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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #560 on: November 16, 2010, 04:36:23 pm »
I don't know you and you don't me.
Good.  Let's keep it that way.
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 I tried to be civil and courteous, but obviously you don't give a rats ass.
Calling my character into question is courteous in your book?  Interesting.  

You want a rat's ass, I'll get you a rat's ass.

I actually trap them all the time.

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  Fine.  I served my time in hell.
You haven't said which hell, but you might not be the only one to spend time there.

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 I've watched my friends die.
I'm forty-five.  Anybody my age has had friends die, too.  It's a pretty common experience here on planet Earth.

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After I did my time, I took a job where I could help my fellow brothers and sisters stop getting blown to hell.

By building devices to kill other people?  The "bad guys", right?

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 All I was doing was asking questions.
But you won't answer any. (Troll.  BTW, I don't throw that word around lightly.)


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 You say you are not sensitive.  I disagree.
Meh, like water off a duck's ass, or a rat's ass as the case may be,

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I was just trying to get some info
Yeah, right.  ::)

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and you took it personally.  
Random posters on internet forums affect me so much.

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I keep coming back to this, but I'll say it again, I'm just trying to get some information... simple as that.
And we have answered your questions.  Your turn.
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Hopefully there is some (sic) on this forum who is rational enough, and not so sensitive, that they could have a reasonable discussion.
Alas, man is not a "rational animal" as you suppose.  He is, however, an animal "rationis capax" as Swift says.  Are you specifically, capable of reason?  Demonstrate it.  Respond with evidence and logic.

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Lighten up Francis.
My name is not Francis -- or anything that ghey.  Not that there is anything wrong with it.

Yes, I have seen the movie, "Stripes".

Have a good one. ;D

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #561 on: November 16, 2010, 04:47:59 pm »
citizenx,

Good enough for me.  Thanks.   ;)

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #562 on: November 16, 2010, 04:51:49 pm »
Well glad you two worked stuff out...anyways.

Its not a plane.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #563 on: November 16, 2010, 04:53:36 pm »
Great.  I'll take your word on it.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #564 on: November 16, 2010, 05:00:51 pm »
citizenx,

Good enough for me.  Thanks.   ;)
Back atcha, big guy!
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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #565 on: November 16, 2010, 10:57:10 pm »
And yet another anonymous missile tech says it was definitely a missile (though he thinks the Chinese launched it -- a much more palusible theor than the contrial theory at least):

More On SoCal Missile From A Missile Tech



Author Unknown
11-13-10
 
"Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about. I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in the gun and missile systems on board Adams class guided missile destroyers, I have also worked with the Navy's Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems. (FireControl Techs operate, maintain and repair the computer, radar and periphial systems used to launch and guide the various naval weapon systems, we are the guys who "PUSH THE BUTTON").
  
Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA. Is blatantly a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform.
  
First, I know it's a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical "corkscrewing" trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to aquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidence system installed in it, what is nicknamed a "fire and forget" missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance...
 
  
...I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles...

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http://www.rense.com/general92/dve.htm

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #566 on: November 18, 2010, 10:44:11 pm »
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #567 on: November 19, 2010, 09:14:53 am »
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html
And more...

