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These guys know they are caught and instead of trolling BS on the internet like they did with no planes, now they are going right to the MSM with their zionuke jesuit grey aliens from xenu crapola. Are these Bilderberg morons even trying any more?


Did chemical reactions cause Twin Towers collapse?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/21/did-chemical-reactions-cause-twin-towers-collapse/
By Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, September 21st, 2011 -- 5:18 pm

PARIS — A mix of sprinkling system water and melted aluminium from aircraft hulls likely triggered the explosions that felled New York's Twin Towers on September 11, 2001, a materials expert has told a technology conference. "If my theory is correct, tonnes of aluminium ran down through the towers, where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water," Christian Simensen, a scientist at SINTEF, an independent technology research institute based in Norway, said in a statement released Wednesday. "From other disasters and experiments carried out by the aluminium industry, we know that reactions of this sort lead to violent explosions." The official report blames the collapse on the over-heating and failure of the structural steel beams at the core of the buildings, an explanation Simensen rejects. Given the quantities of the molten metal involved, the blasts would have been powerful enough to blow out an entire section of each building, he said. This, in turn, would lead to the top section of each tower to fall down on the sections below. The sheer weight of the top floors would be enough to crush the lower part of the building like a house of card, he said. The aluminium-water scenario would also account for explosions from within the buildings just prior to their collapse that have fuelled conspiracy theories suggesting that the structures had been booby-trapped. Simensen presented his theory at an international materials technology conference in San Diego, California, and has detailed his calculations in an article published in the trade journal Aluminium International Today. "The aluminium industry had reported more than 250 aluminium-water explosions since 1980," he said.

In a controlled experiment carried out by Alcoa Aluminium, 20 kilos (44 pounds) of molten aluminium was allowed to react with 20 litres of water, along with a small quantity of rust. "The explosion destroyed the entire laboratory and left a crater 30 metres (100 feet) in diameter," Simensen said. By comparison, the aircraft carried 30 tonnes of aluminium into each of the towers, according to his calculations. Simensen speculates that the two commercial jets were immediately trapped inside an insulating layer of building debris within the skyscrapers. The debris -- especially plaster, which blocks the transfer of heat -- would have formed a shield protecting the rest of the building. At the same time, however, it would created a super-hot, oven-like zone around the aircraft, heated by burning fuel. Aluminium alloy, which in jet hulls also contains magnesium, melts at 660 degrees Celsius (1,220 degrees Fahrenheit). If heated to 750 C (1382 F), the alloy "becomes as liquid as water," Simensen said.

This molten aluminium could then have flowed downward through staircases and gaps in the floor, causing a chemical reaction with water from sprinklers on the levels below. The mix would immediately boost temperatures by several hundred degrees, releasing combustible hydrogen in the process. Such reactions are even more powerful in the presence of rust or other catalysts, which can boost temperatures to more than 1,500 C (2,700 F). A meltdown period of 30 to 45 minutes would also be consistent with the timing of the explosions and subsequent collapse of both buildings in relation to the moment of impact. Simensen said there are lessons to be learned, if his theory is correct, that could help avoid a similar disaster were another skyscraper to be hit by a big jet. "We could develop means of rapidly emptying sprinkler systems in the floors beneath the point of impact," he said. Firing a rocket with fire-retardant that could coat the aircraft body could also help prevent metal alloy from melting.


Oh man, what the f*ck, this is beyond the thermal expansion garbage.  cloudylissa puts things in perspective with her more plausible theory in the satire section...


My new 9/11 WTC collapse theory in response to Simensen's WTC collapse theory
(In response to http://www.infowars.com/new-theory-on-collapse-of-twin-towers/ )

Simensen says quote, "If my theory is correct, tonnes of aluminium ran down through the towers, where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water,” explained Christian Simensen, a scientist at SINTEF, an independent technology research institute based in Norway."

