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Schumer to Obama:
Use this false flag for burning the second amendment, do it before someone actually investigates the crime scene!
WE MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO APPEASE BILDERBERG AND THEIR MANDATE TO DISARM AMERICA!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/138163-schumer-asks-president-to-close-loophole-where-loughner-could-have-been-reported
By Bridget Johnson - 01/16/11 11:30 AM ET

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Sunday that he is penning a letter to President Obama asking him to close one of the gun-control loopholes that may have contributed to last weekend's shooting at a meet-and-greet in Tucson, Ariz. The shooting left six people dead and 13 wounded, included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), who was shot in the head and remains in critical condition. The suspect, Jared Lee Loughner, 22, is suspected to suffer from mental illness on the account of various reports and ramblings he had posted online. Loughner had tried to get into the Army, but was denied for "excessive" drug use. That, Schumer said on NBC's "Meet the Press," should have prevented Loughner from legally buying the Glock pistol allegedly used in the shooting rampage. But the Army was not required to notify the FBI of the "excessive drug use" rejection, which would have let law enforcement add his name to the database that would show up when checking a customer purchasing a gun. "There are certain things that can be done that don't even require legislation," Schumer said, adding that he was "writing to the administration this morning" to get President Obama to close that gap between the armed forces and law enforcement. But one of two doctors serving in the Senate said there was a deeper issue to be addressed about why a mentally ill person would have fallen through the cracks. "I think we're missing a bigger problem," Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) said. "We need to make sure we fix the right problem." Loughner, he said, is an "obviously unstable person" who had raised red flags and concern in "almost every encounter he had with people," but didn't get the treatment and diagnosis that would have stopped his ability to buy a gun. And someone "who's going to do something crazy," Coburn added, wouldn't pay attention to gun laws in the first place. Schumer, who authored the 1994 assault weapons ban with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), said he sees three areas with "possible bipartisan cooperation" to tackle in the wake of the shooting. First, he said, is looking at the laws in terms of someone who is mentally ill buying a gun; next is his initiative to make the armed forces notify the FBI of certain failed candidates; and third is a congressional effort to limit magazine clips to 10 rounds. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), with the backing of gun-control groups, are drafting a bill that would ban the sale of magazines such as the one reportedly used by Loughner. "The only reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun is to kill a lot of people very quickly," Lautenberg said in annoucing plans to introduce the bill when the Senate returns. "These high-capacity clips simply should not be on the market." Coburn said it's critical that guns laws don't "limit the ability to defend yourself." The Giffords shooting, he said, is a case of a "mentally deranged person who had access to a gun who shouldn't have had access to a gun."
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Hey Schumer...

INVESTIGATE MK ULTRA IF YOU GIVE A SHIT ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY!
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C'mon Schumer...you are concerned...so are we...

WHO ARE THESE ANTI-GOVERNMENT TRILATERAL TERRORISTS?

INVESTIGATE ALREADY!

Just answer one simple question...

WHY DID BRZEZINSKI COVER UP JONESTOWN!

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/gunny-g-jim-jones-and-jonestown-etc/
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fire20.htm


LT. COL. JAMES "BO" GRITZ AND JONESTOWN

The officer in charge of all U.S. Army Special Forces for Latin America at the time of the Jonestown holocaust was Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz. Gritz was the original soldier after which the movie character "Rambo" was patterned. Gritz was the most decorated soldier to come out of the Vietnam war.

The Guyana massacre was carried out by Bo Gritz' men (along with British SAS troops). *Flatland* (#10) magazine, in an interview with Gritz, asked him:

Question: You trained Special Forces that went into Jonestown? What was the precise nature of the operation?

"I don't know precisely because it was a compartmentalized operation. The only thing that I do know for certain is what the Sergeant I quote coming out of Jonestown, he was insistent because he was disgusted, on writing this book. He was, without compromise, going to call it *All the Niggers Are Dead.* I asked him, 'Why would you want to entitle anything such an offensive way?' 'It doesn't make a difference what your color, your creed, your sex,' he said, 'when you are treated the way they were, that's what you are; you're a nigger, you're nothing else.' I think that those soldiers saw things that affected them and made them very angry. I've seen other things like that in combat where there have been abuses. I wrote about one of them in my book where the Captain tortured the young severely and the young Sergeant put on a swastika and said, "If I'm going to act like a Nazi I'm going to look like one.' I think that the same kind of negative impact occurred in Jonestown."