I had a further very interesting conversation with Dr. Bill Deagle. He now has a contact he says very deep inside who claims the word was that the missile is ours. That this contact was told so by someone (if I got this right) who was quote "very upset" over the incident. This smacks of the kind of inner turmoil we are hearing more and more about. Our military has white hats and of course black hats. They work at cross purposes. There have been coups in our government in the past. Such an incident as I mentioned several posts below sounds like a strategic move by one side... against the wishes of the other.And in addition, there seems to be something about a law against firing an ICBM off shore of a populated area like LA... which could account for the denials.
In the end, we both agreed more info is still needed. Because at the moment we are hearing that no Chinese sub could get within 35 miles of our coast without being 'allowed' in. So that rules out the Chinese, in theory anyway. What seems to be agreed is that it is made to look like it was the Chinese to raise suspicions and point in that direction for coming hostilities. The trouble with this line of logic is that the mainstream press is not picking up the missile story or at least the Chinese angle..for the most part. This may heat up as time moves on. Or if more incidents begin to create a pattern. It does seem that whereas at least one article indicated our military 'weren't worried' about it being a foreign missile. And in the same breath they are in essence denying it was ours. So if they aren't worried, then it has to be ours. But the question remains why deny something that would so easily leak out? And this is where the breakdown within the ranks comes in.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #568 on: November 19, 2010, 10:05:52 am »
The trade and currency wars with China are heating up. I am betting that we hear more about this missile in the coming days from TPTB to stir up their agenda.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #569 on: November 19, 2010, 04:54:01 pm »
[color]It does seem that whereas at least one article indicated our military 'weren't worried' about it being a foreign missile. And in the same breath they are in essence denying it was ours. So if they aren't worried, then it has to be ours. [/color]
Crux of the issue, IMO.

I still think the launch was ours and the missile might still have been ours as well.

I have had many issues with Deagle in recent days, but I think hi s anonymous source may be right.  It may turn out this has nothing at all to do with China, but that someone wanted to create an appearnce of association, though they had no plans to officially point the finger.

Rather like 9/11.  Innuendo would suffice.  Connections to al Qaeda, bin Laden, Afghansitan, the Taliban, and especially Saddam Hussein were wholly fictional  -- but still sufficient to be used to justified two protracted and deadly wars in the Near East and the imposition of a police state on America.

Innuendo is enough for these guys.  When they want them to, the propagandists can take it from there.

Maybe, they just decided not to go that far this time.  Maybe, they did "abort" after the fact (launch) and its aftermath.

Maybe too many people awake on this one too quickly.  Might be one in the win column (for truth).

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #570 on: November 19, 2010, 05:19:28 pm »
Unrelated?

Obama: NATO to erect missile shield for Europe

             ABC News  – Obama on START: 'No Higher' 'Security Priority'

             Associated Press Robert Burns And Julie Pace, Associated Press – 39 mins ago

LISBON, Portugal – President Barack Obama won NATO summit agreement Friday to build a missile shield over Europe, an ambitious commitment to protect against Iranian attack while demonstrating the alliance's continuing relevance — but at the risk of further aggravating Russia.

On another major issue, Obama and the allies are expected to announce plans on Saturday to begin handing off security responsibility in Afghanistan to local forces next year and to complete the transition by the end of 2014.

That end date is three years beyond the time that Obama has said he will start withdrawing U.S. troops, and the challenge is to avoid a rush to the exits as public opinion turns more sharply against the war and Afghan President Hamid Karzai pushes for greater Afghan control

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101119/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nato_summit

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We, of course, don't have to announce that we are building a missile defense system for America (though it is a violation of the ABM treaty  ;)).

We can sort of let the other powers "know" about it, by having a demonstration right off our coast though, and then call it a contrail so our people don't panic.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #571 on: November 19, 2010, 05:24:41 pm »
NATO agrees on missile defense system for most of Europe, the U.S.

From Elise Labott and Chris Lawrence, CNN
November 19, 2010 -- Updated 2145 GMT (0545 HKT)
Journalists work in the press centre of the NATO Summit on November 18, 2010 in Lisbon, Portugal.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: President Obama says NATO has agreed to develop a missile defense system
NEW: The system will cover all NATO countries in Europe "and the United States"
He talked during the first day of a two-day NATO summit in Portugual
One goal for the leaders is to reinvigorate the NATO alliance, 20 years after the Cold War

Lisbon, Portugal (CNN) -- Calling it a significant step forward for the alliance and European security, President Obama announced Friday that NATO will develop a missile defense system to safeguard most of Europe and the United States.

The agreement, according to the president, followed a year of talks to determine the best ways to coordinate efforts to protect members of the 61-year-old alliance.

