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Mohammed al-Shaibah, Air Cargo Director for Yemenia Airways said to Yemen Post, "No UPS cargo plane left Yemeni lands over the land 48 hours. These accusations are false and baseless."http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=2705&MainCat=3 If we get the tail numbers from these planes, can we get the flight info for these aircraft? I am going back through old reports now and am having no luck finding any mention of tail numbers.

Anyone with knowledge on aircraft, please jump in here and tell me if we can verify the flight paths of these planes supposedly from Yemen.

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sky news leading with this at east midlands airport

can`t make much of anything out on it !
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not photos of the tail numbers . . . how strange
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Wouldn't the airport that these planes were to originally have listed the flight number and other details?
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There seems to be no tail numbers in any of the photos

inexplicable (:()
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Its a CIA jet. Enough said
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which is great we know it was an MD11 but the trail stops there - unless anyone here is familiar with those plane tracking sites that allow you to track planes? (can`t be that many coming from Yemen right?)
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2010, 09:38:47 am »
Do cargo planes not have tail numbers?


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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2010, 09:40:05 am »
Thats what I was thinking but they should have a number lower down on the side - they use it to ID themseleves to ATC

UNLESS#

TPTB got smart and figured that we`d check this and so used planes that are not traceable???
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2010, 09:41:22 am »

No tail numbers.....?

What about a flight number?
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2010, 09:50:56 am »
so I managed to get this from flightstats all flights out of yemen`s main airport yesterday (Sana'a) - but it does not list anything to UK

Destination Flight Rating Airline Sched Actual Gate Status Equip Track
KRT Khartoum  IY 632     Yemen Airways  01:00    Unknown  738   
JED Jeddah  IY 514     Yemen Airways  01:00    Unknown  310   
NBO Nairobi  QR 6533   Qatar Airways  01:11    Unknown  ABY   
ADD Addis Ababa  IY 622     Yemen Airways  01:30    Unknown  310   
IST Istanbul  TK 837       Turkish Airlines  01:45  02:02   Landed    21 min  73W     
CAI Cairo  MS 692           Egyptair  04:30    Landed  On-time  738   
CAI Cairo  IY 8692 ^        Yemen Airways  04:30    Landed   On-time  738   
HOD Hodeidah  FO 170      Felix Airways  06:30    Unknown  CR2   
HOD Hodeidah  IY 9170 ^     Yemen Airways  06:30    Unknown  CR2   
GXF Seiyun  FO 184          Felix Airways  07:00    Unknown  CR7   
GXF Seiyun  IY 9184 ^     Yemen Airways  07:00    Unknown  CR7   
BEY Beirut  IY 643           Yemen Airways  07:30    Unknown  310   
BEY Beirut  ME 3300  ^    Middle East Airlines  07:30    Unknown  310   
DXB Dubai  IY 821           Yemen Airways  08:30    Unknown  738   
DXB Dubai  GF 5951 ^      Gulf Air  08:30    Unknown  738   
TAI Taiz  FO 160             Felix Airways  08:30    Unknown  CR2   
TAI Taiz  IY 9160 ^       Yemen Airways  08:30    Unknown  CR2   
ADE Aden  FO 612          Felix Airways  09:00    Unknown  CR7   
RUH Riyadh  IY 532         Yemen Airways  09:00    Unknown  738   
RUH Riyadh  SV 6175 ^    Saudia  09:00    Unknown  738   
ADE Aden  IY 9612          Yemen Airways  09:00    Unknown  CR7   
KWI Kuwait  IY 825         Yemen Airways  09:35    Unknown  310   
KWI Kuwait  KU 6825 ^    Kuwait Airways  09:35    Unknown  310   
RIY Riyan  FO 150            Felix Airways  10:00    Unknown  CR7   
DXB Dubai  EK 962           Emirates  10:05  09:57   Landed   On-time  332   
CAI Cairo  IY 602             Yemen Airways  10:45    Landed   On-time  310 
Destination Flight Rating Airline Sched Actual Gate Status Equip Track
JED Jeddah  IY 506          Yemen Airways  13:00    Unknown  738   
JED Jeddah  SV 687          Saudia  14:15  14:08   Landed   On-time  320   
AMM Amman  RJ 709         Royal Jordanian  14:30  14:35   Landed
  On-time  320   
AMM Amman  IY 8709 ^     Yemen Airways  14:30  14:35   Landed   On-time  320   
ADE Aden  IY 9880            Yemen Airways  15:00    Unknown  CR7   
ADE Aden  FO 880             Felix Airways  15:00    Unknown  CR7   
TAI Taiz  FO 166               Felix Airways  16:00    Unknown  CR2   
TAI Taiz  IY 9166 ^           Yemen Airways  16:00    Unknown  CR2   
DOH Doha  QR 453             Qatar Airways  16:40  16:19   Landed   On-time  320   
ADE Aden  FO 806              Felix Airways  18:00    Unknown  CR7   
ADE Aden  IY 9806 ^          Yemen Airways  18:00    Unknown  CR7   
HOD Hodeidah  FO 172        Felix Airways  18:15    Unknown  CR2   
HOD Hodeidah  IY 9172 ^    Yemen Airways  18:15    Unknown  CR2   
ASM Asmara  IY 630     Yemen Airways  18:45    Unknown  310   
RIY Riyan  IY 507         Yemen Airways  19:00    Unknown  738   
RUH Riyadh  SV 683      Saudia  19:45  19:43   Landed   On-time  320   
RUH Riyadh  IY 8683     Yemen Airways  19:45    Unknown  MD9   
ADE Aden  IY 520         Yemen Airways  20:30    Unknown  738   
RIY Riyan  FO 250         Felix Airways    20:30    Unknown  CR2   
FCO Rome  IY 740        Yemen Airways  23:20    Landed   On-time  310 
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2010, 09:55:30 am »
An aircraft registration is a unique alphanumeric string that identifies a civil aircraft, in similar fashion to a licence plate on an automobile. In accordance with the Convention on International Civil Aviation all aircraft must be registered with a national aviation authority and they must carry proof of this registration in the form of a legal document called a Certificate of Registration  at all times when in operation. Most countries also require the aircraft registration to be imprinted on a permanent fireproof plate mounted on the fuselage for the purposes of post-fire/post-crash aircraft accident investigation.

