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'Emphasising that "the Jewish people have the right to a state,” he dismissed the notion that Palestinian aspirations for a state of their own might be legitimate.

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state,” he said. “We've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places”.

The remarks drew surprise among experts and commentators on the middle east. David Harris, the head of the National Jewish Democratic Council, said Mr Gingrich's position was “far to the right” of Mr Netanyahu's own Likud party. Hussein Ibish, a Senior Fellow for the American Task Force on Palestine, said: “There was no Israel and no such thing as an 'Israeli people' before 1948”.'

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 01:01:16 pm »
The people called "Palestinians" are in fact Transjordanians and Egyptians. Transjordan and Egypt both turned their backs on them to use them as pawns against Israel. So in that regard he is correct.
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 10:21:51 pm »
All people are invented.

We invented Christianity, we invented Jews, we invented Russians, Americans etc.... etc....

All our differences are figments of our imagination anyway, our perceived rights and differences are products of our self destructive ego's as a species.

The downfall of humanity will be our Ego.
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Re: Newt Gingrich Says Palestinians are 'Invented' People.
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 10:38:05 pm »
Palestine has been around since at least 500 BC.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzJgjf7dSEg

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 10:39:42 pm »
The people called "Palestinians" are in fact Transjordanians and Egyptians. Transjordan and Egypt both turned their backs on them to use them as pawns against Israel. So in that regard he is correct.

Wrong, Palestine was separate recognized state under the Ottoman empire. after WWI the territory fell under colonial British rule (quite purposefully economically depressed I may add). It was increasingly open to influx of Jewish immigrants by British. There are population census records dating back to 1905 showing Jewish minority of <5% in the state.

Palestinians are a tribe of people that lived in the area. There is records of them are in Ottoman archives, and during the crusades, even in the roman archives. In fact there is records of Palestinians dating back to the late bronze age. They were allies and mercenaries working for Egyptian pharaoh Ahmose I 1514 B.C. and queen Hatsheput 1479. B.C. While there is no records of Israeli existence in the are for ~ 2,000 years starting around 0 A.D.

There are even records of countless wars and conflicts between Palestinians and Israelites in torah and old testament.

To say Palestinians are invented it is like saying Egyptians are make-belief, they don't really exist, it is a lie, it is ignorant.

Infact if there is anything  "Invented" state of Israel will qualify for that bar none.        
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2011, 03:59:57 am »
Wrong, Palestine was separate recognized state under the Ottoman empire. after WWI the territory fell under colonial British rule (quite purposefully economically depressed I may add). It was increasingly open to influx of Jewish immigrants by British. There are population census records dating back to 1905 showing Jewish minority of <5% in the state.

Palestinians are a tribe of people that lived in the area. There is records of them are in Ottoman archives, and during the crusades, even in the roman archives. In fact there is records of Palestinians dating back to the late bronze age. They were allies and mercenaries working for Egyptian pharaoh Ahmose I 1514 B.C. and queen Hatsheput 1479. B.C. While there is no records of Israeli existence in the are for ~ 2,000 years starting around 0 A.D.

There are even records of countless wars and conflicts between Palestinians and Israelites in torah and old testament.

To say Palestinians are invented it is like saying Egyptians are make-belief, they don't really exist, it is a lie, it is ignorant.

Infact if there is anything  "Invented" state of Israel will qualify for that bar none.        

Uhm nope, not wrong at all. The lands that the so called "palastinians" claim were part of Egypt and Transjordan. No amount of retcon can change that fact. Thats like claiming the King of Jordan can trace his kingship back thousands of years.  :D or how about Iraq or Iran, Saudi Arabia? none of those places existed either until after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

Now the Ottomans sold huge swaths of land to Jews who bought up most of the State of Israel of today from the owners, the Ottoman Turks. And the land was mostly a wasteland. No one lived there, no one had any claims to the land. Thats a fact started in the late 1800's and ended with Israels rebirth in accordance with prophecy.

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 09:56:30 am »
Uhm nope, not wrong at all. The lands that the so called "palastinians" claim were part of Egypt and Transjordan. No amount of retcon can change that fact. Thats like claiming the King of Jordan can trace his kingship back thousands of years.  :D or how about Iraq or Iran, Saudi Arabia? none of those places existed either until after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

Now the Ottomans sold huge swaths of land to Jews who bought up most of the State of Israel of today from the owners, the Ottoman Turks. And the land was mostly a wasteland. No one lived there, no one had any claims to the land. Thats a fact started in the late 1800's and ended with Israels rebirth in accordance with prophecy.

You have to go beyond your public school education to start to paint the picture.

First of all, Palestinians are a tribe of so are, the Israelites. You go up  to a Palestinian and ask are you Egypto-Transjordanian, he will look at you as you are missing you a screw as he should. Samulel 17:3 (NIV) "The Philistines occupied one hill and the Israelites another, with the valley between them." does not say "Egypto-Transjordanians occupied the hill".

Second, King of Jordan does not go back centuries, it is an invented kingdom installed by the Brits. Sayyid Hussein bin Ali (grandfather to the king of Jordan), an Istanbul born Turk, proclaimed himself King of Hecaz after he led a revolt against the Ottomans, spearheaded by Brits see; Lawrence of Arabia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_bin_Ali,_Sharif_of_Mecca).

Third fallacy: Palestine (aka Philistine) has been a major trading route (see crusades 1095-1272 ad), agricultural area (see Babylonian empire) and religious site (see; Mescid-i Aksa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque), and Harram el Sharif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock)).

If you think that crusades for 3 centuries were done to take control of "wastelands" you are grossly miss informed and sadly mistaken. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades.


    
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2011, 10:34:19 am »
uhm, before Israel conquered the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, those 2 pieces of land belonged to TransJordan and Egypt.

Maybe you should read any history book. Israel tried everything they could to give those pieces of land back. They didn't want the head ache that they knew was coming. BUT TransJordan and Egypt refused to take the land back, and refused the let the people repatriate into their home lands.

please stop trying to ret con history.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 10:38:19 am »
As we read the headlines everyday, and observe the conflicts that take place in Israel, we hear terms such as “Israeli Occupation”, “Palestinian statehood”, and “Palestinian homeland”.  Many world leaders feel that the only resolution to the fighting in Israel and the Palestinian terrorist attacks, is to establish an independent Palestinian state (nation).  In order to develop a better understanding of these terms, it’s important to know some of the history of the area.  I want to share with you a brief overview of the area’s recent history.  



1917-1922:  From 1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman Empire controlled what is today Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine.  During World War I (1914-1918), Turkey supported Germany. When Germany was defeated, so were the Turks. In 1916 control of the southern portion of their Ottoman Empire was "mandated" to France and Britain under the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France...  and "Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") was assigned to Great Britain.  It is important to mention that “Palestine” is a name that was coined by the Europeans.  It did not exist before this point.  Because no other group of people had ever established a national homeland here since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout all of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare the rebirth of Israel.  This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas, who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions



1923-1947:  In 1923, the British divided Palestine into two administrative districts.  Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan River.  The British had allocated 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to lay the seeds of what would become in 1946 the Arab Palestinian Nation of "Trans-Jordan," meaning: "across the Jordan River." The Palestinian Arabs now had their "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland.  However, the Arab population was determined to claim all of Palestine for itself, and wanted to “drive the Jews into the sea.”  

    Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched incessant terrorist attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out.  The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became obvious to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.




