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UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« on: December 12, 2007, 08:54:59 am »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7139724.stm

Ban on imitation Samurai swords 
 
Imitation Samurai swords: Cheap on the internet
Imitation Samurai swords are to be banned after a spate of attacks in the UK, say ministers.
The Home Office has confirmed plans to outlaw the weapons in England and Wales after putting forward the idea earlier this year.

Home Office minister Vernon Coaker said there was a clear danger to the public posed by easily-available swords.

The proposal is expected to stop short of banning genuine Japanese swords held by collectors or genuine enthusiasts.

In March 2007 the Home Office proposed banning imitation Samurai swords after representations from both MPs and the public. Ministers in Scotland had proposed a similar move in 2006.

  In the wrong hands, samurai swords are dangerous weapons

Vernon Coaker,
Home Office minister


Defending the sword

Calls for a ban came after a number of high-profile incidents in which cheap Samurai-style swords had been used as a weapon.

The Home Office estimates there have been some 80 attacks in recent years involving Samurai-style blades, leading to at least five deaths.

While genuine Samurai swords are part of Japanese history and change hands for large sums of money, there is a trade in imitation blades which can be bought over the internet for as little as £35.

Jail threat

Under the proposals, the government will ban the import, sale and hire of Samurai swords from April 2008.

Anyone breaching the ban will face six months in jail and a £5,000 fine.

However, ministers say they have recognised there is a special case for exemptions for genuine collectors of the original weapons and acknowledge there is a legitimate role for the blades in some forms of martial arts.

Vernon Coaker said: "In the wrong hands, samurai swords are dangerous weapons - there have been a number of high profile, serious incidents involving samurai swords in England and Wales in recent years.

"It is therefore crucial that we take this action to tackle the menace of violent crime.

"We recognise it is the cheap, easily available samurai swords which are being used in crime and not the genuine, more expensive samurai swords which are of interest to collectors and martial arts enthusiasts."

 
Thomas Roe: Jailed recently in Lincoln

In 2000 Andrew Pennington - an aide to former Liberal Democrat MP Nigel Jones - was murdered when Robert Ashman attacked both men at a constituency surgery in Cheltenham.

And at the beginning of December this year a Lincoln man was jailed after using a Samurai-style sword to murder a passer-by whom he thought had attempted to rape his wife.

The Association of Chief Police Officers has backed the Home office move saying that while the weapon is relatively uncommon, there is justification for a ban.

While genuine collectors such as museums will still be able to trade in the weapons, it remains unclear what measures will be put in place to prevent people from buying cheap blades via the internet, already considered a major marketplace for the swords.

 

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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2007, 09:20:47 am »
LOL I have like two of them

One is carbon steel and one is stainless steel and there both sharp.

They one us all disarmed.

Another victim disarmorment act.

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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2007, 01:08:48 pm »

  In the wrong hands, samurai swords are dangerous weapons


lol, again...

No guns - so they blame swords.

Take away the swords, people will use bare hands and rocks.
And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2007, 01:14:48 pm »
I have about thirty swords.

So this situation is basically like the movie Braveheart...


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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2007, 06:48:53 pm »
Those Brits are an unruly lot.

Tough laws and even tougher enforcement are required to keep 'em in line.

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2007, 07:12:37 pm »
"In the wrong hands, samurai swords are dangerous weapons."

Well, let's ban cars then too, because in the wrong hands, those are dangerous weapons!

And while we're at it, lets ban ALL things that "can be dangerous in the wrong hands": baseball bats, kitchen knives, rope, nails, forks, hammers, crowbars, pencils, water (you could use it to drown someone!), chainsaws, golf clubs, pillows (suffocation!), etc.  ::)

I mean really, this is going way too far.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2007, 08:16:55 pm »
I mean really, this is going way too far.

you would think so...

personally, i think the penny will drop when the money does, when the standard of living goes down far enough. unless they're just planning to swoop in with all their new currencies etc

i dont know though, they do have a plan, and we know parts of it, but exactly how it will come about is still not entirely clear. one thing i do know, is we are having an effect, they knew there would be resistance, but i dont think they expected it to be quite like this.

anyway, its ridiculous with all the laws and regulations we have today, and whats more, people actualy buy the bullshit they give as the reason why we need those laws. people seem to think the quote that goes "those who would sacrifice liberty..." is just a little nice thought that doesnt really mean anything, that it really would be best if government decided whats best for us, because people are just so gosh darn evil. and if thats not enough for ya, there's always the boogyman!
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2007, 08:24:45 pm »
The quote I always keep in my head that scares the crap out of me is one from a british lady from the movie Terrorstorm, IIRC, which goes "I think people should give up their liberties for freedom."

