Author Topic: Re: Vladimir Putin  (Read 138907 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

EvadingGrid

  • Guest
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2013, 11:40:04 am »
Who does Putin think he is now--OH ya arrest anyone Putin says so?--I say F*ck Putin--if other Americans like him; that's their problem--as for me I do Not Trust a commie!

Wot on earth are you rambling on about ?

Have you not realized that Russia won the cold war - as they got freedoms, low taxes, land, oil, gas, gold in the bank, fair elections and a space program.

Meanwhile in America you got the CIA (Which is just American miss-spelling of KGB) doing secret arrests, spying on everybody, and state ownership of industry through banking, crippling taxes and rigged elections.



Offline Anon27

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 531
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2013, 12:30:33 pm »
Who does Putin think he is now--OH ya arrest anyone Putin says so?--I say F*ck Putin--if other Americans like him; that's their problem--as for me I do Not Trust a commie!

Irrelevant statements.

Quote
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"], short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.

Was the detainment of the Russian Official a breach of diplomatic protocol?

Do you expect any leader to be pleased, publically, if one of their diplomats is detained?

These are examples of relevant questions.

"Thanks to technological progress,
Big Brother can now be almost as omnipresent as God."

- Aldous Huxley

Offline larsonstdoc

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28,341
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2013, 01:09:46 pm »
Wot on earth are you rambling on about ?

Have you not realized that Russia won the cold war - as they got freedoms, low taxes, land, oil, gas, gold in the bank, fair elections and a space program.

Meanwhile in America you got the CIA (Which is just American miss-spelling of KGB) doing secret arrests, spying on everybody, and state ownership of industry through banking, crippling taxes and rigged elections.




  Well said EvadingGrid.  Their prison became our prison.
I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2013, 02:46:50 pm »
Wot on earth are you rambling on about ?

Have you not realized that Russia won the cold war - as they got freedoms, low taxes, land, oil, gas, gold in the bank, fair elections and a space program.

Meanwhile in America you got the CIA (Which is just American miss-spelling of KGB) doing secret arrests, spying on everybody, and state ownership of industry through banking, crippling taxes and rigged elections.



When Americans look to Putin and Russia for our Freedom--We lose All Our Hard Fought dignity--and if you trust the Commies, that is your choice--NOT ME! I'll Look To the Founding Fathers for the Truth of my Freedoms: Even though our Nation is Falling apart: there is NO WAY I Will Ever Trust COMMIES. Hey they said they would take over the USA without a fight---and by the comments I can see this is what is happening. so learn how to speak Russian!
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #84 on: October 08, 2013, 06:44:52 pm »
When Americans look to Putin and Russia for our Freedom--We lose All Our Hard Fought dignity--and if you trust the Commies, that is your choice--NOT ME! I'll Look To the Founding Fathers for the Truth of my Freedoms: Even though our Nation is Falling apart: there is NO WAY I Will Ever Trust COMMIES. Hey they said they would take over the USA without a fight---and by the comments I can see this is what is happening. so learn how to speak Russian!
No Reply--so all can learn Russian now--and have a GREAT time living in the airport with Snowden!

 I can not believe that Americans are trusting the PUT-ON KGB MAN--well this is a nail in the coffin of our Republic--That is my opinion and I stand by it!
 
 Oh! I forgot that Put-you-On is a FAKE CHRISTIAN--but it seems that many in the USA love this COMMIE--as I said: "I don't Trust him."--Oh! do Americans like him because he runs around half naked--he looks like a teenage beach bum!
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline TonkaTim

  • Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 440
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #85 on: October 08, 2013, 07:39:26 pm »
iamc2, Got a question for you:

If Putin is a commie... why are the communist always the ones protesting against him & his policies?
To be totally frank I'm far more concerned about the communistic(international socialism) policies that have become pervasive in our country.






Offline jerryweaver

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,430
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #86 on: October 08, 2013, 07:40:39 pm »
No Reply--so all can learn Russian now--and have a GREAT time living in the airport with Snowden!

 I can not believe that Americans are trusting the PUT-ON KGB MAN--well this is a nail in the coffin of our Republic--That is my opinion and I stand by it!
 
 Oh! I forgot that Put-you-On is a FAKE CHRISTIAN--but it seems that many in the USA love this COMMIE--as I said: "I don't Trust him."--Oh! do Americans like him because he runs around half naked--he looks like a teenage beach bum!

Who is being an extremist now? Of course Putin is a political animal! WTF ? How do people become Heads of State ? Where did you think you were posting at iamc2? Unicornplanet? There are not many with clean hands in the real world. His message resonates with a lot of folks.


