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Kudankulam reactor designers among those killed in sabotage of Russian plane
http://www.thehindu.com/news/article2122584.ece
Vladimir Radyuhin

A Russian airliner crashed in heavy fog and burst into flames just short of a runway in northwestern Russia, killing 44 people, officials said.  Russian designers of the Kudankulam nuclear reactors died in an aircrash in northern Russia that killed 44 people. Eight people survived the crash.  The Tu-134 airliner on a flight from Moscow crash landed in thick fog on a highway less than a km short of the runway at its destination, Petrozavodsk, in Russia’s Republic of Karelia, minutes before midnight on Monday. The aircraft veered from the highway towards a nearby forest breaking into several parts and bursting into flames.

The plane was carrying 52 people, nine of whom were crew members. The eight survivors included a nine-year-old boy, his teenage sister and their mother.  Three top officials of Russia’s main nuclear reactor design company, Gidropress, were killed in the aircrash along with two other senior nuclear engineers. Gidropress CEO and Designer General Sergei Ryzhov, Deputy CEO and Chief Designer Gennady Banyuk and Chief Designer Nikolai Trunov were all involved in designing two VVER-1000 (Version V-412) nuclear reactors for the the first stage of the Kudankulam power project in Tamilnadu. Another four reactors of this type are to be built at Kudankulam under second and third stages of the plant’s expansion.

Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said that pilot error was the likely cause of the Tu-134 crash, which reminded him of the catastrophe of Polish President Lech Kaczynski’s plane, Tu-154, near the Russian city of Smolensk in April 2010, in which 96 people died. The Polish aircraft also crashed short of the runway as it tried to land in bad weather. Investigation blamed the crash on pilots who rejected ground control advice to divert to another airport. A traffic controller at the Petrozavodsk airport, Sergei Shmatkov, also said the pilot of the Tu-134 turned down his suggestion to circle again.  The Tu-134's black boxes have been recovered and were in good shape, officials said.
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Nuclear experts killed in Russia plane crash helped design Iran facility
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 11:58:34 am »
Nuclear experts killed in Russia plane crash helped design Iran facility

The five Russian scientists were among 44 killed earlier this week; no official investigation of foul play has been opened, though Iranian nuclear experts have in the past been involved in similar accidents.

from here:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/nuclear-experts-killed-in-russia-plane-crash-helped-design-iran-facility-1.369226

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Oh no, no foul play--whatsoever!  ::) Of course, that is coming from Haaretz to point that out.
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Plane crash kills 5 Nuclear Experts
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 07:26:13 pm »
Nuclear experts killed in Russia plane crash helped design Iran facility

The five Russian scientists were among 44 killed earlier this week; no official investigation of foul play has been opened, though Iranian nuclear experts have in the past been involved in similar accidents.

By Amir Oren

The five nuclear experts killed in a plane crash in northern Russia earlier this week had assisted in the design of an Iranian atomic facility, security sources in Russia said on Thursday.

The five Russian experts were among the 44 passengers killed when the Tupolev-134 plane broke up and caught fire on landing outside the northern city of Petrozavodsk on Monday.

The experts - who included lead designers Sergei Rizhov, Gennadi Benyok, Nicolai Tronov and Russia's top nuclear technological experts, Andrei Tropinov - worked at Bushehr after the contract for the plant's construction passed from the German Siemens company to Russian hands.

The five were employed at the Hydropress factory, a member of Russia's state nuclear corporation, and one of the main companies to contract for the Bushehr construction.

The sources said that the death of the scientists is a great blow to the Russian nuclear industry.

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/nuclear-experts-killed-in-russia-plane-crash-helped-design-iran-facility-1.369226

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Looks like their jobs were done and someone wanted to make sure they'd be taking the knowledge of their work to the grave. Classic.

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Kudankulam reactor designers among those killed in sabotage of Russian plane
http://www.thehindu.com/news/article2122584.ece
Vladimir Radyuhin

A Russian airliner crashed in heavy fog and burst into flames just short of a runway in northwestern Russia, killing 44 people, officials said.  Russian designers of the Kudankulam nuclear reactors died in an aircrash in northern Russia that killed 44 people. Eight people survived the crash.  The Tu-134 airliner on a flight from Moscow crash landed in thick fog on a highway less than a km short of the runway at its destination, Petrozavodsk, in Russia’s Republic of Karelia, minutes before midnight on Monday. The aircraft veered from the highway towards a nearby forest breaking into several parts and bursting into flames.