Gritz has more about Jonestown in his autobiography, *Called to Serve.* Perhaps you simply cannot believe what I am telling you. Will you believe it if told to you by the Green Beret officer in charge of the men who did the killing? He admits that the information was "compartmentalized" and it was not until later that he learned what his men were actually doing. The following information is from pages 584-587 of his book:

"The true story of the Jonestown camp in Guyana has been brought to light through an extensive investigation conducted by John Judge, from Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., and other dedicated researchers and investigators. The truth, which was thoroughly suppressed by the American media, is that it was actually a slave-labor camp run by Jones with the assistance of the CIA. Most of the information which follows is from John Judge's summary of the investigation, supplemented with information provided by Special Forces teams I had earlier trained and commanded, who were sent in to 'clean up the remains of Jonestown.'

"Most of the black and Hispanic poor people and social activists who became the inmates of the camp were brought there either by force or coercion, or lured under false pretenses, where extensive experiments of drug-induced mind control were performed on them. Even before they were moved to Guyana, reports of beatings, kidnappings, sexual abuse and mysterious deaths had leaked out to the press about the earlier Peoples' Temple in Ukiah, California.

"Jim Jones had a very interesting past which was overlooked by the media: During the time his friend Dan Mitrione was teaching torture techniques to the Brazilian and Argentineans, Jones was also sent to Brazil where his house, transportation and groceries were provided to him by the U.S. Embassy, and he frequently traveled to Belo Horizonte, the CIA headquarters in Brazil.

"Jones had been contacted in Ukiah by 'Christian missionaries' from World Vision (World Vision is a CIA controlled front operation), an evangelical order which had performed espionage work for the CIA in Southeast Asia. Most of Jones' top lieutenants were from wealthy, educated backgrounds, many with connections to the military or intelligence agencies. These were the people who were involved in setting up the bank accounts, complex legal transactions and financial agreements which put people under the control of the Peoples' Temple.

"Some of Jones' Lieutenants were: Dr. Lawrence Layton was chief of Chemical and Biological Warfare Research at Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah for many years and later worked as Director of Missile and Satellite Development at the Navy Propellant Division at Indian Head, Maryland. His wife, Lisa, was the daughter of Hugo Phillips, who had represented the huge Nazi manufacturing cartel, I.G. Farben, as a stockbroker. Their daughter, Debbie, met and married George Philip Blakey, whose parents had extensive stock holdings in Solve Drugs, a division of I.G. Farben. Blakey was reputed to be training mercenaries in Jonestown who were sent to work with CIA-backed UNITA forces in Angola. Terri Buford's father, Admiral Charles T. Buford, worked with Naval Intelligence. Marie Katsaris' father was minister with the Greek Orthodox Church, thought to be a conduit of CIA funding, and she claimed she had proof he was a CIA agent. The 'official survivors' were represented upon their return to the U.S. by Joseph Blatchford, an attorney who had been named in a prior scandal involving CIA infiltration of the Peace Corps.


"The people who were taken from San Francisco to begin their 'new life' in Guyana were bussed to Florida and arrived in Guyana bound and gagged, where they were forced to work 16 hours or more daily, and were fed on minimum rations. As more and more rumors began to filter back to the United States of druggings, beatings, torture, sexual humiliations and coercion at the Guyana site, Congressman Leo Ryan decided to go to Guyana and verify the situation for himself. Ryan had challenged the CIA's overseas operations before, as a member of the House Committee responsible for oversight on intelligence. He was co-author of the controversial Hughes-Ryan Amendment, which would have required advance CIA disclosure to the congressional committees of all planned covert operations. The amendment would be defeated shortly after his death in Jonestown.

"With Ryan on the way to Jonestown, the secrecy surrounding the camp would be broken and desperate measures would need to be taken to keep the truth from escaping, much less the inmates. In a futile attempt to test their conditioning methods, the leaders at Jonestown apparently tried to implement an actual suicide drill, but it was obviously ignored. Official stories first numbered the victims at 408, but later revised the toll upward to 913. It was claimed that some 505 bodies had been covered by those of the first 408 who had fallen directly on top of them, confusing those who had been counting from aerial photographs. - a blatant and ridiculous attempt at cover-up.