Offline larsonstdoc

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28,341
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #87 on: October 08, 2013, 07:52:33 pm »
http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

  Excerpt from the article...45 declared goals written back in 1963

  The Commies are in control here.  The Commies here have outdone the Commies in Russia.  Something we have known for many years here at Prison Planet Forum.

  


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals


1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
 
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
 
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
 
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
 
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
 
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
 
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
 
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
 
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
 
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
 
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
 
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
 
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
 
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
 
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
 
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
 
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
 
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
 
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
 
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
 
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
 
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
 
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
 
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
 
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
 
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
 
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
 
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
 
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
 
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
 
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
 
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
 
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
 
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
 
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
 
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
 
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
 
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
 
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
 
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
 
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
 
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
 
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
 
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
 
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.



I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

Offline jerryweaver

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,430

Offline Monkeypox

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,844
  • He Loved Big Brother
    • Monkeypox
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2013, 09:29:41 pm »
The main difference between Putin and Obama?

Putin loves his country and his people.
War Is Peace - Freedom Is Slavery - Ignorance Is Strength


"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

—Thomas Jefferson

Offline larsonstdoc

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28,341
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #90 on: October 08, 2013, 09:46:57 pm »
The main difference between Putin and Obama?

Putin loves his country and his people.

  Very true
I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2013, 02:41:04 am »
Who is being an extremist now? Of course Putin is a political animal! WTF ? How do people become Heads of State ? Where did you think you were posting at iamc2? Unicornplanet? There are not many with clean hands in the real world. His message resonates with a lot of folks.


If history tells a tail: Then The USA created the GAY UNICORN RUSSIAN EXTREMISTS: NOT I...AND, WHO PUMPED MONEY INTO THE RED COMMIES AFTER WWII? OH! THE USA DID! AS for your little comics: for one I am NOT GAY/ nor an Extremist/ nor do I live on Planet Unicorn--if you are going to insult me : can you do it with words and not silly cartoons---I thought you we more intelligent than that.

 So when Russian Troops/under orders from the USA/ show up here/maybe all the PUT=ON LOVERS will find a UNICORN HORN STUCK IN THIER ARSE!

 The USA has been under COMMIE Control since the days of FDR! Or go farther back to 1913/ the Federal Reserve: The COMMIE COMPANY!

 [side note: as for the GAY Remark: I am a Mans man and always have been: I was raise to be strong: Today we have a bunch of Metrosexual Boys running around in adult bodies and they are destroying our Nation. Enough said--end of story.]
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline jerryweaver

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,430
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2013, 03:36:42 am »
I hear you iamc2 about the Russians.
Bill Clinton didn't fix the country So we elected Bush, he was worse.
So we elected Obama, he promised hope and change.
Obama is a huge disappointment and DC is no help.
Putin appears to offer a counter to the mess in DC.

Problem - Reaction cycle

Pain avoidance and we keep running right into more pain.

Even Ron Paul is a political animal .

Ron Paul never publicly said two obvious things - 9/11 truth and the gold is gone.

My point is we are not going to find clean leaders anywhere except in a utopia that doesn't exist ( Unicorn Planet )

As far as the gay comment on the cartoon it it is just that. a cartoon.

Russians have common history with the US.

The Czars were our allies in quite a few wars and economic ventures.

These friendly post WWII relations we have with Britain and Israel is a new thing.

Russia in the 1900s was an ally of the US and had interest free banking .

Principles and policies,  not personalities should be our focus.

Currently the Russians have low debt and are not empire building.

The Chinese on the other hand have a debt problem because they own US treasuries and have been empire building.










Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #93 on: October 09, 2013, 05:26:55 am »
I hear you iamc2 about the Russians.
Bill Clinton didn't fix the country So we elected Bush, he was worse.
So we elected Obama, he promised hope and change.
Obama is a huge disappointment and DC is no help.
Putin appears to offer a counter to the mess in DC.

Problem - Reaction cycle

Pain avoidance and we keep running right into more pain.

Even Ron Paul is a political animal .

Ron Paul never publicly said two obvious things - 9/11 truth and the gold is gone.

My point is we are not going to find clean leaders anywhere except in a utopia that doesn't exist ( Unicorn Planet )

As far as the gay comment on the cartoon it it is just that. a cartoon.

Russians have common history with the US.

The Czars were our allies in quite a few wars and economic ventures.

These friendly post WWII relations we have with Britain and Israel is a new thing.

Russia in the 1900s was an ally of the US and had interest free banking .

Principles and policies,  not personalities should be our focus.

Currently the Russians have low debt and are not empire building.

The Chinese on the other hand have a debt problem because they own US treasuries and have been empire building.