The system would be "strong enough to cover all NATO European territory and populations, as well as the United States," Obama told reporters in Lisbon, Portugal.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/19/us.nato.summit/index.html?hpt=T2


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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #572 on: November 19, 2010, 05:44:39 pm »
Defence

Nato must continue operations 'beyond our borders'

Nato must be prepared to launch new military operations outside its own territory after it pulls out of Afghanistan, its secretary general has said.
 
Mr Rasmussen believes that Nato must be prepared to tackle potential security threats beyond its members' borders

By James Kirkup in Lisbon 7:03PM GMT 18 Nov 2010
 
Anders Fogh Rasmussen said alliance members must be willing and able to exercise military power "beyond our borders" to combat threats such as terrorism and missile attacks.

Mr Rasmussen spoke to The Daily Telegraph as Nato members prepared to gather today in Lisbon to plan the future role of the alliance.

After almost a decade of military operations in Afghanistan, some European Nato members have suggested that the alliance should focus on defending its home territory.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8144154/Nato-must-continue-operations-beyond-our-borders.html


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« Reply #573 on: November 19, 2010, 05:47:54 pm »
"missile shield" just for defence...
"nato" just for defence...

Strikes me as Owellian Double Speak.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #574 on: November 19, 2010, 05:56:34 pm »
A Single Global Authority. Holy crap are we in for a ride or what!
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #575 on: November 19, 2010, 06:08:44 pm »
Encircling Russia, Targeting China, NATO'S True Role in US Grand Strategy
by Diana Johnstone
 
Global Research, November 18, 2010
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On November 19 and 20, NATO leaders meet in Lisbon for what is billed as a summit on “NATO’s Strategic Concept”.  Among topics of discussion will be an array of scary “threats”, from cyberwar to climate change, as well as nice protective things like nuclear weapons and a high tech Maginot Line boondoggle supposed to stop enemy missiles in mid-air. The NATO leaders will be unable to avoid talking about the war in Afghanistan, that endless crusade that unites the civilized world against the elusive Old Man of the Mountain, Hassan i Sabah, eleventh century chief of the Assassins in his latest reincarnation as Osama bin Laden.  There will no doubt be much talk of “our shared values”.

Most of what they will discuss is fiction with a price tag.

The one thing missing from the Strategic Concept summit agenda is a serious discussion of strategy.

This is partly because NATO as such has no strategy, and cannot have its own strategy.  NATO is in reality an instrument of United States strategy.  Its only operative Strategic Concept is the one put into practice by the United States. But even that is an elusive phantom.  American leaders seem to prefer striking postures, “showing resolve”, to defining strategies.

One who does presume to define strategy is Zbigniew Brzezinski, godfather of the Afghan Mujahidin back when they could be used to destroy the Soviet Union.  Brzezinski was not shy about bluntly stating the strategic objective of U.S. policy in his 1993 book The Grand Chessboard: “American primacy”.  As for NATO, he described it as one of the institutions serving to perpetuate American hegemony, “making the United States a key participant even in intra-European affairs.” In its “global web of specialized institutions”, which of course includes NATO, the United States exercises power through “continuous bargaining, dialogue, diffusion, and quest for formal consensus, even though that power originates ultimately from a single source, namely, Washington, D.C.”

The description perfectly fits the Lisbon “Strategic Concept” conference.  Last week, NATO’s Danish secretary general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, announced that “we are pretty close to a consensus”.  And this consensus, according to the New York Times, “will probably follow President Barack Obama’s own formulation: to work toward a non-nuclear world while maintaining a nuclear deterrent”.

Wait a minute, does that make sense?  No, but it is the stuff of NATO consensus. Peace through war, nuclear disarmament through nuclear armament, and above all, defense of member states by sending expeditionary forces to infuriate the natives of distant lands.

A strategy is not a consensus written by committees.

The American method of “continuous bargaining, dialogue, diffusion, and quest for formal consensus” wears down whatever resistance may occasionally appear.  Thus Germany and France initially resisted Georgian membership in NATO, as well as the notorious “missile shield”, both seen as blatant provocations apt to set off a new arms race with Russia and damage fruitful German and French relations with Moscow, for no useful purpose.  But the United States does not take no for an answer, and keeps repeating its imperatives until resistance fades.  The one recent exception was the French refusal to join the invasion of Iraq, but the angry U.S. reaction scared the conservative French political class into supporting the pro-American Nicolas Sarkozy.