"However, the first reports were true - 408 had died, and 700 fled to the jungle where British Black Watch troops and American Special Forces were conducting 'training exercises.' Of the 700, 505 who had been deliberately shot in the jungle were added to the count of those who had supposedly committed suicide by drinking cyanide-laced Kool Aid.

"The truth is that nearly 400 inmates were forced to die by injection, according to the Chief Guyanese medical examiner, Dr. Mootoo, who arrived at Jonestown within hours of the massacre. He found needle marks on the left shoulder blades of 80-90% of the victims, and the others had been shot or strangled.

"As Chief Medical Examiner, Mootoo's testimony to the Guyanese Grand Jury led to their conclusion that all but three of the people who had died at Jonestown were murdered by 'persons unknown.' Several pictures show the gunshot wounds on the bodies as well. The U.S. Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Schuler, told the press, 'No autopsies are needed. The cause of death is not an issue here,' and the forensic doctors who later performed the autopsies at Dover, Delaware, were never made aware of Dr. Mootoo's findings.

"Guyanese troops discovered a large cache of drugs, enough to control the entire population of Georgetown, Guyana (pop. 200,000), for over a year. One footlocker contained 11,000 doses of Thorazine, a dangerous tranquilizer, and others such as sodium pentothal (truth serum), chloral hydrate (a hypnotic), demerol, Thallium (confuses thinking), haliopareael and Largatil (powerful tranquilizers) and many others. It was very evident that Jonestown was a tightly-run concentration camp, complete with medical and psychiatric experimentation.

“Direct orders to cover up the cause of death came from the top levels of the American Government. Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s national security advisor, authorized Robert Pastor to order Lt. Col. Gordon Sumner to strip the bodies of the medical bracelets they had been forced to wear for identification. Pastor later served as Deputy Director of the CIA.

“One of the Special Forces sergeants assigned to the Jonestown massacre was so outraged about what he had witnessed that he had decided to describe the events in a book. While the Secrecy Act prevented him from detailing all that went on, SFC Inman carefully hid the entire story within his title: *All The Niggers Are Dead!* When I asked that he explain the crudeness of so naming his report, he replied, ‘Sir, that’s what they were. Both blacks and whites were niggers; that’s what any slave is; that’s what they were. That was our final radio message when the job we were assigned was finished.’ I could tell by his bitterness that the government had no fear that the book would ever be printed. He just needed someone to vent his anger on.

“Guyanese Prime Minister Forbes Burnham rose to power as the result of a CIA-inspired coup against the recalcitrant Guyanese leader Cheddi Jagan. Richard Dwyer, a CIA agent working as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Guyana, was shown to have been at the scene at the time of the massacre and at the airport strip, where he failed to order Guyanese troops, armed with machine guns, to defend Ryan and his staff.

“Chief Consular Officer Richard McCoy, who was described as ‘close to [Jim] Jones,’ worked for military intelligence and was ‘on loan’ from the Defense Department at the time of the massacre. Dan Webber, who was sent to the Jonestown site the day after, was also named as a CIA agent.

“U.S. Ambassador John Burke, who had served in the CIA since 1963 and had worked with Dwyer in Thailand, according to Philip Agee, tried to stop Ryan’s investigation. The State Department concealed all reports of violations at Jonestown from Congressman Leo Ryan, while the Embassy regularly provided Jones with copies of all congressional inquiries under the Freedom of Information Act.

“According to current reports, Jonestown has been ‘re-populated’ with over 1,000 Laotion Hmong people who grew opium and served under General Vang Pao during our ‘secret war’ in Laos and Cambodia. According to these reports, World Vision was also attempting to move the population from the island of Dominica to Jonestown.