You make valid points jerryweaver and I know that my points are valid, also, WE ARE AMERICANS FIRST---I understand that Russia helped us in the Revolutionary War---I study History and am very well read---this situation is NO JOKE---THIS NATION IS IN BIG TROUBLE--and Russia with the PUTON Man is NOT OUR SAVIOR---Thanks for your point of view---I stand by my statement: "I DO NOT TRUST COMMIES OR NAZIS'."

As I SAID THIS NATION HAS BEEN UNDER COMMIE/NAZI CONTROL FOR MY LIFETIME AND YOURS!

 When Russia Tells China to fall Off Earth--Then I MIGHT believe them--Until they do this--they can go to HELL!

 Oh! and remember that China and Russia have been running WAR GAMES/for a First Strike against the USA since 1995--check out 'Janes International'
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline chris jones

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21,814
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2013, 06:32:04 pm »
 Who do ya trust, remember that show, will the real leader please stand up.
 
 I don't trust any of them at this point in my life. Some sad shiite isn't it!..Putin doesn't have to do anything to bring down the USA,             Oby and the elite crew & suklings are doing it by the numbers!.
The USSR had their day in the sandbox (Afghanistan) they were broken, our regimes have been there for a decade and folks wonder why the muck we are in debt.

Offline jerryweaver

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,430
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #95 on: October 13, 2013, 11:10:37 pm »

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,433
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #96 on: October 23, 2013, 08:50:33 am »


... some of this article from WAKING TIMES is
a little 'woo-woo' ... but, in general, I agree ...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Waking Up to Vladimir Putin’s Uncommon Common Sense

October 21, 2013

First and foremost we should be governed by common sense.
~ Vladimir Putin (Time Magazine, 2007)



President Vladimir Putin is audaciously attempting to remove the brush covering from atop the common sense rabbit hole, which is not only a truly rare and subversive act in the eyes of the Con, but a potentially great gift to humanity – if only humanity had the sensitivity to appreciate it.

Nonetheless, this will no doubt prove to be a thrilling ride for those willing to take up the challenge. Russians are fortunate to have such a sane leader, and the West would be wise to follow his lead, but what exactly does Mr. Putin mean by Common Sense?

Here’s a quick peek at a couple of dictionary definitions:

1)     Sound judgment not based on specialized knowledge; native good judgment.

2)     The basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things.

The ability to soundly judge is important to understanding what common sense is all about, as is the fact that judgment is not an isolated act made according to individuated, specialized knowledge, but of something that is of a more general nature that is shared, common or native to the species as a whole.

To better understand how common sense operates as a cognitive process, Aristotle provides a clear and useful description:

The reason for having several senses is in fact that it increases the chances that we can distinguish and recognize things correctly.] Each sense is used to identify distinctions, such as sight identifying the difference between black and white, but, says Aristotle, all animals with perception must have “some one thing” which can distinguish black from sweet.]

see section on “Aristotelian Common Sense” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

This shared or common sense, as opposed to a two-step Stimulus-Response model, appears to operate, according to Aristotle’s description, as a three-step process:

A) Perception

B) Understanding (through comparative analysis)

C) Judgment

Why is something as fundamental and basic to humanity’s existence operating according to a three-step rather than two-step process?

If you look around the world today, everything is presented in opposing, pairs: A-B. Not A-B-C.

As such, critical A-B-C thinking, aka Common Sense is fundamental to the evolution of awareness, consciousness, cooperation and love which seems to occur with great frequency in nature, but not nearly as much in most human societies.

Quote
Mr. Putin has tirelessly and with increasing success preached his neo-Gnostic common sense gospel to a Russian population that has in the not-so-distant past become familiar on an unprecedented scale with such intense suffering and pain that an increasingly large portion of them now appear eager to listen to and act upon Putin’s challenge to reclaim their common heritage as intelligent, discerning and consciously evolving individuals in a country of rich heritage and national achievement. This development on a national scale is uncommon.

The economic prosperity that Putin’s leadership has helped generate, impressive as it is, pales in comparison to the raising of individual consciousness en masse in Russia, which is what can happen to a nation when real common sense is applied to governance. That requires rare leadership qualities on a level that few in other countries have experienced in a long while.

Quote
When an individual like Vladimir Putin, who both at home and abroad is recognized as having an authentic character, repeatedly demonstrates sane, balanced actions, as he declares the rule of law and common sense governance as the goals of the nation and backs it up with corresponding actions, he naturally enjoys widespread support and trust.

READ THE VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE HERE ~~~~>http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/10/21/waking-vladimir-putins-uncommon-common-sense/

St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline chris jones

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21,814
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2013, 02:19:56 pm »
 The USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was a lesson learned..$$$$$$$$ and blood.

 The USA ....has invaded in the numbers........common sense - which way did it go.....?

Offline chris jones

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21,814
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2013, 03:41:23 pm »
The USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was a lesson learned..$$$$$$$$ and blood.

 The USA ....has invaded in the numbers........common sense - which way did it go.....?
P.S.
        I had to get back on this......The Soviet war in Afghanistan lasted ONLY nine years from December 1979 to February 1989. Part of the Cold War, it was fought between Soviet-led Afghan forces against multi-national insurgent groups called the Mujahideen. The insurgents received military training in neighboring Pakistan and China,[9] as well as weapons and billions of dollars from the United States, United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, and other countries.[3][4][5][9][24] The decade-long war resulted in millions of Afghans fleeing their country, mostly to Pakistan and Iran. Hundreds of thousands of Afghan civilians were killed in addition to the rebels in the war.
The initial Soviet deployment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan began on December 24, 1979, under Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev.[25] The final troop withdrawal started on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989, under the last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev. Due to the interminable nature of the war, the conflict in Afghanistan has sometimes been referred to as the "Soviet Union's Vietnam War" or the "Bear Trap".[26][27][28]
           WTF are we doing in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. etc. etc..They're bring this country down...Common sense...

EvadingGrid

  • Guest
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2013, 08:59:34 am »
So on the plus side, its only a question of time before the american empire collapses ?

Offline larsonstdoc

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28,341
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2013, 09:46:12 am »
So on the plus side, its only a question of time before the american empire collapses ?

  They are delaying Obummercare so that should buy the USA some time BUT WE ALSO HAVE THINGS GOING ON LIKE THE ARTICLE BELOW.  AS LONG AS WE CAN PRINT MONEY AND PEOPLE CAN STILL USE IT, WE'RE IN BUSINESS.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-49-americans-get-gov-t-benefits-82m-households-medicaid

Census: 49% of Americans Get Gov’t Benefits; 82M in Households on Medicaid

I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

Offline larsonstdoc

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28,341
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2013, 11:37:24 am »
So on the plus side, its only a question of time before the american empire collapses ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6rUP6aUE7Y

  Great audio/video.  If you are a subscriber to Rense, the audio is over 40 minutes of stuff that is unbelievable.  THE COUNTRY IS DEAD. WE CAN'T SAVE THIS COUNTRY. OBAMA'S CHANGE IS GOING TO TURN INTO OBAMA'S CHAINS FOR THE GUPPIES THAT BELIEVE HIM.  THE REPUBLICAN'TS ARE DEAD.  THE ILLEGALS ARE GOING TO GET THEIR WAY.

Jeff Rense & Texe Marrs - America In A Death Spiral
I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

Offline TahoeBlue

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,152
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #102 on: October 29, 2013, 01:47:46 pm »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478914/Phone-chargers-given-world-leaders-G20-Russian-hosts-able-capture-data-Kremlin.html
Freebie phone chargers and USB sticks given to G20 world leaders by Russian hosts were 'trojan horses to capture data for the Kremlin'
The revelation came after Germany's secret service investigated the devices
It warned that they were 'trojan horses' capable of fishing for information

Warnings have gone out to every government that received them

By Hannah Roberts In Rome
PUBLISHED: 08:53 EST, 29 October 2013 | UPDATED: 12:39 EST, 29 October 2013

It’s claimed that USB drives and phone chargers, given to world leaders at the G20 summit in Russia were 'Trojan horses' capable of sending data back to the Kremlin.


Vladimir Putin welcomes David Cameron for the G20 summit - but were phone charger gifts at the event actually spying devices?

Warnings are said to have gone out to all participating governments, urging them to 'take every possible precaution'.
The sensational allegations were made by the Italian newspapers La Stampa and Corriere della Sera, quoting EU diplomatic sources.
The alarm was apparently first raised by EU President Herman Van Rompuy, who was suspicious of the Russians' gifts.
Within a few days of his return from the conference, President Van Rompuy asked security officials in Brussels to check out the contraptions. They then decided to call in the help of Germans, who confirmed their fears, the sources told Italian media.
The immediate response from technicians in Bonn sent shockwaves throughout diplomatic and security services of half the world.
‘Early analysis showed the USB drive and mobile phone charging cables gifted by the Russians to be Trojan horses- instruments capable of capturing data from computers and mobile phones,’ sources told Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.
...
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,433
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #103 on: October 29, 2013, 03:24:20 pm »
^ ^ ^ ^ ^

 ;D  … a bizarro-world, kindergarten-level attempt
      at hi-tek espionage from KGB-grad VLAD the IMPALER
      -or- a stupid gotcha ploy from EU high-up muckety-muck
      headman Herman Van Rompuy?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"
The investigations into the alleged spying devices were ongoing, the reports said.
It was not known if every foreign delegation and head of state had been given the covert spying devices.
But Brussels sources said they were baffled by the allegations and expressed total confidence in the security of devices used by EU delegates, including at the St Petersburg summit.

A diplomat said it would be a “schoolboy error” to put a free memory stick into a computer at such a summit because of obvious security concerns.

He said any security-trained diplomat would be alert to such unvetted “freebies”.

“We've not found any evidence of a problem," said the European Commission’s official spokesman.

Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, flatly denied the allegations, describing the Italian stories as a poorly disguised effort to divert attention from reports of US intelligence services spying on Angela Merkel and other European allies.

"These are really funny reports, actually. First of all they have no sources. It is a bold attempt to switch attention from very real problems existing between European capitals and Washington. It is a classic example of that," he told the Telegraph on Tuesday.

"

READ ARTICLE ~~~>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10411473/Russia-spied-on-G20-leaders-with-USB-sticks.html

~~~~~~~~~

ALSO ~~~>  Putin’s Spokesman Denies Media Reports of Spying on G20 Powers
http://en.ria.ru/world/20131029/184418465/Putins-Spokesman-Denies-Media-Reports-of-Spying-on-G20-Powers.html

St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,433
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #104 on: October 29, 2013, 04:55:26 pm »



… let's set the WAY-BACK MACHINE to
August 23, 1985. As reported in the
New York Times:

 ::)


SOVIET DENIES USING CHEMICAL TO TRACK AMERICANS

Special to the New York Times
Published: August 23, 1985

MOSCOW, Aug. 22— The Soviet Union denied today that it had used a potentially dangerous chemical in tracking the movements of Americans in Moscow and accused Washington of using the allegations to ''poison the atmosphere between our two countries.''

Tass, the official press agency, published a statement that it said had been handed to the State Department. The statement said the charges were ''absurd,'' ''outrageous'' and a ''gross falsehood.'' The State Department asserted Wednesday that the K.G.B., the Soviet internal security agency, had been using a yellowish synthetic powder to track American diplomats and possibly other foreign residents of Moscow.

In statements made in Washington and read to American residents of Moscow, the State Department said that the synthetic chemical, nitrophenylpentadienal, had been identified as a mutagen, a substance that causes genetic change and that therefore might have the potential to cause cancer.

Briefing for Other Westerners

Today, the charge d'affaires at the United States Embassy, Richard E. Combs Jr., briefed members of other Western embassies on the United States's findings and allegations. The Soviet denial read in full: ''The Soviet side resolutely denies the absurd allegations that some chemical agents are used on the staff of U.S. agencies in the U.S.S.R. Nothing of the kind was ever practiced or is practiced in our country. The attempts to make such claims to us are not only absolutely out of place but also totally unacceptable.

''One cannot help seeing behind the raising of this artificial question a quite definite scheme, that of preparing the ground for another slander campaign against the Soviet Union, poisoning the atmosphere in relations between our countries and fomenting enmity towards the Soviet people.

''It is outrageous that the American side has decided it possible to use such a gross falsehood, which pursues the ends that are far removed from the interests of improving our relationships.

''Protesting against this act of provocation against the U.S.S.R., we are warning that the American side will bear all responsibility for the possible consequences of actions of this sort.''

Quote
There was also considerable speculation on how the Russians would have used the purported tracking agent, and for what specific purposes.

A touch of humor could be heard in many of the conversations among foreigners. Some elaborately wiped their hands before shaking hands, others talked of ''snorting spy dust,'' and still others talked of getting ultraviolet flashlights to check their steering wheels.

READ ARTICLE HERE ~~~>http://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/23/world/soviet-denies-using-chemical-to-track-americans.html

St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline chris jones

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21,814
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #105 on: October 29, 2013, 05:25:54 pm »
  Who do ya trust......
  I honestly don't want to get into Putinas if he the entire topic, so I suppose I'm making a curve, USSR learned the hard way in the Afghanistn invasion, broke, busted, disqusted, vets rattled, body counts and defeated.
   They have been putting the nation ( RUSSIA) back on line, isn't it time the citizens realized we need to do the same.   
Why can't the USA/GP...............get the mucken message.........USSR -VS -Afghanistan was called their Vietnam/ bear trap etc.
                                       What can we call our multiple,  perpetual wars.
                       I'm not praising any gov, just the simple fact wars have collateral effect , the price paid in blood and money is hardly mentioned as if it is herecy, those that do are traitors, disidents, anarchists..
      Any one ever see a MSM broadcast that mentions the wars cost about a billion a day....

Offline OpenSight

  • Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 280
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #106 on: October 30, 2013, 03:15:49 pm »
Not empire building, huh. BSx 55 Billion!!!


Russia's New Empire: Nuclear Power 

...at a multilevel booth for Rosatom, Russia's state-owned nuclear company, which exuded a Steve Jobs vibe of pure whiteness and know-how. That was where “newcomers,” as the Russians fondly call them, from nations that do not have nuclear power plants heard about options and signed cooperation agreements for Rosatom to build or even operate reactors for them.

The big show was all part of a Kremlin-backed $55-billion plan to make Russia a leading global supplier of nuclear power. Already the country intends to build roughly 40 new reactors at home, and it expects as many as 80 orders from other countries by 2030. Included are facilities that would generate power and desalinate water, of particular interest in the Middle East. The expansion comes as Germany is abandoning nuclear power, the U.S. industry is struggling and Japan is in the midst of soul-searching about its post-Fukushima intentions. President Vladimir Putin has called the build-out “a rebirth, a renaissance” of Russia's nuclear technology.

Rosatom is eyeing British and American markets, too—it owns uranium mines in Wyoming and supplies about half of the fuel used in U.S. reactors, according to the World Nuclear Association. But for now it is primarily targeting developing nations and countries that had close ties to the former Soviet Union. For some of these newcomers, Rosatom has a unique offer: it can be a one-stop nuclear shop. It will provide fuel and will permanently take back the spent fuel from its reactors—eliminating the need for some countries to build geologic waste repositories. That service, offered by no other country, “is a tremendous marketing advantage for the Russians,” says Alan Hanson, who recently joined the Massachusetts Institute of Technology after 27 years as an executive at Areva, Rosatom's French competitor.

See entire article here
http://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/asia-europe-russia-empire-nuclear-power-reactor-generator-expo-sale-kremlin


Reality is real, existence exists.

Offline chris jones

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21,814
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2013, 07:15:46 pm »
 Chernoble, had a tad of a problem.

 Russias crew of nuke corps are seeking to go on a roll......... I detest nuclear in any from.
 
 Money is the bottom line generally, but in this case it could go a hell of a lot further.

 Every time I have seen a photo of Mars surface, desolate, craters, dead...It's like a forecast of what this planet will be if we continue with Nukes.
 For muck sake, TELSA had the answer moons ago....problem, it was not a money maker for the corps or the GOV, like any genius, inventor, scientist, if they get the answer to cheap -efficient energy they are hired on (bought) paid off their patents, or wacked out.
             

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2013, 07:53:30 pm »
Chernoble, had a tad of a problem.

 Russias crew of nuke corps are seeking to go on a roll......... I detest nuclear in any from.
 
 Money is the bottom line generally, but in this case it could go a hell of a lot further.

 Every time I have seen a photo of Mars surface, desolate, craters, dead...It's like a forecast of what this planet will be if we continue with Nukes.
 For muck sake, TELSA had the answer moons ago....problem, it was not a money maker for the corps or the GOV, like any genius, inventor, scientist, if they get the answer to cheap -efficient energy they are hired on (bought) paid off their patents, or wacked out.
             
Mr. Jones you have said what I've told folks for a long time--No Nukes and TELSA Technology: as his Tech. was, for the most part, FREE!
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,433
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #109 on: October 31, 2013, 08:44:46 am »


…. from FORBES magazine:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

World's Most Powerful People 2013 - with
Vladimir Putin beating Obama to the top


List includes 17 heads of state and 28 billionaires

RUPERT CORNWELL  Author Biography  WASHINGTON  WEDNESDAY 30 OCTOBER 2013

Maybe one of geopolitics’ hoariest cliches is in need of revision. At least since the end of the Cold War, “The most powerful man in the world” has been a standard appendage for the President of the United States. Now, if Forbes is to be believed, that title belongs to the leader of America’s vanquished Cold War rival, the President of Russia.

For only the second time since the US business magazine began its practice of listing the world’s most powerful people in 2009, Barack Obama is not ranked No 1 this year. In 2010, the distinction went to Hu Jintao, the former Chinese President. Now it is the hour of Vladimir Putin, right.

… the top 20:

Quote
Top dogs: The people who really matter

1 Vladimir Putin; Russian President (3)

2 Barack Obama; US President (1)

3 Xi Jinping; General Secretary of China’s Communist Party (9)

4 Pope Francis; Supreme Pontiff (NA)

5 Angela Merkel; German Chancellor (2)

6 Bill Gates; Co-chair Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (4)

7 Ben Bernanke; US Federal Reserve Chairman (6)

8 Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud; King, Saudi Arabia (7)

9 Mario Draghi; European Central Bank President (8)

10 Michael Duke; Wal-Mart CEO (17)

11 David Cameron; British PM (10)

12 Carlos Slim; Chairman, América Móvil (11)

13 Warren Buffett; CEO, Berkshire Hathaway (15)

14 Li Keqiang; Vice Premier, China (13)

15 Jeff Bezos; Amazon CEO (27)

16 Rex Tillerson; Exxon Mobil CEO (22)

17 Sergey Brin; Co-founder, Google and Larry Page, CEO, Google (20)

18 François Hollande; President, France (14)

19 Tim Cook; Apple CEO (35)

20 Dilma Rousseff; Brazilian President (18)

READ ARTICLE ~~~>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/forbes-reveals-worlds-most-powerful-people-2013--with-vladimir-putin-beating-obama-to-the-top-8913265.html

THE ORIGINAL from FORBES ~~~>http://www.forbes.com/powerful-people/

St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

EvadingGrid

  • Guest
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #110 on: October 31, 2013, 09:58:55 am »
The West lost the Cold War . . . .

They got freedom, fair elections, capitalisim, gold in the vaults etc . . .

We got a surveillance police state, rigged elections, state ownership of biz, and the gold is gone . . .

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,433
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #111 on: November 26, 2013, 08:47:32 am »




PRO LIFE RUSSIA!

Since the rise of Putin, the number of abortions in Russia has fallen dramatically.
 
2001: 2.11 million
2003: 1.86 million
2005: 1.67 million
2007: 1.48 million
2009: 1.29 million
2011: 1.0 million

( http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-russia.html )



2012: 814,000 and falling!

( http://darussophile.com/2013/02/08/the-rapid-and-mostly-unnoticed-decline-of-abortion-in-russia/ )

NOVEMBER 25th ~~> Putin signs law banning advertisements for abortion in Russia
Here: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/25/21612179-putin-signs-law-banning-advertisements-for-abortion-in-russia?lite

PLEASE READ ARTICLE HERE~~~>http://www.tomatobubble.com/id401.html
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline TahoeBlue

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,152
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #112 on: November 26, 2013, 10:55:33 am »

Could Putin-Pope Francis visit mark beginning of end of centuries-old rift?


By Claudio Lavanga, NBC News Producer

ROME — Pope Francis and Russian President Vladimir Putin met Monday amid high expectations that their visit could mark the beginning of the end of the centuries-old rift between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.
...
Francis has ushered in a period of reform at the Vatican, but the timing is right for a thawing of relations between the Eastern and Westerns Churches for other reasons, too: full diplomatic ties between Russia and the Holy See were only re-established in 2009.

But despite numerous visits by Russian leaders to the Vatican, the head of the Rome Catholic Church has never been allowed to repay the favor and travel to Moscow.

The pope has had a standing invitation to the Kremlin since Mikhail Gorbachev formally invited Pope John Paul II in 1989, but the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church never shared the government’s enthusiasm. Afraid of Catholic evangelization in Eastern Europe, the patriarch never opened the doors of the Orthodox Church to the pope.

...

Still, could a historic papal visit to Russia also come out of the meeting?

Not unless the ultimate blessing comes from Kirill, the Patriarch of Moscow and Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Although, Tornielli, the Vatican expert, pointed out that Kirill “doesn't really need Putin to mediate. He is capable of doing that himself.”

“So I think what will happen next is that he and the pope will meet, but in neutral territory, neither in Rome or Moscow... And they'll go from there.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_I_of_Moscow
...
In the early 1990s and later on, Kirill was accused of having links to the KGB during much of the Soviet period, as were many members of the Russian Orthodox Church hierarchy, and of pursuing the state's interests before those of the Church.[32][33][34][35][36][37] His alleged KGB agent's codename was "Mikhailov".[38]
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Offline TahoeBlue

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,152
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #113 on: January 22, 2014, 11:45:14 am »
NSA Data Mining - Prism Prison - Verizon - Snowden Whistleblower

Interesting how Putin gave Snowden Asylum ,,, makes the ex-kgb man look like a real humanitarian , I wonder is Russia  doing as much sigint as the NSA ?

And the Beat goes on ...  just read the comments  ... technological leverage overcomes many obstacles  that the Stasi and Romanian Secret poice had ,  but looking at the employment levels of the MIC per Citizen  would compare to Stasi levels.

Of course this is now a Global Stasi infrastructure of the future being constructed,  soon Russia will be considered the most "free" "nation".   Putin, a National Hero

Forget Spinning, Here’s How Vladimir Putin Stays in Shape


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/us-withholding-fisa-court-orders-nsa-bulk-collection?commentpage=1

US withholding Fisa court orders on NSA bulk collection of Americans' data
Justice Department refuses to turn over 'certain other' documents in ACLU lawsuit meant to shed light on surveillance practices

Spencer Ackerman in Washington
theguardian.com, Tuesday 21 January 2014 13.16 EST


FBI director James Comey, CIA director John Brennan, director of national intelligence James Clapper and Homeland Security secretary Jeh Johnson at Obama's NSA speech. Photograph: Getty

