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http://www.nndb.com/people/567/000120207/


NOTE: Their child's name!  Nuland is the wife to Robert Kagan!   ;)
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born in 1997, that would make she-man 13....or am i missing something??

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born in 1997, that would make she-man 13....or am i missing something??


The point is she was probably named after their Cousin, Elena Kagan, the nominee for the Supreme Court! These families repeat names, and this name is unusual and spelled the same way. What are the chances of that happening?
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gotcha....late night last night, just got up, should have waited for the second cup of coffee....dohhhhh ;)

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Also, look at a picture of Elena Kagan and Frederick Kagan. They could be brother and sister. IMO, their fathers are brothers, which would make them cousins.


http://frederickkagan.com/videos
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Elena_Kagan.html


More on Elena Kagan:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=8326&hl=
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  I'll give you an A for your research.   What's the chance of 2 Elena's in a family if they weren't related?

  And what's the chance of all these people working for the government or in para-government agencies?  You would think somebody would have a regular non-parasitical job.
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Then there is also the fact that there are 2 Roberts (that we know of) in the family. Robert Kagan the PNAC cofounder and Elena Kagan's father (Robert) and Frederick's Brother, Robert (the cousins to Elena Kagan)! IMO
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  I'll give you an A for your research.   What's the chance of 2 Elena's in a family if they weren't related?

  And what's the chance of all these people working for the government or in para-government agencies?  You would think somebody would have a regular non-parasitical job.


Thx! Exactly! The whole family works in the WAR industry! Thus, have real motive to keep them going, and they do!
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Thx! Exactly! The whole family works in the WAR industry! Thus, have real motive to keep them going, and they do!

  I'm sure sane has a 100 articles on the evil neocon empire called PNAC--headed by Bill Kristol.
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Elena Kagan donated to President Obama, John Kerry
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37019.html
By JONATHAN ALLEN | 5/10/10 3:49 PM EDT

Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan has given at least $12,050 over the past decade to Democratic candidates and causes — including to the president who nominated her and a sitting senator who will get to vote on her nomination — according to federal campaign finance records.

Kagan maxed out to her boss and appointer, President Barack Obama, with $4,600 in contributions in June of 2008, adding to the $2,000 she gave him when he ran for the U.S. Senate. She also gave a total of $1,500 to Sen. John Kerry’s campaign committee in 2000 and 2001, making Massachusetts’ senior senator the only lawmaker with a vote on Kagan’s nomination to have taken campaign cash from her.

Other beneficiaries of Kagan’s checkbook: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was then running for a Senate seat ($750); Ira Shapiro, who was one of Rep. Chris Van Hollen’s primary opponents in the 2002 election ($450); Judy Feder, who lost to Republican Rep. Frank Wolf in 2006 ($500); Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign ($1,000); Jon Jennings, who lost his bid for Indiana’s 8th District House seat in 2004 ($250); and the Democratic National Committee ($1,000).

It would be hard to make the case that Kagan’s contributions will affect her nomination — and it’s nothing new for a Supreme Court nominee to have donated money to folks involved in the appointment and confirmation process.

When Chief Justice John Roberts worked for the law firm Hogan & Hartson, he gave $1,000 to President George W. Bush and $500 to Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.). Lugar voted in favor of Roberts, who also gave money to Sen. Peter Fitzgerald and to Indiana Senate candidate Peter Rusthoven. Obama had succeeded Fitzgerald in the Senate by the time Roberts’s nomination was considered by the Senate.

Families of Supreme Court nominees have given, too: Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s sister Rosemary, a New Jersey lawyer, gave $1,000 to Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah in 1999, about six years before her brother was nominated to the highest court in the land.
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  I'm sure sane has a 100 articles on the evil neocon empire called PNAC--headed by Bill Kristol.

