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Offline Dogwood

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I would like to pose this question in that along with the many laws that are enacted to date, many without the average citizen's awareness, that the Supremacy Clause has much to do with the Federal Government's ability to hide conspiracies and any individual State's movement(s) to investigate anything the populace, States, deem worthy of an investigation? Having said this, trying to force the Feds into admitting anything surreptitious as 9-11 is concerned, for example, leaves any grassroots movement without much power to acquire the truth, no matter how funded and politically-backed an inquisition it may be.

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Re:The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2011, 10:48:03 pm »
The "Supremacy" Clause, so called, at Article VI clause 2, reads...

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which
shall be made in pursuance thereof
; and all treaties made,
or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States,
shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every
state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws
of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

This Clause as has been falsely interpreted and misused by the usurping feds, ignoring the limits set by the enabling action of the bolded, italicized, and underlined portion of the clause as shown above. They have taken this clause and the whole Constitution as their own to manipulate within the federal framework for federal benefit alone.  This is clear, when you look at who's power is enhanced and who's is diminished by the last 13 Amendments. The Constitution is actually a contract between the people of each state, through their states. It is within the Constitution that the federal government is created, not the other way around. The federal government did not create the Constitution... the people and the states created the federal government by a contract they all signed called the Constitution.

With that said, the first lines of this clause set direct constitutional limits on the authority of "the feds" to only that granted by the Constitution itself... If it were otherwise, if this clause were wrongly interpreted as Jefferson warned, it would give the general government law and treaty making power that would be boundless, at which point we would essentially have no Constitution. This restriction on so-called federal supremacy, is actually Constitution Supremacy and subordinates the feds to the Constitution in all cases whatsoever.

All federal laws and amendments which grant power to the federal agent at the expense of the people and the states at the expense of liberty, are usurpation and have been growing steadily since Lincoln's assassination. These have all been given a "Color of Legitimacy" by the purposeful misinterpretation of this clause, blurring the true meaning and intent of the Constitution.

Any grass roots movement from any state or group of states with this understanding, along with the founders original intent in hand in the form of 9th and 10th Amendment resolve, and a large number of folks to help force it, can get virtually anything done in this country... Less than 5% with arms freed us from the tyranny of the European banker's crown in 1776... The Constitution gives us the tools and the precedent to do the same NOW without the gunpowder... We even have the Constitutional courts still in tact to prosecute the traitors... Only Our 10th Amendment Resolve Will Defeat The New World Order!

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Re:The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 03:28:36 am »
The "Supremacy" Clause, so called, at Article VI clause 2, reads...

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which
shall be made in pursuance thereof
; and all treaties made,
or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States,
shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every
state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws
of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

This Clause has been falsely interpreted and misused by the usurping feds,

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Oldyoti

"Do not separate text from historical background.
If you do, you will have perverted and subverted
the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted,
bastardized form of illegitimate government."

~James Madison
 

Alright, without getting too grammatically technical, let's look closely at Article VI clause 2 of the Constitution, the "Supremacy" clause. Let's look at exactly how it is constructed. Does it really extend the scope of the federal agent with extra constitutional power? Or, does it work to hold the federal power within set guidelines when enacting and implementing federal laws and treaties. What would be considered their lawful power and jurisdiction under the "supreme law of the land." Also, what state laws and or state constitutional provisions must be conceded to the federal agent by the states under the Constitution.

As we'll see, this clause confers no extra constitutional power to the federal agent whatsoever. It begins with the words "This Constitution," which is the primary subject in this heavily modified compound conjunctive phrase. the words,"This Constitution," are primary because they're placed first and foremost in the sentence, then directly separated from the rest of the compound subject by a comma prior to the conjunction 'and'.  The first portion of the subject phrase, "and the laws of the United States"... is then modified, referring it back to the primary subject for substantiation in the words, "which shall be made in pursuance thereof;" This means that the laws of the United States shall be created only within the Constitutional Authority granted to the United States by the Constitution itself.

This fact is seen clearly in the 10th Amendment which directly sets federal limits from the standpoint of the states. It is alluded to in the 9th Amendment which limits both the federal and state governments subject to the people. These amendments are part and parcel of the unanimously ratified, original December 15, 1791 Constitution for the United states of America.

Now that constitutional origin is established which defines the parameters of federal authority for the United States, the third item in this compound subject is introduced, "and all treaties made, or which shall be made, Yet this exclusive federal "treaty power" is contingent on guidelines constitutionally established, "under the authority of the United States,". Thus, all treaties, as established in Article I section 8, must be in complete accord with "This Constitution, which is the power which delegates this federal authority.  An aside here; the federal creation and use of the fraudulent 14th Amendment is a complete abrogation of this clause and undermines the Constitution at it's core, the abusive result of this amendment alone would fill volumes... but I digress.

With the Constitution itself limiting federal authority and legislative powers of the United States firmly established in the subject of the clause, we arrive at the verb, "shall be" followed by the compound predicate, "the supreme law of the land;" ...which itself modified to explain the limits that the states must observe in their courts, constitutions, and laws as a result of this new federal power, with the words... "and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Essentially, this clause not only delineates the limits of federal law making, it also informs the states that the powers so granted the federal government are powers that the state may no longer assume. Yet the states have the power to nullify, through 10th Amendment power any amendment, law, or treaty that attempts to extend federal power, or are beyond it's constitutional parameters. Using the 9th and 10th Amendments, together the states may re-assume all federal power in cases of obvious federal tyranny. Weather by stealthy subterfuge, and provocateured crisis, a federal power grab  to gain unconstitutional control of the states or the people, for whatever reason... or through open unconstitutional government insurrection leading to the invasion of the states and subjugation of the people, through direct action and at the behest of the government... I ask you, are we not there already..? Again I digress

Nevertheless, most modern federal law and every constitutional amendment granting extra constitutional federal power since 1865, fall outside the authority granted the federal government by the Constitution, and is far in excess of the lawful parameters as expressed by this clause, to enact. In affect we are in the midst of an unconstitutional federal Tyranny that has been ramping up for the last 150 years.

Many, who become aware of this, sink their heads further and deeper into the lulling sands of multi-media driven death just hoping it will just go away. It won't! Yet others will grab the knowledge, research it further and make it their own spreading the word, knowing that true freedom requires the whole people to awaken. In so doing we win by making a solid knowledgeable stand for Liberty!

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Re:The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 01:24:46 pm »
I would like to pose this question in that along with the many laws that are enacted to date, many without the average citizen's awareness, that the Supremacy Clause has much to do with the Federal Government's ability to hide conspiracies and any individual State's movement(s) to investigate anything the populace, States, deem worthy of an investigation? Having said this, trying to force the Feds into admitting anything surreptitious as 9-11 is concerned, for example, leaves any grassroots movement without much power to acquire the truth, no matter how funded and politically-backed an inquisition it may be.

With all of that said... No it gives the fed no special power, they have reinterpreted it in such a way that folks think it grants Constitution killing unlawful power. The feds have been engaged in a very stealthy take over of not only the government, but through the government operated schools, the deconstruction of the language and the minds of the many... at least 5 generations of Americans have been subjected to it, and millions immigrants unknowingly have been naturalized into their tyranny.

This can only be described as a huge overarching long term conspiracy to turn the entire world into a "Prison Planet" under the absolute control of a small group of inbred families who's psychotic hedonist philosophy is openly psychopathicand sociopathic, with a huge portion of megalomania thrown in for good measure...

911 is just one small blip on the enormous centuries long radar screen of this conspiracy... it is huge! Waking up a large number the domesticated masses, and keeping what is left of the countries and peoples that are free of the global banking tentacles, is our only hope... To this end, we here are committed, this is what we do... Our federal government is only one, albeit the largest, of the many puppets enslaved to this multi-generational "None Dare Call it Conspiracy"...

Sorry I couldn't report more progress...

JTCoyoté

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"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origins in North America,
shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will
furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without
debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will
become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The
brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country
must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

~The Times of London [1862]

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Re:The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2011, 01:16:49 am »
The "Supremacy" Clause, so called, at Article VI clause 2, reads...
. Less than 5% with arms freed us from the tyranny of the European banker's crown in 1776... The Constitution gives us the tools and the precedent to do the same NOW without the gunpowder... We even have the Constitutional courts still in tact to prosecute the traitors... Only Our 10th Amendment Resolve Will Defeat The New World Order!

Oldyoti


Good point. Let's hope words and rule of law make a dent.

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Re:The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 03:27:04 pm »

Good point. Let's hope words and rule of law make a dent.

Let's hope so... yet it is up to us how this plays out, the bottom line is written by the people in all cases whatsoever.  If we let our "Representatives" and other government "officials," continue to bend, dissemble, deconstruct, and otherwise abuse the Law of the Land to our detriment, like we have in the past, then we will not only be bound into the slavery the founders warned of, it will be what we deserve for our apathy and political laziness.

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be permanently a free people."

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Re: The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 03:13:32 am »
And, as to the federal government blocking a grass roots initiated state investigation of a federal, state or private activity... all that is needed is proof of probable cause...

"The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to
extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted
against one of the United States by Citizens of another State,
or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State."
~11th Amendment

The 11th Amendment was enacted to circumvent any possible misconstruction of article VI and does so clearly... Thus avoiding the same misconstruction we see all to often being mouthed by the feds-- Madison addressed it correctly in his 1796 quote below...

I think Obama and Company are hoping that no one pays any attention to the 11th Amendment.  

Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton all chimed in on the subject...

"The term supreme, as applied to Treaties, evidently
 meant a supremacy over the State Constitutions and laws, and not over the
 Constitution & laws of the U States And it was observable that the Judicial
 authority & the existing laws, alone of the States, fell within the supremacy
 expressly enjoined. The injunction was not extended to the Legislative authority
 of the States or to laws requisite to be passed by the States, for giving effect
 to Treaties, and it might be a problem worthy of the consideration, though not
 needing the decision of the Committee, in what manner the requisite provisions
 were to be obtained from the States."

~James Madison.
His speech in Congress on the Jay Treaty, March 10, 1796


"By the general power to make treaties, the Constitution must have intended
to comprehend only those objects which are usually regulated by treaty, and
cannot be otherwise regulated.... It must have meant to except out of those
the rights reserved to the states; for surely the President and Senate cannot
do by treaty what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way."

~Thomas Jefferson


"The only constitutional exception to the power of making
treaties is, that it shall not change the Constitution.... On
natural principles, a treaty, which should manifestly betray
or sacrifice primary interests of the state, would be null."

~ Alexander Hamilton


"I do not conceive that power is given to the President and the Senate to
dismember the empire, or alienate any great, essential right. I do not think
the whole legislative authority have this power. The exercise of the power
must be consistent with the object of the delegation."

~James Madison




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Re: The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 08:21:48 am »
"I do not conceive that power is given to the President and the Senate to
dismember the empire, or alienate any great, essential right. I do not think
the whole legislative authority have this power. The exercise of the power
must be consistent with the object of the delegation."
~James Madison

I guess ol' James would be shocked if he were alive to see 2011.

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Re: The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 10:18:45 pm »
"I do not conceive that power is given to the President and the Senate to
dismember the empire, or alienate any great, essential right. I do not think
the whole legislative authority have this power. The exercise of the power
must be consistent with the object of the delegation."
~James Madison

I guess ol' James would be shocked if he were alive to see 2011.

Quite the understatement, really. The founders of true liberty's first chance in the world in almost 5000 years of recorded history, which has now become so perverted as to have morphed into the very engine of eugenic tyranny -- doubtless has the Founding Fathers, every one of them spinning in their caskets at 3000 rpms and accelerating.

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Re: The Supremacy Clause... what's it's real power, is it to "cover-up?"
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2011, 07:28:05 am »
Yes tongue in cheek was more of the implication. It does look dire and a nightmare that you can't wake up from as one would like. Wonder if this is a natural progression for civilizations. To read histories of other civilizations on other planets and see if they went this route before enlightenment. Whatever, its hell for us now. And the signs all point to the bitter truth.