“In addition to the already mentioned torture camp, Colonia Dignidad, another is reported to be located at Pisgua, Chile. Inside Guyana itself is another ‘religious community,’ named Hilltown, also operated under iron discipline, with 8,000 blacks from Guyana and the U.S. They were allowed to clear the Jonestown site of shoes and weapons, both of which are in short supply in Guyana. It may only be a matter of time before another Jonestown is exposed. It is sad to know that what started out to be an information gathering organization has turned into an instrument of the dragon.”



http://www.whale.to/b/jonestown.html

[2001] The Jonestown Massacre CIA Mind Control Run Amok? chapter from  70 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time By Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen

The Jonestown Jenocide by Robert Sterling

Jonestown (Project Blue) : The Whole Story by Gunther Russbacher

Militia Leader Talks, Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey

[2008] Jonestown, Harvey Milk, and George Moscone By Alex Constantine

[1995] Who Was Jim Jones? By Jason Jeffrey

Chapter Three [ THE FALSE MEMORY HOAX] Psychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. By Alex Constantine

WHAT THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU: JIM JONES WAS A CIA OPERATIVE CONDUCTING MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS

Book
Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?: A Review of the Evidence by  Michael Meiers

External
The Jonestown Genocide by Robert Sterling

Jonestown Was an Illuminati Experiment

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Jonestown was a CIA experiment to determine whether it was possible to establish a large mind-controlled slave labor force. Jim Jones was a CIA operative and former Housing Commissioner for San Francisco. Ukiah District Attorney Tim Stone was assigned the task of procuring state mental patients and transferring their guardianship to the Peoples Temple. Assisting Jones was former police chief Dan Mitrioni, a contract CIA operative, who previously had instructed Brazilian and Bolivian security personnel in advanced torture interrogation techniques. Prior to the purchase of the Guyana property, the entire staff of the Mendocino State Mental Hospital were dismissed and replaced by Jim Jones's personnel. According to mind-control survivors, Josef Mengele programmed inmates there, at that time period. One member of Jones's staff at Mendocino was allegedly the mother of O.J. Simpson. Perhaps this explains why one psychologist, very experienced in observing mind-control survivors, noted that during Simpson's trial, he displayed symptoms of alter-personality switching. STOP MISLEADING the CHILDREN, MR. JENNINGS by Brian Desborough

The People's Temple parishioners did NOT commit "suicide," despite widespread belief to the contrary. Most took forced injections under the shoulder blade, and some 30 percent were shot. There wasn't enough cyanide in a glassful of the punch to kill an adult. It killed children. The adults had to be murdered at the People's Concentration Camp by Jones's death squads.

    Jones was a Nazi with a KKK father. At the age of five, little Jimmy combed his hair in Hitler's style, and he delivered "funeral orations" over the dead pets of his friends - animals he'd murdered. Jones was Nazi, not "left-wing" (the charade is an echo of the National "Socialist" front used by the far-right Nazis to co-opt and kill off Germany's communist agitators in the wake of WW I).

    And it was not Jones's corpse found at Jonestown, but a double - CIA agents and Nazis do that (look into Heinrich Mueller's "death" at the close of WW II for the classic example. CIA recruit Joseph Mengele kept getting found in South America and had to "die" five times).

    Jones survived the carnage. (If the world believes otherwise, it should have a good talk with the CIA/military media. ... )

[2008] Jonestown, Harvey Milk, and George Moscone By Alex Constantine

Thorazine was used regularly at the CIA’s  Jonestown ,  Guyana group control experiment. Survivors of Jonestown have testified as to its effectiveness. After this gruesome experiment in mind control came to its end with a massacre, large amounts of drugs were discovered. Just one footlocker at Jonestown alone contained 11,000 doses. The authorities prevented chemical autopsies of the bodies to insure secrecy of this sophisticated concentration camp which was used for medical and psychiatric experimentation by the CIA. An examination of the drugs that are used in mental hospitals to alter the minds of patients offers a clear indication of what is being used in the Monarch Mind Control programming.  The Illuminati Formula 3. THE USE OF DRUGS

On page 584, Col. Gritz outlines the true story of the Jonestown, Guyana, camp massacre, and how Jonestown was actually a tightly-run concentration camp, complete with medical and psychiatric experimentation, run with the assistance of the CIA. The people who died didn't drink cyanide-laced Kool-Aid, as reported; half of them were cold-bloodedly murdered by hypodermic injection in the camp, and the other half who fled into the jungle were deliberately hunted down and shot in cold blood by British and American Special Forces troops. Col. Gritz spoke to an embittered SF Sergeant who'd taken part in the operation, and who subsequently wrote a book on the experience, entitled, "All The Niggers Are Dead!" When Col. Gritz asked him to explain the crudeness of that name, he replied, "Sir, that's what they were. Both blacks and whites were niggers; that's what any slave is; that's what they were. That was our final radio message when the job we were assigned was finished. "  (From the book CALLED TO SERVE, by Special Forces Lt.Colonel "Bo " Gritz, 1991, p. 524.)