The Justice Department is withholding documents related to the bulk collection of Americans’ data from a transparency lawsuit launched by the American Civil Liberties Union.

US attorney Preet Bharara of the southern district of New York informed the ACLU in a Friday letter that the government would not turn over “certain other” records from a secret surveillance court, which are being “withheld in full” from a Freedom of Information Act suit the civil liberties group filed to shed light on bulk surveillance activities performed under the Patriot Act.

The decision to keep some of the records secret, in the thick of Edward Snowden’s revelations, has raised suspicions within the ACLU that the government continues to hide bulk surveillance activities from the public, despite US president Barack Obama’s Friday concession that controversial National Security Agency programs have “never been subject to vigorous public debate”.
...
Alexander Abdo, an ACLU attorney, noted that the government’s bulk surveillance disclosures have yet to include, among other efforts, a reported CIA program to collect international money transfers in bulk, revealed in November by the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.

“It appears that the government is concealing the existence of other bulk collection programs under the Patriot Act, such as the CIA’s reported collection of our financial records,” Abdo said.

“In other words, on the same day that President Obama recognized the need for a vigorous debate about bulk collection, the government appears to be hiding the ball. We can't have the public debate that President Obama wants without the facts that his agencies are hiding.”

Abdo said that the scope of the ACLU’s disclosure lawsuit only concerned surveillance efforts under Section 215 of the Patriot Act and that surveillance authorizations containing individualized suspicion were already excluded.

The NSA conducts other bulk data collection under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, an update to that law in 2008, and under a three-decade-old executive order known as 12333, all of which are outside the terms of the ACLU’s lawsuit.
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #114 on: January 22, 2014, 12:45:43 pm »
When a known Commie has more clout than leaders of Freedom! Well planet earth is Fading into the abyss of total control: and it is just around the Commie Corner!
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline TahoeBlue

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,152
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #115 on: January 22, 2014, 12:52:19 pm »
When a known Commie has more clout than leaders of Freedom! Well planet earth is Fading into the abyss of total control: and it is just around the Commie Corner!

Putin is the new Reagan !!! un freaking believable

http://thinksquad.net/2010/10/25/from-russia-with-love/

From Russia With Love
Posted on October 25, 2010   by Thinksquad
...

Putin and Reagan

Back when Putin was just a KGB spy, he disguised himself as a tourist, and even got closer then John Hinckley Jr. did to the president.



Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2014, 12:57:07 pm »
Putin is the new Reagan !!! un freaking believable

http://thinksquad.net/2010/10/25/from-russia-with-love/

From Russia With Love
Posted on October 25, 2010   by Thinksquad
...

Putin and Reagan

Back when Putin was just a KGB spy, he disguised himself as a tourist, and even got closer then John Hinckley Jr. did to the president.
Great Photo Find TahoeBlue: as you have shown proof of the deep infiltration from these Commie Cockroaches!
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline WarChest

  • Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 464
  • I lift their veil of ignorance and see the truth
    • http://www.myspace.com/warchest_nc
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2014, 02:32:34 pm »
I heard something today.

Vladimir Putin says that dealing with Barack Obama is like playing chess with a pidgin. It walks around knocking over pieces, It $hits all over the board and still thinks that it won.

If a man were to know at the end of this days business there would come. But, it suffices to know that that the day will end and the end  be known.
If we meet again well then we’ll smile and if not, well then this parting was well made.
Col. Jason Rhodes USMC

Offline iamc2

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,933
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2014, 02:47:26 pm »
I heard something today.

Vladimir Putin says that dealing with Barack Obama is like playing chess with a pidgin. It walks around knocking over pieces, It $hits all over the board and still thinks that it won.


O'bumbles only plays Chess in the Bath Tub with himself  :P: and he still is Check Mated!...drop the Queen down the drain... ???
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline OpenSight

  • Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 280
Re: Vladimir Putin
« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2014, 03:06:56 pm »
What is the deal with the little hand shaking kid?  It looks like the same kid in the same pose in both photos.  Wieeerrrrd. :o



Putin is the new Reagan !!! un freaking believable

http://thinksquad.net/2010/10/25/from-russia-with-love/

From Russia With Love
Posted on October 25, 2010   by Thinksquad
...

Putin and Reagan

Back when Putin was just a KGB spy, he disguised himself as a tourist, and even got closer then John Hinckley Jr. did to the president.




Reality is real, existence exists.