In search of “threats” and “challenges”

The very heart of what passes for a “strategic concept” was first declared and put into operation in the spring of 1999, when NATO defied international law, the United Nations and its own original charter by waging an aggressive war outside its defensive perimeter against Yugoslavia. That transformed NATO from a defensive to an offensive alliance. Ten years later, the godmother of that war, Madeleine Albright, was picked to chair the “group of experts” that spent several months holding seminars, consultations and meetings preparing the Lisbon agenda. Prominent in these gatherings were Lord Peter Levene, chairman of Lloyd’s of London, the insurance giant, and the former chief executive of Royal Dutch Shell, Jeroen van der Veer.  These ruling class figures are not exactly military strategists, but their participation should reassure the international business community that their worldwide interests are being taken into consideration.

Indeed, a catalogue of threats enumerated by Rasmussen in a speech last year seemed to suggest that NATO was working for the insurance industry.  NATO, he said, was needed to deal with piracy, cyber security, climate change, extreme weather events such as catastrophic storms and flooding, rising sea levels, large-scale population movement into inhabited areas, sometimes across borders, water shortages, droughts, decreasing food production, global warming, CO2 emissions, the retreat of Arctic ice uncovering hitherto inaccessible resources, fuel efficiency and dependence on foreign sources, etc.  

Most of the enumerated threats cannot even remotely be construed as calling for military solutions. Surely no "rogue states" or "outposts of tyranny" or "international terrorists" are responsible for climate change, yet Rasmussen presents them as challenges to NATO.

On the other hand, some of the results of these scenarios, such as population movements caused by rising sea levels or drought, can indeed be seen as potentially causing crises.  The ominous aspect of the enumeration is precisely that all such problems are eagerly snatched up by NATO as requiring military solutions.

The main threat to NATO is its own obsolescence.  And the search for a “strategic concept” is the search for pretexts to keep it going.

NATO’s Threat to the World

While it searches for threats, NATO itself is a growing threat to the world.  The basic threat is its contribution to strengthening the U.S.-led tendency to abandon diplomacy and negotiations in favor of military force.  This is seen clearly in Rasmussen’s inclusion of weather phenomena in his list of threats to NATO, when they should, instead, be problems for international diplomacy and negotiations.  The growing danger is that Western diplomacy is dying.  The United States has set the tone: we are virtuous, we have the power, the rest of the world must obey or else.  

Diplomacy is despised as weakness. The State Department has long since ceased to be at the core of U.S. foreign policy.  With its vast network of military bases the world over, as well as military attachés in embassies and countless missions to client countries, the Pentagon is incomparably more powerful and influential in the world than the State Department.

Recent Secretaries of State, far from seeking diplomatic alternatives to war, have actually played a leading role in advocating war instead of diplomacy, whether Madeleine Albright in the Balkans or Colin Powell waving fake test tubes in the United Nations Security Council.  Policy is defined by the National Security Advisor, various privately-funded think tanks and the Pentagon, with interference from a Congress which itself is composed of politicians eager to obtain military contracts for their constituencies.

NATO is dragging Washington’s European allies down the same path.  Just as the Pentagon has replaced the State Department, NATO itself is being used by the United States as a potential substitute for the United Nations.  The 1999 “Kosovo war” was a first major step in that direction.  Sarkozy’s France, after rejoining the NATO joint command, is gutting the traditionally skilled French foreign service, cutting back on civilian representation throughout the world.  The European Union foreign service now being created by Lady Ashton will have no policy and no authority of its own.

Bureaucratic Inertia

Behind its appeals to “common values”, NATO is driven above all by bureaucratic inertia.  The alliance itself is an excrescence of the U.S. military-industrial complex. For sixty years, military procurements and Pentagon contracts have been an essential source of industrial research, profits, jobs, Congressional careers, even university funding. The interplay of these varied interests converge to determine an implicit U.S. strategy of world conquest.  