That kind of double speak is more prevalent in the general public than some realize, I think. Sure, half of the population is going to speak out against this, but the other half is going to roll over and say, "Well, at least we're safer now!" But all it really means is now, crooks are safer, because now not only can you not defend yourself with a gun, you can't use a sword! Give it two years, they'll be banning compound bows.
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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2007, 11:01:15 pm »
LOL I have like two of them

One is carbon steel and one is stainless steel and there both sharp.

They one us all disarmed.

Another victim disarmorment act.
ditto.  i have several myself.  i agree with the opinion that its simply another victim disarmament act.

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 10:48:45 am »
And only a few months ago Fuhrer Brown was saying we need more laws establishing self defense, even though they were just a back-door way of enabling community support officers to use physical force, now he takes away swords.
Mace is already illegal.
So are handguns.
What, then, are the British to do if they are attacked by one of the many, many criminals in our country? Bleed on them? run away and let them have your stuff?

We have been transformed into a nation of cowards and consumers. Bonaparte was right, a nation of shopkeepers.
It's a disgrace.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 03:39:37 pm »
And only a few months ago Fuhrer Brown was saying we need more laws establishing self defense, even though they were just a back-door way of enabling community support officers to use physical force, now he takes away swords.
Mace is already illegal.
So are handguns.
What, then, are the British to do if they are attacked by one of the many, many criminals in our country? Bleed on them? run away and let them have your stuff?

We have been transformed into a nation of cowards and consumers. Bonaparte was right, a nation of shopkeepers.
It's a disgrace.


Hmmm, I left the comp for a while and I know I read what you said but I can't remember if I said anything to it.  But I guess I'll just say again that you are right.  This is what THEY want.  They want you to be weak consumers.  In essence, a slave..

This is why humans need to learn how to fight.  Martial arts, meditation, education, etc.  Don't follow the routine.  It's pointless.

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 11:58:53 pm »
fighting is simply standing up for what one believes. you dont necessarily always need a weapon like a gun or a sword to be able to fight. but you are right, zafada, you have to strive to live to be able to fight.

mickswann, i know what you mean. i work in a bar part time, and just seeing all these mindless people drinking and blathering on about nonsense just really rams it home for me. i use the opportunity to ask as many people as i can, questions about current events, like the ID card, the war, the EU. do you know whats wierd though, its mostly the older generation that get it, what i mean is, they understand the implications. for instance, the idea of handing over national sovriegnty, actualy means something to the previous generation, but like our generation, they dont really care as long as this titilation of status and greed can be continued. like if you said "individual rights" to a guy over 40-50, then they would be able to understand that, in terms of the antithesis of socialism, equality, and nature of rights. but a person of 16-25, would just go "huh, yeah, i guess". but almost everyone i meet just has this sense of having given up, decided that they are just going to get as much as they can for themselves in this life, until they die. a sad existance if you ask me, but, i will always try to do my best to show there's a choice, even when you cant see it very clearly, there's always the choice.

i'll tell you what though, come jan 1st, things'll get a bit clearer. the status quo is breaking, and showing no signs of slowing down, i just hope we have the courage to see this through, the courage to make the right choices.
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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2007, 08:42:23 am »
aLLyOuRbAsE:

I've just gone from living in central London to living on the north coast of Scotland in a very remote village.
The change in the people is amazing. The focus up here is more social than financial, quite unlike the city. The nearest town is 35 miles, the nearest supermarket is a 100 mile round trip away, so people learn to lend and share.
At first I thought it was amazing, now I realize that I may well be living in one of the last functional communities in Britain.
I'm sure it won't last, there are already rumblings about them putting a police station here...then we move to the islands.
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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2007, 02:38:23 pm »
1) Yes, us Brits are a bit unruly, most of us like a beer and a scuffle at the football or anywhere else where there is beer and..........well, beer!!


2)Yes, in the wrong hands a Samurai sword IS dangerous.


3)In the wrong head, a brain is dangerous!!! (see 'politicians')


In conclusion to these few facts, I say 'BAN BROKEN GLASS!!!', 'BAN SHARP OBJECTS!!!', 'BAN SHARP TONGUES IN ILLEDUCATED WOMEN!!!, in fact I say BAN ANYTHING THAT CAN INJURE OR KILL ANY HUMAN BEING, EVEN IF NOT USED BY ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO INJURE OR KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, also ANY ACTIVITY DURING WHICH A HUMAN BEING MAY INJURE OR KILL HIM OR HERSELF, SUCH AS MAKING A CUP OF TEA, WALKING SOMEWHERE OR EVEN BREATHING OUR POLLUTED ATMOSPHERE !!!