Because airplanes typically display their registration numbers on the aft fuselage just forward of the tail, in earlier times more often on the tail itself, the registration is often referred to as the "tail number".
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2010, 09:57:10 am »
The mystery deepens......
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2010, 09:58:45 am »
Maybe though they do not list cargo flights?
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2010, 09:59:19 am »
fed x seems to have numbers   


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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2010, 10:01:54 am »
this is not the plane but you can see this one has a number


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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2010, 10:03:45 am »
found this interesting photo   

this was posted with the photo
This is beautiful news!  Yesterday President Obama along with the other members of the G-8 set a lofty goal to reduce global carbon emissions by 50% by the year 2050. Along side that wonderful news was this:

UPS, according to their annual sustainability report released Tuesday, plans to replace many of their old airplanes with a new, more eco-responsible fleet that will reduce their carbon emissions by 20%!

This significantly adds to their overall carbon emissions reduction which is  cumulative reduction of 42% since 1990.

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2010, 10:04:51 am »
thats cool Carlee - It seems then that the pictures on TV are purposefully avoiding showing the numbers
or the press has been corralled into one area where they can not capture the number

I`m guessing ALL UPS flight numbers end in UP


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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2010, 10:16:18 am »
Hey carlee, where did you find that photo? Was it in a related story?
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2010, 10:17:12 am »
We could of course FOI UPS / FED EX for the tail numbers . . .
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2010, 10:21:02 am »
Hey carlee, where did you find that photo? Was it in a related story?
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2010, 10:34:42 am »
Here you can find information about the N code
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0257.shtml

The N means a us aircraft........
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2010, 10:39:51 am »
I emailed the BBC and asked them why they were not covering the rebuttal by yemen - no response but they just mentioned a release from UK Yemen embassy to that effect

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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2010, 10:40:04 am »
A fourth plane has also been detained in England. Local and federal authorities are investigating suspicious packages aboard a UPS plane that landed at Philadelphia International Airport at about 9 a.m. from Paris, France, and a plane, from Cologne, Germany, that has been isolated near the UPS terminal.

The plane from Germany landed in Philadelphia at about 8 a.m. and was scheduled to depart at 10:30 a.m. for Louisville, Kentucky.
Authorities say the incident in Philadelphia began when a crew member aboard the plane from Paris notified authorities on approach about a suspicious package. The two crew members safely exited the aircraft after landing in a remote area of the airport.

