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Why do I say that?

Not only did the whole PNAC crowd sign off on it - but more importantly, Max Boot was on the list of signatories as well.

Know who Max Boot is?




He is the official CFR minion that has CODIFIED the REVOLUTION IN MILITARY AFFAIRS. He has written several books on the subject, popularizing it amongst establishment figures.

Here is his CFR page - he is part of the 'CFR thinktank' and is listed as an 'Expert'.


http://www.cfr.org/experts/israel-democracy-and-human-rights-iraq/max-boot/b5641

Look at this:

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named one of "the 500 most influential people in the United States in the field of foreign policy,"

Here is his Revolution in Military Affairs book



http://www.amazon.com/War-Made-New-Technology-Warfare/dp/1592402224

And BTW - if you still don't believe this shit is HARDCORE IMPORTANT - go listen to his podcast here -

Here is his RMA podcast

http://www.cfr.org/defense-technology/max-boot-war-made-new/p11713

Anyway, here comes the article -

http://m.gawker.com/5782293/neocons-write-nice-letter-asking-obama-for-war-in-libya

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Neocons Write Nice Letter Asking Obama for War in Libya
By Jim Newell, Mar 15, 2011 05:01 PM



President Obama is seriously wearing on the patience of America's most war-loving war lovers, the Washington neoconservatives. Why won't Obama be reasonable and just let them have their endless War in Libya? Muammar Qaddafi is strengthening his grip and moving east, so the window of opportunity for invading another decentralized tribal country and then spending a dozen years there while alienating everyone in the region is closing. And so the neocons have banded together to write Obama a sternly worded letter asking for their war, please, now.

The signatories includes many of the usual bold-faced neocon names who've been writing these same letters demanding wars since forever. Kristol, Kagan, Boot, Podhoretz — these folks wouldn't miss a war-letter signing if it meant skipping mother's funeral.

Here's the full text:

    The Honorable Barack Obama
    President of the United States
    The White House
    Washington, DC

    March 15, 2011

    Dear President Obama:

    Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

    On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

    In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

    Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

    For the sake of our security as well as America's credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

    Sincerely, Stephen E. Biegun
    Max Boot
    Ellen Bork
    Paul Bremer
    Scott Carpenter
    Elizabeth Cheney
    Eliot Cohen
    Seth Cropsey
    Thomas Donnelly
    Michele Dunne
    Eric Edelman
    Jamie Fly
    Reuel Marc Gerecht
    William Inboden
    Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
    Ash Jain
    Robert Kagan
    David Kramer
    Irina Krasovskaya
    William Kristol
    Tod Lindberg
    Ann Marlowe
    Cliff May
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael O'Hanlon
    Martin Peretz
    Danielle Pletka
    John Podhoretz
    Randy Scheunemann
    Gary J. Schmitt
    Dan Senor
    William Taft
    Marc Thiessen
    Daniel Twining
    Ken Weinstein
    Leon Wieseltier
    Rich Williamson
    Damon Wilson

It certainly wouldn't be a good outcome if Qaddafi was able to regain full power after a murderous rampage, and Obama really put himself in a box by demanding Qaddafi step down without knowing how to ensure that outcome.

But a U.N. agreement for a no-fly zone is still being blocked by Russia and China. The useless Arab League did endorse the idea already, as long as they don't have to enforce it themselves. A no-fly zone also requires bombing many Libyan air bases, and it wouldn't stop all the violence from heavy artillery on the ground. So then, of course, we'd feel compelled to do something about the violence from heavy artillery on the ground. Western European allies in NATO would offer to go along with a ground force, which means that the United States would have to do everything, for years. It likely would be perceived throughout the region as another imperialist American war of aggression. The Arab League leaders would pretend to forget that they ever endorsed the no-fly zone and proceed to play off of the populist anger against foreign occupiers to preserve their own grasps on power. Also, no-fly zones and wars cost "money." And so on.

So the neocons should probably present their case with something more persuasive than a vague five-paragraph letter about morals and human rights and whatever precious lines Obama gave in his inaugural address.


Looks like they got it.

Another source for the letter:

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/files/uploads/images/3-18-11%20-%20Second%20Open%20Letter%20on%20Libya%20-%2046%20Sigs.pdf

PDF from http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/foreign-policy-experts-again-urge-president-take-action-halt-violence-libya

I have it downloaded, I dont see an option to upload it in the post if someone has somewhere to host it do it before they take it down
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I'm here, and I'm as disgusted as you are. Seems being lied to about radiation levels has become a distraction for being lied to about wars and invasions.

It's as if it's still 2003, just a bit more paranoid 2003.
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There's a lot going on newswise this week.
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Michael Savage has been talking a little bit about this in the mind our own business/who knows what we'll get type framework.

Thread's been stickied btw. Everybody can be friends again :)
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I'm am ill that the neocons have more authority than the American people.  I'm disgusted, seriously.

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THIRD ILLEGAL WAR
Orders sent by the warmongers were dutifully followed by the puppet in chief:


Why do I say that?

Not only did the whole PNAC crowd sign off on it - but more importantly, Max Boot was on the list of signatories as well.

Know who Max Boot is?





He is the official CFR minion that has CODIFIED the REVOLUTION IN MILITARY AFFAIRS. He has written several books on the subject, popularizing it amongst establishment figures.