Oh yeah? Well I have a fancy theory too, Simensen:

"If my theory is correct, tonnes of Post-it notes combined with large amounts of half-full coffee cups left on the desks of the WTC workers, where oxygen combined with magical fairy dust and unicorn wishes to incite the production of giant balls of cotton candy, thus tempting Godzilla to appear from the fifth dimension and melt the towers into their footprints with the power of hundreds of litres of Japanese schoolboy nightmares,” explained Cloudylissa, a Dynamic Research Supervisor and Chief Quality Strategist for SIJMUBISG, an independent institute of independent independence.

Not to disrespect the victims of 9/11, but seriously. How stupid do they think we are?

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New theory on Twin Towers' collapse
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 05:23:10 pm »
New theory on Twin Towers' collapse

Explosions triggered by molten aircraft metal reacting with water from sprinkler systems may have felled the Twin Towers after the 9/11 attacks, according to a new theory.

Just before the two World Trade Centre skyscrapers in New York collapsed on September 11 2001, powerful blasts were heard within the buildings.

A leading materials scientist says they could be the key to the dramatic conclusion of the terrorist attacks.

Over-heated steel beams have been blamed for the towers suddenly crashing to the ground after they were hit by two passenger jets.

But Norwegian expert Dr Christian Simensen has another theory. He believes powerful explosions caused by a chemical reaction between molten aluminium from the aircraft and water ripped out the buildings’ internal structure.

“Both scientific experiments and 250 reported disasters suffered by the aluminium industry have shown that the combination of molten aluminium and water releases enormous explosions,” said Dr Simensen, from the SINTEF institute based in Trondheim, Norway.

Almost 3,000 people died after al-Qaida terrorists flew two fuel-laden passenger jets into the World Trade Centre in Manhattan.

The impacts triggered massive explosions and fires, but the subsequent collapse of each tower came as a shock and surprise to those watching the disaster unfold.

Explosions heard just before the buildings fell have led to claims that explosives were set off inside the towers.

Dr Simensen believes after crashing into the skyscrapers the two jets would have been trapped within an insulating layer of debris.

As a result, the aircraft hulls rather than the buildings absorbed most of the heat from the burning aviation fuel.

Molten aluminium from the jets, flowing down through staircases and gaps in the floors, reacted with water from emergency sprinklers on the lower levels, it is claimed.

“I regard it as extremely likely that it was these explosions that made the skyscrapers collapse by tearing out part of the internal structure, and that this caused the uppermost floors of the buildings to fall and crush the lower parts,” said Dr Simensen, who presented his theory at an international materials conference in San Diego, California.

“In other words, I believe that these were the explosions that were heard by people in the vicinity and that have since given life to the conspiracy theories that explosives had been placed in the skyscrapers.”

The Boeing 767 aircraft would have together carried 30 tonnes of aluminium, he said.

Dr Simensen calculated that the temperature of alluminium alloy in the aircraft hulls could have reached 750C, enough to make it as liquid as water.

He told the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society: “All the floors in the Twin Towers were equipped with sprinkler systems. All the water above the hot aircraft bodies must have turned to steam. If my theory is correct, tonnes of aluminium ran down through the towers, where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water. From other disasters and experiments carried out by the aluminium industry, we know that reactions of this sort lead to violent explosions.

“The aluminium would immediately react with the water, with the result of a local rise in temperature of several hundred degrees, in addition to the explosions that were due to the fact that these reactions release hydrogen. Such reactions are particularly powerful when rust or other catalysts are present, which can raise the temperature to more than 1500C.”

The dangers of combining molten aluminium and water are well known to the aluminium industry, Dr Simensen added. In one experiment, in which 20 kilos of aluminium smelt were allowed to react with 20 kilos of water containing some rust, the resulting explosion destroyed an entire laboratory and left a crater 30 metres in diameter.

“Aluminium-water explosions are like dynamite explosions,” said Dr Simensen. “They were probably powerful enough to blow out an entire section of each building. The top section would than fall down on top of the sections that remained below, and the sheer weight of the top floors would be enough to crush the lower part of the building.”