An ever-expanding global network of somewhere between 800 and a thousand military bases on foreign soil.

Bilateral military accords with client states which offer training while obliging them to purchase U.S.-made weapons and redesign their armed forces away from national defense toward internal security (i.e. repression) and possible integration into U.S.-led wars of aggression.

Use of these close relationships with local armed forces to influence the domestic politics of weaker states.

Perpetual military exercises with client states, which provide the Pentagon with perfect knowledge of the military potential of client states, integrate them into the U.S. military machine, and sustain a “ready for war” mentality.

Deployment of its network of bases, “allies” and military exercises so as to surround, isolate, intimidate and eventually provoke major nations perceived as potential rivals, notably Russia and China.

The implicit strategy of the United States, as perceived by its actions, is a gradual military conquest to ensure world domination.  One original feature of this world conquest project is that, although extremely active, day after day, it is virtually ignored by the vast majority of the population of the conquering nation, as well as by its most closely dominated allies, i.e., the NATO states.  

The endless propaganda about “terrorist threats” (the fleas on the elephant) and other diversions keep most Americans totally unaware of what is going on, all the more easily in that Americans are almost uniquely ignorant of the rest of the world and thus totally uninterested.  The U.S. may bomb a country off the map before more than a small fraction of Americans know where to find it.

The main task of U.S. strategists, whose careers take them between think tanks, boards of directors, consultancy firms and the government, is to justify this giant mechanism much more than to steer it. To a large extent, it steers itself.  

Since the collapse of the “Soviet threat”, policy-makers have settled for invisible or potential threats.  U.S. military doctrine has as its aim to move preventively against any potential rival to U.S. world hegemony.  Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia retains the largest arsenal outside the United States, and China is a rapidly rising economic power.  Neither one threatens the United States or Western Europe.  On the contrary, both are ready and willing to concentrate on peaceful business.

However, they are increasingly alarmed by the military encirclement and provocative military exercises carried on by the United States on their very doorsteps. The implicit aggressive strategy may be obscure to most Americans, but leaders in the targeted countries are quite certain they understand what it is going on.

The Russia-Iran-Israel Triangle

Currently, the main explicit “enemy” is Iran.  

Washington claims that the “missile shield” which it is forcing on its European allies is designed to defend the West from Iran. But the Russians see quite clearly that the missile shield is aimed at themselves. First of all, they understand quite clearly that Iran has no such missiles nor any possible motive for using them against the West.  It is perfectly obvious to all informed analysts that even if Iran developed nuclear weapons and missiles, they would be conceived as a deterrent against Israel, the regional nuclear superpower which enjoys a free hand attacking neighboring countries.  Israel does not want to lose that freedom to attack, and thus naturally opposes the Iranian deterrent.  

Israeli propagandists scream loudly about the threat from Iran, and have worked incessantly to infect NATO with their paranoia.

Israel has even been described as “Global NATO’s 29th member”. Israeli officials have assiduously worked on a receptive Madeleine Albright to make sure that Israeli interests are included in the “Strategic Concept”.  During the past five years, Israel and NATO have been taking part in joint naval exercises in the Red Sea and in the Mediterranean, as well as joint ground exercises from Brussels to Ukraine. On October 16, 2006, Israel became the first non-European country to reach a so-called “Individual Cooperation Program” agreement with NATO for cooperation in 27 different areas.  

It is worth noting that Israel is the only country outside Europe which the U.S. includes in the area of responsibility of its European Command (rather than the Central Command that covers the rest of the Middle East).

At a NATO-Israel Relations seminar in Herzliya on October 24, 2006, the Israeli foreign minister at the time, Tzipi Livni, declared that "The alliance between NATO and Israel is only natural....Israel and NATO share a common strategic vision.  In many ways, Israel is the front line defending our common way of life."

Not everybody in European countries would consider that Israeli settlements in occupied Palestine reflect “our common way of life”.  

