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Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« on: March 15, 2011, 09:14:21 pm »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16workers.html?_r=1

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A small crew of technicians, braving radiation and fire, became the only people remaining at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station on Tuesday — and perhaps Japan’s last chance of preventing a broader nuclear catastrophe.

They crawl through labyrinths of equipment in utter darkness pierced only by their flashlights, listening for periodic explosions as hydrogen gas escaping from crippled reactors ignites on contact with air.

They breathe through uncomfortable respirators or carry heavy oxygen tanks on their backs. They wear white, full-body jumpsuits with snug-fitting hoods that provide scant protection from the invisible radiation sleeting through their bodies.

They are the faceless 50, the unnamed operators who stayed behind. They have volunteered, or been assigned, to pump seawater on dangerously exposed nuclear fuel, already thought to be partly melting and spewing radioactive material, to prevent full meltdowns that could throw thousands of tons of radioactive dust high into the air and imperil millions of their compatriots.

They struggled on Tuesday and Wednesday to keep hundreds of gallons of seawater a minute flowing through temporary fire pumps into the three stricken reactors, Nos. 1, 2 and 3. Among the many problems they faced was what appeared to be yet another fire at the plant.

The workers are being asked to make escalating — and perhaps existential — sacrifices that so far are being only implicitly acknowledged: Japan’s Health Ministry said Tuesday it was raising the legal limit on the amount of radiation to which each worker could be exposed, to 250 millisieverts from 100 millisieverts, five times the maximum exposure permitted for American nuclear plant workers.

The change means that workers can now remain on site longer, the ministry said. “It would be unthinkable to raise it further than that, considering the health of the workers,” the health minister, Yoko Komiyama, said at a news conference.

Tokyo Electric Power, the plant’s operator, has said almost nothing at all about the workers, including how long a worker is expected to endure exposure.

The few details Tokyo Electric has made available paint a dire picture. Five workers have died since the earthquake and 22 more have been injured for various reasons, while two are missing. One worker was hospitalized after suddenly grasping his chest and finding himself unable to stand, and another needed treatment after receiving a blast of radiation near a damaged reactor. Eleven workers were injured in a hydrogen explosion at reactor No. 3. Nuclear reactor operators say that their profession is typified by the same kind of esprit de corps found among firefighters and elite military units. Lunchroom conversations at reactors frequently turn to what operators would do in a severe emergency.

The consensus is always that they would warn their families to flee before staying at their posts to the end, said Michael Friedlander, a former senior operator at three American power plants for a total of 13 years.

“You’re certainly worried about the health and safety of your family, but you have an obligation to stay at the facility,” he said. “There is a sense of loyalty and camaraderie when you’ve trained with guys, you’ve done shifts with them for years.”

Adding to this natural bonding, jobs in Japan confer identity, command loyalty and inspire a particularly fervent kind of dedication. Economic straits have chipped away at the hallowed idea of lifetime employment for many Japanese, but the workplace remains a potent source of community. Mr. Friedlander said that he had no doubt that in an identical accident in the United States, 50 volunteers could be found to stay behind after everyone else evacuated from an extremely hazardous environment. But Japanese are raised to believe that individuals sacrifice for the good of the group.

The reactor operators face extraordinary risks. Tokyo Electric evacuated 750 emergency staff members from the stricken plant on Tuesday, leaving only about 50, when radiation levels soared. By comparison, standard staffing levels at the three active General Electric reactors on the site would be 10 to 12 people apiece including supervisors — an indication that the small crew left behind is barely larger than the contingent on duty on a quiet day.

Definitely the unsong heroes in this crisis. These men are heroes plain and simple akin to the 9/11 First Responders. They are the only ones that stand between a complete nuclear meltdown
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2011, 09:25:22 pm »
Anderson Cooper just said there is a report that they are suspending all and all workers are getting out but-- then he added that he doubts that is true.

What kind of reporting is that? What does that mean?
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2011, 09:28:20 pm »
surely we should send the chairmen of GE in to fix the meltdown. Send Rockefeller too.
why should the workers have to clear up the mess

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2011, 09:30:38 pm »
Just confirmed by PM - all workers have been evacuated.

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 09:38:12 pm »
Is the media ever going to stop downplaying this. I mean we are supposed to be constantly quaking in our boots over some mythical guy on a camel in the desert with a tube of toothpaste stored in his rear, but this is nothing?