4) Oh yeah, 'BAN BREATHING!! IT'S DANGEROUS!!!'


There, if I've missed anything dangerous we SHOULD ban, then please do not hesitate to contribute.



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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2007, 09:27:18 pm »
aLLyOuRbAsE:

I've just gone from living in central London to living on the north coast of Scotland in a very remote village.
The change in the people is amazing. The focus up here is more social than financial, quite unlike the city. The nearest town is 35 miles, the nearest supermarket is a 100 mile round trip away, so people learn to lend and share.
At first I thought it was amazing, now I realize that I may well be living in one of the last functional communities in Britain.
I'm sure it won't last, there are already rumblings about them putting a police station here...then we move to the islands.


london is warped, in more ways than one. its like a whole little world unto itself.

i must say im jealous, i dont like living in london, and i would like to move to much more rural environment, but thankfully (i guess) my hand is seemingly going to be rather forced come next year, when ID cards and the EU comes into swing.


limeygeeza, i know what you mean, people have lost their heads, they cant see the forest from the trees if you catch my meaning? as long as the pill has a sugar coating, it goes down easy no matter whats inside.

i find when i talk with people, i make them feel guilty, and do you know what i say to them, "well good, you bloddy well should do!". people have got to understand the real meaning of things that happen, they have to understand what it means to allow government to dictate what is morally acceptable.
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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2007, 11:40:38 pm »
I have a samurai sword and plus a double edged sword my brother gave me as a gift........

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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2007, 02:40:06 am »
london is warped, in more ways than one. its like a whole little world unto itself.

i must say im jealous, i dont like living in london, and i would like to move to much more rural environment, but thankfully (i guess) my hand is seemingly going to be rather forced come next year, when ID cards and the EU comes into swing.


ID cards will be a whole new level of hell. It will be interesting to see how many people refuse to hold one. I think it may become as unpopular as the poll tax, I imagine that's why they will put Cameron (RIIA) in for a term, after all, no-one does "police state" quite as well as the Tories, it's their "bag" as the youths like to say.
I'm also sure that the RIIA's Cameron will oversee the inevitable response to the equally inevitable MI5/P2OG "terrorist outrage" at the Olympics in 2010.

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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2007, 11:10:04 am »
Will a Wilkinson Sword be outlawed too, for the barbaric and callous slaying of facial hair?!! After all, on the wrong face it could be lethal !!  ;)

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Re: UK to ban dangerous samurai assault swords
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2007, 02:02:24 pm »
This has already happened here in Australia!


Samurai swords face the chop
Saturday April 3, 06:21 PM
Samurai style swords and machetes wielded by criminals during violent assaults could be banned in NSW, the state government said.
Announcing a review of prohibited weapons, the NSW government also revealed it had destroyed 30 tonnes of weapons since a NSW gun amnesty was introduced last October.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/040403/2/oevx.html

Attacks spark sword ban
March 8, 2004 - 1:39PM
   
Swords will be banned in Victoria under new laws to be introduced from July.
Police Minister Andre Haermeyer today said owners of swords, which are currently listed as controlled weapons, would have to hand them into police or sell them to a dealer under the new laws.
Anyone caught in illegal possession of a sword could face up to six months in prison or a $12,000 fine.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/08/1078594279264.html



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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2007, 12:25:26 am »
I have a samurai sword and plus a double edged sword my brother gave me as a gift........

Nice, I had a replica wakisashi that I bent the hell out of by trying to cut down a sapling when with a machete you can do that with one swipe.

I have a handmade, folded steal tibetan broadsword.  I have four saber-like broadswords.  Three of them are replicas and one is actually oiled and sharpened for bloody tournament use.  Yummy.  I have a chinese spear, another handmade machete, and my favorite...a pakistani broadsword.  There are supposed to be two but my ex-gf stole it.  That **.  Oh, and carbonized steel blades like the ones vin desiel used in chronicles of riddick  That one actually fell through the tendon on my left foot because it fell out of bracers I had on my arm.  This asian chic wanted me to dress up all warrior like.  Kinky.  I have a crapload of throwing knives which are actually somewhat annoying considering you have to time the force with distance when throwing it otherwise it won't do crap.  Oh and my favorite is a handmade tibetan knife that was actually used against the chinese.

I should really sell these and get better weapons before we're not allowed to do so.  Here in Connecticut there are many places that actually sell all the old school wu shu weapons.  Like sun and moon, weighted darts, three sectional cudgels, etc

If you're interested in martial arts, you should check out pa gua, hsing-i, open/closed crane, etc.  Pa gua is almost like tai chi in the sense that it's a soft martial art based on self defense rather than destroying your enemy.

Anyway, enough bragging for me.