"A few weeks ago there was a report out of Montreal about people winning cases against the CIA because they were utterly abused in the mental health clinic that was set up by the CIA in Canada. That all came down under Allen Dulles tried to make a Manchurian Candidate. I think the Jonestown incident was an extension of In Search of the Manchurian Candidate, I think those people were conditioned to act in certain ways and would have probably just moved from Montreal to Guyana, in this case. You look at Jim Jones' background carefully, he had a lot of intelligence contact there for doing exactly what he did.........It escalated once they killed congressman Leo J. Ryan; basically, they had no other way to go, so they just tried to self-destruct the whole mission. And that means the death of hundreds of people. As I point out in the book, the medical examiner there made some startling statements, and we wouldn't even allow the bodies to be properly examined when they were brought back in to the East Coast and turned in. So obviously it was a cover-up. Jonestown I think was an extension of Mk-Ultra from the CIA and there are probably other experiments going on........I think the Special Forces units were pulled together as an exterminator after it had reached a point where they had to destroy the evidence."--Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey

"I hope it is becoming clear to you the various levels that are used by the Intel community to get their job done. Remember Jonestown? It was one of ours that went sour because a "Clear Eyes" was in the group. "When he, the "Clear Eyes", began firing on the runway, it all self destructed. Congressman Leo Ryan, who was killed, knew it was a government operation. The "Clear Eyes" was accidentally, through a lone sequence, activated! There was no way to stop the killings.
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Chucky Schumer should know better, his state has draconian guns laws and the crime is soaring.  The Sullivan Act is ridiculous...in order for people to buy guns for protection they have to go through hoops--then put on a waiting list.  It is truly insane.

From Wiki:

"In 2010 the New York Post reported evidence the NYPD supervisors were under increased pressure to "fudge" crime stats by downgrading major crimes to minor offenses. However, the same researchers that provided the evidence "acknowledged that major crimes were at a historic low." Still, crime has surpassed 2009's rates so far this year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City


"Senator Charles Schumer has produced a letter from NYPD stating that he does not carry a gun permit from NYC.  In a statement from Brian Fallon, a Schumer aide, he "insisted that except for winning an NRA marksmanship award at age 14, the senator does not own a gun or have a license to carry one."

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I am sure Schumer is still provided with a bodyguard though...

Flash Back:

Wednesday May 14, 2003; 5:21 p.m. EDT

Gun Controller Schumer Has Armed Bodyguard

The Senate's leading gun control advocate, Senator Charles Schumer - who's currently pressuring the White House to extend the 1994 assault weapons ban - travels with an armed bodyguard, NewsMax.com has learned.

Questions arose Wednesday morning about the gun opponent's security arrangements after the New York Post's Cindy Adams mentioned in her column that Schumer appeared at a recent event with a bodyguard in tow.

A quick call to Schumer's office confirmed that the man guarding the Senate's number one gun controller was packing heat.

"He's a New York police detective," the Senator's spokesman revealed to NewsMax. When asked whether Schumer's detective was indeed armed, the spokesman replied, "I would imagine so."

Sensing a public relations problem in the making, the Senator's spokesman explained that his boss "believes in the second amendment and the right to bear arms."

"So I don't think there's anything inconsistent about it," he insisted.

In recent days Sen. Schumer has mounted a campaign to get the White House to actively press Republicans in Congress to back an extension of the 1994 assault weapons ban, which he sponsored.

"We hope the president will not just say he supports the ban but will work to get it passed," the New York Democrat told reporters last week, adding, "This will be a good measure of the compassion in his compassionate conservatism."