This is no doubt one reason why the deepening union between NATO and Israel has not taken the open form of NATO membership.  Especially after the savage attack on Gaza, such a move would arouse objections in European countries.  Nevertheless, Israel continues to invite itself into NATO, ardently supported, of course, by its faithful followers in the U.S. Congress.

The principal cause of this growing Israel-NATO symbiosis has been identified by Mearsheimer and Walt: the vigorous and powerful pro-Israel lobby in the United States.  

Israeli lobbies are also strong in France, Britain and the UK. They have zealously developed the theme of Israel as the “front line” in the defense of “Western values” against militant Islam. The fact that militant Islam is largely a product of that “front line” creates a perfect vicious circle.

Israel’s aggressive stance toward its regional neighbors would be a serious liability for NATO, apt to be dragged into wars of Israel’s choosing which are by no means in the interest of Europe.

However, there is one subtle strategic advantage in the Israeli connection which the United States seems to be using… against Russia.

By subscribing to the hysterical “Iranian threat” theory, the United States can continue to claim with a straight face that the planned missile shield is directed against Iran, not Russia. This cannot be expected to convince the Russians. But it can be used to make their protests sound “paranoid” – at least to the ears of the Western faithful. Dear me, what can they be complaining about when we “reset” our relations with Moscow and invite the Russian president to our “Strategic Concept” happy gathering?

However, the Russians know quite well that:

The missile shield is to be constructed surrounding Russia, which does have missiles, which it keeps for deterrence.

By neutralizing Russian missiles, the United States would free its own hand to attack Russia, knowing that the Russia could not retaliate.

Therefore, whatever is said, the missile shield, if it worked, would serve to facilitate eventual aggression against Russia.

Encircling Russia

The encirclement of Russia continues in the Black Sea, the Baltic and the Arctic circle.

United States officials continue to claim that Ukraine must join NATO.  

Just this week, in a New York Times column, Zbigniew’s son Ian J. Brzezinski advised Obama against abandoning the “vision” of a “whole, free and secure” Europe including “eventual Georgian and Ukrainian membership in NATO and the European Union.” The fact that the vast majority of the people of Ukraine are against NATO membership is of no account.  

For the current scion of the noble Brzezinski dynasty it is the minority that counts. Abandoning the vision “undercuts those in Georgia and Ukraine who see their future in Europe. It reinforces Kremlin aspirations for a sphere of influence…”  

The notion that “the Kremlin” aspires to a “sphere of influence” in Ukraine is absurd considering the extremely close historic links between Russia and Ukraine, whose capital Kiev was the cradle of the Russian state. But the Brzezinski family hailed from Galicia, the part of Western Ukraine which once belonged to Poland, and which is the center of the anti-Russian minority. U.S. foreign policy is all too frequently influenced by such foreign rivalries of which the vast majority of Americans are totally ignorant.

Relentless U.S. insistence on absorbing Ukraine continues despite the fact that it would imply expelling the Russian Black Sea fleet from its base in the Crimean peninsula, where the local population is overwhelmingly Russian-speaking and pro-Russian. This is a recipe for war with Russia if ever there was one.

And meanwhile, U.S. officials continue to declare their support for Georgia, whose American-trained president openly hopes to bring NATO support into his next war against Russia.

Aside from provocative naval maneuvers in the Black Sea, the United States, NATO and (as yet) non-NATO members Sweden and Finland regularly carry out major military exercises in the Baltic Sea, virtually in sight of the Russia cities of Saint Petersburg and Kaliningrad. These exercises involve thousands of ground troops, hundreds of aircraft including F-15 jet fighters, AWACS, as well as naval forces including the U.S. Carrier Strike Group 12, landing craft and warships from a dozen countries.

Perhaps most ominous of all, in the Arctic region, the United States has been persistently engaging Canada and the Scandinavian states (including Denmark via Greenland) in a military deployment openly directed against Russia. The point of these Arctic deployment was stated by Fogh Rasmussen when he mentioned, among “threats” to be met by NATO, the fact that “Arctic ice is retreating, for resources that had, until now, been covered under ice.”

