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Offline Waltraut

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Right now I just finished making dinner and decided to turn on CNN. It has Soledad O'Brien interviewing Wayne Williams, the Atlanta serial killer who was responsible for the deaths of a list of children.

They're spending about 10 minutes on the topic of William's article or biography claiming he was being trained by the CIA when he was around 19 years old in order to be sent into Africa to play roles in various countries where they might need spies or there were regional conflicts.
  Williams keeps refusing to respond to 90% of the questions, but I can't believe that CNN would put this on prime time if he was schizophrenic or loony. He ended with the statement that he didn't work for them, but he was trained by them.

Now..  I'm familiar with the idea that Ted Kaczynski did psychiatric tests for the CIA, and they tested unknowing victims with drugs in MKULTRA. But most of the time I turn off when people tell stories about secret CIA training, because it sounds like fiction in more than half of the cases.

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Speaking of Manchurian candidate types, the next story had the reporter going around to dozens of the cleanup workers in the gulf, trying to get any one of them to give him short statements, and all of them had been told they'd be fired if they talked to press so they just turn their heads or say this 7 word statement BP had given them.
   They are acting like a horde of zombies, but they all look like working class southern types. Basically, these guys are oppressed peasants like in Mexico or something.
  I bet many of these people have a different self image of themself, as having more dignity and independent thought, but they are controlled by need of a paycheck so they won't even dare speak up about this company screwing up the whole state.

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Okay - now they put the transcript up. It is here

O'BRIEN: Did you ever meet Patrick Baltazar?

WILLIAMS: No, I did not.

O'BRIEN: Never been in contact with that kid?

WILLIAMS: I don't even know a Patrick Baltazar.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): We offered to show the DNA findings to the stepmother, Sheila Baltazar.

SHEILA BALTAZAR, MOTHER OF MURDERED CHILD: I can't read it. Please don't make me read it. Oh, my god!

O'BRIEN: So we told her what the FBI report said; Wayne Williams cannot be excluded as the source of those two hairs. She listened. Then this.

BALTAZAR: Without a shadow of a doubt, I really in my heart believe that Wayne Williams killed Patrick Baltazar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next, trained to kill.

O'BRIEN (on camera): Were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? Could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put them in a choke hold.

WILLIAMS: I'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold.


O'BRIEN (voice-over): When we returned to prison for our final interview with Wayne Williams, we had one question he was not expecting, what Wayne had written about being recruited for espionage training as a teenager. At a secret government camp hidden in the woods near this north Georgia lake, where he was given what could amount to a license to kill.

(on camera): It's called finding myself. What is finding myself? It reads like an autobiography.

WILLIAMS: Go ahead. I'm listening.

O'BRIEN: It's an account of your CIA training.

WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into that.

O'BRIEN: Why not?

WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into that.

O'BRIEN: I have a copy of it.

WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into it.

O'BRIEN: Why not?

WILLIAMS: We're simply not going to get into it. O'BRIEN (voice-over): By his account, Wayne was fresh out of high school, just 18 years old, when he was approached by an associate of an old World War II spy living in the Atlanta area, and was initiated into a secret world.

(on camera): You're not going to answer a single question on this.

WILLIAMS: No, ma'am.

O'BRIEN: Is it fake? Is it fictional writing?


O'BRIEN: Did you work for the CIA?

WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into it.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): In these pages, he said he spent his summer weekends in those woods, learning how to handle plastic explosives, hand grenades, and something even more chilling.

(on camera): So I'll do the talking part and you can answer what part of it you want. You write how you fired rifles, sub-machine guns, handled assault weapons, grenade launchers, C-4, learned unarmed combat techniques, through this training group over weekends. Is it true or is it false?

WILLIAMS: I'm not going to comment on it.

O'BRIEN: When you were 19 years old? You're saying you worked for the CIA. You've been recruited.

WILLIAMS: I'll let the document speak for itself. I'm not going to comment on that.

O'BRIEN: Did you work for the CIA?

WILLIAMS: I cannot comment on that.

O'BRIEN: Copyright 1992 by Wayne Williams. Is this an autobiography?

WILLIAMS: I cannot comment on that.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): In his own words, Wayne Williams said this was part of a secret plan to send young black agents into the worst trouble spots in Africa in the late 1970s. He wrote that he finished training, then withdraw from the program.

(on camera): Either this is a true story and you have been trained in evasive tactics, exfiltration techniques, weapons use, unarmed combat techniques, which would include a deadly choke hold, or it is made up.

WILLIAMS: Let me ask one question. Where did you obtain that?

O'BRIEN: I can't tell you that.

WILLIAMS: Now, there we're talking.

