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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/19/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

Austin, Texas (CNN) -- The man who flew an airplane into a building housing an Internal Revenue Service office may have replaced some of its seats with a drum of fuel to cause maximum damage, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said Friday.

The official, who would not speak on the record because it is an ongoing case, said investigators have determined that the Piper Cherokee PA-28 had several seats removed and that a fuel drum was missing from the airport from which Andrew Joseph "Joe" Stack III took off Thursday morning.

"I think there is a good chance he might have put it on his plane," said the official, who cautioned that investigators were still working that lead and sifting through the crash site.


The single-engine plane has a fuel tank capacity of 38 gallons and is equipped with four seats, according to the Web site risingup.com.

The FBI said Friday it has taken the lead role in the investigation of Thursday's crash into the 7-story building in northwest Austin that held offices for nearly 200 IRS workers.

"You're talking about a federal agency that was basically assaulted," Ralph Diaz, special agent in charge of the FBI's San Antonio, Texas, field office, told reporters.

Two people were killed and two others were hospitalized, federal officials said.

Though the remains found in the IRS building have been identified, their identities will not be revealed until after a forensic examination, Diaz said Friday.

"One may be Mr. Stack and our fear is certainly the other would be either someone who was visiting or someone who was employed in the building," he said.

Emergency services chief Ernie Rodriguez said one of the injured was treated and released; the other remained hospitalized.

City of Austin Fire Chief Rhoda Mae Kerr credited the building's fire protection, fast work by the Fire Department and the fact that the employees had practiced exiting the building in case of an emergency for the low loss of life and injuries. "It truly worked," she said.

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Rodriguez said units arrived on the scene within five minutes of the first 911 call prepared to manage hundreds of injured people. "We found only two persons," he said.

"When you look at the fire, when you look at the evidence, it's hard to say that we were lucky, but we were," he said. "The big thing to remember is that yesterday, in the midst of this event, God's grace was upon us."

Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo credited fast thinking by some people who were inside the building as the plane approached for the fact that few people were hurt. "Some folks saw it coming and sounded the alarm yesterday, and some folks started running away from that side of the building," he said.

Stack's wife, Sheryl Stack, expressed her "sincere sympathy to the victims and their families" Friday.

"Words cannot adequately express the sorrow or the sympathy I feel for everyone affected by this unimaginable tragedy," she said in a statement read by a family friend, Rayford Walker.

Authorities say Stack also torched his $230,000 home in Austin on Thursday morning before embarking on his fatal flight.

Police said Sheryl Stack spent Wednesday night in an Austin-area hotel but did not say why. Acevedo said police had received no calls of domestic violence from the house. The only calls to police were made a couple of years ago and concerned barking dogs, he said.

A 3,000-word message on a Web site registered to Stack railed against the government, particularly the IRS.

Read the apparent suicide note (PDF)

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different," the online message says. "I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

Acevedo reiterated on Friday his assertion first made Thursday that the incident was not an act of terrorism. "Part of our jobs in law enforcement is not to overreact and cause undue panic," he said. "And with the information that we had, there was no need to alarm our colleagues around the country and community members by using the word 'terrorism.' That is why definitely I did not use it yesterday and I'm not using it today."

An IRS criminal investigator visited Stack's accountant after Thursday's events, leaving a business card on the CPA's front door. The online message believed to have been written by Stack mentions accountant Bill Ross, saying it had become "brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me."

Watch what Stack's writing reveals about him

IRS investigator James L. Neff said that Ross is not under investigation; officials just wanted to make sure he was OK. "We didn't know if he was alive or dead," Neff said.

Ross, who did not return a call from CNN, was fine, the investigator said.

Friends and former colleagues said Friday they had no inkling of the rage apparently building inside Stack.

"He hid that very well," said Billy Eli, in whose band Stack played bass until a few years ago. "Obviously he was in some serious distress and had some real despair. I never saw that."

Neither did another former bandmate, Ric Furley.

Watch how bandmates remember Stack

"I never saw him in a bad mood or speaking negatively about anything or anyone," Furley told CNN's "American Morning."

"This has been such a shock because it was totally out of character with the Joe Stack I played with for three years," said Eli.

"We liked him," said Furley. "We liked him."

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An IRS spokesman said federal law prohibits the agency from releasing information about any interactions the agency may have had with Stack.

The IRS issued a statement Friday saying tax returns will not be delayed.
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oh come on...

no one saw this happen?

He just was able to take seats out of a plane easily and then put in a full fuel drum... or maybe more....

wtf?
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Problem is that people have been watching to many Hollywood movies and simply assume that if you have a tank of fuel it acts like bomb.

Not so, the fuel first have to mix with air to be explosive and even than the igniting fuel in open air isn't that powerful at all.


Other thing is that allegedly his wife checked on the hangar: "They checked before ten o'clock. His plane is gone. His car is at the hangar in Round Rock."

She would have noticed some empty airplane seats wouldn't she. In other words were are these seats?

Round Rock is located about 25 miles north of the crash site so it takes 6 Minutes to fly the plane from the hangar to the IRS Building.