Here is his CFR page - he is part of the 'CFR thinktank' and is listed as an 'Expert'.


http://www.cfr.org/experts/israel-democracy-and-human-rights-iraq/max-boot/b5641

Look at this:[/size]

Here is his Revolution in Military Affairs book



http://www.amazon.com/War-Made-New-Technology-Warfare/dp/1592402224


And BTW - if you still don't believe this shit is HARDCORE IMPORTANT - go listen to his podcast here -

Here is his RMA podcast

http://www.cfr.org/defense-technology/max-boot-war-made-new/p11713

Anyway, here comes the article -

http://m.gawker.com/5782293/neocons-write-nice-letter-asking-obama-for-war-in-libya
Also see another source here:
http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/files/uploads/images/3-18-11%20-%20Second%20Open%20Letter%20on%20Libya%20-%2046%20Sigs.pdf

PDF from http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/foreign-policy-experts-again-urge-president-take-action-halt-violence-libya

I have it downloaded, I dont see an option to upload it in the post if someone has somewhere to host it do it before they take it down

Neocons Write Nice Letter Asking Obama for War in Libya
By Jim Newell, Mar 15, 2011 05:01 PM



President Obama is seriously wearing on the patience of America's most war-loving war lovers, the Washington neoconservatives. Why won't Obama be reasonable and just let them have their endless War in Libya? Muammar Qaddafi is strengthening his grip and moving east, so the window of opportunity for invading another decentralized tribal country and then spending a dozen years there while alienating everyone in the region is closing. And so the neocons have banded together to write Obama a sternly worded letter asking for their war, please, now.

The signatories includes many of the usual bold-faced neocon names who've been writing these same letters demanding wars since forever. Kristol, Kagan, Boot, Podhoretz — these folks wouldn't miss a war-letter signing if it meant skipping mother's funeral.

Here's the full text:

    The Honorable Barack Obama
    President of the United States
    The White House
    Washington, DC

    March 15, 2011

    Dear President Obama:

    Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

    On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

    In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

    Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

    For the sake of our security as well as America's credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

    Sincerely, Stephen E. Biegun
    Max Boot
    Ellen Bork
    Paul Bremer
    Scott Carpenter
    Elizabeth Cheney
    Eliot Cohen
    Seth Cropsey
    Thomas Donnelly
    Michele Dunne
    Eric Edelman
    Jamie Fly
    Reuel Marc Gerecht
    William Inboden
    Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
    Ash Jain
    Robert Kagan
    David Kramer
    Irina Krasovskaya
    William Kristol
    Tod Lindberg
    Ann Marlowe
    Cliff May
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael O'Hanlon
    Martin Peretz
    Danielle Pletka
    John Podhoretz
    Randy Scheunemann
    Gary J. Schmitt
    Dan Senor
    William Taft
    Marc Thiessen
    Daniel Twining
    Ken Weinstein
    Leon Wieseltier
    Rich Williamson
    Damon Wilson

It certainly wouldn't be a good outcome if Qaddafi was able to regain full power after a murderous rampage, and Obama really put himself in a box by demanding Qaddafi step down without knowing how to ensure that outcome.

But a U.N. agreement for a no-fly zone is still being blocked by Russia and China. The useless Arab League did endorse the idea already, as long as they don't have to enforce it themselves. A no-fly zone also requires bombing many Libyan air bases, and it wouldn't stop all the violence from heavy artillery on the ground. So then, of course, we'd feel compelled to do something about the violence from heavy artillery on the ground. Western European allies in NATO would offer to go along with a ground force, which means that the United States would have to do everything, for years. It likely would be perceived throughout the region as another imperialist American war of aggression. The Arab League leaders would pretend to forget that they ever endorsed the no-fly zone and proceed to play off of the populist anger against foreign occupiers to preserve their own grasps on power. Also, no-fly zones and wars cost "money." And so on.

So the neocons should probably present their case with something more persuasive than a vague five-paragraph letter about morals and human rights and whatever precious lines Obama gave in his inaugural address.

Looks like they got it.[/size]
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There is a bloody civil war going on in the Ivory Coast...

 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/us-ivorycoast-qa-idUSTRE72H55R20110318?pageNumber=2

...and the neocons don't give 2 hoots about delivering "humanitarian aid" there.

Meanwhile, Max Boot who writes entire books of RMA strategem is writing an open letter to the teleprompter reader (giving him marching orders) to invade Libya for "humanitarian" reasons.

WAKE UP!!!


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There is a bloody civil war going on in the Ivory Coast...

 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/us-ivorycoast-qa-idUSTRE72H55R20110318?pageNumber=2

...and the neocons don't give 2 hoots about delivering "humanitarian aid" there.

Meanwhile, Max Boot who writes entire books of RMA strategem is writing an open letter to the teleprompter reader (giving him marching orders) to invade Libya for "humanitarian" reasons.

WAKE UP!!!

I know egging on the OP is the flavor of the day around here, but this is huge.


Exactly!

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There is a bloody civil war going on in the Ivory Coast...

 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/us-ivorycoast-qa-idUSTRE72H55R20110318?pageNumber=2

...and the neocons don't give 2 hoots about delivering "humanitarian aid" there.

