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I would like to see a list of all who purchased that book to somehow leak out. Maybe an Amazon employee with a conscience.

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 05:07:10 pm »
Couldn't the book be deemed unlawful if it somehow incited illegal activity?

Unlawful books, that's scary.  I think the Nazis, Soviets, and Red Chinese tried something like that...
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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 05:09:55 pm »
Could this have been a flse-flag attack on first amendment rights?  Yes.

Is the book, by nature, child pornography and already illegal?  Yes.

Should the authors, publisher and any marketers (including Amazon) be up on charges of distributin child pornography?  Hell, yes.

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 05:25:19 pm »
Could this have been a flse-flag attack on first amendment rights?  Yes.

Is the book, by nature, child pornography and already illegal?  Yes.

Should the authors, publisher and any marketers (including Amazon) be up on charges of distributin child pornography?  Hell, yes.

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If a concerned parent buys the book to learn about pedophiles so they can better protect their children, should they be arrested?  What if a Law Enforcement Officer buys it to better understand techniques employed by pedophiles?

If a psychiatrist writes a book about pedophiles, and describes behavior of and techniques used by pedophiles, is that "child pornography"?  Should that book be banned?

Should Mein Kampf be banned?  The Communist Manifesto?  Mao's Little Red Book?

It's a really slippery slope when you start making ideas and books illegal.
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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 05:32:08 pm »
OK, well, in your opinion, should child pornography be illegal?

What distinguishes a work that advocates child pornography from kiddie porn as such?  Let's begin to define our terms.

Should law enforcement not be allowed to peruse works in order to determine their legality or illegality?  Obviously they must be allowed -- in the course of their legitimate work -- to do that.  If it is found that they are doing so for their own gratification, or to distribute in turn to others, then they must be prosecuted as any other individual IMO.

If private citizens want to take investigate these things on their own, it is very dangerous legally, but there are some groups that offer advice to those interested in pursuing action as private citizens.  I am not, at present.

Those who abuse the first amendment ARE the greatest enemies of it.

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 05:36:35 pm »
If a concerned parent buys the book to learn about pedophiles so they can better protect their children, should they be arrested?  What if a Law Enforcement Officer buys it to better understand techniques employed by pedophiles?

If a psychiatrist writes a book about pedophiles, and describes behavior of and techniques used by pedophiles, is that "child pornography"?  Should that book be banned?

Should Mein Kampf be banned?  The Communist Manifesto?  Mao's Little Red Book?

It's a really slippery slope when you start making ideas and books illegal.

Well said.
OK, well, in your opinion, should child pornography be illegal?

What distinguishes a work that advocates child pornography from kiddie porn as such?  Let's begin to define our terms.

Should law enforcement not be allowed to peruse works in order to determine their legality or illegality?  Obviously they must be allowed -- in the course of their legitimate work -- to do that.  If it is found that they are doing so for their own gratification, or to distribute in turn to others, then they must be prosecuted as any other individual IMO.

If private citizens want to take investigate these things on their own, it is very dangerous legally, but there are some groups that offer advice to those interested in pursuing action as private citizens.  I am not, at present.

Those who abuse the first amendment ARE the greatest enemies of it.


Obviously there is a noticeable difference between the written word and tasteful art and photos or videos of child pornography.

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 05:42:24 pm »
In your opinion, are there tasteful depictions of adult-child or child-child sex?

Where are you going with this?

Can't the written word be pornography?  Can't writings be child pornography?




I have to disagree with you and Monkeypox.  I'd like to hear from some other parents on this one, too.

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 07:24:40 pm »
In your opinion, are there tasteful depictions of adult-child or child-child sex?

Where are you going with this?

Can't the written word be pornography?  Can't writings be child pornography?




I have to disagree with you and Monkeypox.  I'd like to hear from some other parents on this one, too.

You disagree with me that there is a slippery slope when you start banning books?  Because that was the point of my post, in case you missed it.
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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 07:47:56 pm »
You disagree with me that there is a slippery slope when you start banning books?  Because that was the point of my post, in case you missed it.
I agree it is dangerous, but there are some materials that should not be distributed.  Are you for doing away wth all obscenity laws?  Should child pornography be legal, in your opinion?

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 08:07:24 pm »
I agree it is dangerous, but there are some materials that should not be distributed.  Are you for doing away wth all obscenity laws?  Should child pornography be legal, in your opinion?

Define child pornography.  Fictional written words?  Drawings? Photographs?  Video?  All of the above?

Should a book that describes torture and murder be legal?
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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 08:17:41 pm »
My Question is - If the government never got involved... how does this have anything to do with Free Speech?

If I own a book store, it is MY choice what books I do and don't sell.

At what point did the government get involved?

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 08:40:56 pm »
Define child pornography.  Fictional written words?  Drawings? Photographs?  Video?  All of the above?
Yes, it can be all of the above.

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Should a book that describes torture and murder be legal?
We can debate that until the cows come home, though I am not for making all works about murder illegal.  I used to like reading murder mysteries.

The fact is:  child pornography is illegal right now.  Period.  End of story.

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Re: New World Order Pedaphile Guide downloadable to your Amazon Kindle
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 10:14:50 pm »
Yes, it can be all of the above.
We can debate that until the cows come home, though I am not for making all works about murder illegal.  I used to like reading murder mysteries.

The fact is:  child pornography is illegal right now.  Period.  End of story.

So...a crime novelist writes a fictional book about a pedophile.  That is "child porn", and should be banned?

According to you, about 1/2 the episodes of Law & Order: SVU would be considered "child porn" and should be illegal.

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 11:20:13 pm »
This was not a fiction novel (non-prurient) about a child molester -- it was a work, ostensibly, advocating child moslestation.  It, therefore, should be classified rightly as child pornography.

I don't watch SVU, so I have no opinion on it or any specific episode of it.

(Though I admit I find an entire TV show dedicated to "rape" si somewhat disturbing and says something about my poor country, though I am not sure what it is.  If you are a fan, well...

I am sorry to hear that.)

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