1947-1948:  The Palestinian Jews, forced to form an organized defense against the Arabs, formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground called the Irgun, led by Menachem Begin (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides fighting the Arabs, the Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab British.  Finally, in 1947 the British turned the Palestine matter over to the United Nations.
   The U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a second Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentration.  The Jewish Palestinians accepted the proposal, but the Arab Palestinians rejected it. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine - both east and west of the Jordan River.  On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, Israel was at war with seven neighboring Arab armies:  Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. When the 19-month war ended, however, Israel won and survived, despite a 1% loss of it's entire population.  Those Arabs who did not run away became today's Israeli Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."




1949-1967:  The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish state slightly larger than that which was proposed by the United Nations two years before. What remained of that almost-created second Arab Palestinian State was occupied by Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted Jordanian citizenship to all those Arabs who lived there.  Since Trans-Jordan was no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "JORDAN.  In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine. But that was still not 100% and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist attacks upon the Israeli citizens.  It continues to this very day.
    From 1948-67 when all of Judea-Samaria (the West Bank, including Jerusalem) came under Arab [Jordanian] control, no effort was made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there.  It seems ironic that Yassir Arafat and his Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), discovered their "ancient" identity and a need for "self-determination" on this very same West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later in 1967) following Jordan's attempt to destroy Israel.  Why was no request ever made upon King Hussein of Jordan when he "occupied" the West Bank?  The PLO later went on to become the Palestinian Authority of today.  



The 1967 War (Six-Day War):  Throughout much of May 1967, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian armies mobilized along Israel's narrow and seemingly indefensible borders in preparation for a massive invasion to eliminate the State of Israel. But the Israel planned and executed a perfect pre-emptive strike against Egypt. Within two hours, the Egyptian Air Force did not exist.  Most of its planes were destroyed while still on the runways!  Unaware that the Egyptians had no more air force, King Hussein of Jordan, launched his attack from the West Bank into Israel's belly while Syrian troops prepared to descend down the Golan Heights mountain range into northern Israel.



After ONLY six days grueling warfare, Israel defeated all three Arab armies along three separate fronts, taking control of the entire Sinai Desert from Egypt, the Golan Heights from Syria and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem and its Old City) from Jordan.  Most importantly was the return to Israel of its holy 3,000-year-old city of Jerusalem along the western edge of the West Bank.
    Unfortunately, Israel then became an "occupier" of this "West Bank" and the Gaza Strip along with its 850,000 Palestinian Arabs who were living there. These Arabs would refer to themselves as "refugees" and joined the masses of refugees from the previous war of 1948-49.
   The Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were packed and ready to leave following their defeat.  Suddenly the victorious IDF General Moshe Dayan persuaded them to stay. Dayan's plan was to educate them, offer them modern medical treatment, provide them with employment both in the West Bank AND inside Israel Proper, and to live amongst them in hopes of building a bridge to the Arab world.

1982:  Israel wanted to gain some international respect, and therefore returned the entire Sinai (oil fields, air bases and endless miles of security buffer) to Egypt.  
    Israel still occupies Syria's Golan Heights, which had been used solely for terrorist incursions into and artillery bombardment upon Israel's northern settlements.  And of course, Israel still occupies the West Bank with its population of 1,200,000 "Palestinian" Arabs.  



PRESENT DAY:  When you hear news reports that talk about “Israeli occupation of the Palestinian homeland”, I hope you’ll be able to put that spin in the context of that area’s history.  In my mind, the only reason Israel still exists, is because of the special covenant God made with her.  Be watchful.  It seems that prophecy is being fulfilled rapidly in that area.  Yet at the same time, remember that none of us knows the day or hour of our Lord’s return.  When we are caught up to be with Him, it will be a day beyond our wildest imaginations.  We may have to go through some trials and tribulations before that occurs, but it will be temporary.  Therefore, when you realize that time may be running down, think of those of your friend who still do not know Jesus as there personal savior.  Use the time you have left to spread His word, and let people know the reason for the hope you have within

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 12:00:01 pm »
uhm, before Israel conquered the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, those 2 pieces of land belonged to TransJordan and Egypt.

Maybe you should read any history book. Israel tried everything they could to give those pieces of land back. They didn't want the head ache that they knew was coming. BUT TransJordan and Egypt refused to take the land back, and refused the let the people repatriate into their home lands.

please stop trying to ret con history.

Let me get this straight, you are saying that:

         History starts in 1917 (according to you copy paste job).
 
         Old testament is a lie since: “Palestine is a name that was coined by the Europeans", David and Saul were delusional they were fighting imaginary tribes of people their since Palestine is a term "coined" by Europeans, they could not have existed prior to 1917.

         Maybe the the Bible is a lie since "Philisti" Palestine in English, is used in the Bible more than 250 times.

         Egyptian's must be lying as well since the term Peleset (aka. philistin) (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land maybe Ramses III was delusional since he described being invaded by these people during the Twelve dynasty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_III).

         Perhaps The pope and the crusaders were delusional and suicidal according to you; since the land was overrun by "swamps and malaria" before the Jews started to show up in order to clean it (God bless,...how holly of them), maybe they put the native swamp people to the concentration camps such as Gaza to ensure it stayed that way.

         Listen, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Facts are facts, and it is not what is taught in public schools, or what you selectively decide to apply.
 
The fact is There is a Palestine, there are Palestinians, Gingrich is dishonest. Their treatment today is unacceptable by any Human standard. Mutual respect and and compassion is a must for lasting peace, and viability of Israel, because this cannot go on in its current path.
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 12:16:16 pm »
Herodotus referred to it as Palestine in the 5th Century, Aristotle also called it Palestine. It comes from when the Romans called it "Syria Palaestina" in around 135 AD.


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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2011, 12:24:06 pm »
did i say that? No i didn't, please do not put words in my mouth. The people of today, claiming to be Palestinians are not natural Palestinians. In Fact the word  Palestine is a Roman word for Philistine that the Romans used to degrade the Israelis after 70ad.

The people living there today are from families that came from Egypt and Trans-Jordan. If you want to get real historical the 2 locations are the exact same spots that the Hebrews failed to bring under control durin the times of the Judges. But none of them living today are philistine what so ever.

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
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A family arrived and said that they had papers
to prove that his house was theirs.

No, no, said the man, my people have always lived here.
My father, grandfather... and look in the garden,
my great grandfather planted that.

No, no, said the family, look at the documents.

There was a stack of them.

Where do I start?, said the man.

No need to read from the beginning, they said, turn to the page marked "Promised Land".

Are they legal?, he said. Who wrote them?

God, they said. God wrote them, look, here come His tanks.

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Gingrich's statement that Palestinians are an "invented" people is an obviously transparent ploy to suggest (without the cojones to actually come out and say the words) that the Palestinians have no right to their homeland.  And those who make seemingly innocuous comments validating Gingrich's statements: reveal Zionist beliefs - arguing the semantics of British-defined states and British-defined 'groups' of indigenous people -- they seek to steer you away from the real issue here: the NWO agenda to continue the genocide of Palestinians.  

Newt Gingrich is telling his puppet masters that he's 'on board' for the big culling.

Norman Finkelstein, scholar and author, and son of holocaust survivors, writes of the history and politics of the "Israel-Palestine Conflict", including thorough and detailed references (at the source link) for his statements.