Meanwhile, Max Boot who writes entire books of RMA strategem is writing an open letter to the teleprompter reader (giving him marching orders) to invade Libya for "humanitarian" reasons.

WAKE UP!!!

I know egging on the OP is the flavor of the day around here, but this is huge.


This is why reading the posts that squarepusher and anti_Illuminati have made about the Revolution in Military Affairs is SO IMPORTANT.

Because it's the blueprint for what we're watching unfold RIGHT NOW.

Someone thought that Max Boot was Squarepushers "idol".  That was very plain evidence that the person who made that criticism has not read any of Squarepusher's posts... or they would have realized that Squarepusher EXPOSED Max Boot long before Max and his cabal told Obama to invade Libya.

Now Obama has complied with the wishes of Max Boot and the RMA agenda.

If you think you are awake, but have not taken the time to read about the Cybernetics/RMA agenda, then you are deluding yourself. You can't be awake, yet remain asleep to the very thing that has been constructed to enslave you.
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Max Boot

the evil genius behind RMA strategy.

that nice letter was an order from the big boys, telling Obama what to do obviously.

I'll listen to the podcast when I have a break from everyday life.
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BTW - here is this guy on his Twitter page gloating over Obama's decision to comply...

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot

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At last the world acts--and Gaddafi backs down. My take: http://bit.ly/he2gw7 about 3 hours ago via web

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Dan Twining makes some great points about what we learned from UN debate on Libya: http://bit.ly/fBTZEJ about 3 hours ago via web

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This is not to suggest by any means that the work of the international coalition is done or that it will all be as easy as this. Clearly, Qaddafi will not give up his grip on power without a fight, and having been able to push back the opposition, he is still in a strong position. But he is canny enough to understand that the odds are now shifting against him, and for the time being at least, he seems eager not to provoke the international coalition that is gathering with overwhelming force. Now it is up to the U.S. and our allies to buttress the opposition and allow them to make up lost ground.
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BTW - here is this guy on his Twitter page gloating over Obama's decision to comply...

"This is not to suggest by any means that the work of the international coalition is done..."
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot


That is a rare bit of TRUTH from those bastards. Their work is far from done.
They need a NEW battle laboratory in which to test out all of the unmanned weapons they've spent billions of dollars developing:


http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/Articles/01winter/adams.htm

Future Warfare and the Decline of Human Decisionmaking
THOMAS K. ADAMS
© 2001 Thomas K. Adams

From Parameters, Winter 2001-02, pp. 57-71.

To date, most warfare has taken place within what Robert J. Bunker terms "human space,"
meaning the traditional four-dimensional battlespace that is discernible to the human senses.[1] In essence, war has always consisted of human beings running, dodging, and hurling things at each other, lately with the help of machinery. Even such revolutionary developments as gunpowder only enhanced our ability to throw things at enemies we could see and hear.

The first crude examples of autonomous weapons were probably the early experiments by the US Navy and Sperry Gyroscope Company on unpiloted aircraft during the last years of the First World War.

Then came the advent of electronics, especially radar,
and warfare began to leave the realm of human senses.


Ships and planes could fire on enemies that were no more than ghostly green images on a cathode ray tube. Later came military robots such as cruise missiles that were able to autonomously execute missions formerly requiring manned systems. Advanced radar engagement systems enabled pilots to locate, identify, and destroy enemy aircraft without ever seeing them. Some robotic systems became even more independent, such as the Navy's Phalanx close-in air defense weapon, which is "capable of autonomously performing its own search, detect, evaluation, track, engage, and kill assessment functions."[2]

Thanks to advanced sensors and information processing, target recognition and identification methods are being developed to permit truly autonomous guided munitions. This includes munitions capable of autonomously engaging fixed and mobile ground targets, as well as targets in air and space
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Please continue reading HERE: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=129340.msg1047930#msg1047930
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Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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Military Study Looked to Rome for Lessons

By Noah Shachtman Email Author
August 5, 2008




The Pentagon’s legendary Office of Net Assessment is known for peering into the future of conflict  — at subjects like wartime biotech, fighting robots, networked battles, and the military in space. The office’s head, Andrew Marshall, has been called the Pentagon’s "futurist-in-chief." But for one study, concluded in 2002, Net Assessment-funded researchers looked back, to the empires of Alexander the Great, Imperial Rome, Genghis Khan, and Napoleonic France.

The study, "Military Advantage in History," examines these "pivotal hegemonic powers" to draw lessons about how the United States "should think about maintaining military advantage in the 21st century." Mother Jones’ Justin Elliott obtained the report through the Freedom of Information Act.

Much of the report reads like a fairly standard military history — not unlike Max Boot’s War Made New. However, "in an extraordinary passage, the study cites the Roman experience — from over a millennium ago — as a precedent for America’s long-term dominance," Elliott notes.

    The Roman model suggests that it is possible for the United States to maintain its military advantage for centuries if it remains capable of transforming its forces before an opponent can develop counter-capabilities. Transformation coupled with strong strategic institutions is a powerful combination for an adversary to overcome.

[Insert:  The only way to achieve the above is to have persistent warfare by manufacturing endless enemies.]

Sounds right to me. We Americans may get squeamish about comparing ourselves to empires. But we definitely want our military learning lessons from the past.
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Why does Alex not talk about any of this on his show or for that matter have articles posted on the sites regarding these subjects???  There are so many people that need to be made aware and educated in this area, including myself!!

I always looked at Alex's on air show and Infowars website as the starting place for those just waking up.  It is like the hook and it is up to the reader/listener to dig deeper for more info.  That's how it was for me and then I ended up here and from here, all of you lead us to even deeper truths and information.  He really does have to give it like a mother bird, spoon-feeding to begin and hopefully the InfoArmy will explode!


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Military Study Looked to Rome for Lessons



What the HELL? Rome? For christ's sake - will they be dragging prisoners and treasures back and parading through the streets of washington DC with their booty? This is just unreal.

In a representative democracy we have a military that is emulating the roman empire.

What's wrong with this picture?

And that tool who works for the Nicholas Negroponte (MIT Media Lab/Project Athena)-created CIA rag called "WIRED" is reporting this as if there was absolutely nothing wrong here. Isn't that nice?

"The Roman model suggests that it is possible for the United States
to maintain its military advantage for centuries
if it remains capable of transforming its forces

before an opponent can develop counter-capabilities.
Transformation coupled with strong strategic institutions
is a powerful combination for an adversary to overcome."


But don't worry... go back to sleep... buy a tee shirt... take your pills... and don't bother to read anything because it will just make you bored. You don't have to worry... someone will come and rouse you to get on the bus when it's time to be evacuated for the camps. In the meantime, don't trouble yourself by reading anything - it's so darned boring, just go ahead and watch american idol - that's better now... sleep.

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Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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Das er.... Max Boot....

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Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Boot
Max Boot(born 1969) is an American author, consultant, editorialist, lecturer, and military historian.[1] He has been a prominent advocate for American militarism. He once described his ideas as "American might to promote American ideals" throughout the world.[2] He self-identifies as a conservative, once joking that "I grew up in the 1980s, when conservatism was cool".[2] Boot worked as a writer and editor for Christian Science Monitor and then for The Wall Street Journal in the 1990s. He is now a Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. He has written for numerous publications such as The Weekly Standard, The Los Angeles Times, and The New York Times.[3]


Boot was born in 1969 in Moscow.[4] His parents, both Russian Jews, later emigrated from the Soviet Union to Los Angeles, where he was raised

Boot earned a Bachelor's Degree in History from the University of California, Berkeley in 1991, and a Master's Degree in Diplomatic History from Yale University in 1992

[ Notice -  1991 - 1992 - Masters degree in ONE YEAR .... FAST TRACKER ]

Boot is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations

http://www.cfr.org/experts/israel-democracy-and-human-rights-iraq/max-boot/b5641
... Currently writing a history of guerrilla warfare. March 16, 2011

It's Not Too Late to Save Libya
Author: Max Boot, Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow for National Security Studies

Op-Ed

Wall Street Journal - Max Boot argues that President Obama's weak response to the situation in Libya will significantly reduce American power and prestige.
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Iraq War & Neocon 'Idea Testing' - Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USD5j-1TbJw

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUmUbVH31w&feature=related

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyuNpbvwZ6Y&feature=related


LET THE NEOCONS TELL THEIR OWN STORY. IT'S ALL IN THESE VIDEOS!



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http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=695

Max Boot:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=2344


I just read an article he wrote this week. Will have to remember where it is.

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Reagen got the hell out. The neocons are getting us back in.
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Re: Bilderberg/CFR Orders to Obama on 3/15 DEMANDING GROUND WAR WITH LIBYA
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 05:07:24 pm »
Man they are really rah, rahing it on the cable news.

This is even worse because the precedent is set for ONLY going to the UN for "permission." Completely unconstitution and it's not even mentioned.
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More from Max Boot - (one of the guys that signed this letter), and the CFR's chief RMA propagandist - trying to fan the flames of war even higher..



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Obama sounded resolute today but is he ready for a real fight? My take: http://bit.ly/fDs0PA


OK, let's see your 'take'...

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Credit and Concern Due on Libya

Max Boot 03.18.2011 - 4:49 PM

I have been critical in recent days of President Obama for lack of leadership on Libya but I part company with some of my colleagues on this blog in that I sense this is changing. True, he waited for the UN Security Council to come together before acting in Libya, thereby losing vital time. But the legitimacy the UN confers should not be underestimated—much as it may pain me (and other critics of the UN) to admit it. Having the Arab League on board is also a plus. There is even talk that Qatar, UAE, and Jordan may participate in a military campaign against Qaddafi—good news if true, although, as autocracies (if relatively benign ones), they are hardly shining exemplars of the “new Middle East.” Most important of all, France and Britain appear prepared to take on a major part of the military burden.

All in all, I give Obama credit for assembling an impressive coalition, and avoiding a Russian or Chinese veto at the Security Council. The question is what he does with the authority of Resolution 1973.