An article outlining Dr Simensen’s theory has appeared in the journal Aluminium International Today.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/new-theory-on-twin-towers-collapse-521426.html

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Re: New theory on Twin Towers' collapse
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 05:32:45 pm »
Impossible. There's just no way The 9/11 Omission could have missed that in their honest and thorough investigation!
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Re: New theory on Twin Towers' collapse
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 05:40:37 pm »
LMAO a zillion times!!!

Water sprinklers did it!!!

And it happened EXACTLY the same for WTC 1, 2, and, I suppose, 7.

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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 05:42:23 pm »
Okay, let me see if I get this. They want us to believe that now they admit there were explosions, but it wasn't bombs, but, get this, a chemicle reaction? Wait, what?

Isn't thermite a chemical reaction, or any other explosion?  ::)

They deny, deny, deny, then suddenly they admit explosions, and give of course some pat explanation. They've had 10 years to come up with a decent answer for all this, and this is the best they got?  ::)
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 08:00:15 pm »
Okay, let me see if I get this. They want us to believe that now they admit there were explosions, but it wasn't bombs, but, get this, a chemicle reaction? Wait, what?

Isn't thermite a chemical reaction, or any other explosion?  ::)

They deny, deny, deny, then suddenly they admit explosions, and give of course some pat explanation. They've had 10 years to come up with a decent answer for all this, and this is the best they got?  ::)
In the name of sanity, how the hell can a man, a profesional, walk aomng other human beings and hold his head up, in fact justify his very existance. He is a disqrace,a sold out.
 He did say explosions we can give him that much.

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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 08:08:27 pm »
It's all theater.
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 08:08:41 pm »
Of course it was chemical reactions... the kind of chemical reactions that take place when a many tens of tons of thermite and many thousands of pounds of well placed demolition explosives are touched off... give me a break, wtf...

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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 08:19:49 pm »
An airliner crash into a 110 story office tower cannot make buildings like that, just collapse like they did. All three of them! (at least)

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Re: New theory on Twin Towers' collapse
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 08:23:30 pm »
The Boeing 767 aircraft would have together carried 30 tonnes of aluminium, he said. Dr Simensen calculated that the temperature of alluminium alloy in the aircraft hulls could have reached 750C, enough to make it as liquid as water.

He told the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society: “All the floors in the Twin Towers were equipped with sprinkler systems. All the water above the hot aircraft bodies must have turned to steam. If my theory is correct, tonnes of aluminium ran down through the towers, where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water. From other disasters and experiments carried out by the aluminium industry, we know that reactions of this sort lead to violent explosions.

“The aluminium would immediately react with the water, with the result of a local rise in temperature of several hundred degrees, in addition to the explosions that were due to the fact that these reactions release hydrogen. Such reactions are particularly powerful when rust or other catalysts are present, which can raise the temperature to more than 1500C.”

Boeing 767 is mostly  made of an aluminum alloy with 14% steel...

http://static.gest.unipd.it/esercizi/IIP_pmmi/Al_aerospace_03.pdf
Aluminum        80 wt.%
Steel              14 wt.%
Titanium         2 wt.%
PMC's             3 wt.%
Other             1 wt.%



And the timing of these 'aluminum explosions' with military precision and no steam clouds of the magnitude required? WTF?
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 08:57:34 pm »
Never forget that we fund this bullshit.
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 09:42:02 pm »
Police Found Suspected Bombs In WTC On 9/11 (Click Here)
Reports surfaced of truck parked in building

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | December 5 2005

The report you're watching and hearing was filed by an MSNBC news anchor Rick Sanchez on the morning of September 11th 2001. It can be downloaded here (Click this button for download).

The details contained therein seem to have slipped under the radar amidst the huge body of evidence proving controlled demolition brought down both the twin towers and Building 7.

Sanchez states,

”Police have found what they believe to be a suspicious device and they fear that it may lead to another explosion."

"I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me they have reason to believe that one of the explosion at the besides the ones made with the planes, may have been caused by a van that was parked on the building that may have had an explosive device in it.”