Now, one might consider that this uncovering of resources would be an opportunity for cooperation in exploiting them. But that is not the official U.S. mindset.        

Last October, US Admiral James G Stavridis, supreme Nato commander for Europe, said global warming and a race for resources could lead to a conflict in the Arctic. Coast Guard Rear Admiral Christopher C. Colvin, in charge of Alaska’s coastline, said Russian shipping activity in the Arctic Ocean was “of particular concern” for the US and called for more military facilities in the region.

The US Geological Service believes that the Arctic contains up to a quarter of the world’s unexplored deposits of oil and gas. Under the 1982 United Nations Law of the Sea Convention, a coastal state is entitled to a 200-nautical mile EEZ and can claim a further 150 miles if it proves that the seabed is a continuation of its continental shelf.  

Russia is applying to make this claim.  

After pushing for the rest of the world to adopt the Convention, the United States Senate has still not ratified the Treaty.  

In January 2009, NATO declared the “High North” to be “of strategic interest to the Alliance,” and since then, NATO has held several major war games clearly preparing for eventual conflict with Russia over Arctic resources.

Russia largely dismantled its defenses in the Arctic after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and has called for negotiating compromises over resource control.  

Last September, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin called for joint efforts to protect the fragile ecosystem, attract foreign investment, promote environmentally friendly technologies and work to resolve disputes through international law.  

But the United States, as usual, prefers to settle the issue by throwing its weight around. This could lead to a new arms race in the Arctic, and even to armed clashes.

Despite all these provocative moves, it is most unlikely that the United States actually seeks war with Russia, although skirmishes and incidents here and there cannot be ruled out. The U.S. policy appears to be to encircle and intimidate Russia to such an extent that it accepts a semi-satellite status that neutralizes it in the anticipated future conflict with China.

Target China

The only reason to target China is like the proverbial reason to climb the mountain: it is there. It is big. And the US must be on top of everything.

The strategy for dominating China is the same as for Russia. It is classic warfare: encirclement, siege, more or less clandestine support for internal disorder. As examples of this strategy:

The United States is provocatively strengthening its military presence along the Pacific shores of China, offering “protection against China” to East Asian countries.

During the Cold War, when India got its armaments from the Soviet Union and struck a non-aligned posture, the United States armed Pakistan as its main regional ally. Now the U.S. is shifting its favors to India, in order to keep India out of the orbit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and to build it as a counterweight to China.

The United States and its allies support any internal dissidence that might weaken China, whether it is the Dalai Lama, the Uighurs, or Liu Xiaobo, the jailed dissident.

The Nobel Peace Prize was bestowed on Liu Xiaobo by a committee of Norwegian legislators headed by Thorbjorn Jagland, Norway’s echo of Tony Blair, who has served as Norway’s prime minister and foreign minister, and has been one of his country’s main cheerleaders for NATO.        

At a NATO-sponsored conference of European parliamentarians last year, Jagland declared: “When we are not able to stop tyranny, war starts. This is why NATO is indispensable. NATO is the only multilateral military organization rooted in international law. It is an organization that the U.N. can use when necessary — to stop tyranny, like we did in the Balkans.” This is an astoundingly bold misstatement of fact, considering that NATO openly defied international law and the United Nations to make war in the Balkans – where in reality there was ethnic conflict, but no “tyranny”.

In announcing the choice of Liu, the Norwegian Nobel committee, headed by Jagland, declared that it “has long believed that there is a close connection between human rights and peace." The “close connection”, to follow the logic of Jagland’s own statements, is that if a foreign state fails to respect human rights according to Western interpretations, it may be bombed, as NATO bombed Yugoslavia. Indeed, the very powers that make the most noise about “human rights”, notably the United States and Britain, are the ones making the most wars all over the world. The Norwegian’s statements make it clear that granting the Nobel Peace Prize to Liu (who in his youth spent time in Norway) amounted in reality to an endorsement of NATO.