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An Introduction to the Israel-Palestine Conflict
http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=4&ar=10
(Updated: September  2002)

Background

To resolve what was called the "Jewish question" - i.e., the reciprocal challenges of Gentile repulsion or anti-Semitism and Gentile attraction or assimilation - the Zionist movement sought in the late nineteenth century to create an overwhelmingly, if not homogeneously, Jewish state in Palestine. (1) Once the Zionist movement gained a foothold in Palestine through Great Britain's issuance of the Balfour Declaration, (2) the main obstacle to realizing its goal was the indigenous Arab population. For, on the eve of Zionist colonization, Palestine was overwhelmingly not Jewish but Muslim and Christian Arab. (3)

Across the mainstream Zionist spectrum, it was understood from the outset that Palestine's indigenous Arab population would not acquiesce in its dispossession.  "Contrary to the claim that is often made, Zionism was not blind to the presence of Arabs in Palestine," Zeev Sternhell observes.  "If Zionist intellectuals and leaders ignored the Arab dilemma, it was chiefly because they knew that this problem had no solution within the Zionist way of thinking…. n general both sides understood each other well and knew that the implementation of Zionism could be only at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs." Moshe Shertok (later Sharett) contemptuously dismissed the "illusive hopes" of those who spoke about a "'mutual misunderstanding' between us and the Arabs, about 'common interests' [and] about 'the possibility of unity and peace between the two fraternal peoples.'"  "There is no example in history," David Ben-Gurion declared, succinctly framing the core problem, "that a nation opens the gates of its country, not because of necessity…but because the nation which wants to come in has explained its desire to it." (4)


"The tragedy of Zionism," Walter Laqueur wrote in his standard history, "was that it appeared on the international scene when there were no longer empty spaces on the world map." This is not quite right. Rather it was no longer politically tenable to create such spaces: extermination had ceased to be an option of conquest. (5)  Basically the Zionist movement could only choose between two strategic options to achieve its goal: what Benny Morris has labeled "the way of South Africa" - "the establishment of an apartheid state, with a settler minority lording it over a large, exploited native majority" - or the "the way of transfer" - "you could create a homogenous Jewish state or at least a state with an overwhelming Jewish majority by moving or transferring all or most of the Arabs out." (6)

Round One - "The way of transfer"

In the first round of conquest, the Zionist movement set its sights on "the way of transfer."  For all the public rhetoric about wanting to "live with the Arabs in conditions of unity and mutual honor and together with them to turn the common homeland into a flourishing land" (Twelfth Zionist Congress, 1921), the Zionists from early on were in fact bent on expelling them.  "The idea of transfer had accompanied the Zionist movement from its very beginnings," Tom Segev reports.  "'Disappearing' the Arabs lay at the heart of the Zionist dream, and was also a necessary condition of its existence…. With few exceptions, none of the Zionists disputed the desirability of forced transfer - or its morality." The key was to get the timing right.  Ben-Gurion, reflecting on the expulsion option in the late 1930s, wrote: "What is inconceivable in normal times is possible in revolutionary times; and if at this time the opportunity is missed and what is possible in such great hours is not carried out - a whole world is lost." (7)  

The goal of "disappearing" the indigenous Arab population points to
a virtual truism buried beneath a mountain of apologetic Zionist literature:
what spurred Palestinians' opposition to Zionism was not anti-Semitism
in the sense of an irrational hatred of Jews but rather the prospect - very real - of their expulsion.
 

"The fear of territorial displacement and dispossession," Morris reasonably concludes, "was to be the chief motor of Arab antagonism to Zionism."  Likewise, in his magisterial study of Palestinian nationalism, Yehoshua Porath suggests that the "major factor nourishing" Arab anti-Semitism "was not hatred for the Jews as such but opposition to Jewish settlement in Palestine."  He goes on to argue that, although Arabs initially differentiated between Jews and Zionists, it was "inevitable" that opposition to Zionist settlement would turn into a loathing of all Jews:  "As immigration increased, so did the Jewish community's identification with the Zionist movement…. The non-Zionist and anti-Zionist factors became an insignificant minority, and a large measure of sophistication was required to make the older distinction.  It was unreasonable to hope that the wider Arab population, and the riotous mob which was part of it, would maintain this distinction." (8)

From its incipient stirrings in the late nineteenth century through the watershed revolt in the 1930s, Palestinian resistance consistently focused on the twin juggernauts of Zionist conquest: Jewish settlers and Jewish settlements. (9)  Apologetic Zionist writers like Anita Shapira juxtapose benign Jewish settlement against recourse to force. (10)  In fact, settlement was force.  "From the outset, Zionism sought to employ force in order to realize national aspirations," Yosef Gorny observes. "This force consisted primarily of the collective ability to rebuild a national home in Palestine."  Through settlement the Zionist movement aimed - in Ben-Gurion's words - "to establish a great Jewish fact in this country" that was irreversible. (emphasis in original) (11)  Moreover, settlement and armed force were in reality seamlessly interwoven as Zionist settlers sought "the ideal and perfect fusion between the plow and rifle."  Moshe Dayan later memorialized that "We are a generation of settlers, and without the combat helmet and the barrel of a gun, we will not be able to plant a tree or build a house." (12) The Zionist movement inferred behind Palestinian resistance to Jewish settlement a generic (and genetic) anti-Semitism - Jewish settlers "being murdered," as Ben-Gurion put it, "simply because they were Jews" - in order to conceal from the outside world and itself the rational and legitimate grievances of the indigenous population. (13)  In the ensuing bloodshed the kith and kin of Zionist martyrs would, like relatives of Palestinian martyrs today, wax proud at these national sacrifices.  "I am gratified," the father of a Jewish casualty eulogized, "that I was a living witness to such a historical event." (14)

It bears critical notice for what comes later that, from the interwar through early postwar years, Western public opinion was not altogether averse to population transfer as an expedient (albeit extreme) for resolving ethnic conflicts.  French socialists and Europe's Jewish press supported in the mid-1930s the transfer of Jews to Madagascar to solve Poland's "Jewish problem." (15) The main forced transfer before World War II was effected between Turkey and Greece. Sanctioned by the Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and approved and supervised by the League of Nations, this brutal displacement of more than 1.5 million people eventually came to be seen by much of official Europe as an auspicious precedent.  The British cited it in the late 1930s as a model for resolving the conflict in Palestine.  The right-wing Zionist leader, Vladimir Jabotinsky, taking heart from Nazi demographic experiments in conquered territories (about 1.5 million Poles and Jews were expelled and hundreds of thousands of Germans resettled in their place), exclaimed: "The world has become accustomed to the idea of mass migrations and has almost become fond of them.  Hitler - as odious as he is to us - has given this idea a good name in the world."  During the war the Soviet Union also carried out bloody deportations of recalcitrant minorities such as the Volga Germans, Chechen-Ingush and Tatars.  Labor Zionists pointed to the "positive experience" of the Greek-Turkish and Soviet expulsions in support of the transfer idea. Recalling the "success" (Churchill) of the Greek-Turkish compulsory transfer, the Allies at the Potsdam Conference (1945) authorized the expulsion of some 13 million Germans from Central and Eastern Europe (around 2 million perished in the course of this horrendous uprooting).  Even the left-wing British Labor Party advocated in its 1944 platform that the "Arabs be encouraged to move out" of Palestine, as did the humanist philosopher Bertrand Russell, to make way for Zionist settlement. (16)  

In fact many in the enlightened West came to view displacement of the indigenous population of Palestine as an inexorable concomitant of civilization's advance.  The identification of Americans with Zionism came easily since the "social order of the Yishuv [Jewish community in Palestine] was built on the ethos of a frontier society, in which a pioneering-settlement model set the tone."  To account for the "almost complete disregard of the Arab case" by Americans, a prominent British Labor MP, Richard Crossman, explained in the mid-1940s: "Zionism after all is merely the attempt by the European Jew to build his national life on the soil of Palestine in much the same way as the American settler developed the West.  So the American will give the Jewish settler in Palestine the benefit of the doubt, and regard the Arab as the aboriginal who must go down before the march of progress."  Contrasting the "slovenly" Arabs with enterprising Jewish settlers who had "set going revolutionary forces in the Middle East," Crossman himself professed in the name of "social progress" support for Zionism.  The left-liberal U.S. presidential candidate in 1948, Henry Wallace, compared the Zionist struggle in Palestine with "the fight the American colonies carried on in 1776.  Just as the British stirred up the Iroquois to fight the colonists, so today they are stirring up the Arabs." (17)  

Come 1948, the Zionist movement exploited the "revolutionary times" of the first Arab-Israeli war - much like the Serbs did in Kosovo during the NATO attack - to expel more than 80 percent of the indigenous population (750,000 Palestinians), and thereby achieve its goal of an overwhelmingly Jewish state, if not yet in the whole of Palestine. (18)  Berl Katznelson, known as the "conscience" of the Labor Zionist movement, had maintained that "there has never been a colonizing enterprise as typified by justice and honesty toward others as our work here in Eretz Israel."  In his multivolume paean to the American settlers' dispossession of the native population, The Winning of the West, Theodore Roosevelt likewise concluded that "no other conquering nation has ever treated savage owners of the soil with such generosity as has the United States."  The recipients of this benefaction would presumably have a different story to tell. (19)

Round Two: "The way of South Africa"

The main Arab (and British) fear before and after the 1948 war was that the Zionist movement would use as a springboard for further expansion the Jewish state carved out of Palestine. (20)  In fact, Zionists pursued from early on a "stages" strategy of conquering Palestine by parts - a strategy it would later vilify the Palestinians for.  "The Zionist vision could not be fulfilled in one fell swoop," Ben-Gurion's official biographer reports, "especially the transformation of Palestine into a Jewish state. The stage-by-stage approach, dictated by less than favorable circumstances, required the formulation of objectives that appeared to be `concessions.'"  It acquiesced in British and United Nations proposals for the partition of Palestine but only "as a stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation" (Ben-Gurion). (21)  Chief among the Zionist leadership's regrets in the aftermath of the 1948 war was its failure to conquer the whole of Palestine.  Come 1967, Israel exploited the "revolutionary times" of the June war to finish the job. (22)  Sir Martin Gilbert, in his glowing history of Israel, maintained that Zionist leaders from the outset conceived the conquered territories as an undesired "burden that was to weigh heavily on Israel."  In a highly acclaimed new study, Six Days of War, Michael Oren suggests that Israel's occupation of the Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank and Gaza "came about largely through chance," "the vagaries and momentum of war." In light of the Zionist movement's long-standing territorial imperatives, Sternhell more soberly observes: "The role of occupier, which Israel began to play only a few months after the lightning victory of June 1967, was not the result of some miscalculation on the part of the rulers of that period or the outcome of a combination of circumstances, but another step in the realization of Zionism's major ambitions." (23)

Israel confronted the same dilemma after occupying the West Bank and Gaza as at the dawn of the Zionist movement: it wanted the land but not the people.  Expulsion, however, was no longer a viable option.  In the aftermath of the brutal Nazi experiments with and plans for demographic engineering, international public opinion had ceased granting any legitimacy to forced population transfers. The landmark Fourth Geneva Convention, ratified in 1949, for the first time "unequivocally prohibited deportation" of civilians under occupation (Articles 49, 147). (25)  Accordingly Israel moved after the June war to impose the second of its two options mentioned above - apartheid.  This proved to be the chief stumbling block to a diplomatic settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

The "Peace Process"

Right after the June war the United Nations deliberated on the modalities for achieving a just and lasting peace.  The broad consensus of the General Assembly as well as the Security Council called for Israel's withdrawal from the Arab territories it occupied during the June war.  Security Council Resolution 242 stipulated this basic principle of international law in its preambular paragraph "emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." (emphasis in original) (26)  At the same time, Resolution 242 called on Arab states to recognize Israel's right "to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats and acts of force."  To accommodate Palestinian national aspirations, the international consensus eventually provided for the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza once Israel withdrew to its pre-June borders. (Resolution 242 had only referred obliquely to the Palestinians in its call for "achieving a just resolution of the refugee problem.")  

Although Defense Minister Moshe Dayan privately acknowledged that Resolution 242 required full withdrawal, Israel officially maintained that it allowed for "territorial revision." (27) Israel's refusal in February 1971 to fully withdraw from the Sinai in exchange for Egypt's offer of a peace treaty led directly to the October 1973 war. (28)  The basic parameters of Israeli policy regarding Palestinian territory were set out in the late 1960s in the proposal of Yigal Allon, a senior Labor Party official and Cabinet member. The "Allon Plan" called for Israel's annexation of up to half the West Bank, while Palestinians would be confined to the other half in two unconnected cantons to the north and south.  Sasson Sofer notes generally the "fertile dualism" of Israeli diplomacy - one might rather say "fertile cynicism" - of "pointing to the uniqueness of the Jewish question in order to obtain legitimacy, and then stressing the normality of Israel's sovereign existence as a state which should be accorded all the international rights and privileges of a national entity."  In the case at hand Israel demanded, like all sovereign states, full recognition yet also claimed a right, in the name of unique Jewish suffering and despite international law, to territorial conquest.  As shown elsewhere, invocation of the Nazi holocaust played a crucial role in this diplomatic game. (29)  

The United States initially supported the consensus interpretation of Resolution 242, making allowance for only "minor" and "mutual" adjustments on the irregular border between Israel and the Jordanian-controlled West Bank. (30)  In heated private exchanges with Israel during the UN-sponsored mediation efforts of Gunnar Jarring in 1968, (31) American officials stood firm that "the words `recognized and secure' meant `security arrangements' and `recognition' of new lines as international boundaries," and "never meant that Israel could extend its territory to [the] West Bank or Suez if this was what it felt its security required"; and that "there will never be peace if Israel tries to hold onto large chunks of territory."  Referring to it explicitly by name, the US deplored even the minimalist version of the Allon Plan as "a non-starter" and "unacceptable in principle." (32)  

In a crucial shift beginning under the Nixon-Kissinger administration, however, American policy was realigned with Israel's. (33)  Except for Israel and the United States (and occasionally a US client state), the international community has consistently supported, for the past quarter-century, the "two-state" settlement: that is, the full Israeli withdrawal/full Arab recognition formula as well as the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.  The United States cast the lone veto of Security Council resolutions in January 1976 and April 1980 affirming the two-state settlement that were endorsed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and neighboring Arab states.  A December 1989 General Assembly resolution along similar lines passed 151-3 (no abstentions), the three negative votes cast by Israel, the United States, and Dominica. (34)  Given this record of contempt for world opinion, it's unsurprising that Israel set as a crucial precondition for negotiations that Palestinians "must drop their traditional demand" for "international arbitration" or a "Security Council mechanism." (35)  The main obstacle to Israel's annexation of occupied Palestinian territory was the PLO.  Having endorsed the two-state settlement in the mid-1970s, it could no longer be dismissed as simply a terrorist organization bent on Israel's destruction.  Indeed, pressures mounted on Israel to reach an agreement with the PLO's "compromising approach."  Consequently in June 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon, where Palestinian leaders were headquartered, to head off what Israeli strategic analyst Avner Yaniv dubbed the PLO's "peace offensive." (36)

Frustrated at the diplomatic impasse caused by US-Israeli obstructionism, West Bank and Gaza Palestinians rose up in December 1987 against the occupation in a basically non-violent civil revolt, the intifada.  Israel's brutal repression (compounded by the inept and corrupt leadership of the PLO) eventually resulted in the uprising's defeat. (37)  With the implosion of the Soviet Union, the destruction of Iraq, and the suspension of funding from the Gulf states, Palestinians suffered yet a further decline in their fortunes.  The US and Israel seized on this opportune moment to recruit the already venal and now desperate Palestinian leadership - "on the verge of bankruptcy" and "in [a] weakened condition" (Uri Savir, Israel's chief negotiator at Oslo) - as surrogates of Israeli power.  This was the real meaning of the Oslo Accord signed in September 1993: to create a Palestinian Bantustan by dangling before Arafat and the PLO the perquisites of power and privilege, much like how the British controlled Palestine during the Mandate years through the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, and the Supreme Muslim Council. (38) "The occupation continued" after Oslo, a seasoned Israeli observer, Meron Benvenisti, wrote, "albeit by remote control, and with the consent of the Palestinian people, represented by their `sole representative,' the PLO."  And again: "It goes without saying that `cooperation' based on the current power relationship is no more than permanent Israeli domination in disguise, and that Palestinian self-rule is merely a euphemism for Bantustanization." The "test" for Arafat and the PLO, according to Savir, was whether they would "us[e] their new power base to dismantle Hamas and other violent opposition groups" contesting Israeli apartheid. (39)

Israel's settlement policy in the Occupied Territories the past decade points up the real content of the "peace process" set in motion at Oslo.  The details are spelled out in an exhaustive study by B'Tselem (Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) entitled Land Grab. (40)  Due primarily to massive Israeli government subsidies, the Jewish settler population increased from 250,000 to 380,000 during the Oslo years, with settler activity proceeding at a brisker pace under the tenure of Labor's Ehud Barak than Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu. Illegal under international law and built on land illegally seized from Palestinians, these settlements now incorporate nearly half the land surface of the West Bank.  For all practical purposes they have been annexed to Israel (Israeli law extends not only to Israeli but also non-Israeli Jews residing in the settlements) and are off-limits to Palestinians without special authorization.  Fragmenting the West Bank into disconnected and unviable enclaves, they have impeded meaningful Palestinian development.  In parts of the West Bank and East Jerusalem the only available land for building lies in areas under Israeli jurisdiction, while the water consumption of the 5,000 Jewish settlers in the Jordan Valley is equivalent to 75% of the water consumption of the entire two million Palestinians inhabitants of the West Bank.  Not even one Jewish settlement was dismantled during the Oslo years, while the number of new housing units in the settlements increased by more than 50 percent (excluding East Jerusalem); again, the biggest spurt of new housing starts occurred not under Netanyahu's tenure but rather under Barak's, in the year 2000 - exactly when Barak claims to have "left no stone unturned" in his quest for peace.  

"Israel has created in the Occupied Territories a regime of separation based on discrimination, applying two different systems of law in the same area and basing the rights of individuals on their nationality," the B'Tselem study concludes.  "This regime is the only one of its kind in the world, and is reminiscent of distasteful regimes from the past, such as the Apartheid regime in South Africa."

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2011, 02:11:35 pm »
Gingrich remarks 'demeaning and ridiculous'
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BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- A top US presidential hopeful's denial of the Palestinian people's existence reflects a dark and racist worldview, Palestinian officials said Saturday.

The prime minister in Ramallah urged Newt Gingrich to apologize to the Palestinian people, after Gingrich called them "an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs."

“These are extremely trivial, demeaning and ridiculous remarks,” Salam Fayyad told reporters. “Even the most extremist settlers of Israel wouldn’t talk in such a ridiculous way.”

Racist banter is unbecoming of a candidate seeking the office of the presidency, especially of the most powerful country whose leaders boast of their respect for democracy and human rights, he said.

Such remarks would be better suited for a politician adhering to "a Nazi ideology, a source of suffering for humanity, and the Jews topped the list of victims” of that ideology, he said.

Gingrich along with other Republican candidates are seeking to attract Jewish support by vowing to bolster US ties with Israel if elected.

The former speaker of the US House of Representatives had predictably sided with Israel in its decades-old dispute with the Palestinians but took it a step further in his interview with the Jewish Channel.

The cable station posted online its interview with Gingrich, who has risen to the top of Republican polls with voting to start early next year to pick a nominee to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.

He differed with official US policy that respects the Palestinians as a people deserving of their own state based on negotiations with Israel.

"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century, Gingrich said.

"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs, and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he added.

Fayyad urged the Republican candidate to open a history book.

“He and his ilk should relearn their history, as seemingly the only thing he knows about is the Ottoman era. The way he distorts historic facts is unacceptable,” he said.

“Our people have been here from the beginning, and they are determined to remain on their land until the end,” Fayyad continued.

Most historians mark the start of Palestinian Arab nationalist sentiment in 1834, when Arab residents of the Palestinian region revolted against Ottoman rule.

Israel, founded amid the 1948 Arab-Israel war, took shape along the lines of a 1947 UN plan for ethnic partition of the then-British ruled territory of Palestine which Arabs rejected.

PLO official Hanan Ashrawi said Gingrich seemed to have lost touch with reality.

“His remarks reflect racism, and ignorance, and it is a cheap attempt to appeal to Jewish voters at the expense of the Palestinian people’s rights, and at the expense of peace in the region,” she said.

Other Palestinian officials were equally incensed.

Tayseer Khalid, a senior leader of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, called on both parties in the United States to avoid taking sides in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

They should not take an extremely defensive position in support of “the colonialist, aggressive policy of the State of Israel” in order to win votes, he added.

In his interview, Gingrich also broke with US policy supporting the Palestinian Authority.

He said the Hamas movement, which rules the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, represent "an enormous desire to destroy Israel."

The US government has sought to encourage the Palestinian Authority to negotiate with Israel but has labeled Hamas as a terrorist group.
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2011, 05:59:32 pm »
did i say that? No i didn't, please do not put words in my mouth. The people of today, claiming to be Palestinians are not natural Palestinians. In Fact the word  Palestine is a Roman word for Philistine that the Romans used to degrade the Israelis after 70ad.

The people living there today are from families that came from Egypt and Trans-Jordan. If you want to get real historical the 2 locations are the exact same spots that the Hebrews failed to bring under control durin the times of the Judges. But none of them living today are philistine what so ever.

Are you reading what you are posting? I guess not since it is obvious you don't have a clue what your post say.
"It is important to mention that “Palestine” is a name that was coined by the Europeans.  It did not exist before this point." is a quote straight from your posting, so are the others.
Read and research and educate before you post because you are clueless to what you are saying.

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2011, 07:44:05 pm »

Gingrich's statement that Palestinians are an "invented" people is an
obviously transparent ploy to suggest (without the cojones to actually come out and say the words)
that the Palestinians have no right to their homeland.
 

And those who make seemingly innocuous comments validating Gingrich's statements:
reveal Zionist beliefs - arguing the semantics of British-defined states and British-defined 'groups' of indigenous people --
they seek to steer you away from the real issue here:


the NWO agenda to continue the genocide of Palestinians.  

Newt Gingrich is telling his puppet masters that he's 'on board' for the big culling.



The debate-steering happening in this thread is designed to MOVE YOU AWAY from the CORE ISSUE:
Gingrich is speaking in support of further genocidal actions against the Palestinians.
The statement that Palestinians are "invented" (and the subsequent support in this thread for that statement) - is an example of how Gingrich is attempting to control the discussion: "let's talk about semantics, definitions, the Zionist view that the Palestinians are not a 'real' people" --- and an example of how people who share Gingrich's agenda are willing to jump in and engage that conversation. IMO that's playing into the NWO agenda; and not relevant.

What IS relevant is:

Gingrich is speaking in support of further genocidal actions against the Palestinians.

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2011, 08:40:22 pm »
Are you reading what you are posting? I guess not since it is obvious you don't have a clue what your post say.
"It is important to mention that “Palestine” is a name that was coined by the Europeans.  It did not exist before this point." is a quote straight from your posting, so are the others.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2011, 05:23:32 am »
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What IS relevant is:

Gingrich is speaking in support of further genocidal actions against the Palestinians.

For the record, I do not like Gingrich. But iti is unfair of you to make that allegation. In fact it is libelous. Your bias towards a fake people's is showing.

If people were serious about learning who these "Palistinians" actually are, they'd have to go A LOT further back than the Ottomans.

That is just a distraction to talk of that time frame. It goes WAY back to the split of the original family of Abraham. "Israel" is Isaac and "Palistine" is Ishmael. This is why both religions venerate Abraham. It's where the family split, but they are all of the same family. IN fact, "Palistinians" are of Hebrew decent originally if you really want to get factual.

see...

Genesis 17:20
Genesis 25:12

Technically, "Palistinians" are a mix of people's, not a single race or nationality. It literally is an invented people's for the sake of Israeli opposition, but it's just a modern version of the same ole' bickering that has been going on between "cousins" for thousands of years.

And I'm sorry, I disagree that the Philistines are today's modern "Palistinians". That's a joke at best, as they were just one group of people in the region of several. And if you REALLY want to get technical, the area is actually "Canaan", and it all belonged to the Canaanites originally. (see Genesis 17:8)
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2011, 06:09:34 am »
For the record, I do not like Gingrich. But iti is unfair of you to make that allegation. In fact it is libelous.

Is this libelous...

Newt Gingrich is a demonic plague on humanity. His white paper written before 9/11/2001 titles "Age of Transitions" not only exposes how much he ejaculates to the end of the United States of America, but that his insatiable fantasies can only be satisfied by a total end to humanity itself. He is a psychopathic lying sack of shit who profiteers while America burns. He has no soul and no purpose on this planet other than to promote NWO genocide with a smile. He is a genius when it comes to eopolitical manipulations, and is using all of his intellect to destroy freedom in America.

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Your bias towards a fake people's is showing.

Please do not call any people a 'fake' people. Go to Gaza and see how fake these people are, they are no more fake than any other people on the face of the globe.

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If people were serious about learning who these "Palistinians" actually are, they'd have to go A LOT further back than the Ottomans.

That is just a distraction to talk of that time frame. It goes WAY back to the split of the original family of Abraham. "Israel" is Isaac and "Palistine" is Ishmael. This is why both religions venerate Abraham. It's where the family split, but they are all of the same family. IN fact, "Palistinians" are of Hebrew decent originally if you really want to get factual.

see...

Genesis 17:20
Genesis 25:12

Technically, "Palistinians" are a mix of people's, not a single race or nationality. It literally is an invented people's for the sake of Israeli opposition, but it's just a modern version of the same ole' bickering that has been going on between "cousins" for thousands of years.

And I'm sorry, I disagree that the Philistines are today's modern "Palistinians". That's a joke at best, as they were just one group of people in the region of several. And if you REALLY want to get technical, the area is actually "Canaan", and it all belonged to the Canaanites originally. (see Genesis 17:8)

If you cannot help yourself from going all 'bible thumpic psychotic' on this forum, at least do it in the bible thuumping room in the future. Thanks.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2011, 08:18:50 am »
To call the Palestinian people "invented" is to suggest that they don't exist: it means that as a people, you are "disappearing" them.

But in this country as in the rest of the west, it has become 'ok' to make these statements: there will always be a group of sheep willing to swallow this garbage because they have their own agenda. For fundamentalist "christians" (in quotes because this is not true christianity) this means the expulsion (disappearance) of a group of muslims from the Holy Land: in order to further the cause for rebuilding the temple (currently the site of the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem), and paving the way for the second coming. No matter what. (Now, what would Jesus think of the 'invented' peoples currently being genocided?)

Do you think that maybe there's a little propaganda behind this pervasive fear of muslims - those worries that "Islam is taking over America!!!" ... can you see how this is being put out there to instill fear, to use fear as a method of control; to scare the sh*t out of you so that you'll do ANYTHING to protect yourself from those "evildoers"? Do you see that they blamed the biggest false flag in history on a group of muslims; do you buy the 'official story' or are you awake?

You can't be awake to the 911 false flag AND believe that muslims are all trying to take over.

You can't be awake to the NWO and believe the enemy is muslims. Newt Gingrich is putting out propaganda because he SUPPORTS the NWO agenda to keep the people fighting amongst themselves; he seeks the destruction of the Palestinian people - he states as much when he calls them "invented".

Newt Gingrich is "invented" - a creation of greed and avarice, a sycophant to his masters and a hater of freedom and liberty. He advocates for the destruction of  Palestinians, of all muslims, and of you and me.
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Important study shows that a small network
is fostering widespread hatred of Islam inside US politics and public opinion

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/important-study-shows-that-a-small-network-is-fostering-widespread-hatred-of-islam-inside-us-politics-and-public-opinion.html
by Philip Weiss on August 29, 2011

On Friday, the Center for American Progress published an important and excellent study, called Fear, Inc: The roots of the Islamophobia network in the US. The study shows that the wave of Islamophobia in the U.S. --Americans mistrust Muslims more than they did even after 9/11-- is the product of a few energized individuals. And they're polluting our political discourse.

Specifically, it's a handful of exponents of Islamophobia, among them Daniel Pipes, Sharia-law "expert" David Yerushalmi (whom the NYT profiled in more neutral terms a couple weeks back), David Horowitz, and Steve Emerson, the CNN expert turned wingnut.

And the Center shows that they are getting money from just a few sources, but a ton of money at that. In short, a conspiracy, and an important one. You can't call it a conspiracy these days, it's a "network," or as Steve Walt says below, a "collaboration."

I'll get to excerpts of the report below, but the report recapitulates the history of neoconservatism. Recall that the Iraq war crusade was implanted into the American discourse in the '90s by the decided and earnest effort of a few true believers, backed by tons of money, who had a crazed theory of importing democracy to the Middle East by gunpoint, everywhere but in Israel/Palestine. And those beliefs soon swept the mainstream.

I'm hopeful that Islamophobia won't be so successful, and partly because the Center for American Progress has risen against it.

The report is careful to sidestep the Israel-motivation angle of the Islamophobes. I think this is intellectually irresponsible, but inevitable. No one in the Establishment wants to touch this angle. They don't want to be sounding like Walt and Mearsheimer, the Israel lobby. And of course, it's good that a portion of the Establishment is denouncing the ultra-Zionists. But supporting Israel is certainly an important part of the motivation, as I pointed out about Yerushalmi a few weeks back-- the Jewish right to Palestine is at the heart of his engagement, he even changed his name to Jerusalem. And donor Aubrey Chernick, whom the report focuses on -- well, again, Israel support is at the heart of his public actions.

Here are two quick takes on the report. Steve Walt at Foreign Policy:

   
    The irony in all this that the extremists examined in this report have gone to great lengths to convince Americans that there is a vast Islamic conspiracy to subvert American democracy, impose sharia law, and destroy the American way of life. Instead, what we are really facing is a well-funded right-wing collaboration to scare the American people with a bogeyman of their own creation, largely to justify more ill-advised policies in the Middle East.

And Ed Lasky at American Thinker points out the Jewishness of the list, though he leaves out the fact that George Soros is also Jewish:

   
    The Soros-supported Center for American Progress blames rich Jews for stoking Islamophobia...

        The Obama-allied Center for American Progress has released a report that blames Islamophobia in America on a small group of Jews and Israel supporters in America, whose views are being backed by millions of dollars. This "network", according to the news release, have "have worked hard to push narratives that Obama might be a Muslim, that mosques are incubators of radicalization, and that "radical Islam" has infiltrated all aspects of American society -- including the conservative movement. Who are the figures mentioned as the promoters of prejudice? Most of them are prominent Jews and supporters of Israel, such as David Horowitz, Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson (the founder of the Investigative Project on Terrorism). The eight foundations mentioned as funding this effort include are almost exclusively ones founded and funded by Jewish donors, and lest readers not be aware of this fact, the Center for American Progress lists not only the other beneficiaries of the charities and foundations (most of them having Jewish or Israel in the title) but also goes to the trouble of naming the individuals behind these charities -- not just the donors but also those who serve on the boards.

Now here are some excerpts from the report itself:

    This network of hate is not a new presence in the United States. Indeed, its ability
    to organize, coordinate, and disseminate its ideology through grassroots organizations
    increased dramatically over the past 10 years. Furthermore, its ability to
    influence politicians’ talking points and wedge issues for the upcoming 2012 elections
    has mainstreamed what was once considered fringe, extremist rhetoric.
    And it all starts with the money flowing from a select group of foundations.
    A small group of foundations and wealthy donors are the lifeblood of the
    Islamophobia network in America, providing critical funding to a clutch of
    right-wing think tanks that peddle hate and fear of Muslims and Islam—

    ...Due in part to the relentless efforts of this small group of individuals and organizations, 
    Islam is now the most negatively viewed religion in America.
    Only 37 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Islam: the lowest favorability rating
    since 2001, according to a 2010 ABC News/Washington Post poll. According
    to a 2010 Time magazine poll, 28 percent of voters do not believe Muslims should
    be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, and nearly one-third of the country
    thinks followers of Islam should be barred from running for president.

    Separate from the Fairbrook Foundation [one of the funders], Aubrey Chernick is a trustee of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and helped provide the $3.5 million in initial capital to start the conservative blog Pajamas Media, which used its online platform to oppose the Park51 community center in New York City....

    Altogether, these seven charitable groups provided $42.6 million in total to
    Islamophobic think tanks between 2001 and 2009—funding that supports the
    misinformation scholars and experts....



    All five [experts pictured above] are actively promoting the deeply mistaken portrayal of Islam—a religion of nearly 1.6 billion people worldwide, including 2.6 million Americans—as an inherently violent ideology that seeks domination over the United States and all non-Muslims.

Here is the summary at the start of the report:

The funding

    • More than $40 million flowed from seven foundations over 10 years.

    • The foundations funding the misinformation experts: Donors Capital Fund; Richard Mellon Scaife Foundation; Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; Newton and Rochelle Becker Foundation and Newton and Rochelle Becker Charitable Trust; Russell Berrie Foundation, Anchorage Charitable Fund and William Rosenwald Family Fund; Fairbrook Foundation.

    The misinformation experts
• Five experts generate the false facts and materials used by political leaders, grassroots groups, and the media:
• Frank Gaffney at the Center for Security Policy
• David Yerushalmi at the Society of Americans for National Existence
• Daniel Pipes at the Middle East Forum
• Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch and Stop Islamization of America
• Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism

    • These experts travel the country and work with or testify before state legislatures calling for a ban on the nonexisting threat of Sharia law in America and proclaiming that the vast majority of mosques in our country harbor Islamist terrorists or sympathizers.

    • David Yerushalmi’s “model legislation” banning Sharia law has been cut and pasted into bills in South Carolina, Texas, and Alaska. His video on how to draft an anti-Sharia bill and his online tools have been picked up nationwide.

    The reach
    • The movement is moving nationwide in more than 23 states— made possible by a combination of new, single-minded Islamophobia groups, exemplified by Brigitte Gabriel’s ACT! For America, Pam Geller’s Stop Islamization of America, David Horowitz’s Freedom Center, and existing groups such as the American Family Association and the Eagle Forum.

    • Misinformation experts are broadcast around the country and the world, with their work cited many times by (among others) confessed Norway terrorist Anders Breivik.

    • U.S. politicians such as Reps. Peter King (R-NY), Allen West (R-FL), and Michele Bachmann (R-MN) repeat these anti-Muslim attacks give credence to incorrect facts.

    • This small network of people is driving the national and global debates that have real consequences on the public dialogue and on American Muslims.

    • In September 2010, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed that 49 percent of Americans held an unfavorable view of Islam, a significant increase from 39 percent in October of 2002.

    Why it matters
• These attacks go right to the heart of two critically important national issues: the fabric and strength of our democracy and our national security.
Our Constitution upholds freedom of religion for all Americans. Contending that some religions are not part of the promise of American freedoms established by our founders directly challenges who we are as a nation.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2011, 09:09:22 am »
To call the Palestinian people "invented" is to suggest that they don't exist: it means that as a people, you are "disappearing" them.

But in this country as in the rest of the west, it has become 'ok' to make these statements: there will always be a group of sheep willing to swallow this garbage because they have their own agenda. For fundamentalist "christians" (in quotes because this is not true christianity) this means the expulsion (disappearance) of a group of muslims from the Holy Land: in order to further the cause for rebuilding the temple (currently the site of the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem), and paving the way for the second coming. No matter what. (Now, what would Jesus think of the 'invented' peoples currently being genocided?)

Do you think that maybe there's a little propaganda behind this pervasive fear of muslims - those worries that "Islam is taking over America!!!" ... can you see how this is being put out there to instill fear, to use fear as a method of control; to scare the sh*t out of you so that you'll do ANYTHING to protect yourself from those "evildoers"? Do you see that they blamed the biggest false flag in history on a group of muslims; do you buy the 'official story' or are you awake?

You can't be awake to the 911 false flag AND believe that muslims are all trying to take over.

You can't be awake to the NWO and believe the enemy is muslims. Newt Gingrich is putting out propaganda because he SUPPORTS the NWO agenda to keep the people fighting amongst themselves; he seeks the destruction of the Palestinian people - he states as much when he calls them "invented".

Newt Gingrich is "invented" - a creation of greed and avarice, a sycophant to his masters and a hater of freedom and liberty. He advocates for the destruction of  Palestinians, of all muslims, and of you and me.


Any one who supports the rebuilding of the temple, supports anti-christ.  As for Israel, they lost it, Christ said it in Matthew, their land is left desolate, in 70 ad when Rome invaded and destroyed the temple that was it, no more.  Everyone who still supports Israel today doesn't understand that the covenant with them is OVER, and has been given to everyone who will follow God.  We are the new Israel of God.  People have been tricked into supporting Israel and supporting every evil act they do to people.  Disgusting.

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2011, 10:37:45 am »
that came after the other, and the Romans are European. They are still around.

You are not making a lick of sense, Ottomans were Turks, but not all subjects of the ottoman empire were Turks, same goes for the British empire.
Here is a good post you bush upon your history.








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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2011, 11:02:28 am »
Any one who supports the rebuilding of the temple, supports anti-christ.  As for Israel, they lost it, Christ said it in Matthew, their land is left desolate, in 70 ad when Rome invaded and destroyed the temple that was it, no more.  Everyone who still supports Israel today doesn't understand that the covenant with them is OVER, and has been given to everyone who will follow God.  We are the new Israel of God.  People have been tricked into supporting Israel and supporting every evil act they do to people.  Disgusting.

Well said.

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2011, 12:11:51 pm »
Then you might as well say that most Jews are "invented", since the overwhelming majority of them are not Hebrews, most originate from eastern europe and have no ancesters in the holy land. 



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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2011, 03:43:49 pm »
Then you might as well say that most Jews are "invented", since the overwhelming majority of them are not Hebrews, most originate from eastern europe and have no ancesters in the holy land.  



Newt truly is a demon of darkness!

Ron Paul made a statement in the last debate, using Gingrich's logic of not having a traditional homeland being the litmus, then the Israelis were an invented people as well...

This whole thing is a red herring to shift the light from Gingrich's true darkness into a quasi religious historical realm, however...