It would make sense that police would find at least some of the bombs that tore down the only steel buildings to collapse from fire damage in history at speeds that defied physics. There would have been so many devices involved in the demolition that stumbling across some was inevitable.

This report mirrors those that emerged in the hours following the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, where bomb squads removed numerous unexploded secondary devices from the Alfred P. Murrah building.



The twin towers were wired to the brim with highly powerful explosives, some of which exploded before the collapse of the buildings and some during.

This is why people like construction worker Philip Morelli, working in the fourth sub-basement of the north tower, were thrown around like rag dolls in an earthquake.

With the sheer volume of evidence and basic straightforward common sense proving controlled demolition, the possibility still remains that the federal government, backed by FEMA, will come forward and announce that another Al-Qaeda cell placed the explosives days before the attack.

This of course is ridiculous, it takes highly trained explosives experts weeks and sometimes months to correctly rig buildings many times smaller than the twin towers, and with varying degrees of success. The towers imploded perfectly and fell down right in their own footsteps, as did Building 7 which wasn't hit by a plane. Any building not owned by Larry Silverstein, despite having closer proximity to the towers, strangely stood its ground.

Larry Silverstein admitted that Building 7 was "pulled," an industry term for demolition, in a September 2002 PBS documentary, but has failed to respond to a firestorm of subsequent questions.



Others argue that the powers that be will simply continue to ignore the evidence now being certified by such credible individuals as Professor Steven Jones and former chief economist for the US Department of Labor under George W. Bush, Morgan Reynolds.

To change such a major element of the official version of events would throw into question all the other pieces of the puzzle and the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.

Nevertheless, the report that police did find explosives in the World Trade Center before the collapse of the towers is another giant smoking gun to add to all the rest proving that the collapse of the buildings and 9/11 was an inside job.

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Related: Alex Jones at Ground Zero: The Use Of Explosives In the 9/11 Attack

In this 22 minute clip Alex reports from ground zero and talks to eyewitnesses who were there on the day who reported bombs.

Related: Bombs in the World Trade Center





Police Found Suspected Bombs In WTC On 9/11

Pat Dawson Reports Albert Turrey's Theory Of Explosive Devices Planted In WTC Buildings
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2011, 10:24:42 pm »
Scientific Analysis Proves Towers Brought Down By Incendiaries (Click Here)
Steven Jones' analysis on WTC steel about to be released

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 20 2006

Scientific analysis on WTC steel debris undertaken by BYU Professor Steven Jones proves that the twin towers were demolished by means of incendiary devices and the release of the conclusive evidence is imminent.

The material that was first brought into question on the back of photos and video clips of the twin towers showing a dripping molten substance and floating white ash can now be confirmed as being thermate, combining thermite which is used as an incendiary device to bring down structures and sulfur, which cuts through steel quicker and leaves a yellow residue.



Pools of molten yellow metal were also found underneath both towers and Building 7 subsequent to the collapses.

"The evidence points directly to controlled demolition which means an inside job brought these World Trade Center buildings down," Jones told radio host Alex Jones in a video interview.

Jones says that, "using advanced techniques we're finding out what's in these samples - we're finding iron, sulphur, potassium and manganese - these are characteristic of a variation of thermite which is used to cut through steel very rapidly, it's called thermate."

"In order to have thermite in these buildings in this way, to help bring the buildings down, that means that thermite had to be planted in the buildings which of course implies directly and inside job - someone had to have access into the buildings," said Jones.

Jones' has conducted over 40 peer reviewed scientific studies two of which were published in Nature and Scientific American.



This facet of the 9/11 truth movement was first brought to light during a November 2005 appearance on The Alex Jones Show by Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones. Jones said that white phosphorous wasn't powerful enough to cause the implosion but that thermite was the likely culprit. Alex Jones's 2005 release Martial Law 9/11 Rise of the Police State highlighted the physical evidence that the towers and Building 7 were brought down with incendiary devices.

Jones stated that thermite was a "clever" choice because its ingredients, aluminum and iron oxide do not require identifying tags by law, meaning they couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.