The plane was carrying 52 people, nine of whom were crew members. The eight survivors included a nine-year-old boy, his teenage sister and their mother.  Three top officials of Russia’s main nuclear reactor design company, Gidropress, were killed in the aircrash along with two other senior nuclear engineers. Gidropress CEO and Designer General Sergei Ryzhov, Deputy CEO and Chief Designer Gennady Banyuk and Chief Designer Nikolai Trunov were all involved in designing two VVER-1000 (Version V-412) nuclear reactors for the the first stage of the Kudankulam power project in Tamilnadu. Another four reactors of this type are to be built at Kudankulam under second and third stages of the plant’s expansion.

Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said that pilot error was the likely cause of the Tu-134 crash, which reminded him of the catastrophe of Polish President Lech Kaczynski’s plane, Tu-154, near the Russian city of Smolensk in April 2010, in which 96 people died. The Polish aircraft also crashed short of the runway as it tried to land in bad weather. Investigation blamed the crash on pilots who rejected ground control advice to divert to another airport. A traffic controller at the Petrozavodsk airport, Sergei Shmatkov, also said the pilot of the Tu-134 turned down his suggestion to circle again.  The Tu-134's black boxes have been recovered and were in good shape, officials said.
Excerpts taken from Dr. John Coleman's book:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_committee300_01.htm#Section_2_

5) An end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call “the post-industrial zero-growth society.” Exempted are the computer and service industries. United States industries that remain will be exported to countries such as Mexico where abundant slave labor is available. Unemployables in the wake of industrial destruction will either become opium-heroin and or cocaine addicts, or become statistics in the elimination process we know today as  Global 2000 Report.

( 8 ) Suppression of all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Committee. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

 According to Von Hayek, the United States economic platform must be based on,

        (a) Urban Black Markets
        (b) Small Hong Kong-type industries utilizing sweat-shop labor
        (c) The Tourist Trade
        (d) Free Enterprise Zones where speculators can operate unhindered and where the drug trade can flourish
        (e) End of all industrial activity
        (f) Close down all nuclear energy plants

Mexico received most of its nuclear power technology from Argentina, but the Malvinas War put an end to that. The Club of Rome decreed back in 1986 that it would stop exports of nuclear technology to developing countries. With nuclear power stations generating abundant cheap electricity, Mexico would have be-come the “Germany of Latin America.” Such a state of affairs would have been a disaster for the conspirators who have, by 1991, stopped all exports of nuclear technology except that destined for Israel.

Senator Claiborne Pell is its leader, and one of its members is Frank M. Potter, a one-time staff director of the House Sub-committee on Energy. It is not difficult to see how the Club of Rome has maintained its grip on U.S. energy policies and where “environmentalist” opposition to nuclear energy is coming from. Perhaps the Club’s greatest success story is its hold over Congress in regard to nuclear energy which has had the effect of preventing the U.S. from entering the 21st century as a strong industrial nation.

The effect of the anti-nuclear policy of the Club of Rome can be measured in terms of silent blast furnaces. derelict railroad yards, rusting steel mills, shipyards long since closed down and a valuable trained work force scattered across the United States, which may never again be assembled. Other Club of Rome members in the U.S. are Walter A.Hahn of the Congressional Research Service, Ann Cheatham and Douglas Ross, both senior economists.

Ross’s task, in his own words, was to “translate Club of Rome perspectives into legislation to help the country get away from the illusion of plenty. “ Ann Cheatham was the director of an organization called “Congressional Clearing House For The Future.”

According to written testimony by Bhutto, smuggled out of the country while he was in prison, Kissinger severely threatened him: “I will make a horrible example if you continue with your nation-building policies.” Bhutto had fallen afoul of Kissinger and the Club of Rome by calling for a nuclear energy program to bring Pakistan into a modern industrialized state which, in the eyes of the Committee of 300, was a direct contravention of its orders delivered by Kissinger to the Pakistani government. What Kissinger was doing when he threatened Bhutto was not official U.S. policy, but the policy of the modern-day Illuminati.