Still unsolved question in my mind is that if she checked on the hangar before 10:00 and the plane went into the IRS building at 11:36 a.m. were did he fly around for almost 2 hours?

(BTW for numerologists 3+6 = 9 -> 11.9 or 911)


Source Links:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/texas/100218-austin-plane-crash-house-fire-connected

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=544834&page=4#pid8153193
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Problem is that people have been watching to many Hollywood movies and simply assume that if you have a tank of fuel it acts like bomb.

Not so, the fuel first have to mix with air to be explosive and even than the igniting fuel in open air isn't that powerful at all.


Other thing is that allegedly his wife checked on the hangar: "They checked before ten o'clock. His plane is gone. His car is at the hangar in Round Rock."

She would have noticed some empty airplane seats wouldn't she. In other words were are these seats?

Round Rock is located about 25 miles north of the crash site so it takes 6 Minutes to fly the plane from the hangar to the IRS Building.

Still unsolved question in my mind is that if she checked on the hangar before 10:00 and the plane went into the IRS building at 11:36 a.m. were did he fly around for almost 2 hours?

(BTW for numerologists 3+6 = 9 -> 11.9 or 911)


Source Links:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/texas/100218-austin-plane-crash-house-fire-connected

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=544834&page=4#pid8153193

Good catch. The problem is his wife is now under the thumb of the Gov.
I have heard that the neighbors are also, and various witnesses.

I have no idea what she is all about, I do know or beleive that the Insurance companys will not pay for the house,the airplane or her husbands suicide.

I have a feeing she is in some deep shiiite.

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Has anyone come up with a reason for so much damage to this building from a very light aircraft?
If you look into small plane crashes into buildings there is not that much damage done to the structure it hits. How did all these windows blow out? And where the hell were all the employees of this government building? What it happened they were all outside for government employee nappy time hour?
AS FAR AS A 55 GAL DRUM OF AV-GAS DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH A FULL DRUM WEIGHS? HOW DID HE LIFT IT UP INTO THE PLANE BY HIMSELF?


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lol

At least the feds are learning. They didn't even bother to provide a half assed explanation for OKC. They then provided a half assed explanation for WTC 7.
Now this time the explanation is somewhat plausible.

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Paul-w:
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The single-engine plane has a fuel tank capacity of 38 gallons

I thought we had already learned that the plane has a 92 gallon capacity ... WTF?

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"Some folks saw it coming and sounded the alarm yesterday, and some folks started running away from that side of the building," he said.

WHAT?  Someone saw the plane approaching at top speed, sounded an alarm and people had time to evacuate?  WTF?

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FALSE FLAG

FALSE FLAG

FALSE FLAG

And who is the target?

Anyone opposed to debt slavery

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fuel? EXTRA fuel?

and the building is still standing after all that burning fuel?



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Problem is that people have been watching to many Hollywood movies and simply assume that if you have a tank of fuel it acts like bomb.

Not so, the fuel first have to mix with air to be explosive and even than the igniting fuel in open air isn't that powerful at all.


Other thing is that allegedly his wife checked on the hangar: "They checked before ten o'clock. His plane is gone. His car is at the hangar in Round Rock."

She would have noticed some empty airplane seats wouldn't she. In other words were are these seats?

Round Rock is located about 25 miles north of the crash site so it takes 6 Minutes to fly the plane from the hangar to the IRS Building.

Still unsolved question in my mind is that if she checked on the hangar before 10:00 and the plane went into the IRS building at 11:36 a.m. were did he fly around for almost 2 hours?

(BTW for numerologists 3+6 = 9 -> 11.9 or 911)


Source Links:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/texas/100218-austin-plane-crash-house-fire-connected

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=544834&page=4#pid8153193




http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html
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The crash occurred around 10 a.m.


Where do you see 11:36 am?

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This whole business of his loading extra fuel
into the passenger compartment is pure BS ...
they are just trying to invent some small grain
of plausibility to the massive damage at the scene.
Next we will probably hear about some nitro glycerine
gone missing from some govt cache at the airport ...
or some explosives being stored on the site ...
or the impact rupturing a major gasline. If they
can't explain away the damage the story will crumble.

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The blaze at the house was reported at 9:18 a.m., and the crash occurred at 9:56 a.m., 16 minutes after his takeoff from the Georgetown Municipal Airport. The airport is about 20 miles from his home. http://www.statesman.com/news/local/officials-few-details-available-on-plane-crash-257820.html

Georgetown is located about 25 miles north of the crash site so it takes 6 Minutes to fly the plane from the hangar to the IRS Building. According to the info above 16 minutes.

I know the info is kinda confusion but following this info and assuming he set the house on fire it’s 38 minutes from the house blaze to the crash.

So he had 38 – 16= 22 minutes or 38 – 6= 32 minutes to get to the airport after setting the house on fire. Rather short time frame all together with the traffic at that time I think.

How did they know btw that he took of the Airport 16 minutes before?

He allegedly took some chairs out of the plain to replace them by some fuel tanks ore somtin but this would be impossible in both time frames I think?

There is also a story about his wife checking on the hangar which suppose to be before 10:00 a.m. ?