Panic, no, of course not, but the "adults" are not present.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 09:42:08 pm »
Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, is holding a news conference that is being broadcast live on Japanese television. Mr. Edano said radiation readings started rising rapidly Wednesday morning outside the front gate of the Fukushima Daiichi plant. "All the workers there have suspended their operations. We have urged them to evacuate, and they have," he said, according to a translation by NHK television.

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 09:45:38 pm »
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 09:46:10 pm »
Japan informs IAEA nuclear plant explosion, spent fuel storage pond on fire
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90856/7321083.html
08:39, March 16, 2011
  
An explosion occurred at the Unit 2 reactor at the earthquake-crippled Fukushima No.1 plant, the UN nuclear watchdog said on Tuesday, citing information from Japanese authorities.

The explosion occurred at around 6:20 a.m. Japanese local time, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said in a statement.

Japanese officials also informed the IAEA that the spent fuel storage pond at the Unit 4 reactor of the plant is on fire and radioactivity is being released directly into the atmosphere.

Dose rates of up to 400 millisievert per hour have been reported at the site, the statement said.

The Japanese officials said that there is a possibility that the fire was caused by a hydrogen explosion.

The latest blasts came after previous explosions at its No. 1 and No. 3 reactors, caused by damage from Friday's earthquake and tsunami, which devastated much of north-west Japan.    
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2011, 09:46:13 pm »
Close up photo of damaged reactor from the press conference





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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 09:46:25 pm »
Man, AC looks scared shitless now.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2011, 09:48:17 pm »
Samurai my hairy a$$....more like Yakuza scum..

some good people died some horrible deaths dealing with Chernobyl....looks like the Japanese have become pussies...

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 09:49:44 pm »
Close up photo of damaged reactor from the press conference





Tokyo Electric Power Company has released a photograph of the No.4 reactor building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant showing an 8-meter-square hole on the outer wall of the building, from the 4th floor to the 5th, near where the storage pool is for spent nuclear rods.     

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.html

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2011, 09:50:25 pm »
I guess that's it then. Good luck everyone. Hope to see you on the other side. God help us.

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2011, 09:57:57 pm »
Are you watching that snow begin to fall on Anderson Cooper as this gets described.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 09:58:49 pm »
Are you watching that snow begin to fall on Anderson Cooper as this gets described.

He almost passed out when he found out that all the workers were gone. He looks completely panicked.


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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2011, 10:04:22 pm »
The pacification experts keep saying we're safe because it's likely to disperse as it crosses the ocean.

Doesn't that mean... spread? Why is that supposed to be reassuring?
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2011, 10:17:51 pm »
There are 50 workers that have stayed behind to try and get the plant under control, everyone else is out. Just like Chernobyl, I expect these people to be casualties.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2011, 10:32:20 pm »
MSNBC just reported that the last 50 were taken out because of a radiation spike but are now back in.

Draw your own conclusions of what that means for them, but it ain't good.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2011, 10:37:46 pm »
Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, is holding a news conference that is being broadcast live on Japanese television. Mr. Edano said radiation readings started rising rapidly Wednesday morning outside the front gate of the Fukushima Daiichi plant. "All the workers there have suspended their operations. We have urged them to evacuate, and they have," he said, according to a translation by NHK television.

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Please allow me to translate, I speak flawless bureaucrat; Wednesday morning at the Fukushima Daiichi plant it was noted that radiation readings are rising, we are no longer able to hide the facts i nth face of the western independent media. We are saying the workers have suspended their efforts to save face, and that we have urged them to evacuate. However that memo was lost in the shuffle, and they remain there, valiantly trying to cover up our blunders as cannon fodder, only to later be blamed when a scape goat is needed, and heads are rolling on a board room somewhere..
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 10:46:03 pm »
Well nobody should worry! In a generous response to the Japanese government's desperate request for help the Washington Rothschild-Likudniks at AEC who designed, sold and guaranteed the flawed dangerous and unsuitable ancient, obsolete and eternally unreliable and unstable bargain basement military-industrial surplus Light Water High Pressure enriched dangerous-fuel GE top dollar reactors have sent them two whole advisors to invent lies for them to use on TV  there to protect the money-losing corporate victims from lawsuits.

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2011, 10:46:25 pm »


  6 reactors at the same plant and they may be having problems with all of them---it ain't good.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2011, 10:48:30 pm »
Well nobody should worry! In a generous response to the Japanese government's desperate request for help the Washington Rothschild-Likudniks at NRC who designed, sold and guaranteed the flawed dangerous and unsuitable bargain basement military-industrial surplus Light Water High Pressure enriched dangerous-fuel GE top dollar reactors have sent them two whole advisors to invent lies for them to use on TV  there to protect the money-losing corporate victims from lawsuits.