O'BRIEN: You're a newsman. You knew the answer to that question before you asked it.

WILLIAMS: OK. I was --

O'BRIEN: Is it true? It's got your name on it.

WILIAMS: I will say this.

O'BRIEN: Were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? Could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put them in a choke hold? Because that's what that is.

WILLIAMS: I'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold.

O'BRIEN: When I talked to the military experts and I say to them what exactly does that mean, that's one of the things on their list. Top two things, by the way.

WILLIAMS: I wouldn't doubt that.

O'BRIEN: So are you trained --

WILLIAMS: Let me say this.

O'BRIEN: I'm asking such straightforward questions.

WILLIAMS: I understand that. I understand that. But again, I ask you to understand my position on this. Let's say that that were true, that were the case -- or let's just say that I had some experiences that I do not want to comment on today for reasons that the document says, OK? The fact is, what does that have to do with the situation today?

O'BRIEN: Everything.

WILLIAMS: You tell me.

O'BRIEN: It has everything to do with it. A big part of the conversation when I talked to your lawyers was, could Wayne Williams grab somebody? Did he have the strength? He's not a big guy. Could he --

WILLIAMS: I see what you're saying.

O'BRIEN: Could he grab someone in an unarmed technique and kill someone. Your attorneys would say, he's not a big guy. So you're telling me, yes, in fact I was trained by the CIA, which is basically what this document says, in a nut shell, on weekends when I was a teenager, and I am trained in the choke hold technique. That's one thing.

If you're telling me that, no, that never happened, but you're writing a long fantasy about being trained with the CIA in weaponry, and the choke hold technique, that takes it a whole other direction.

(voice-over): Remember, doctors said at least two of the victims, and perhaps more, were probably killed by choke holds.

(on camera): Do you know how to kill someone with a choke hold?

WILLIAMS: I'm sure --

O'BRIEN: That's a straightforward question. I can answer that. My answer would be, no, sir, I do not know. What's your answer to that?

WILLIAMS: Let me say something to that.

O'BRIEN: That's a yes or no answer.

WILLIAMS: No, it's not.

O'BRIEN: Yes, it is, actually.

(voice-over): Not until the very end of our prison interview did we come close to a real answer.

(on camera): It is a very simple question. Can you kill someone with a choke hold?

WILLIAMS: You probably could. You probably could under the right circumstances.

O'BRIEN: I know for a fact I could not. I know you're being facetious. I know for a fact I could not. Were you trained as a teenager to do that? That's what you're writing in this. And I get CIA, you don't want to talk about it. It's all off the record.

WILLIAMS: Let me state this for the record. OK, I think in the paper that you have -- and I will say this, that it says that was contact with a certain program. And I will say it was the joint officer -- excuse me, the junior officer training program, which was run by a certain agency, and you're correct, CIA. But I never said that I worked for them.

O'BRIEN: Now who is splitting hairs? Were you trained --

WILLIAMS: I had some contact with some person and that's all I'm going to say.

O'BRIEN: Were you trained in these techniques?

WILLIAMS: That's all I'm going to say.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): He did acknowledge it was CIA training, but said no more.

So is this true? Or only a fantasy in his mind? The mind of a man the courts have found to be a killer.

We'll leave that question with you. (on camera): The verdict is now yours to decide. At the top of the hour, to go Three choices, guilty, innocent, or not proven either way. As we leave you, here are some of the answers from those who lived through the terror 30 years ago.

(voice-over): The prosecutor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Obviously, guilty.

O'BRIEN: The defense attorney.

WELCOME: Not proven, one way or the other.

O'BRIEN: The FBI agent in charge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of two double homicides.

O'BRIEN: Sheila Baltazar.

BALTAZAR: He could have killed all of them.

O'BRIEN: The Supreme Court justice.


O'BRIEN: The witness.

HENRY: Guilty.

O'BRIEN: Camille Bell.

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That was a weird story in many ways.
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Re: Soledad O'Brien interviews Atlanta Child murderer on his CIA training???
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2011, 06:36:48 pm »
Wayne Williams was convicted of murdering two adults; the Atlanta Child Murders are still unsolved.
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Re: Soledad O'Brien interviews Atlanta Child murderer on his CIA training???
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 06:58:37 pm »
There may be a connection to other CIA assets trained in foreign areas...