“Democracies” to replace the United Nations

The European members of NATO add relatively little to the military power of the United States. Their contribution is above all political. Their presence maintains the illusion of an “International Community”. The world conquest being pursued by the bureaucratic inertia of the Pentagon can be presented as the crusade by the world’s “democracies” to spread their enlightened political order to the rest of a recalcitrant world.

The Euro-Atlantic governments proclaim their “democracy” as proof of their absolute right to intervene in the affairs of the rest of the world.  On the basis of the fallacy that “human rights are necessary for peace”, they proclaim their right to make war.

A crucial question is whether “Western democracy” still has the strength to dismantle this war machine before it is too late.

Note: Grateful thanks to Rick Rozoff for his constant flow of important information.

Diana Johnstone is the author of Fools Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusions:
http://www.amazon.com/Fools-Crusade-Yugoslavia-Western-Delusions/dp/158367084X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287635627&sr=8-1

She can be reached at [email protected]

Diana Johnstone is a frequent contributor to Global Research.  Global Research Articles by Diana  

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21999

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #576 on: November 19, 2010, 11:31:47 pm »
WND posted this today:

Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
'Muted response' was decision 'made by the president himself'

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #577 on: November 19, 2010, 11:36:32 pm »
And the Chinese just happened to shoot it off in the Pt. Mugu / China Lake Sea Range so that the American public would never know it was not an American launch -- how awfully thoughtful of them.

Frightfully considerate little chaps.

Coincidence theory strikes again.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #578 on: November 20, 2010, 12:19:38 am »
So if it was aimed at china WTF aren't they bitching up a storm about it?

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #579 on: November 20, 2010, 12:28:55 am »
It wasn't necessarily aimed (physically) at China.  Nevertheless, it might have been a shot across their bow so-to-speak, or Russia.

Test of anti-ballistic missile system?  Just prior to announcement of plans to build such a system for NATO vis-a-vis Russia and China.

Coincidence theory again.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #580 on: November 23, 2010, 11:35:41 am »
does no one think that this might be a predesessor to a detonation in a US city, blamed on a terrorist with a backpack nuke? the transition from an ICBM to an orbital warhead with a reentry contigency is not that hard. ANd the news has been slipping a reporting mystery terrorists one day only to be rebutted the next by the FBI. All seems a bit fishy, especially since Emanuel is leaving the White House to Mayor Chicago. By the time that happens, most people will have forgotten about this launch or will have bought into the disinfo about it being a contrail and will never make the connection.

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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #581 on: November 23, 2010, 02:01:36 pm »
Yes, remember the "backpack" could have easily been a missile.  Let's still pray and hope it does not come to that.  I was thinking that at the time, too.

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« Reply #582 on: November 24, 2010, 09:47:45 am »
Yes, remember the "backpack" could have easily been a missile.  Let's still pray and hope it does not come to that.  I was thinking that at the time, too.

If they are able to discredit the peoples own eyes and make them believe that they didn't see a missile launch, then it won't be hard to discredit reports of seeing the warhead falling from the sky in the aftermath of the destruction.

I agree that we should hope it doesn't come to that.

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« Reply #583 on: November 27, 2010, 05:12:17 pm »
...so basically they could drop a nuke in the middle of a city and blame it on a backpack bomber.

It's not like there would be any witnesses left to blow the whistle about seeing a bomb dropped.

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« Reply #584 on: November 27, 2010, 11:47:26 pm »
We have tactical nukes the size of a back pack, so why would we even have to drop anything?

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« Reply #585 on: November 28, 2010, 12:31:19 am »
God only knows what they've got.
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Re: ***Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Explains the LA Event and the Cover Up
« Reply #586 on: December 01, 2010, 02:00:57 pm »
blowback,

exactly.

Damascus,

its all about accountability. What is tracked, what's been "lost".

besides, you get a larger kill zone with an elevated detonation. not to mention a greater fallout area.

I hope I am wrong,

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http://en.dagongcredit.com/about/speach.html

idk if anyone noticed this, surely they did, but this ceo more or less says that he wants to replace the us dollar as the national standard, and even almost sounds a bit zealous there at the end pretty creepy if you ask me