In his public statement today Obama sounded resolute—but he also set out fairly narrow goals and did not reiterate his previous call for Qaddafi’s ouster. Qaddafi has said he is imposing a ceasefire. What if his forces pull back from eastern Libya? Does that mean we won’t impose a no-fly zone or mount air strikes? If so that would leave Qaddafi in control of a substantial part of the country where he could continue the human rights abuses that are rightly condemned by the United Nations—and could force the U.S. to undertake a lengthy and costly military involvement to make sure that Qaddafi stands by his promises not to march into Benghazi. Much simpler and surer to do everything possible, short of dispatching ground troops, to topple Qaddafi. I have previously noted that such steps would include a no-fly zone combined with air strikes on Qaddafi’s ground forces and also training and arms for the rebel forces.

That represents a substantial commitment on our part, and comes with attendant risks. No doubt there is still a faction in the administration hoping that a few symbolic moves will be enough to get Qaddafi to cease and desist. But our goal should not be simply a temporary cessation of the violence. A lasting solution requires Gaddafi to be gone, and that won’t be easy to achieve. We may have a real fight on our hands. I only hope that the administration is ready for that.


These guys want endless wars until they have a total cybernetic system in place - enforced in both MILITARY and CIVILIAN life that will render everyone total slaves.

You guys probably think I'm joking too? That's because you don't know what Future Soldier 2030 entails.

http://nsrdec.natick.army.mil/FSI/index.htm

http://nsrdec.natick.army.mil/FSI/docs/FSI_WhitePaper_Dec2009.pdf

Go to 'Background', and click on 'White Paper'. Lets see you guys piece together what you should REALLY be scared of. You'll be wishing for the days when all you were concerned about was a 'world government' that took away your sovereignty.
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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The original post included this letter:

Neocons Write Nice Letter Asking Obama for War in Libya
By Jim Newell, Mar 15, 2011 05:01 PM

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March 15, 2011

    Dear President Obama:

    Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

    On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

    In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

    Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

    For the sake of our security as well as America's credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

    Sincerely, Stephen E. Biegun
    Max Boot
    Ellen Bork
    Paul Bremer
    Scott Carpenter
    Elizabeth Cheney
    Eliot Cohen
    Seth Cropsey
    Thomas Donnelly
    Michele Dunne
    Eric Edelman
    Jamie Fly
    Reuel Marc Gerecht
    William Inboden
    Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
    Ash Jain
    Robert Kagan
    David Kramer
    Irina Krasovskaya
    William Kristol
    Tod Lindberg
    Ann Marlowe
    Cliff May
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael O'Hanlon
    Martin Peretz
    Danielle Pletka
    John Podhoretz
    Randy Scheunemann
    Gary J. Schmitt
    Dan Senor
    William Taft
    Marc Thiessen
    Daniel Twining
    Ken Weinstein
    Leon Wieseltier
    Rich Williamson
    Damon Wilson

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Subsequent to receiving this letter, Obama authorized a war with Libya.
No Senate, no congress, no "we the people" involved in this decision at all.
And no pretense of involving "we the people".


Ask yourself why not even PRETEND to care what the citizens of this country want.
Because the constitution has been shredded, they simply don't care anymore.

It only took three days from the day the letter was sent to this:

Obama - U.N. resolution "enforced through military action" if necessary
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7360089n
Friday 18th March, 2011  
(Source: CBS News)
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Marching orders.
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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More from Max Boot - (one of the guys that signed this letter), and the CFR's chief RMA propagandist - trying to fan the flames of war even higher..



OK, let's see your 'take'...

These guys want endless wars until they have a total cybernetic system in place - enforced in both MILITARY and CIVILIAN life that will render everyone total slaves.

You guys probably think I'm joking too? That's because you don't know what Future Soldier 2030 entails.

http://nsrdec.natick.army.mil/FSI/index.htm

http://nsrdec.natick.army.mil/FSI/docs/FSI_WhitePaper_Dec2009.pdf

Go to 'Background', and click on 'White Paper'. Lets see you guys piece together what you should REALLY be scared of. You'll be wishing for the days when all you were concerned about was a 'world government' that took away your sovereignty.

081113-N-7590D-010 - CAMP H. M. SMITH, Hawaii (Nov. 13, 2008) Mr. Max Boot, author of WAR MADE NEW, speaks to members of Special Operations Command Pacific (SOCPAC) about revolutions in military affairs and the War on Terror during his visit to the command on Nov. 13, 2008. Mr. Boot is the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow in National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York and is visiting SOCPAC at the invitation of the Commanding General, Major General Salvatore Cambria. (U.S. Navy photo by Chief Mass Communications Specialist Keith DeVinney/Released)


081113-N-7590D-034 - CAMP H. M. SMITH, Hawaii (Nov. 13, 2008) Mr. Max Boot, author of WAR MADE NEW, visited members of Special Operations Command Pacific (SOCPAC) and spoke about revolutions in military affairs and the War on Terror on Nov. 13, 2008. Mr. Boot is the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow in National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York and is visiting SOCPAC at the invitation of the Commanding General, Major General Salvatore Cambria. (left to right) Col. Jeffrey White, Max Boot, Maj. Gen. Salvatore Cambria, Rick Bennet and Lt. Col Jacquelin Lyons. (U.S. Navy photo by Chief Mass Communications Specialist Keith DeVinney/Released)

081113-N-7590D-036 - CAMP H. M. SMITH, Hawaii (Nov. 13, 2008) Mr. Max Boot, author of WAR MADE NEW, signs his book during a visit to members of Special Operations Command Pacific (SOCPAC) on Nov. 13, 2008. Mr. Boot is the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow in National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York and is visiting SOCPAC at the invitation of the Commanding General, Major General Salvatore Cambria. (U.S. Navy photo by Chief Mass Communications Specialist Keith DeVinney/Released)

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Another RMA boy - Thomas P.M. Barnett - has a nice blog where he continually gets a hard-on talking about the 'Gap', the 'Core', 'Leviathan Forces' and all kinds of invented nonsensical geekspeak that really covers up genocide, imperialism and plain-old robber baron rape and pillage.