At about the same time, another plane landed safely at Newark International Airport and was isolated, and a fourth plane en route to Chicago was detained in Birmingham, England. Authorities say the packages may have originated out of Yemen. http://www.aircrashobserver.com/e107/news.php?item.2138.3

Another question is, Just where was the package found? seems odd a crew member is just wondering around thru packages.....
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2010, 10:42:22 am »


My eyes are not this good but there is a tail number - anyone?
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2010, 11:09:34 am »


My eyes are not this good but there is a tail number - anyone?
I tried blowing it up then looking at it with a 45x microscope only  still looks like a blob

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2010, 11:11:08 am »
hmmm i cant make it out either paerhaps someone can see it thou
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2010, 11:21:07 am »
OK, I believe I have a flight number on the one that was headed to Kentucky
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do

Flight 5X 204

"A fourth plane has also been detained in England. Local and federal authorities are investigating suspicious packages aboard a UPS plane that landed at Philadelphia International Airport at about 9 a.m. from Paris, France,"
http://www.aircrashobserver.com/e107/news.php?item.2138.3

Now, Can we get a N number with the flight number?
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2010, 11:36:50 am »
here is a pic of the # on the tail of the ups plane that was stopped at newark liberty airport,i believe.
...this was taken during a local broadcast,the special breakin news report that day.

assuming all the flight # protocols are the same..the last 2 letters are usually UP



so: N---UP

to me it looks like N?20UP

...can't make out that initial # that well...possibly a 1?..  N120UP



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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2010, 11:49:34 am »
Re: Flight 5X 204

Thats one of them for sure - it was supposed to fly onward but has not

http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=207870267&airlineCode=5X&flightNumber=204

UPS 204 Tracking is not enabled for this flight.

Flight: (5X) UPS 204
Status: Landed   888 minutes late 
 
Departure: (PHL) Philadelphia International Airport
Scheduled: 9:26 AM (runway) 
Actual: 12:19 AM (runway) 
 
Arrival: (SDF) Louisville International Airport
Scheduled: 10:56 AM (runway) 
Actual: 1:44 AM (runway) 
 
 
Flight Tracking is available for active flights originating or arriving within the United States, Canada and Europe. Flight tracking also depends upon the cooperation of the airlines and the completeness and accuracy of the data they submit. As a result, we are not currently able to track flights from some airlines such as Lufthansa and British Midland.
 

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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2010, 11:57:10 am »
OK,

Here is a screen capture of the flight that was held in Philly



Flight number 5X204
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Re: Can anyone identify the planes containing suspicious packages from yemen?
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2010, 12:14:02 pm »
Check this out:
http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/UPS

History of UPS flights here, but have to register.
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2010, 12:20:36 pm »
Got it......

Suspicious packages on UPS aircraft, no explosives
By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Oct 29th 2010 16:25Z, last updated Friday, Oct 29th 2010 21:25Z

The US Transportation Security Administration ordered several flights of UPS to be searched for suspicious cargo after a suspicious toner cartridge had been found on a UPS flight in East Midlands,EN (UK) today around 03:30L (02:30Z).

The suspicous cartridge, reported as bomb by a TV station, proved negative on tests for explosives. The TSA at this point does not yet rule out a radiological background however.

The TSA said, the suspicious toner cartridge appeared to be manipulated.

The flights currently searched in the USA:

- 5X-218 Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) to Philadelphia,PA (USA), B763 N306UP
- 5X-204 Cologne (Germany) to Philadelphia,PA (USA), MD11 N286UP
- an unidentified flight from Europe to Newark,NJ (USA), according to FAA radar tracks only one UPS aircraft arrived in Newark from Europe, flight 5X-208 Cologne (Germany) to Newark,NJ (USA), B763 N303UP


At the time of the alert in East Midlands UPS flight 5X-232 from Cologne (Germany) to Philadelphia,PA (USA) via East Midlands, a B763 registration N330UP, was on the ground at East Midlands having arrived at 02:30L (01:30Z). The flight departed again at 04:30L (03:30Z) on schedule after the originally suspicious package was found harmless.

The FBI reported, that none of the packages found in the US contained any explosives. The packages originated in Yemen and were sent by the same sender.

The President of the United States of America Barack Obama said in a televised speech, that a credible terrorist threat existed. Packages located in England and Dubai (United Arab Emirates) appeared to contain explosives.

http://avherald.com/h?article=432cf13e&opt=0
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