Watch the following video and observe how thermite completely melts a car engine in a matter of seconds, without the addition of sulphur, and also completely resists neutralization by liquid nitrogen. Notice how the dripping substance is identical to that seen in the south tower video.

thermite experiment 911

The following video highlights the fact that steaming hot molten metal was still being found at the World Trade Center site six weeks after the attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D2myMbQjQ

Jones also, "cited video pictures showing white ash rising from the south tower near the dripping, liquefied metal. When thermite burns, Jones said, it releases aluminum-oxide ash. The presence of both yellow-white molten iron and aluminum oxide ash "are signature characteristics of a thermite reaction," he said."

American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn discusses evidence of thermite used to sever the twin tower's steel support columns in the picture below.

"In this photo, for example, the column directly above the fireman's helmet shows that it was cut with thermite. There is a substantial amount of hardened molten iron which can be seen on both the inside and outside of the box column. This is precisely what one would expect to find on a column which had been cut with thermite," says Bollyn.

White flames consistent with how thermite reacts producing molten iron and aluminum oxide are also visible in this photograph at the corner of the 81st floor of the south tower.

The USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced images which showed dense thermal hot spots days and weeks after the attacks. ABC News reported that, "the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."

The public release of Professor Jones' scientific analysis is imminent - watch this space for the story as soon as it breaks.






YouTube: More with Stephen Jones on the thermite/thermate issue (Click Here)

WHY WAS THERE DUST ALL OVER THE PLACE? (Click Here)
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that MSM allows [even crazier than no planes] (edited)
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 10:48:47 pm »
The witnesses:

http://youtu.be/vrXgLhkv21Y?t=1h59m39s

First reaction was controlled demolition:

#1. NBC anchor ''WTC collapse planned''
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=AD445D80C05B8CB6

#2. WTC 7 imploding - Dan Rather comments
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=E46395B5928352D3
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that MSM allows [even crazier than no planes] (edited)
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 12:05:02 am »
The witnesses:

Fabled Enemies Extra: WTC Eyewitness Barry Jennings

Alex Jones Tv:"Mysterious Death of Barry Jennings"


These guys know they are caught and instead of trolling BS on the internet like they did with no planes, now they are going right to the MSM with their zionuke jesuit grey aliens from xenu crapola. Are these Bilderbeg morons even trying any more?

Oh man, what the f*ck, this is beyond the thermal expansion garbage.

Notice how the article keeps World Trade Center Building 7's collapse out of sight and out of mind.

See no building 7, hear no building 7, think no building 7.






And I made all these posts in response to those lying desperate bastards.

They're not talking about REAL issues, so we have to do it FOR THEM.


...They needed towers 1 and 2 to fall as an EXCUSE and JUSTIFICATION for building's 7 so-called "Collapse".

WHO THE HELL KNOWS WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE WAS DESTROYED IN BUILDING 7's CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

9/11 was a black op. 9/11 was an inside job. 9/11 was carried out by criminal elements within the government and the military.



9/11 was the big "event" that Nick Rockefeller was talking about.



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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2011, 02:02:32 am »
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2011, 02:34:40 am »
ROFL...

I think SupremeMaster has effectively demolished the lamer propaganda theory..


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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2011, 05:05:25 am »
So every plane crash is a ticking time bomb if it starts raining?

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Re: New theory about 9/11 that MSM allows [even crazier than no planes] (edited)
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2011, 07:03:03 am »
First reaction was controlled demolition:

#1. NBC anchor ''WTC collapse planned''
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=AD445D80C05B8CB6

#2. WTC 7 imploding - Dan Rather comments
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=E46395B5928352D3

Working links:

#1. NBC anchor ''WTC collapse planned''
http://americatube.com/video/1933/1-NBC-anchor-WTC-collapse-planned

#2. WTC 7 imploding - Dan Rather comments
http://americatube.com/video/1934/2-WTC-7-imploding--Dan-Rather-comments


~Sorry, I just realized that those 2 videos I uploaded to clipshack weren't approved yet, so here are 2 working links.