No doubt the good Senator's armed bodyguard agrees.
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After the New World Order assassins take out the person who would stop Schumer, he pisses on the corpse to introduce legislation he would have opposed.

What an asshole!

Shit Schumer, just ask Brzezinski about MK Ultra already. Low hanging fruit. I am sure he cannot wait to brag about it like he bragged about creating Al-CIA-duh in the 1970's.
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Chucky Schumer should know better, his state has draconian guns laws and the crime is soaring. 

  New Yorkers must be some of the dumbest people in the world.  If there is any place you need a gun, its in the state of NY.
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Flash Back:
Wednesday May 14, 2003; 5:21 p.m. EDT

Gun Controller Schumer Has Armed Bodyguard

priceless!
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Here's my latest...

Gun Crazy, or Gun Savvy.

By JT Coyoté

For a week, I've been info digging and fact foraging to no avail, for my column concerning the Tucson Arizona shootings.  Acquiring any factual information last week was futile. The agenda filled rhetoric and innuendo blasting on all sides in the print and broadcast media, was insane.  It was a week long blame-fest. Outlets seemed more interested in making political hay at the expense of fellow pundits, than fact finding and information sharing regarding the tragedy.  

While trying to sort this all out, I received an emailed link to an editorial titled 'Gun Crazy', by Summit Daily News Editor,  Alex Miller.  Being stymied in my fact gathering, and since Alex and I occasionally converse concerning firearms, I switched gears and snatched this opportunity to answer his points with historical and constitutional counterpoints.

Alex begins by citing the Second Amendment, the over punctuated 'post Civil War' Second Amendment that is.  The early Congressional record indicates only one comma in the Second Amendment, after the word 'state'.  This comma separates the 27 words into two dependent clauses, each modifying and explaining the other.  The post Civil War Second Amendment has two additional 'confusion creating' commas added.  One after the word 'Militia', another after the word 'Arms'.  The "original" Second Amendment with it's one comma, as below, can be seen at the US Government Printing Office website.

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Keep in mind, that to change even a comma in the Constitution, would require a constitutional amendment.  I don't recall such amendment, do you?  Anyway, this and other unconstitutional changes took place in the mayhem at the end of the Civil War surrounding Lincoln's assassination.  

A key word in the Second Amendment is the word 'regulated'.  Folks assume it means controlled, like under 'federal control'.  Though with that meaning it has only a few foundation document references, all suggesting very limited government control. Another meaning is that the militia be 'regulated' for proficiency.  That it be well schooled and well drilled for strategic and tactical advantage.  There are references dealing with this meaning too, yet the Founders warn us repeatedly against the Militia becoming a standing army under unlimited civil, federal, or state control.  

Now, the most documented and debated meaning of the word 'regulated'.  Alex leads us here with his personal story involving a muzzle-loading rifle that would have been 'state-of-the-art' when the Constitution was ratified.  Then as today, 'regulated' refers to a balance of power on a field of battle.  This was discussed at length during national debate which gave rise to the Bill of Rights, and is chronicled in the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers. Both camps discussed ideas for regulating the Peoples Power. They finally agreed if an enemy or potential enemy soldier had 'one', then the People, the Militia, may have 'one' as well.  To restrict this right would put the enemy at an unfair advantage.  ( The restrictive 1911 Sullivan Handgun Act, made NYC such a battlefield, for the last 100 years.)

Our founders were loyal.  Their government began extending Empire on their backs.  When government legislated away their guns they understood what that meant -- The beginning of Tyranny.  Look around you today. The entire population should not have to pay for the murderous actions of one man.  

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or even actual military weapons, is essential if a monopoly of force
is not to reside in the hands of government, where modern history
shows the potential for far greater abuses and crimes exists than
are possible for any deranged individual."
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Here is my latest...

Gun Crazy, or Gun Savvy.

By JT Coyoté

For a week, I've been info digging and fact foraging to no avail, for my column concerning the Tucson Arizona shootings.  Acquiring any factual information last week was futile. The agenda filled rhetoric and innuendo blasting on all sides in the print and broadcast media, was insane.  It was a week long blame-fest. Outlets seemed more interested in making political hay at the expense of fellow pundits, than fact finding and information sharing regarding the tragedy.   