One needs to have a clear understanding of just why it is that nuclear power is so hated all over the world, and why the fake “environmentalist” movement, established and financially sup-ported by the Club of Rome, was called upon to wage war on nuclear energy. With nuclear energy generating electricity in cheap and abundant supplies, Third World countries would gradually become independent of U.S. foreign aid and begin to assert their sovereignty. Nuclear generated electricity is THE key to bringing Third World countries out of their backward state, a state which the Committee of 300 has ordered to remain in position.

Less foreign aid means less control of a country’s natural resources by the I.M.F. It was this idea of developing nations taking charge of their destiny that was an anathema to the Club of Rome and its ruling Committee of 300. We have seen opposition to nuclear power in the United States successfully used to block industrial development in conformity with the Club’s “Post-Industrial Zero-Growth” plans.

Dependence upon U.S. foreign aid actually keeps foreign countries in servitude to the Council on Foreign Relations.


The following is extracted from Dr. Peccei’s book, “Human Quality”:

    “For the first time since the first millennium was approached in Christendom, large masses of people are really in suspense about the impending advent of some-thing unknown which could change their collective fate entirely.... Man does not know how to be a truly modern man.... Man invented the story of the Bad Dragon, but if ever there was a bad dragon, IT IS MAN HIMSELF.... Here we have the human paradox: man trapped by his extraordinary capacity and achievements, as in a quick-sand - the more he uses his power the more he needs it.

    “We must never tire of repeating how foolish it is to equate the present profound pathological state and mal-adjustment of the entire human system to any cyclic crisis or passing circumstances. Since man has opened Pandora’s Box of new technologies, he has suffered uncontrolled human proliferation, the mania for growth, energy crises, actual or potential resource scarcities, degradation of environment, nuclear folly and a host of related afflictions.”

This is identical to the program adopted by the much later fake “environmentalist” movement spawned by the same Club of Rome to blunt and turn back industrial development.

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Looks like their jobs were done and someone wanted to make sure they'd be taking the knowledge of their work to the grave. Classic.

yes looks like a "James Bond Movie Scenario"  :o


November 2009
UN Nuclear Scientist, Latest Victim of ‘Suicide’, Plunges from 17th Floor
http://www.truthistreason.net/un-nuclear-scientist-latest-victim-of-suicide-plunges-from-17th-floor

February 2010
Missing nuclear scientist dead
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/48657-missing-indian-nuclear-scientist-dead.html

June 2010
Melbourne nuclear scientist found dead
http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/melbourne-nuclear-scientist-found-dead/xplrevn

November 2010
Iranian nuclear scientist killed in motorbike attack
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11860928


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'Everything was on fire': 44 killed in Russian jet crash
8 survivors reported including 10-year-old boy; 4 US citizens among the dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43472600/ns/world_news-europe/t/everything-was-fire-killed-russian-jet-crash/

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia  — An airliner crashed in heavy fog and burst into flames about a mile short of a runway in northwestern Russia, killing 44 people, officials said. Eight survivors were dragged from the burning wreckage by locals.

The Tupolev 134 plane, belonging to the RusAir airline, was en route from Moscow to the city of Petrozavodsk, Emergencies Ministry spokeswoman Oksana Semyonova said.

The plane's approach was too low, so it clipped a tree and then hit a high-power line — causing Besovets airport's runway lights to go off for 10 seconds — before slamming into the ground, said Sergei Izvolsky, a spokesman for the Russian air transport agency.

"Everything was on fire," a witness who declined to give his name told a television crew.

The emergencies ministry said 44 people were killed, including four with dual U.S. and Russian citizenship. Russian news agencies said Russian Premier League soccer referee Vladimir Pettay and a Swedish citizen were also among the victims.

Eight survivors, including a 10-year-old boy and a female flight attendant, were hospitalized.

The federal air transport agency chief, Alexander Neradko, said that preliminary information indicated the plane appeared to be intact when hit a 49-foot pine tree. "There is no sign of a fire or explosion on board the plane before the impact," he said.

Pilot error was the most likely cause, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said Tuesday.

Low visibility
Sergei Shmatkov, an air traffic controller who oversaw the plane's approach, was quoted by the lifenews.ru website as saying the visibility near the airport was close to the minimum admissible level at the time of the crash, but the pilot still decided to land.