  I think you are right---two whole advisors to invent lies.  Advisors to invent lies just like BP.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2011, 10:52:33 pm »
 I think you are right---two whole advisors to invent lies.  Advisors to invent lies just like BP.

  6 reactors at the same plant and they may be having problems with all of them---it ain't good.

Actually they may have restored power to #6's fuel cooling system though #5 is also gone past safe temperatures and lost water levels protecting the stored fuel from likely fires.

#2 is melting down with zero containment now, and another quake is hitting that will splash more water around making more steam in all exposed fuel pools - close to coast but not undersea

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2011, 11:03:13 pm »
Celente kind of sort of called this one.
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2011, 11:08:19 pm »
Celente kind of sort of called this one.

What did he say?
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2011, 11:13:58 pm »
If theyve abandoned then the reactors are in meltdown presumeably

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2011, 11:24:57 pm »
I believe this means meltdown is inevitable. They have essentially abanded ship.

By ERIC TALMADGE and SHINO YUASA, Associated Press Eric Talmadge And Shino Yuasa, Associated Press – 15 mins ago

FUKUSHIMA, Japan – Japan suspended operations to keep its stricken nuclear plant from melting down Wednesday after surging radiation made it too dangerous to stay.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the workers dousing the reactors in a frantic effort to cool them needed to withdraw.

"The workers cannot carry out even minimal work at the plant now," Edano said. "Because of the radiation risk we are on standby," he said.

The nuclear crisis has triggered international alarm and partly overshadowed the human tragedy caused by Friday's earthquake and tsunami, which pulverized Japan's northeastern coastline, killing an estimated 10,000 people and severely damaging the nuclear plant.

Since then authorities have tried frantically to avert an environmental catastrophe at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex in northeastern Japan, 170 miles (270 kilometers) north Tokyo.

Edano said the government expects to ask the U.S. military for help. He did not elaborate. He said the government is still considering whether and how to take up the various offers of help from other countries.

The surge in radiation was apparently the result of a Tuesday explosion in the complex's Unit 4 reactor, according to officials with Japan's nuclear safety agency. That blast is thought to have damaged the reactor's suppression chamber, a water-filled pipe outside the nuclear core that is part of the emergency cooling system.

Officials had originally planned use helicopters and fire trucks to spray water in a desperate effort to prevent further radiation leaks and to cool down the reactors.

"It's not so simple that everything will be resolved by pouring in water. We are trying to avoid creating other problems," Edano said.

"We are actually supplying water from the ground, but supplying water from above involves pumping lots of water and that involves risk. We also have to consider the safety of the helicopters above," he said.

A U.S. nuclear expert said he feared the worst.

"It's more of a surrender," said David Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer who now heads the nuclear safety program for the Union of Concerned Scientists, an activist group. "It's not like you wait 10 days and the radiation goes away. In that 10 days things are going to get worse."

"It's basically a sign that there's nothing left to do but throw in the towel," Lochbaum said.

The government has ordered some 140,000 people in the vicinity to stay indoors. A little radiation was also detected in Tokyo, 150 miles (240 kilometers) to the south, triggering panic buying of food and water.

There are six reactors at the plant, and the three that were operating at the time have been rocked by explosions. The one still on fire was offline at the time of the magnitude 9.0 quake, Japan's most powerful on record.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency estimated that 70 percent of the rods have been damaged at the No. 1 reactor.

Japan's national news agency, Kyodo, said that 33 percent of the fuel rods at the No. 2 reactor were damaged and that the cores of both reactors were believed to have partially melted.

"We don't know the nature of the damage," said Minoru Ohgoda, spokesman for the country's nuclear safety agency. "It could be either melting, or there might be some holes in them."

Meanwhile, the outer housing of the containment vessel at the No. 4 unit erupted in flames early Wednesday, said Hajimi Motujuku, a spokesman for the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co.

Japan's nuclear safety agency said fire and smoke could no longer be seen at Unit 4, but that it was unable to confirm that the blaze had been put out.

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Yuasa reported from Tokyo. Associated Press writers Elaine Kurtenbach in Tokyo and David Stringer in Ofunato contributed to this report.

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2011, 11:35:02 pm »
Workers allowed back into quake-damaged Japan nuclear plant

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/ts_nm/us_japan_quake_smoke

first comment is "this article is fake, no one is reporting it"
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2011, 11:36:41 pm »
little disinfo for you

Workers allowed back into quake-damaged Japan nuclear plant
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/ts_nm/us_japan_quake_smoke
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2011, 11:36:43 pm »
Michio Kaku, a physics professor at CUNY, says they should take all their military planes and entomb the reactors Chernobyl style, with concrete.