While trying to sort this all out, I received an emailed link to an editorial titled 'Gun Crazy', by Summit Daily News Editor,  Alex Miller.  Being stymied in my fact gathering, and since Alex and I occasionally converse concerning firearms, I switched gears and snatched this opportunity to answer his points with historical and constitutional counterpoints.

Alex begins by citing the Second Amendment, the over punctuated 'post Civil War' Second Amendment that is.  The early Congressional record indicates only one comma in the Second Amendment, after the word 'state'.  This comma separates the 27 words into two dependent clauses, each modifying and explaining the other.  The post Civil War Second Amendment has two additional 'confusion creating' commas added.  One after the word 'Militia', another after the word 'Arms'.  The "original" Second Amendment with it's one comma, as below, can be seen at the US Government Printing Office website.

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Keep in mind, that to change even a comma in the Constitution, would require a constitutional amendment.  I don't recall such amendment, do you?  Anyway, this and other unconstitutional changes took place in the mayhem at the end of the Civil War surrounding Lincoln's assassination. 

A key word in the Second Amendment is the word 'regulated'.  Folks assume it means controlled, like under 'federal control'.  Though with that meaning it has only a few foundation document references, all suggesting very limited government control. Another meaning is that the militia be 'regulated' for proficiency.  That it be well schooled and well drilled for strategic and tactical advantage.  There are references dealing with this meaning too, yet the Founders warn us repeatedly against the Militia becoming a standing army under unlimited civil, federal, or state control. 

Now, the most documented and debated meaning of the word 'regulated'.  Alex leads us here with his personal story involving a muzzle-loading rifle that would have been 'state-of-the-art' when the Constitution was ratified.  Then as today, 'regulated' refers to a balance of power on a field of battle.  This was discussed at length during national debate which gave rise to the Bill of Rights, and is chronicled in the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers. Both camps discussed ideas for regulating the Peoples Power. They finally agreed if an enemy or potential enemy soldier had 'one', then the People, the Militia, may have 'one' as well.  To restrict this right would put the enemy at an unfair advantage.  ( The restrictive 1911 Sullivan Handgun Act, made NYC such a battlefield, for the last 100 years.)

Our founders were loyal.  Their government began extending Empire on their backs.  When government legislated away their guns they understood what that meant -- The beginning of Tyranny.  Look around you today. The entire population should not have to pay for the murderous actions of one man. 

"The right of civilians in a free society to possess "military-looking,"
or even actual military weapons, is essential if a monopoly of force
is not to reside in the hands of government, where modern history
shows the potential for far greater abuses and crimes exists than
are possible for any deranged individual."
~U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)


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This is so important and has helped me in avoiding bullshit debunking crapola about what the second amendment is. You have explained parts of this before in previous posts. This article leaves an imprenatable shield for many future discussions attacking the inalienable rights enforced under the second amendment. Thanks!
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JT,

You hit another one right out of the ballpark!  Great article!!
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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 11:49:18 pm »
f**king low level elitist hypocrite globie minion scum...

From the good folks at "keepandbeararms.com"...

Anti-gun Senator Chuck Schumer Shooting a TEC-9



"That Picture Of 'Chucky' shooting the TEC-9 was taken around the time that the Feinstein crowd had all of the "Black" guns sitting on a table in an ante room of Congress to show America (through a photo op.) how evil those black assault guns are or were. It was back in 1994 if memory serves me."  --Randy Smith

"Yes, this really is Sen. Schumer blazing away with a TEC-9. I remember seeing it, or one like, it on MSNBC.com several years ago, and forwarding the story to friends with the note that if Schumer weren't such an anti-gun putz, he'd have NRA-certified instructors on the range who would ensure that he had appropriate eye protection, and a proper grip and stance..."

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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 11:55:29 pm »



  These stories about these hypocrite gun-grabbers reminds me of when they had the Rodney King riots back in 1992.  The liberal Hollywood jerks called Charleton Heston asking him if they could borrow one of his guns.  He had a few guns in his basement.

       

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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 12:17:00 am »


  These stories about these hypocrite gun-grabbers reminds me of when they had the Rodney King riots back in 1992.  The liberal Hollywood jerks called Charleton Heston asking him if they could borrow one of his guns.  He had a few guns in his basement.