Ex IRS Officer, Michele Bachmann has staff member formerly arrested by Uganda
He reportedly said he worked for the CIA
He could be a patsy in CSIS's planned false flags to be blammed on a 'White Christian Terrorist'
By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, August 17th, 2011 -- 5:17 pm

A campaign staffer for Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) was arrested and imprisoned by the Uganda government's secret police for alleged terrorism-related activities in 2006, according to The Atlantic. Peter E. Waldron of Wyoming told The Atlantic he was responsible for Bachmann's faith-based organizing in Iowa and South Carolina. He was arrested along with six Congolese and Ugandan nationals for possession of four illegal guns and 184 rounds of live ammunition in February 2006 while working as an Information Technology consultant for the Ministry of Health. He had been living in Uganda since 2002.

"Michele's faith is an important part of her life and Peter did a tremendous job with our faith outreach in Iowa," Bachmann's press secretary told The Atlantic. "We are fortunate to have him on our team and look forward to having him expanding his efforts in several states."

He spent 37 days imprisoned in the Luriza Prison outside Kampala, where he was reportedly tortured, before the terrorism charges against him were dropped thanks in part to pressure from the Bush administration. After his release, Waldron returned to the U.S., where he has worked as a Republican political consultant since the late 1980s.

The Ugandan inspector general said Waldron was suspected of having ties to a group in the Democratic Republic of Congo and was conspiring to set up a Christian political party in Uganda.

But Waldron told the Christian TV talk show Herman & Sharron in 2009 that he was falsely accused of terrorism by an informant and denied having any weapons.

During the interview, he said that "Biblical principles are eternal" and "must be applied today in light of the recent election," because the United States had turned "to socialism, away from our historic democracy, our republic, our free enterprise, our capitalist system."

"I have worked in every presidential campaign since 1980," Waldron wrote on his Facebook page July 27. "One's faith is always critical to me. Alan Keyes and Dr. Gary Bauer were terrific Christian, pro-life candidates.  Yet, I've never worked for a candidate more anointed, in love with the LORD, and has a Biblical World View like Michele Bachmann. She is an extraordinary woman of God and Member of Congress. She will make a great President."
The Michele Bachmann staffer arrested for alleged terrorism 'after being found with assault rifles in Africa'
By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 12:49 AM on 18th August 2011

A Michele Bachmann staffer who helped her win the Ames Straw Poll in Iowa Saturday was charged with terrorism in Uganda after being arrested for possession of assault rifles and ammunition in February 2006. Peter E. Waldron spent 37 days in the Luriza Prison outside Kampala, where he says he was tortured, after being arrested along with six Congolese and Ugandan nationals for the weapons, which were described variously in news reports as having been found in his bedroom or a closet in his home. The charges, which could have led to life in prison, were dropped in March 2006 after a pressure campaign by Waldron's friends and colleagues and what Waldron says was the intervention of the Bush administration.  He was released and deported from the east African nation.  On Saturday, Waldron told The Atlantic website in Ames that he was a staffer for Bachmann and responsible for her faith-based organising both in Iowa and South Carolina.  But the website says he also declined repeatedly to give his name. Asked about Mr Waldron's role and background, Mrs Bachmann's press secretary Alice Stewart replied in an email: 'Michele's faith is an important part of her life and Peter did a tremendous job with our faith outreach in Iowa. 'We are fortunate to have him on our team and look forward to having him expanding his efforts in several states.' Waldron's ordeal and life are the inspiration for a film The Ultimate Price: The Peter E. Waldron Story from Big Promise Production.  The synopsis of the film that accompanies the trailer released on YouTube earlier this year reads:

'Lebanon. Iraq. Syria. Afghanistan. Pakistan. Uganda. India. For over 30 years, his family never knew where he went - never knew what he did. Based on a true story, Dr. Peter Waldron was on a mission. Was he a businessman, a preacher, a spy? Tortured and facing a firing squad, he never broke his oath of silence. What secret was worth the ultimate price?

Mr Waldron, a Republican operative since the late 1980s, had been in Uganda since 2002 and was at the time of his arrest working for the Africa Dispatch newsletter.

According to reports in 2006, he was working on a pilot study of a new health-care information technology management system.

One Ugandan paper alleged he was working with Congolese rebel militia members to capture Joseph Kony, the leader of the Ugandan guerrilla group the Lord's Resistance Army, and claim a $1.7 million bounty on his head being offered by the International Criminal Court in The Hague. The paper claims the planning for the operation was botched, leading police to Waldron's house and the guns. But the Kampala Monitor reported that the inspector general of police 'told a news conference Waldron was suspected of links to a group in neighboring Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and planned to set up a political party here based on Christian principles.' Mystery man: Waldron, played by an actor, in a scene from the film based on his life, The Ultimate Price. Mr Waldron, on his website, says he was 'falsely accused of being a spy by the Uganda government's secret police,' leading to his arrest.

