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Group would like Pima County to secede from the rest of Arizona
« on: February 25, 2011, 04:39:03 pm »

Proposed "Baja Arizona" State Flag

Idea of Pima secession from state is real, organizers say
Could Baja Arizona be 51st state in US?

Pima County the 51st state?

A political committee made up of attorneys, including the former chairman of the Pima County Democratic Party, has been formed to try to get Southern Arizona to secede from the rest of the state.

Start Our State, which is asking other like-minded counties to join the effort, hopes to put the question before Pima County voters in 2012.

The concept of a Southern Arizona state - Baja Arizona - has been around for ages as a way to differentiate the region from its more conservative brethren to the north. The notion of secession has been bandied about, but there was never a serious effort in that direction - until now.

Overcoming that historical inertia, and the initial reaction from political observers, highlights the problem the group will face.

Pima County Supervisor Richard ElĂ­as teased that given his generational roots in Tucson, his family could serve as a namesake for the new state.

And Pima County Republican Chairman Brian Miller joked that his position would make him the leader of the new state's GOP. "I'm all for a promotion," he quipped.

But Paul Eckerstrom, co-chair of Save Our State, said it's not a ploy and not merely a political statement. He said the state Legislature has gone too far to the right.

In particular, a round of legislative measures challenging federal supremacy "really does border on them saying they don't want to be part of the Union any longer," he said.

"Well, I want to be part of the United States," Eckerstrom said. At a minimum, he said, the drive will send a message that Pima County doesn't want to go along with the priorities being outlined in Phoenix.

"It's no longer a laughing matter to me," Eckerstrom said, adding that his kids' futures are at stake. "I'm tired of hoping and praying that rationality will come to Phoenix."

The group's treasurer, Libertarian and public defender David Euchner, comes from a different political mind-set.

Euchner said Republicans were swept into office nationwide on a promise of helping to fix the economic and spending problems. "Meanwhile, every bill we've heard about here is either anti-abortion laws or anti-Mexican laws. These are not laws that are geared toward solving the real problems that we have."

Organizers concede that there are daunting hurdles. They must first get on the ballot, then get approval from the Legislature or from state voters to allow the exodus. A new state constitution would have to be approved, plus they'd have to get the OK from Congress and the president.

The committee hit its first hurdle hours after announcing the effort. It wanted the Pima County Board of Supervisors to put the issue on the ballot, but Chris Straub, chief civil deputy attorney in the County Attorney's Office, torpedoed that idea, saying the board doesn't have the authority. Straub also said citizens don't have the right to do something by initiative that the board can't do.

Eckerstrom said that doesn't matter. His group is prepared to circulate petitions statewide if need be.

"Our attitude is whatever it takes, we are going to follow that process," Eckerstrom said.

But is such a state viable?

Pima County has more than 1 million residents. That's comparable to the size of Rhode Island, and the county actually has a bigger population than seven other states, including Montana, Vermont, the Dakotas and Wyoming, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's 2009 estimates.

At 9,186 square miles, the county is also bigger than seven states, including Rhode Island, Connecticut and Delaware, according to the World Almanac.

And it has been done before, although the circumstances were far different. Read rest of article here:,_Arizona

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Re: Group would like Pima County to secede from the rest of Arizona
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 04:51:54 pm »
I would love for Pima County to secede from Arizona and become their own state because their socialist leanings will act like a magnet for all of the illegals.

If they love illegals, they can have them.  Why would illegals bother coming up to Phoenix, when the socialist trough is closer for the illegals to drink out of.

Gun bans, obeying DC mandates, free health care and education right at the border!  I can't wait for the Tucson metro area to reap what they sow! This Baja Arizona proposal will turn out as wonderful as Schwarzenegger's Kalifornia.

I wish them the best of luck in seceding and I hope Kyrsten Sinema's district in Mesa joins them too.

They can create a La Raza Paradise of gangbanging welfare recipients and what's left of the shrinking middle class is disarmed and unable to resist!!!

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Re: Group would like Pima County to secede from the rest of Arizona
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 03:06:29 am »
And so begins Balkanization?