(btw for numerologists 9:56 a.m.->5+6 = 11 -> 9.11)

They were even talking on the MSM that he had a remote control to blaze his house? Info is still a bit confusing about the facts and who said what but his daughter testimony stands.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9E06VJ80&show_article=1

Stack’s daughter from his first marriage, Samantha Dawn Bell, said the Web manifesto didn’t sound like the father she knew.

“It’s not him. The letter itself sounds like it’s coming from a different person,” she said in an interview from her home in Norway.
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The notion of Joe Stack and the 55 Gal Drum Story has more holes than sieve.

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Has anyone come up with a reason for so much damage to this building from a very light aircraft?
If you look into small plane crashes into buildings there is not that much damage done to the structure it hits. How did all these windows blow out? And where the hell were all the employees of this government building? What it happened they were all outside for government employee nappy time hour?
AS FAR AS A 55 GAL DRUM OF AV-GAS DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH A FULL DRUM WEIGHS? HOW DID HE LIFT IT UP INTO THE PLANE BY HIMSELF?

First off evidence suggests he didn't hit the right (intended) building in the intended place, for such an op to have been successful to the "Zionist Lightning" NWO for propaganda purposes the building should have "NIST-collapsed". Evidence on the ground suggests the plane did not fully enter the structure thus most of the explosion occurred outside likely because it hit a floor and marble faceplate instead of a window slot. Still a lot of the fuel and plane apparently did penetrate the opening thus created and all burned for hours.

Second there is the issue of low flashpoint high temperature exploding Petrol (Gasoline) vs high flashpoint low temperature burning Kerosene (jet fuel). To understand rudimentary incendiaries one must look at the most basic of these, the "Molotov Cocktail" technology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail
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In its simplest form, a Molotov cocktail is a glass bottle containing petrol fuel usually with a source of ignition such as a burning cloth wick held in place by the bottle's stopper. The wick is usually soaked in alcohol or paraffin, rather than petrol.

In action the wick is lit and the bottle hurled at a target such as a vehicle or fortification. When the bottle smashes on impact, the ensuing cloud of petrol droplets and vapor are ignited, causing an immediate fireball followed by a raging fire as the remainder of the fuel is consumed.

Other flammable liquids such as wood alcohol and turpentine have been used in place of petrol. (less refined) Thickening agents such as tar, strips of tire tubing, sugar, animal blood, XPS foam, egg whites, motor oil, rubber cement, and dish soap have been added to help the burning liquid adhere to the target and create clouds of thick choking smoke.

The Finns developed the most practical and least dangerous anti-tank weapon giving it the "cocktail" name using ethanol (normal low flashpoint and temp grain alcohol) dissolved tar (high flashpoint, duration and temp) to thicken an explosive gas mixture (low flashpoint, duration and highest temp).  The Finns used "storm matches" attached to the outside of the bottle rather than using much more dangerous Alcohol, Oil or Kerosene soaked wicks.

You cannot use Petrol (Gasoline) for a wick since it always explodes!

Another interesting thing about the high flashpoint low temperature barely-burning lamp-oil (Kerosene) paraffin "jet fuel" that supposedly "melted all the steel" in WTC 1 and 2 (unlike 7 which wasn't even anywhere near a building hit by any airplane) is that Kerosene (25% the heating power of Gasoline/Methanol or 50% the heating power of Ethanol) is always used in theatrical stunt work for precisely it's cool-burning properties!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene  
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Entertainment

Kerosene is often used in the entertainment industry for fire performances such as poi, fire breathing, and fire dancing. Because of its low flame temperature when burnt in free air, risk is lower, should the performer come in contact with the flame. Kerosene is not usually used as fuel for indoor fire dancing as it produces an unpleasant odor, which becomes poisonous in sufficient concentration.

In indoor poi or fire breathing only Ethanol (still hotter than Kerosene) is a suitable non-poisonous alternative.

Gasoline was specifically chosen for the Molotov Cocktail because it melts the steel of tanks, often disabling and warping their armaments. The Russians ended up having to extensively modify their tanks to provide a bit more protection to their tanks crews from the Finnish "Cocktail" weapons. Anyone who has ever witnessed a garage fire where gasoline and/or diesel are the accelerant knows that it melts and weakens steel quite well, aside from it's far more catastrophic high-octane explosive powers.

As for moving in an extra tank of fuel one would put it in empty and then fill it. Something strongly suggests that the plane was auto-piloted since a human aviator would have exerted more exact altitude control to enter windows, easily distinguishable from marble (or black metal) floor facings.



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Has anyone come up with a reason for so much damage to this building from a very light aircraft?
If you look into small plane crashes into buildings there is not that much damage done to the structure it hits. How did all these windows blow out? And where the hell were all the employees of this government building? What it happened they were all outside for government employee nappy time hour?
AS FAR AS A 55 GAL DRUM OF AV-GAS DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH A FULL DRUM WEIGHS? HOW DID HE LIFT IT UP INTO THE PLANE BY HIMSELF?




Same thing stated here w/ pic of 2002 tampa crash
http://www.shtfmilitia.com/viewtopic.php?p=25983#p25983
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