WHY WAS THERE DUST ALL OVER THE PLACE? (Click Here)

And here is a new higher quality link to 9/11 Mysteries: It automatically skips to the part where the dust on the inside of the towers is talked about by a witness who had to personally clean it up:


http://youtu.be/mZgTwBS6ziM?t=1h23m34s
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 08:44:25 am »
This thread demolishes this crazy theory. Well done!
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 12:17:59 pm »
Here's how molten aluminum reacts with water. Note that NO explosion takes place when they react.

Molten aluminum into cold water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJzDYsQfck

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Experiment to see what a couple pounds of molten aluminum in a steel crucible would do as it is dumped into 5 gallons of cold water.



CHEMICAL REACTIONS OF THE PERIOD 3 ELEMENTS
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/period3/elementsreact.html

"Aluminium

Aluminium powder heated in steam produces hydrogen and aluminium oxide. The reaction is relatively slow because of the existing strong aluminium oxide layer on the metal, and the build-up of even more oxide during the reaction."



Three Hydrogen Myths
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Myth #3 Hydrogen is just too dangerous.

Fact:
The hydrogen industry has an enviable safety record spanning more than a half-century. Any fuel is hazardous and needs due care, but hydrogen's hazards are different and generally more tractable than those of hydrocarbon fuels. In the vast majority of cases, leaking hydrogen, if lit, will burn but not explode. And in the rare cases where it might explode, its theoretical explosive power per unit volume of gas is 22 times weaker than that of gasoline vapor. It is not, as has been claimed, "essentially a liquid or gaseous form of dynamite."

Hydrogen is four times more diffusive than natural gas or 12 times more than gasoline fumes, so leaking hydrogen rapidly disperses up and away from its source. If ignited, hydrogen burns rapidly with a non-luminous flame that can't readily scorch you at a distance, emitting only one-tenth the radiant heat of a hydrocarbon fire and burning 7% cooler than gasoline. Although firefighters dislike hydrogen's clear flame because they need a viewing device to see it in daylight, victims generally aren't burned unless they're actually in the flame, nor are they choked by smoke.

One videotaped test of a standard passenger car compared a hydrogen leak with a gasoline leak. In the first test, a hydrogen leak was created, assuming a very unlikely triple failure of redundant protective devices. The leak discharged the entire 1.54-kg hydrogen inventory of the fuel-cell car, but the resulting vertical flame plume raised the car's interior temperature by 1-2C° (0.6-1.1 F°). The passenger compartment was unharmed. In the second part of the test, gasoline leaked from a 1.6-mm (1/16") hole in the fuel line. The resulting explosion gutted the car's interior and would have killed anyone trapped inside. Because the hydrogen-leak test didn't damage the car, the gasoline part of the test was conducted using the same car. Had the gasoline portion of test been done first, a second car would have been required for the hydrogen leak test.

Contrary to a popular misunderstanding, these safety attributes of hydrogen actually helped save 62 lives in the 1937 Hindenburg disaster. An investigation by NASA scientist Dr. Addison Bain found that the disaster would have been essentially unchanged even if the dirigible were lifted not by hydrogen but by nonflammable helium, and that probably nobody aboard was killed by a hydrogen fire. (There was no explosion.) The 35% who died were killed by jumping out, or by the burning diesel oil, canopy, and debris (the cloth canopy was coated with the primary chemical components of rocket fuel which ignited due to discharge of static electricity when the dirigible docked). The other 65% survived, riding the flaming dirigible to earth as the clear hydrogen flames swirled harmlessly above them.



Here's a great response to the impossibility of this BS scenario taking place:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/135372

The reaction he is talking about is one in which hot aluminum will "steal" oxygen from water, leaving hydrogen gas. There are two problems with this theory, of course.

The first is the hydrogen gas is very light and floats upward even faster than helium. The ruins of the World Trade Towers were "porous" and as the smoke trails prove, there was a strong wind from the side. This means that hydrogen could not collect together anywhere in any amounts enough to cause an explosion, certainly not down in the basements, where some explosions were reported.