Let me run some of his posts he made today through the translation machine for you -



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No, we won't get it everywhere (across Gap) and we certainly don't need it everywhere (i.e., Core).  But when the opportunity is there, and the demand is there, and you are a difference maker on supply provision, you have to step up enough to enable the response.

Let me run this through the translation machine for you:

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No, we won't get it everywhere (across Gap [the cybernetic Gaian grid system]) and we certainly don't need it everywhere (i.e., Core).  But when the opportunity is there, and the demand is there, and you are a difference maker on supply provision ([just some nonsensical words strung together to disguise the bad-ass militaristic warrior bee nation that the US represents]), you have to step up enough to enable the response [response - pummel nations to the ground].

A couple of days prior to this - he knew his RMA homies wrote a letter and it was on its way to Mr. Basketball NCAA President - he desperately wants war at this point, and when faith is running low and he starts thinking that he won't get it, he turns to blind idol worship - in this case worshipping his master, Max Boot (the CFR's official minion and main protagonist for the RMA - the guy who looks like a pimple-faced nerd yet is listened to attentively by Four-Star Generals and tells them how to wage war)-

http://globlogization.wikistrat.com/globlogization/2011/3/18/libya-declares-cease-fire-within-hours-of-un-resolution-on-n.html

March 17, 2011

Tossing in the towel on Libya



Asked recent by a commenter what I would imagine a decent effort in Libya would entail, I now turn to Max Boot's piece yesterday in the WSJ entitled, "It's not too late to save libya."

The guts of the military explanation:

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   The Pentagon, from Defense Secretary Robert Gates on down, has reacted as if this would be a military operation on the order of D-Day. In reality, it would not be hard to ground Gadhafi's decrepit air force.

    The job could probably be performed with just one American ship—the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, now in the Red Sea, which has 34 F/A-18F Super Hornets and 10 F/A-18C Hornets along with a full complement of electronic-warfare aircraft. The Enterprise strike group could also unleash a devastating array of Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    And the Enterprise would not have to fight alone. It could easily be joined by numerous American, British and French aircraft flying out of Aviano and other NATO bases in Italy. A forward operations base could be established at the Gamal Abdul el-Nasser airfield, one of Libya's major air force bases (built by the British), which is located south of Tobruk and has already been captured by the rebels.

    As the enforcement of no-fly zones over Bosnia and Iraq should have proved, the risks of such an operation are minimal—especially if we first neutralize Gadhafi's air defenses.

    By itself, a no-fly zone might not be enough to topple Gadhafi. At the very least, however, it would dishearten Gadhafi's supporters and buy time for the rebels. We could further tilt the balance in their favor by bombing Gadhafi's installations and troops.

    It may also be necessary to send arms and Special Forces trainers to support the rebels. Without committing any combat troops of our own, we could deliver the same kind of potent combined-arms punch that drove the Serbs out of Kosovo when NATO aircraft supported ground operations by the Kosovo Liberation Army.

That's pretty much what I was thinking of.  I just don't know enough operationally to express as well as Boot does here. (My note: Oh, he is swooning right now. He has such a huge mancrush on this CFR legget that he can't adequately cover it)

Per the WSJ editorial on the preceding page, we are seeing how much "Arabs love the pax Americana."  I remember during Abu Ghraib and everything else hearing about how America's standing in the region would take "decades" to resurrect.  You knew that was bulls@&t then.  When the right circumstances hit the right fan, the Arab League wants our no-fly-zone, even if Turkey's Erdogan is being too egotistical to admit it.
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This is the mindset of these people. They are gloating right now. They think the Bush-Cheney thing was a wonderful episode in history - and that they have the moral high ground - and that all this shit should just be allowed to be repeated one more time.
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BTW - just to be more clear on Thomas P.M. Barnett's alien language -

'The Gap' - these are all the little nations that need to be conquered yet by the NWO - the pieces in the puzzle that need to be 'globalized'/'standardized'/stamped into conformity.

'The Core' - these are all the conquered vessel nation states that are now nothing but satellite states in this great thing they consider the 'World State' - little satellite states all beholden to vast supranational states such as the EU and soon to be the North American Union (although Mr. Barnett won't mention that because nationalism and sovereignty are still things the average American is very protective of - unlike the socialized Europeans).