Anyway, I do *not* agree with the idea that the uranium will spread in a dense form around the planet. It is very bad news for Tokyo, and that is who we should worry about.  If you picture the many refineries and chemical plants in Houston, nearby people probably get high exposure from their smokestacks, but it's pretty dispersed by the time it reaches Minnesota or something.

anyhow... this group's research about spread of very *high* volume pollutant sources such as dust from the desert in N. China or mercury from the coal, does show an eastward pattern of spread over the Pacific so that the mercury falls in rain in Oregon
http://news.opb.org/article/14960-uw-scientist-tracks-airborne-mercury-china/

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2011, 11:54:40 pm »
Well they raised safe limits up to 250 millisvt for workers (half of the Federal Reserve's officially lawsuit-immune worker poisoning-standard) to allow the workers back in, but it must be way out of hand now.

Michio Kaku, a physics professor at CUNY, says they should take all their military planes and entomb the reactors Chernobyl style, with concrete.

Anyway, I do *not* agree with the idea that the uranium will spread in a dense form around the planet. It is very bad news for Tokyo, and that is who we should worry about.  

Michio is 100% correct this stupid ocean and water torturing is nonsense, and if all three of those fueled reactors go critical with no containment or controls and any one of them explodes it could easily be worse than or as bad or worse than Chernobyl for the whole country and China (or Russia). They should have been bombarding/burying them with boron or  sodium polyborate or gadolinium nitrate and concrete three days ago, as soon as it was clear all would be unsalvageable, after the first hydrogen explosion.

The recirculated raw salt ocean water cooling fiasco was an ignorant and irresponsible folly, that idiotic ploy permanently and irreversibly doomed the whole GE junk-piles to begin with - the loss of cooling is an unrecoverable and irreversible failure with this sort of toxic and self destructive fuel. Once "active unsafety kludges" have failed with this sort of a faulty design, there is no other passive solution but immediate entombment and burial.

They have lost precious time now with #2 that can go critical at any moment now and make it impossible to work there without massive Chernobyl scale worker casualties.

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2011, 12:10:15 am »
Those three reactors were in fact not "shut down" (decommissioned of fuel) they simply raised the fuel rods out of the moderating core. Now that the rods are burning and melting they (in pieces) can just fall/drop down back into the core due to gravity and no fuel cooling and the damn thing can start back up unevenly with no containment and unevenly to boot with no core cooling either.

They needed to have had a chance to SCRAM the thing with neutron poisons instead of screwing-around with sea water trying vainly to cool the mess

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2011, 12:13:59 am »
Workers allowed back into quake-damaged Japan nuclear plant

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/ts_nm/us_japan_quake_smoke

first comment is "this article is fake, no one is reporting it"

now in the same breath, the opposite. they removed the comment i mentioned in last post

Workers briefly abandon Japan nuclear plant as crisis worsens
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/wl_nm/us_japan_quake
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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2011, 12:45:08 am »
is this map accurate of radiation in Japan ??


http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=4870



http://radiationnetwork.com/ says

138-237 is danger level !?? (also from NHK World)

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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2011, 02:40:46 am »
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They have lost precious time now with #2 that can go critical at any moment now and make it impossible to work there without massive Chernobyl scale worker casualties."

Yes - in the USSR, they sent in prisoners to do a lot of the work, not explaining the true risk. They were burying a lot of radioactive material before they got sick.

A lot of the time we stage ethics questions such as 'if you saw a train that was about to hit a schoolbus, but you had the opportunity to hit a switch where the train could be directed down alternate tracks, except the bridge was out, should you do it?
   
More real life examples include joining foreign wars where there is a likelihood of x% of prisoners dying. Here, it seems horrifying to ask any worker to go in and fix this at very high risk of death, yet the contingency is far more people could die in Tokyo with more of a lottery of risk. Yet... there are all sorts of armed conflicts we refuse to get out of where a large fraction of participants are wounded or die.


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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2011, 02:43:24 am »
oh, another thing to point out about whether we should have broad skepticism towards engineering companies who make claims of safety. Are the engineers themselves overconfident, or there was coverup by the corporation due to profit incentive, or there is a limit to their knowledge?

One could point out that all the skyscrapers in Tokyo stood up. They were swaying visibly, but they all were engineering successes to a 9.0 earthquake.