PNAC is alive under a new name:




FPI (formerly PNAC)'s Open Letter to Obama
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/fpi-formerly-pnacs-open-letter-to-obama/blog-154675/
September 7, 2009

The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

The situation in Afghanistan is grave and deteriorating. This is in part the legacy of an under resourced war effort that has cost us and the Afghans dearly. The Taliban has retaken important parts of the country, while a flawed U.S. strategy has led American forces into secondary efforts far away from critical areas. However, we remain convinced that the fight against the Taliban is winnable, and it is in the vital national security interest of the United States to win it.

You’ve called Afghanistan an "international security challenge of the highest order, " and stated that "the safety of people around the world is at stake." Last month you told a convention of veterans, “Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.”

We fully agree with those sentiments. We congratulate you on the leadership you demonstrated earlier this year when you decided to deploy approximately 21,000 additional troops and several thousand civilian experts as a part of a serious counterinsurgency campaign. Your appointments of General Stanley McChrystal as top commander and David Rodriguez as second in command in Afghanistan exemplified the seriousness of purpose you spoke about during the campaign. We are heartened to see that the much needed overhaul of our military operations has begun.

Since the announcement of your administration’s new strategy, we have been troubled by calls for a drawdown of American forces in Afghanistan and a growing sense of defeatism about the war. With General McChrystal expected to request additional troops later this month, we urge you to continue on the path you have taken thus far and give our commanders on the ground the forces they need to implement a successful counterinsurgency strategy. There is no middle course. Incrementally committing fewer troops than required would be a grave mistake and may well lead to American defeat. We will not support half-measures that repeat the errors of the past.

This is, as you have said, a war that we cannot afford to lose. Failure to defeat the Taliban would likely lead to a return of al Qaeda to Afghanistan and could result in terrorist attacks on the United States or our allies. An abandonment of Afghanistan would further destabilize the region, and put neighboring Pakistan and its nuclear arsenal at risk. All our efforts to support Islamabad’s fight against the Taliban in Pakistan’s tribal regions will founder if we do not match those achievements on the other side of that country’s porous northwestern border.

As you observed during the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, “You don't muddle through the central front on terror and you don't muddle through going after bin Laden. You don't muddle through stamping out the Taliban.” We completely agree. Having “muddled through” in Afghanistan for years, this is no longer a politically, strategically, or morally sustainable approach.

Mr. President, you have put in place the military leadership and sent the initial resources required to begin bringing this war to a successful conclusion. The military leadership has devised a strategy that will reverse the errors of previous years, free Afghans from the chains of tyranny, and keep America safe. We call on you to fully resource this effort, do everything possible to minimize the risk of failure, and to devote the necessary time to explain, soberly and comprehensively, to the American people the stakes in Afghanistan, the route to success, and the cost of defeat.

With the continued bravery of our troops, and your continued full support for them and their command team, America and our allies can and will prevail in Afghanistan.

Sincerely,

Haley Barbour
Gary Bauer
Steve Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Christian Brose
Debra Burlingame
Eliot A. Cohen
Ryan C. Crocker
Thomas Donnelly
Eric Edelman
William S. Edgerly
Jamie M. Fly
David Frum
Abe Greenwald
John Hannah
Pete Hegseth
Margaret Hoover
Thomas Joscelyn
Frederick W. Kagan
Robert Kagan

William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Herbert London
Clifford May
Robert C. McFarlane
Joshua Muravchik
Andrew Natsios
Sarah Palin
Keith Pavlischek
Beverly Perlson
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Stephen Rademaker
Mitchell B. Reiss
Karl Rove
Jennifer Rubin
Randy Scheunemann
Gary Schmitt
Dan Senor
Ashley Tellis
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Peter Wehner
Kenneth Weinstein
Christian Whiton
Rich Williamson

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/node/11818
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PNAC is alive under a new name:




FPI (formerly PNAC)'s Open Letter to Obama
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/fpi-formerly-pnacs-open-letter-to-obama/blog-154675/
September 7, 2009

The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

The situation in Afghanistan is grave and deteriorating. This is in part the legacy of an under resourced war effort that has cost us and the Afghans dearly. The Taliban has retaken important parts of the country, while a flawed U.S. strategy has led American forces into secondary efforts far away from critical areas. However, we remain convinced that the fight against the Taliban is winnable, and it is in the vital national security interest of the United States to win it.