Second, even under the most ideal of circumstances of perfect mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, impossible in the natural atmosphere and under those conditions, hydrogen may burn fast but does not detonate. Recall the destruction of the Hindenburg. Huge fire, no "bang."

So this latest official "explanation" is a desperate attempt to reconcile eyewitness reports and video recordings of explosions (like the one that initiates the collapse of building 7) with the rapidly collapsing official story.


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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 02:38:41 pm »
It's not as bad as debunker Frank Greening's intelligent thermite theory lol.

In an attempt to reconcile the thermite evidence with the official story, debunker Frank Greening once proposed that aluminium from the planes reacted with rust on the steel structures, "inducing violent thermite explosions", and that this "repeated in a rapidly accelerating, and increasingly violent cascade of destruction", resulting in the global collapse of the towers. In other words, he proposed that the twin towers were destroyed by thermite ... naturally!

In 2006, Gordon Ross responded to Greening's thesis in a hilarious essay entitled Sorry Dr. Greening et al ...

Dr. Greening is, I believe, a chemist so it is only fair to look at this field of study first of all. One of his most well known arguments is that there could have been natural thermite reactions within the tower fires. He lists those ingredients which are necessary for this natural thermite and shows that all of these ingredients were present, so his argument follows that a natural thermite reaction could have taken place. Now I will never claim to be good at chemistry but I know that if I leave margarine, flour, sugar and fruit in a cupboard, when I next open the cupboard I will not find a fruit crumble. Some mechanism is required to convert the ingredients. Similarly, if I take these same ingredients, set them alight and throw them out the window, I still will not get my fruit crumble. The mechanism must have some order. Dr. Greening fails to provide any explanation or narrative for these required mechanisms but rather relies on simply ticking off the ingredients and falling back on the unfailing support of his accolytes. It came as an enormous surprise to me that some educated people have been taken in by this, most notably and recently was Manuel Garcia, in his Counterpunch article. What we are being asked to swallow in place of our absent fruit crumble, is that the tonnes of aluminium aircraft parts were powderised upon impact, thoroughly mixed with tonnes of rust from the towers steel superstructure in exactly the required proportion to form tonnes of thermite, which then hung around for about an hour before distributing itself to key structural points throughout the tower, then igniting in a complex sequence to cause the towers' collapse. It is granted that a good imagination is a requirement for a good scientist, but this just abuses the privilege. Perhaps the name for this natural thermite should instead be intelligent thermite, or intelligent malevolent thermite.

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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2011, 09:29:26 am »
Free energy weapons did it. ;D

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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2011, 08:58:29 am »
Questioning the mechanics of a few planes hitting some buildings is not the right question.

The correct question is WHY planes hit these buildings in the first place and to keep asking that question until the layers of reasons and justifications are peeled away leaving the light of cognizance brightly lit.

Those World Trade Center buildings were perfectly usable buildings, functioning in their capacity as buildings. It is not reasonable to build all buildings to withstand airliner strikes.

No my friends, the answers do not lie in arguments over mechanics of a building falling down as a result of an airliner strike, they lie in the real WHY for them being hit in the first place.

Y-E-S!!! Thank-you johnm! Just another diversion!

MY REPLY:

If towers 1 and 2 did not fall, then people would be outraged over building 7′s sudden controlled demolition.

They needed both towers 1 and 2 to fall in order to CLAIM that the debris from 1 and 2 was the *true* cause of building 7′s destruction.

Tower 7 housed:

•The Department of Defense (DoD)

•Internal Revenue Services (IRS)

•The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)

•The largest Secret Service office in the world

•The largest Central Intelligence Agency office outside of Virginia (CIA)

•New York’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM)

What evidence or documents were destroyed in Tower 7′s controlled demolition?
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Re: New theory about 9/11 that the MSM allows [even crazier than no planes]
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2011, 11:29:07 am »
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ARGH!! Not again! >:(
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