When you know these guys' language, you can see that they are discussing genocide, rape and pillage in broad daylight - just cloaked up in code and terminology. It's a cute little insider club these guys are in - they all preach to the choir, they aren't bothered by the public because the public don't know about them - and they basically are the guys that get things done - they get wars done, they get the strategies done - and  the frontmen/puppets we consider to be our elected officials just dance to their tune.
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Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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Bump.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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Bill Kristol and the RMA psychos are a guarantee that our sons and doughters will die and be maimed in Libya for Energy Control
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/20/bill-kristol-calls-for-u-s-ground-forces-in-libya/
By David Edwards
Sunday, March 20th, 2011 -- 11:52 am

The operation to create a no-fly zone in Libya has just begun, but already conservative Fox News pundit Bill Kristol is wishing the U.S. would send in ground troops "sooner rather than later." U.S. President Barack Obama said Saturday the "Odyssey Dawn" operation launched under a UN Security Council resolution was a "limited military action," unlike the regime change aims of the war against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. He pledged no U.S. troops would be deployed on the ground. Fox News Chris Wallace asked Kristol Sunday if it was a mistake to limit the mission in Libya. "Let's talk about the mission," Wallace began. "You heard Admiral Mullen, earlier in the show, say his orders are clear: protect the civilians, don't overthrow Gaddafi. That's not the point. Is that a mistake? Can we live with Gaddafi in any sort of power? He can create a lot of trouble." "No, we cannot leave Gaddafi in power," Kristol agreed. "And we won't leave Gaddafi in power."  "The immediate military mission, Admiral Mullen correctly described but the political goal is to remove Gaddafi and ultimately military assets will serve that political goal." "First we protect civilians and destroy his military capability. And then we help other remove him indirectly, presumably. Though I, unlike the president, would not rule out ultimately having to go in with peacekeeping and nation stabilizing forces. And I wouldn't be surprised if we do that at the end of the day," he added. The neoconservative pundit held up the Kosovo conflict as a model for action in Libya. "President Clinton ruled out ground forces in Kosovo. And finally, the threat of ground forces caused Miloševic to capitulate and we ended up sending in peacekeeping forces and we eventually got rid of Miloševic." "I hope that happens sooner rather than later here. We need to get rid of Gaddafi," he said. This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast March 20, 2011.
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Bill Kristol and the RMA psychos are a guarantee that our sons and doughters will die and be maimed in Libya for Energy Control
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/20/bill-kristol-calls-for-u-s-ground-forces-in-libya/
By David Edwards
Sunday, March 20th, 2011 -- 11:52 am

The operation to create a no-fly zone in Libya has just begun, but already conservative Fox News pundit Bill Kristol is wishing the U.S. would send in ground troops "sooner rather than later." U.S. President Barack Obama said Saturday the "Odyssey Dawn" operation launched under a UN Security Council resolution was a "limited military action," unlike the regime change aims of the war against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. He pledged no U.S. troops would be deployed on the ground. Fox News Chris Wallace asked Kristol Sunday if it was a mistake to limit the mission in Libya. "Let's talk about the mission," Wallace began. "You heard Admiral Mullen, earlier in the show, say his orders are clear: protect the civilians, don't overthrow Gaddafi. That's not the point. Is that a mistake? Can we live with Gaddafi in any sort of power? He can create a lot of trouble." "No, we cannot leave Gaddafi in power," Kristol agreed. "And we won't leave Gaddafi in power." "The immediate military mission, Admiral Mullen correctly described but the political goal is to remove Gaddafi and ultimately military assets will serve that political goal." "First we protect civilians and destroy his military capability. And then we help other remove him indirectly, presumably. Though I, unlike the president, would not rule out ultimately having to go in with peacekeeping and nation stabilizing forces. And I wouldn't be surprised if we do that at the end of the day," he added. The neoconservative pundit held up the Kosovo conflict as a model for action in Libya. "President Clinton ruled out ground forces in Kosovo. And finally, the threat of ground forces caused Miloševic to capitulate and we ended up sending in peacekeeping forces and we eventually got rid of Miloševic." "I hope that happens sooner rather than later here. We need to get rid of Gaddafi," he said. This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast March 20, 2011.

  This gets worse every minute.  Give us a break--the CIA (with their already in place operatives) could take out Gaddafi without ground troops IF THEY WANTED TO.  There is no money in SUDDEN VICTORY.
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Just give him another peace prize already.
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related: Bump for Libya no fly zone.... Armand Hammer - OXY - Occidental Petroleum - Libya

Al Gore is the heir to the Armand Hammer Fortune  - OXY [Shhhhhh don't tell anyone]

http://hubpages.com/hub/Portrait-of-an-Oil-Prospector
Occidental won Libyan concessions in 1965. Armand Hammer's persistence in drilling the plots of land that Occidental purchased, had paid off .  Within a year, Occidental had struck "one of the most prolific deposits of oil in the world."

By 1967, the six-day war which led to the shut-in of the Suez canal caused Libyan oil resources to become more valuable than before. At which point, Occidental was in possession of three billion barrels of recoverable reserves.
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What is our source for the actual letter? I don't doubt its authencity I understand the role of the CFR and the role of Obama, I checked the site it looks like text with no source Ill see if I can find it anywhre

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Great let's unseat the white racist mass murdering Palestine robbing Likudnik ZioNAZI Fascist Netenyahu dictatorship regime FIRST!

