew of Deception!

Interesting article  8)
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Re: John Boehner: Tea Party makes money by targeting me
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2015, 10:24:53 am »
Even though I have strong reservations about him, I'll still take Rand Paul over John Boehner any day of the week. (But I'll take a progressive or left-leaning libertarian over either of them, as well as over any Democrat I know of.)

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/01/23/boehner-tea-party-money-target/

John Boehner: Tea Party makes money by targeting me

By: Catalina Camia
USA Today
January 23, 2015

House Speaker John Boehner says Tea Party supporters who like to criticize him for not being conservative enough are targeting him to make money.

In a joint interview with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell airing Sunday, Boehner defends his conservative voting record to Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes and explains his differences with hard-line conservatives in the House Republican conference.

“The issue with the Tea Party isn’t one of strategy. It’s a disagreement over tactics, from time to time,” Boehner said. “Frankly, a lot is being driven by national groups here in Washington who have raised money and (are) just beating the dickens out of me.”

That strategy, Boehner contends, “works. They raise money, put it in their pocket and pay themselves big salaries.”

[Continued...]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E_0PXZSJNM