You’ve called Afghanistan an "international security challenge of the highest order, " and stated that "the safety of people around the world is at stake." Last month you told a convention of veterans, “Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.”

We fully agree with those sentiments. We congratulate you on the leadership you demonstrated earlier this year when you decided to deploy approximately 21,000 additional troops and several thousand civilian experts as a part of a serious counterinsurgency campaign. Your appointments of General Stanley McChrystal as top commander and David Rodriguez as second in command in Afghanistan exemplified the seriousness of purpose you spoke about during the campaign. We are heartened to see that the much needed overhaul of our military operations has begun.

Since the announcement of your administration’s new strategy, we have been troubled by calls for a drawdown of American forces in Afghanistan and a growing sense of defeatism about the war. With General McChrystal expected to request additional troops later this month, we urge you to continue on the path you have taken thus far and give our commanders on the ground the forces they need to implement a successful counterinsurgency strategy. There is no middle course. Incrementally committing fewer troops than required would be a grave mistake and may well lead to American defeat. We will not support half-measures that repeat the errors of the past.

This is, as you have said, a war that we cannot afford to lose. Failure to defeat the Taliban would likely lead to a return of al Qaeda to Afghanistan and could result in terrorist attacks on the United States or our allies. An abandonment of Afghanistan would further destabilize the region, and put neighboring Pakistan and its nuclear arsenal at risk. All our efforts to support Islamabad’s fight against the Taliban in Pakistan’s tribal regions will founder if we do not match those achievements on the other side of that country’s porous northwestern border.

As you observed during the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, “You don't muddle through the central front on terror and you don't muddle through going after bin Laden. You don't muddle through stamping out the Taliban.” We completely agree. Having “muddled through” in Afghanistan for years, this is no longer a politically, strategically, or morally sustainable approach.

Mr. President, you have put in place the military leadership and sent the initial resources required to begin bringing this war to a successful conclusion. The military leadership has devised a strategy that will reverse the errors of previous years, free Afghans from the chains of tyranny, and keep America safe. We call on you to fully resource this effort, do everything possible to minimize the risk of failure, and to devote the necessary time to explain, soberly and comprehensively, to the American people the stakes in Afghanistan, the route to success, and the cost of defeat.

With the continued bravery of our troops, and your continued full support for them and their command team, America and our allies can and will prevail in Afghanistan.

Sincerely,

Haley Barbour
Gary Bauer
Steve Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Christian Brose
Debra Burlingame
Eliot A. Cohen
Ryan C. Crocker
Thomas Donnelly
Eric Edelman
William S. Edgerly
Jamie M. Fly
David Frum
Abe Greenwald
John Hannah
Pete Hegseth
Margaret Hoover
Thomas Joscelyn
Frederick W. Kagan
Robert Kagan

William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Herbert London
Clifford May
Robert C. McFarlane
Joshua Muravchik
Andrew Natsios
Sarah Palin
Keith Pavlischek
Beverly Perlson
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Stephen Rademaker
Mitchell B. Reiss
Karl Rove
Jennifer Rubin
Randy Scheunemann
Gary Schmitt
Dan Senor
Ashley Tellis
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Peter Wehner
Kenneth Weinstein
Christian Whiton
Rich Williamson

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/node/11818

THIS LETTER IS SICKENING.  WAR MONGERS.  FEAR MONGERS.  THEY ARE ALL WORKING FOR THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
WE CANNOT WIN IN AFGHANISTAN.
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THIS LETTER IS SICKENING.  WAR MONGERS.  FEAR MONGERS.  THEY AR ALL WORKING FOR THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
WE CANNOT WIN IN AFGHANISTAN.


Rove's name made me throw up in my mouth a little....

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  ROVE HAS NEVER HAD A REAL JOB.  No wonder we were in trouble--calling him BUSH'S BRAIN.
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re: elena kaganovitch

go to this link (in this same forum) for some interesting info about who all she's related to...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=177503.msg1072095#msg1072095