A quick perusal of his work in formulating the "third way" reveals him in his true garb...

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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2011, 04:39:40 pm »
Ron Paul made a statement in the last debate, using Gingrich's logic of not having a traditional homeland being the litmus, then the Israelis were an invented people as well...

This whole thing is a red herring to shift the light from Gingrich's true darkness into a quasi religious historical realm, however...

A quick perusal of his work in formulating the "third way" reveals him in his true garb...

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the cause of all mankind. Where, some say, is
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reigns above."
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Gingrich's true darkness?


Whatever could that be?


Is any campaign exposing Newt's true darkness?



Ron Paul 2012: Newt Gingrich wants the constitution to DIE!

THE STREET picked it up, make it go viral!

Ron Paul: Newt Gingrich Wants the Constitution to Die
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11342257/1/ron-paul-newt-gingrich-wants-the-constitution-to-die.html
By Joe Deaux 12/12/11 - 04:23 PM EST

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Ron Paul's campaign said on Monday that Newt Gingrich wants the Constitution to die, based on a book the former House speaker wrote the foreword to.

A sentence from page 91 of the book "Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave," according to ronpaul2012.com, says: "For this wisdom above all, we thank Mr. Jefferson, who helped create the system that served us so well for so long and that now must, in its turn, die and be replaced."

The headline comes from the "Paulitical Ticker" section of Paul's campaign Web site that features Jack Hunter. In the blog post, Hunter says that he is not using hyperbole and that he isn't kidding.

"We can assume the Tofflers [authors Alvin and Heidi] are talking about Thomas Jefferson. Understanding 'Jeffersonian democracy' is integral to understanding American constitutional government, the system Mr. Jefferson 'helped create,' " Hunter writes.

Gingrich wrote in the foreword that the book was a key effort in empowering citizens to invent a new civilization.

Two emails and a phone call to Gingrich's campaign seeking comment were not returned by the time this story was published.

Newt is neutered! Finally these New World Order Eugenecist psychos are being exposed!
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2011, 04:50:18 pm »
To call the Palestinian people "invented" is to suggest that they don't exist: it means that as a people, you are "disappearing" them.

But in this country as in the rest of the west, it has become 'ok' to make these statements: there will always be a group of sheep willing to swallow this garbage because they have their own agenda. For fundamentalist "christians" (in quotes because this is not true christianity) this means the expulsion (disappearance) of a group of muslims from the Holy Land: in order to further the cause for rebuilding the temple (currently the site of the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem), and paving the way for the second coming. No matter what. (Now, what would Jesus think of the 'invented' peoples currently being genocided?)

Do you think that maybe there's a little propaganda behind this pervasive fear of muslims - those worries that "Islam is taking over America!!!" ... can you see how this is being put out there to instill fear, to use fear as a method of control; to scare the sh*t out of you so that you'll do ANYTHING to protect yourself from those "evildoers"? Do you see that they blamed the biggest false flag in history on a group of muslims; do you buy the 'official story' or are you awake?

You can't be awake to the 911 false flag AND believe that muslims are all trying to take over.

You can't be awake to the NWO and believe the enemy is muslims. Newt Gingrich is putting out propaganda because he SUPPORTS the NWO agenda to keep the people fighting amongst themselves; he seeks the destruction of the Palestinian people - he states as much when he calls them "invented".

Newt Gingrich is "invented" - a creation of greed and avarice, a sycophant to his masters and a hater of freedom and liberty. He advocates for the destruction of  Palestinians, of all muslims, and of you and me.


I certainly didn't intend to suggest they don't exist, because they surely do. You miss understand the use of "invented". As stated, these "Palistinians" have been around that area for thousands of years. But here is where the hangup is; you just now bothered to ask what my position is on them as a people. All I did was address where they originated, which actually ads to their claims on the land as much as the Hebrews.

My point is that a side cannot lay claim, only using a certain time period in history. That is being selective. However history shows the Palistinians as a general people have been there, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Seeing you ask, I personally think they all have a legitimate claim to be there. What the real problem is is with the Israeli secular government, the Palistinian governments, and the NWO agenda, which is to play on the divisions between Arabs and Jews. prophecy WIll work itself out regardless of what man does.

And regardless of the opinions of some here, religion is a very relevant aspect to this, as history records it. You cannot remove religion from the Arab and Jew debate, sorry, because both sides lay religious claims themselves. The Palistinians claim Israeli's have no rights to the Temple Mount, so how can this not be in part religious? Some ignore the truth and refuse to discuss historical fact at their own peril.

Thank you for making the distinction, which few seem to care to do or even know there is a difference. I think it better said "fundamentalist churchianity". There is nothing Christian about them. It's just a sheep's skin cover.

True, certain ones in that group are pushing for certain things to take place, to which I totally disagree with. WE cannot make prophecy happen. We are not God, and not in control. What they are doing is on the surface a doctrine of works, and not faith. Man cannot take matters into his own hands. That is the very sin of Satan himself. God knows what these vile people are doing, so no worries, He'll give them their reward in due time.

Yes, of course there is fearmongering over Islam. That is the classic tactic of the enemy, to get man to argue among themselves and be divided. But Islam in the end will be forced to bow it's knee to the ruler of this world, just like all the other false religions, right along with the Roman Catholics, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. The NWO has their own little "religion" in mind. And they have their own political stooges like Newt and others.
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Re: Anti-American/Anti-Human Newt Gingrich- "Palestinians are "invented"
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2011, 04:58:38 pm »
I certainly didn't intend to suggest they don't exist, because they surely do. You miss understand the use of "invented". As stated, these "Palistinians" have been around that area for thousands of years. But here is where the hangup is; you just now bothered to ask what my position is on them as a people. All I did was address where they originated, which actually ads to their claims on the land as much as the Hebrews.

My point is that a side cannot lay claim, only using a certain time period in history. That is being selective. However history shows the Palistinians as a general people have been there, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Seeing you ask, I personally think they all have a legitimate claim to be there. What the real problem is is with the Israeli secular government, the Palistinian governments, and the NWO agenda, which is to play on the divisions between Arabs and Jews. prophecy WIll work itself out regardless of what man does.

And regardless of the opinions of some here, religion is a very relevant aspect to this, as history records it. You cannot remove religion from the Arab and Jew debate, sorry, because both sides lay religious claims themselves. The Palistinians claim Israeli's have no rights to the Temple Mount, so how can this not be in part religious? Some ignore the truth and refuse to discuss historical fact at their own peril.

Thank you for making the distinction, which few seem to care to do or even know there is a difference. I think it better said "fundamentalist churchianity". There is nothing Christian about them. It's just a sheep's skin cover.

True, certain ones in that group are pushing for certain things to take place, to which I totally disagree with. WE cannot make prophecy happen. We are not God, and not in control. What they are doing is on the surface a doctrine of works, and not faith. Man cannot take matters into his own hands. That is the very sin of Satan himself. God knows what these vile people are doing, so no worries, He'll give them their reward in due time.

Yes, of course there is fearmongering over Islam. That is the classic tactic of the enemy, to get man to argue among themselves and be divided. But Islam in the end will be forced to bow it's knee to the ruler of this world, just like all the other false religions, right along with the Roman Catholics, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. The NWO has their own little "religion" in mind. And they have their own political stooges like Newt and others.

The only ones claiming religious authority are the Bilderberg/CFR puppets who manfacture mythologies using pseudo religion crapola marketing manufactured on 5th avenue as part of a sales campaign for more depopulation weapons to smother the area! True religions of all of the peoples in the areas do not have these issues and never did, the only ones who did were the state sponsored terrorists and false flag "TRACK 2" operatives since the roman empire.
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