"    For the sake of our security as well as America's credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of PALESTINE – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action"

The White Racist Likud Tyranny of Israel is in violation of over 80 UN Security Council and General Assembly ORDERS, possesses weapons of mass destruction both nuclear, chemical and biological and have murdered millions of their own unarmed and innocent people


The original post included this letter:

Neocons Write Nice Letter Asking Obama for War in Libya
By Jim Newell, Mar 15, 2011 05:01 PM

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March 15, 2011

    Dear President Obama:

    Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

    On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

    In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

    Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

    For the sake of our security as well as America's credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

    Sincerely, Stephen E. Biegun
    Max Boot
    Ellen Bork
    Paul Bremer
    Scott Carpenter
    Elizabeth Cheney
    Eliot Cohen
    Seth Cropsey
    Thomas Donnelly
    Michele Dunne
    Eric Edelman
    Jamie Fly
    Reuel Marc Gerecht
    William Inboden
    Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
    Ash Jain
    Robert Kagan
    David Kramer
    Irina Krasovskaya
    William Kristol
    Tod Lindberg
    Ann Marlowe
    Cliff May
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael O'Hanlon
    Martin Peretz
    Danielle Pletka
    John Podhoretz
    Randy Scheunemann
    Gary J. Schmitt
    Dan Senor
    William Taft
    Marc Thiessen
    Daniel Twining
    Ken Weinstein
    Leon Wieseltier
    Rich Williamson
    Damon Wilson

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Subsequent to receiving this letter, Obama authorized a war with Libya.
No Senate, no congress, no "we the people" involved in this decision at all.
And no pretense of involving "we the people".


Ask yourself why not even PRETEND to care what the citizens of this country want.
Because the constitution has been shredded, they simply don't care anymore.

It only took three days from the day the letter was sent to this:

Obama - U.N. resolution "enforced through military action" if necessary
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7360089n
Friday 18th March, 2011  
(Source: CBS News)


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http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/foreign-policy-experts-again-urge-president-take-action-halt-violence-libya

Foreign Policy Experts Urge President to Take Action to Halt Violence in Libya
March 15, 2011  


WASHINGTON, D.C. – Forty-six former U.S. government officials, human rights and democracy advocates, and foreign policy experts expressed concern Tuesday regarding the ongoing crisis in Libya, urging President Obama to: urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council, and explore the possibility of targeted strikes against Qaddafi regime assets.

The bipartisan group references the President’s statements from his inaugural address (My note: I have to laugh here. Should read "statements from his inaugural address their speechwriters produced for him") where he declared, “America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity.” Echoing the President’s words, the group notes that American inaction will lead to additional civilian causalities in Libya and will send the wrong message to those seeking freedom elsewhere.

Many of the signatories signed a previous letter to President Obama on February 25th calling on the President to provide clear U.S. leadership on Libya and noting the danger of delay and indecisiveness.

The signatories include Foreign Policy Initiative Directors Eric Edelman, Robert Kagan, William Kristol, and Dan Senor as well as former human rights and foreign policy officials and other experts.  


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The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, DC  

March 15, 2011

Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive.  As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.  

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone.  We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies.  We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed.  The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born:  Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity.  The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people.  As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.  

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,


 Fouad Ajami Ash Jain Randy Scheunemann

 Stephen E. Biegun Ken Jensen Gary J. Schmitt

 Max Boot Robert Kagan Dan Senor

 Ellen Bork Lawrence Kaplan Henry Sokolski

 Paul Bremer David Kramer Whit Stillman

 Scott Carpenter  Irina Krasovskaya  William Taft

 Elizabeth Cheney William Kristol Marc Thiessen

 Eliot Cohen Tod Lindberg Daniel Twining

 Seth Cropsey Michael Makovsky Kurt Volker

 Thomas Donnelly Ann Marlowe Peter Wehner

 Michele Dunne Cliff May Ken Weinstein

 Eric Edelman Joshua Muravchik Leon Wieseltier

 Jamie Fly Michael O'Hanlon Rich Williamson

 Reuel Marc Gerecht  Martin Peretz Damon Wilson

 William Inboden Danielle Pletka
 

 Bruce Pitcairn Jackson John Podhoretz  


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The significance of the IDES of March:

The day when Rome shifted from a Republic to an Empire
    The Ides of March (Latin: Idus Martiae) is the name of March 15 in the Roman calendar, probably referring to the day of the full moon. The term ides was used for the 15th day of the months of March, May, July, and October, and the 13th day of the other months.[1] The Ides of March was a festive day dedicated to the god Mars and a military parade was usually held. In modern times, the term Ides of March is best known as the date that Julius Caesar was killed in 44 B.C. Julius Caesar was stabbed (23 times) to death in the Roman Senate led by Marcus Junius Brutus, Gaius Cassius Longinus and 60 other co-conspirators.

Lincoln: Pre-Emptive War Powers Make a President a King
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq

“Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion… and you allow him to make war at pleasure.… The provision of the Constitution giving the war making power to Congress was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons: kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This our convention understood to be the most oppressive of all kingly oppressions, and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where kings have always stood.”  - February 15, 1848
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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What is our source for the actual letter? I don't doubt its authencity I understand the role of the CFR and the role of Obama, I checked the site it looks like text with no source Ill see if I can find it anywhre

Now you've got your source for the 'actual letter' - it's straight from the CFR's own website. No more mysteries about that part then.
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That's my post. See my next one. I dont know if its on the CFRs website but its on another private organization of unelected officials who are CFR members