One man who knew Mr Waldron in 2004 told The St. Petersburg Times in 2006 that Mr Waldron had told him he used to work for the CIA.

The question of whether or not Mr Waldron has worked as a spy is prominently teased in the trailer for the movie based on his life. At the time of his arrest, Waldron was hailed on one blog as being 'the latest victim of Christian persecution in Africa.' His allies seeking to free him said he was being persecuted for his reports in the Africa Dispatch newsletter about Ugandan opposition activities, and that he denied that he owned or was storing weapons.

Dave Racer, who worked to free Mr Waldron in 2006, said on Wednesday that, at the time, there was 'an allegation that Peter was involved in gun-running, I believe he was accused perhaps of fomenting some uprising against [Ugandan] President Museveni.' He said: 'It's not possible from here to know what was fact. There's just no way to know.  'From here, it looked like he was a victim of political persecution.' Mr Waldron has been described as a leader of various organisations, including Advancing American Freedom (co-founder); Christians Restoring America's Greatness (founder and president); Cities of Faith Ministries (founder); the Contact America Group, Inc. (president); and The Save The Family Foundation (president). From 1995 to 1999 he ran the Rising Stars Education and Sports Foundation in Florida, according to The St. Petersburg Times, taking in $600,000 from state and local governments, and he later had an affiliation with "the Rocky Mountain Technology Group, a Montana software development company," according to the paper. This year's was his third Ames Straw Poll organizing campaign, Mr Waldron said on Saturday.  On his website, he says he also has worked for the Reagan/Bush; Bush/Quayle; Bauer; McCain; and Bush/Cheney presidential campaigns.
Uganda continues to be a hotbed of New World Order migration operations. They study displacement of large percentages of the population for global operations in the future.

Uganda People News: 1000 children die every week in Uganda's IDP camps
First published: 20090715 7:40:23 AM EST

Ultimate Media

A report by the African Peer Review Mechanism has revealed that about 1000 children die every week in the Internally Displaced Camps in Northern Uganda.  The report released today at Parliament by New Partnership for African Development says the northern insurgency that has lasted for over two decades still remains one of the greatest challenges of this NRM government.  According to the report about 1.7 million people were displaced and forced into IDP Camps by the Northern insurgency and that resolving the insurgency has so far cost the government over 2 trillion shillings.  The report says though the government has tried to end the insurgency, the government needs a holistic approach to counter the various challenges brought by the insurgency.  It says for instance there is need to get an appropriate program to resettle the people in northern Uganda that are living in the IDP camps because people in camps are living in terrible health and social conditions. The report also says some of the other challenges that need immediate and serious government intervention are the land question, corruption, high population growth and the policy implementation gaps that exist in the government.

These operations are carried out for Bilderberg technocrats to evaluate future operations within the so called 'first world' nations.
Al Gore, James Inhofe, Doug Coe...

Testifying before Congress about global warming in 2007, Al Gore came under angry assault from Senator James Inhofe, a longtime member of the Family. Gore blunted the attack by invoking their "mutual friend, Doug Coe," with whom, he suggested, he and Inhofe ought to meet away from the cameras. "You know what I think of when I think of Doug Coe?" Schenck asked, his voice thick with admiration and laced with envy. “I think literally of the guy in the smoky back room, you can't even see his face. He sits in the corner, and you see the cigar, and you see the flame, and you hear his voice—but you never see his face. He's that shadowy figure.

Nobody ever sees him. At the Prayer Breakfast, he's never on the dais, but he puts the whole thing together. Nobody speaks from that podium, including the president, without Doug's nod of approval. It's a delicate play: He brings everyone together."

THE FAMILY (pp. 259-260)


Senator Inhofe did missionary work for the Doug Coe and the Fellowship on Senate trips

Hillary, "The Fellowship" and NEW WORLD ORDER: (Links to Mother Jones & Harpers)

Why does James Inhofe still support Gbagbo?

Unholy Allies

Meet 'The Family' By Anthony Lapp

Why the Christian right is backing a brutal despot

Senator takes love of Jesus to Africa

Jim Inhofes Okie Toxic Tutu


Operation Condor

Ringleader Muhammad Atta claims The Family Financed 9/11
Geoff Vasil
September 16, 2009

Muhammad Atta, the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 hijackings, told witnesses the crypto-fascist evangelical group known as the Family donated at least $200,000 to the cause of flying jets into the Twin Towers.

The information surfaced during the abortive FBI investigation right after the events of 9/11 and were duly ignored by federal investigators, but not by the local press in the retirement community of Venice, Florida.