"The crew continued their descent at a moment when they already should have begun a second run," he was quoted as saying.

Shmatkov said he ordered the crew to abort the landing the moment the runway lights went off, but it already was too late.

A video made by a witness on her cell phone showed flames soaring from the wreckage into the night sky and the plane's wheels lying upside down by the roadside.

"I managed to take a woman or a girl out of there, she was light," www.lifenews.ruquoted one witness as saying. He said he and his father had removed several more people before the plane blew up.

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Black box recorders found
The Karelia branch of the Emergencies Ministry said radio contact with the pilot was lost at 11:40 p.m. local time (3:40 p.m. ET). The black box flight data recorders have been recovered, the news agencies said.

The accident occurred on the eve of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's planned appearance Tuesday at the Paris Air Show to support dozens of Russian firms seeking sales contracts.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who has swapped his Tupolev for a French-made executive jet, in April criticized flaws in domestically-built planes and the nation's poor safety record.

Russia and the other former Soviet republics have some of the world's worst air traffic safety records, according to the International Air Transport Association.

Experts blame weak government controls, poor pilot training and a cost-cutting mentality for the poor safety record, leading to emergency landings being reported with alarming regularity.

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44 killed in Russian plane crash, 8 survivors
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/44-killed-in-Russian-plane-crash--8-survivors_9057826
Friday, June 24, 2011

ST PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — A Russian passenger jet crashed in heavy fog and burst into flames on a highway in northwestern Russia, killing 44 people, officials said. Eight people survived.

The Tu-134 plane, belonging to the RusAir airline, had taken off from Moscow and was moments from landing at the airport of Petrozavodsk when it slammed into the highway just before midnight Monday, Emergencies Ministry spokeswoman Oksana Semyonova told The Associated Press.

The ministry said in a statement on its website that 44 people were killed, including four with dual US and Russian citizenship. Eight survivors, including a mother and her sons, nine and 14 were hospitalised in critical condition in Petrozavodsk.

The ministry said the crash happened just outside a small village, but no casualties were reported on the ground.

Petrozavodsk is in Karelia province, near the Finnish border, about 400 miles northwest of Moscow.

Russia's top investigative agency said bad weather, human error or a technical malfunction might have contributed to the crash.

Adding to the difficulty of landing the plane in deep fog, the runway's high-intensity illumination intended to help the crew at times of low visibility failed just as the plane was on its final approach, said Alexei Morozov, deputy head of the Interstate Aviation Committee, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.

The airport's chief, Alexei Kuzmitsky told the Interfax news agency that according to preliminary information, the descending plane clipped a power line, cutting off the runway lights.

RusAir said the plane was in good working order.

The Tu-134, along with its larger sibling the Tu-154, has been the workhorse of Soviet and Russian civil aviation since the 1960s. The model that crashed was built in 1980, had a capacity of 68 people and a range of about 1,240 miles.


Magomed Tolboyev, a highly decorated veteran Russian test pilot, said that the Tu-134, while outdated, has a good reputation for its reliability and that human error was the most likely cause. "The human factor is always key, especially now when the level of crew training is very low and not controlled by the government," Tolboyev said, according to Interfax.

Russian television stations broadcast footage of charred plane fragments strewn around the highway, less than one kilometre (about half a mile) short of the runway. Landing gear jutting out from the ground was the only recognisable plane part.

The state news network Rossia-24 broadcast footage of a woman showing a video she shot on her phone of the plane burning on the highway. A nearby road sign indicating the way to the airport stood undamaged.

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Pilot error was the most likely cause, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said Tuesday.

"The crew continued their descent at a moment when they already should have begun a second run," he was quoted as saying.

Shmatkov said he ordered the crew to abort the landing the moment the runway lights went off, but it already was too late.

The accident occurred on the eve of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's planned appearance Tuesday at the Paris Air Show to support dozens of Russian firms seeking sales contracts.

Russia's top investigative agency said bad weather, human error or a technical malfunction might have contributed to the crash.

RusAir said the plane was in good working order.

The Tu-134, along with its larger sibling the Tu-154, has been the workhorse of Soviet and Russian civil aviation since the 1960s. The model that crashed was built in 1980, had a capacity of 68 people and a range of about 1,240 miles.


Magomed Tolboyev, a highly decorated veteran Russian test pilot, said that the Tu-134, while outdated, has a good reputation for its reliability and that human error was the most likely cause. "The human factor is always key, especially now when the level of crew training is very low and not controlled by the government," Tolboyev said, according to Interfax.

I thought that this particular statement which you did not highlight was particularly and especially damning as all hell.  Anyone who doesn't realize this was a false flag after reading all this, is an abject f*cking idiot:

"Adding to the difficulty of landing the plane in deep fog, the runway's high-intensity illumination intended to help the crew at times of low visibility failed just as the plane was on its final approach, said Alexei Morozov, deputy head of the Interstate Aviation Committee, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.
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NWO used backdoored airspace architecture to crash Tu-154M like 9/11 FF

http://en.rian.ru/world/20100424/158727675.html

Russia, Poland seek clarification of reasons behind air crash that killed Kaczynski



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Russia and Poland are interested in clarifying the reasons behind the air crash that killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski, top officials from the two countries said Saturday.

The Tu-154 plane crashed on April 10 in western Russia, killing Poland's first couple and dozens of other top officials.

A Russian deputy prime minister, Sergei Ivanov, said at a meeting with Polish National Defense Minister Bogdan Klich that the data from flight recorders of the crashed plane will make it possible to rule out any unnecessary speculation on the issue.

The Polish delegation of top public figures was on its way to pay tribute to some 20,000 Polish officers executed by Soviet secret police in 1940, when their plane went down in thick fog killing all 96 people onboard.

Russian air traffic controllers earlier said the crew "did not listen" to recommendations to divert to another airport and landed without permission.

Poland's chief prosecutor Andrzej Seremet said earlier that Polish prosecutors would postpone revealing the black box contents until they obtain other necessary information from Russia. The final decision on whether to disclose flight details was expected in two weeks.

Klich urged investigators to speed up the probe into the deadly air crash.

"Clarification of the reasons for this tragedy is the most important task for the Polish and Russian governments. This is joint responsibility. We need to speed up work on it," he told journalists after the meeting with Ivanov.
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Now take a look at this incredible propaganda:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/02/27/212302/inadequate-training-led-crew-to-stall-pulkovo-jet.html

Inadequate training led crew to stall Pulkovo jet
By David Kaminski-Morrow


Poor handling of Tu-154 at high altitude cited by investigators probing August crash

Russian investigators have concluded that a lack of adequate training in handling the Tupolev Tu-154 at high altitudes and angles of attack led a Pulkovo Airlines crew to stall their aircraft and enter a fatal flat spin.

The aircraft, operating the domestic Anapa-St Petersburg route on 22 August last year, failed to recover from the spin and, at a high rate of descent, struck the ground near Donetsk in Ukraine.

All 170 passengers and crew on board the Tu-154M (RA-85185), were killed.

During the flight the tri-jet had climbed to high altitude near turbulent thunderstorm activity, and was subjected to pitch changes that took it beyond the stall limits.

Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK)
says the crew had not received sufficient training or simulation experience on the specific procedures, including use of the trim control, necessary to maintain longitudinal stability under these conditions.


"Absence of control over the airspeed and the non-compliance with flight operation instructions to prevent the aircraft's entry into a stall, with unsatisfactory crew intervention, made it impossible to avoid transition to a catastrophic situation," says MAK.

The organisation has made several recommendations to improve pilot training and has urged crews to take account of operational limitations when selecting a flightpath to negotiate storm cells.

During the inquiry MAK conducted simulations and test flights to examine the behaviour of Tu-154 aircraft at high angles of attack, in a bid to determine how the emergency developed. Investigators also closely studied previous similar accidents involving Tu-154s, including the loss of an Aeroflot flight in July 1985 over Uchkuduk in Uzbekistan.
St Petersburg-based Pulkovo Airlines has since merged with Russian government carrier Rossiya, under whose name the combined airlines operate.

Aeroflot intends to phase out its Tu-154s by 2010, having approved the withdrawal of all Tu-134s from its fleet this year. Aeroflot is planning to replace the Tu-154s and Tu-134s with Airbus A320-family aircraft and Sukhoi Superjet 100s it has on order.

The airline has been under pressure from SkyTeam to withdraw older jets. It will remove Tu-134s by 1 January 2008 and will withdraw the Tu-154s by the end of the decade. Aeroflot has had 14 76-seat Tu-134s in service for 40 years and its fleet includes 28 Tu-154s.
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The agenda was already exposed before:

Holy shit..Ptech runs the FAA when the air traffic controllers are not!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=126240.msg777180#msg777180

This is my take on the motive behind this.  I could dig around and provide back up for what I am about to say--I may do that later, as it would require a lot of work, and I have more than enough to do atm.  I will paste a chat log to illustrate my realization as to what was going on with this in real time (times blanked out as well as other party name).

[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: hmm
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: f**k
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: something just popped into my mind about this
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: what?
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: wow if I am right about what I now just thought of thsi is crazy
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: hmm ok.. wtf is it.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: this is the beginning of a very subtle conditioning process
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: ?
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: the conditioning is that pilots are unreliable
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: wow. "Asleep at the wheel" bs.. Plus luckee's post.. crazy pilot... hmm
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: THEY ARE MOVING TO SELL THE PUBLIC  ON OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCING THAT PASSENGER JETS WILL BE FLOWN AUTONOMOUSLY
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: BECAUSE HUMANS CANT MAINTAIN SITUATIONAL AWARENESS LIKE A COMPUTER CAN
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: I BET THATS IT
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: 'babysitter' pilots only? ... THAT MAKES SENSE shit.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: reasons?
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: control over skies (to the public.. cost cutting)?
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: To public: safety, cost cutting, reliability - no 'missed' flights...?
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: because the UAV's are already unmanned and they want to make them have a far greater prescence in the US.  Thats aprt of it but it is part of the world government air traffic control system that they want to shift to as part of their transformation into a wo0rld government--more efficiency, yes even the lower carbon footprint bullshit might fit into this  on a more minor level (less humans managing flights/flying) -- so they have to get the public used to seeing mroe and more shit being done autonomously.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: brb coffee
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: BUT...think about this... if they already have control of the planes (your reference to Josh).. then why take this next step - conditioning then 'officially' replace. They're already there, and have convenient patsies with human pilots...  (Shit.. you already answered this.)
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: thats it I can almost guarantee u I am right
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: That's absolutely plausible; it fits into their need to UAVs in the us for herding the sheep... attacking.. and all the green bs reasons..
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: how can you guarantee you're right?
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: You will see
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: you made a good point btw
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: The pilots are in effect playing the role as patsies, in what is what you could call a "mini-false flag" --not a terror based false flag, but a pure problem reaction solution -manufactured "mini-crisis"
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: see not all false flags have to be about terror
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: they can be just about getting solutions they want for anything
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: they decide if they want to use a terror component to it or not
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: depending on what they are trying to achieve, who the target audience is, etc
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: so I have to break this down lol,,, wtf it never ends
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: and this is  not even a high profile, really super dangerous false flag either
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: and it takes work to dissect shit like this even
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: theres documentation
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: that I will reference to support what im saying
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: that is already on this forum
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: that point, " it doesn't have to be terror" is a good one - hadn't thought of false flags as just a 'tool', not necessarily involving death.. only creating the problem.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: yup
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: so there are probably hundreds that go unnoticed.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: makes me think I need to read news reports differently than I have done.. the 'little articles may actually be the bigger stories
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: a good example is the 2003 blackout --it wasnt called a terror attack (IIRC they made it a point to mention that "we dont think this is terror related")  --whenever you see a false flag that the NWO says IS NOT terror related, it is a huge psyop of a different sort, because THEY still f**kign carried it out, so in effect it was "real" terrorism that they carried out, but tehre was no larger agenda that was needed to cram down the throats of the public, because they quietly implemented their solutions behind the scenes across the US in response to the 2003 blackout, and no one knew, except for a handful of people.  These types of false flags are intended to ahve their solutions aimed at forcing various industry types to comply with DHS/DoD mandates for "greater security" --all part of the slow takeover of the entire infrastructure, every aspect, no stone left unturned.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: wow.
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: they are very f**king slick bastards
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] anti_illuminati: yes
[10/23/2009 --:--:--] Xxxxxxxxxxx: that's intensely evil

That is exactly what it is.

They are having helicopters hitting planes, trains derailing because of text messeging.

THE AGENDA IS FOR HUMANS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION!

THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PLAN!

IT WAS LEAKED IN THE MOVIE OVER 25 YEARS AGO CALLED "WARGAMES"

THEY ARE NOW DOING IT FOR EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES!

THEY WANT NO HUMANS TO GET IN THE WAY!

THEY WANT NO HUMANS TO BE NEEDED TO BE AROUND IN CASE THEY FEEL LIKE EXPEDITING POP CONTROL INSANITY!

THEY WANT NO HUMANS PERIOD, EXCEPT AS OBEDIENT SLAVES!

Integrating genocide weapons into global airspace system for continuity of govt.
Notice a familiar name in this article?  Ahh, I thought you would.


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/30/219974/faa-reveals-first-cut-at-small-uas-system-description.html

FAA reveals first cut at “small” UAS system description
By John Croft

The US Federal Aviation Administration has developed a rudimentary set of ground rules for the certification and operation of "small" unmanned air vehicles in civilian airspace. The work comes in advance of an Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) the FAA plans to launch in early 2008 to develop recommendations for how the vehicles can be safely integrated into the national airspace system.

The ARC report, in parallel with the output an FAA-internal safety management panel, will then form the basis for a proposed rulemaking covering certification and flight requirements and operations for small UAVs, says Bruce Tarbert, the FAA's UAV team lead for national airspace system integration. Tarbert says the rule, which would likely become a new section of the FAA regulations, could be published as early as July 2009.

Developed by Mitre with input from John Hansman and Roland Weibel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the ground rules would limit aircraft flying in densely populated urban areas to a weight of 1.8kg (4lb) or less and a maximum altitude of 400ft (120m). For all other areas, the aircraft would be required to weigh less than 15.9kg and fly at or below 1,200ft above the ground.

Both classes of aircraft would be limited to airspeeds of 40kt (75km/h)) or less, piloted by FAA-certificated pilots who would have to keep the vehicles at least 4.8km (2.6nm) from charted airports. Rather than carrying on-board collision avoidance features, the vehicles would be likely to use "outboard" collision avoidance - ground-based pilots having line-of-sight contact and direct control over the vehicle (one pilot for each aircraft).

The overall system would be FAA-certificated, although most likely using "non-traditional" standards. Operators would have to notify the FAA of incidents involving fatalities, serious injuries or significant property damage.

Mitre and MIT developed the recommendations by investigating the probability of ground and mid-air collisions with civilian aircraft, using a safety threshold of one fatality per every 10 million flight hours, according to Mitre.

Currently a UAV operator can gain access to civilian airspace through a certificate of authorisation or the issuance of an experimental airworthiness certificate, both of which have operational mitigations to ensure safety. Tarbert says the FAA approved 100 certificates of authorisation last year and 60 so far this year. The agency approved 14 experimental certificates this year and has 10 more in the queue, he adds.

Tarbert cautions that the Mitre system description is a "starting point" for the ARC work, and will likely mature with stakeholder input.


FAA computers malfunctioning [Ptech needs to be investigated!]
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5 Scientists Who Helped Iran With Nuke Plant Died in Russian Plane Crash
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2011, 11:51:32 pm »
I wonder, were they assassinated?   ???

Five scientists killed in Monday's Russian plane crash assisted in the development of Iran's nuclear plant, Russian security sources told the Daily Mail.

Scientists Andrei Tropinov, Sergei Rizhov, Gennadi Benyok, Nicolai Tronov and Valery Lyalin worked at the Bushehr nuclear power plant and helped to complete construction of it.

The five scientists were employed at the Hydropress factory, a member of Russia's state nuclear corporation, according to Haaretz.com.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/23/scientists-who-helped-iran-with-nuke-plant-died-in-russian-plane-crash/#ixzz1QGCRXAzM
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I thought that this particular statement which you did not highlight was particularly and especially damning as all hell.

"Adding to the difficulty of landing the plane in deep fog, the runway's high-intensity illumination intended to help the crew at times of low visibility failed just as the plane was on its final approach, said Alexei Morozov, deputy head of the Interstate Aviation Committee, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.

Nice catch.
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