        

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What an impressive collection!  :o

I do miss Charlton--we both had the same birthdays!   ;D

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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 12:23:37 am »
What an impressive collection!  :o

I do miss Charlton--we both had the same birthdays!   ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw

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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 04:31:44 am »
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That, Schumer said on NBC's "Meet the Press," should have prevented Loughner from legally buying the Glock pistol allegedly used in the shooting rampage. But the Army was not required to notify the FBI of the "excessive drug use" rejection, which would have let law enforcement add his name to the database that would show up when checking a customer purchasing a gun. "There are certain things that can be done that don't even require legislation," Schumer said, adding that he was "writing to the administration this morning" to get President Obama to close that gap between the armed forces and law enforcement.

So Chucky wants to tag people for crimes they haven't committed, based on second hand information from a military recruiter? What would have been the crime to be black listed for the purpose of denying the guy something? That mentality is total tyranny. And his mentality of "certain things can be done" by avoiding legislation just adds to the fire. So in other words, he wants to get certain things done without having to actually bother the people which he represents. Interesting. Tyrannts also do certain things without input from the people they enslave.
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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 10:56:28 am »
JT,

You hit another one right out of the ballpark!  Great article!!

Thanks Donnay...

A lot of folks, even those in the movement are looking at the Constitution as archaic... It is not... Chucky and his ilk are of this bunch, btw...

Yet others see it as a growing living document, witness the last 13 Amendments which have empowered the corporate globalists at the expense of the people and the states, and to the determent of the Constitution itself... again it is not.

It is a timeless self correcting charter of liberty... that needs to be cleansed of the parasitic statutory crap that has been attached to it and to have the lawful language and punctuation that was added or removed over the last century or so restored to original...

The history surrounding the contrived Civil War, the unlawful destruction of documents, the post war coup and take over... all needs to be exposed, and laid WIDE OPEN... the only ones who win when the tool of Civil War is provocateured is the globalist instigators... all of the witting and unwitting chroniclers of that time both living and dead, " got some 'splainin' to do"... all of them.

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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 12:31:36 pm »
Thanks Donnay...

A lot of folks, even those in the movement are looking at the Constitution as archaic... It is not... Chucky and his ilk are of this bunch, btw...

Yet others see it as a growing living document, witness the last 13 Amendments which have empowered the corporate globalists at the expense of the people and the states, and to the determent of the Constitution itself... again it is not.

It is a timeless self correcting charter of liberty... that needs to be cleansed of the parasitic statutory crap that has been attached to it and to have the lawful language and punctuation that was added or removed over the last century or so restored to original...

The history surrounding the contrived Civil War, the unlawful destruction of documents, the post war coup and take over... all needs to be exposed, and laid WIDE OPEN... the only ones who win when the tool of Civil War is provocateured is the globalist instigators... all of the witting and unwitting chroniclers of that time both living and dead, " got some 'splainin' to do"... all of them.

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I totally agree JT.  Many people give props to Lincoln, and in all my research, it was Lincoln who took the original thirteenth amendment, and quite stealthy (with the help of others) put the slavery amendment in.  When in fact, he had wanted to send the Africans to Liberia and be done with it!

In a letter to the New York Tribune Lincoln wrote, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_on_slavery

I honestly believe if the original thirteenth amendment did not just disappear, and was enforced, we would not have seen this corruption we have seen since it's disappearance, and the likes of Chucky Schumer would be just be a lawyer and not a careered politician!
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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 12:39:01 pm »
From http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm:

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Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives


A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."


B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.

* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:

    * States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%; and

    * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.

* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee... or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award."

* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state. FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average.

* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.

    1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.

    2. And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.


C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.

* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.

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Re: Schumer to Obama: Burn the 2nd amendment already, WTF are you waiting for?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 01:46:10 pm »
You should not be surprised at Schumer, he believes that Bernanke and the Federal Reserve banking system is great, he also believes that there are Terrorists all around us and that the government needs to protect us, the bigger the better. So his opinion about the second amendment is consistent.

In the last election he won roughly the same percentage of votes as in 2004 even though less people voted.  He apparently has his supporters who will follow him to tyranny and a big bloated government with higher taxes.