Investigative reporter Daniel Hopsicker has been investigating ties between 9/11 and the local Venice airstrip since the Twin Towers collapsed and has uncovered that the facility was used for decades by the CIA and other clandestine organizations to run drugs and arms, drop assets into the Caribbean—and to train at least 3 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers how to fly.

Hopsicker tracked down witnesses to an argument between Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi less than six weeks before September 11 over finances at the Pelican Alley Restaurant in Venice, Florida.

Renee Adorna and her husband Tom own the restaurant, and she recalled that Atta yelled at Marwan: “We’re talking $200,000! We’ve got to answer to the Family!” Further, she said: “And I could have sworn that the one guy was wearing a cross, you know, the big gaudy gold cross on the chest. But I’m not sure now. But I know he had a big watch on.”

According to the account, there was a third, unidentified Egyptian-looking man in their party as well.

The Family is a quasi-fascist evangelical cult with tentacles around the world. Some of its members include Americans from the highest echelons of government, including former attorney general Ed Meese, who resigned amidst controversy during the Reagan over arms and cocaine shipments to Iran and Nicaragua, and also personally profited from the government’s theft of PROMIS software developed by the INSLAW group. The Family was the subject of the book “The Family – The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power” by Jeff Sharlet, a recent guest on the Alex Jones Show on July 28th, 2009. It is also the subject of earlier research by Wayne Madsen, another frequent guest on the show.

All of the leads developed by Hopsicker, including agents now involved in the recent drugs, arms and embezzlement scandals in the Turks and Caicos islands , not to mention an assassination attempt on George W. Bush on the morning of 9/11 in Florida by alleged Arabs posing as journalists in a white van, have been ignored by all federal investigators.

Just as in the Kennedy assassination, the best source of information on what really happened remains eye-witness reports collected by independent journalists. Not coincidentally, the 9/11 conspiracy shares a number of features with the Kennedy murder, including multiple Attas/Oswalds, suppression and destruction of evidence, and a packed investigating panel led by conspirators able to push prefabricated conclusions on other members, who in turn push the lie on the press and the public.

The biggest parallel with the Kennedy assassination and 9/11 was the fact that they were so explicit—they happened in plain sight. The public was asked to ignore their own common sense in both cases. On 9/11 we were supposed to believe that the perfect demolition-style fall of the Twin Towers was due to jet fuel fires corroding steel, although it was obvious while it happened that they were brought down by internal explosives.

And that answers the nagging question about the Atta and Marwan incident in Venice, Florida in August of 2001: why would two native Arabic-speakers (Atta was supposedly from Egypt and Marwan the United Arab Emirates) have a loud argument in a very public place in English?

The answer is they staged the argument. Was the Family even involved with the sum in question? Who knows. It fits in with them leaving significant details of the plot in plain sight, to taunt the public.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Hopsicker’s latest article, written with Texan lawyer and researcher Linda Minor ( Big Safari, the Kennedy Assassination and the War for Control of the Venice Airport), finds deep connections between the Venice airport, the Kennedy assassination, Iran/Contra and the Clinton/Bush cocaine smuggling operation through Mena, Arkansas, as well as the 9/11 patsies at flight schools around Florida.

The Fellowship, also known as the Family,[1][2][3] is a U.S.-based religious and political organization founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide. The stated purpose of the Fellowship is to provide a fellowship forum for decision makers to share in Bible studies, prayer meetings, worship experiences and to experience spiritual affirmation and support.[4][5]

The organization has been described as one of the most politically well-connected ministries in the United States. The Fellowship shuns publicity and its members share a vow of secrecy.[6] The Fellowship's leader Doug Coe and others have explained the organization's desire for secrecy by citing biblical admonitions against public displays of good works, insisting they would not be able to tackle diplomatically sensitive missions if they drew public attention.[6]

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, up to President Barack Obama, has participated in at least one National Prayer Breakfast during his term.[7][8][9][10]

The Fellowship's known participants include ranking United States government officials, corporate executives, heads of religious and humanitarian aid organizations, and ambassadors and high ranking politicians from across the world.[1][11][12][13][14] Many United States Senators and Congressmen who have publicly acknowledged working with the Fellowship or are documented as having done so work together to pass or influence legislation.[14][15]

In Newsweek, Lisa Miller wrote that, rather than calling themselves "Christians," as they describe themselves they are brought together by common love for the teachings of Jesus and that all approaches to "loving Jesus" are acceptable.[15] In contrast, Jeff Sharlet, who was interviewed on NBC News and wrote a book, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power,[2] and an article in Harper's[16] about his experience serving as an intern in the Fellowship, has stated that the organization fetishizes power by comparing Jesus to “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden” as examples of leaders who change the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their “brothers”.[14][15]

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately