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Obama Czar Cass Sunstein: "Ban Conspiracy Theorizing"
« on: January 14, 2010, 04:01:55 am »
Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
Presidential adviser wrote about crackdown on expressing opinions

In a lengthy academic paper, President Obama's regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein, argued the U.S. government should ban "conspiracy theorizing."

Among the beliefs Sunstein would ban is advocating that the theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud.

Sunstein also recommended the government send agents to infiltrate "extremists who supply conspiracy theories" to disrupt the efforts of the "extremists" to propagate their theories.

In a 2008 Harvard law paper, "Conspiracy Theories," Sunstein and co-author Adrian Vermeule, a Harvard law professor, ask, "What can government do about conspiracy theories?"

"We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories."

In the 30-page paper – obtained and reviewed by WND – Sunstein argues the best government response to "conspiracy theories" is "cognitive infiltration of extremist groups."

Continued Sunstein: "We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity."

Sunstein said government agents "might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

Sunstein defined a conspiracy theory as "an effort to explain some event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role."

Some "conspiracy theories" recommended for ban by Sunstein include:

"The theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud."


"The view that the Central Intelligence Agency was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy."


"The 1996 crash of TWA flight 800 was caused by a U.S. military missile."


"The Trilateral Commission is responsible for important movements of the international economy."


"That Martin Luther King Jr. was killed by federal agents."


"The moon landing was staged and never actually occurred."
Sunstein allowed that "some conspiracy theories, under our definition, have turned out to be true."

He continued: "The Watergate hotel room used by Democratic National Committee was, in fact, bugged by Republican officials, operating at the behest of the White House. In the 1950s, the CIA did, in fact, administer LSD and related drugs under Project MKULTRA, in an effort to investigate the possibility of 'mind control.'”

Sunstein's paper advocating against the belief that global warming is a deliberate fraud was written before November's climate scandal in which e-mails hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University in the U.K. indicate top climate researchers conspired to rig data and keep researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading scientific journals.

Sunstein: Ban 'right wing' rumors

Sunstein's paper is not the first time he has advocated banning the free flow of information.

WND reported that in a recently released book, "On Rumors," Sunstein argued websites should be obliged to remove "false rumors" while libel laws should be altered to make it easier to sue for spreading such "rumors."

In the 2009 book, Sunstein cited as a primary example of "absurd" and "hateful" remarks, reports by "right-wing websites" alleging an association between President Obama and Weatherman terrorist William Ayers.

He also singled out radio talker Sean Hannity for "attacking" Obama regarding the president's "alleged associations."

Ayers became a name in the 2008 presidential campaign when it was disclosed he worked closely with Obama for years. Obama also was said to have launched his political career at a 1995 fundraiser in Ayers' apartment.

'New Deal Fairness Doctrine'

WND also previously reported Sunstein drew up a "First Amendment New Deal" – a new "Fairness Doctrine" that would include the establishment of a panel of "nonpartisan experts" to ensure "diversity of view" on the airwaves.

Sunstein compared the need for the government to regulate broadcasting to the moral obligation the U.S. had to impose new rules that outlawed segregation.

Sunstein's radical proposal, set forth in his 1993 book "The Partial Constitution," received no news media attention and scant scrutiny until the WND report.

In the book, Sunstein outwardly favors and promotes the "Fairness Doctrine," the abolished FCC policy that required holders of broadcast licenses to present controversial issues of public importance in a manner the government deemed "equitable and balanced."

Sunstein introduces what he terms his "First Amendment New Deal" to regulate broadcasting in the U.S.

His proposal, which focuses largely on television, includes a government requirement that "purely commercial stations provide financial subsidies to public television or to commercial stations that agree to provide less profitable but high-quality programming."

Sunstein wrote it is "worthwhile to consider more dramatic approaches as well."

He proposes "compulsory public-affairs programming, right of reply, content review by nonpartisan experts or guidelines to encourage attention to public issues and diversity of view."

The Obama czar argues his regulation proposals for broadcasting are actually presented within the spirit of the Constitution.

"It seems quite possible that a law that contained regulatory remedies would promote rather than undermine the 'freedom of speech,'" he writes.

Writes Sunstein: "The idea that government should be neutral among all forms of speech seems right in the abstract, but as frequently applied it is no more plausible than the idea that it should be neutral between the associational interests of blacks and those of whites under conditions of segregation."

Sunstein contends the landmark case that brought about the Fairness Doctrine, Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission, "stresses not the autonomy of broadcasters (made possible only by current ownership rights), but instead the need to promote democratic self-government by ensuring that people are presented with a broad range of views about public issues."

He continues: "In a market system, this goal may be compromised. It is hardly clear that 'the freedom of speech' is promoted by a regime in which people are permitted to speak only if other people are willing to pay enough to allow them to be heard."

In his book, Sunstein slams the U.S. courts' unwillingness to "require something like a Fairness Doctrine" to be a result of "the judiciary's lack of democratic pedigree, lack of fact-finding powers and limited remedial authority."

He clarifies he is not arguing the government should be free to regulate broadcasting however it chooses.

"Regulation designed to eliminate a particular viewpoint would of course be out of bounds. All viewpoint discrimination would be banned," Sunstein writes.

But, he says, "at the very least, regulative 'fairness doctrines' would raise no real doubts" constitutionally.

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Re: Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
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Re: Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 07:12:38 am »
This is ONE of the most Nazi ideas I have ever heard of.  This is an extremely dangerous line of thought IMO, am I allowed to say that?  WTF................
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The thought police coming soon....
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if they are letting us know now, than that means the plans already been in place for sometime.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2010, 07:34:49 am »
if they are letting us know now, than that means the plans already been in place for sometime.

The thought police would have to shut down sites like this altogether...
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RAND Corporation Document from 1995 "The Left are Cyber-Terrorists!"

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Issue 3 - Fall 1995

RAND Warns US Against CyberWar from the Left (page 1 of 2)
By Jason Wehling / PNEWS

Since the last U.S. election, the political left has been sent reeling. We have been told that this victory spells a new revolution, a revolution for the right. Interestingly, a Rand Corporation researcher, David Ronfeldt, argues that, contrary to the impotence felt by many social activists, they have become an important and powerful force fuelled by the advent of the information revolution. Through computer and communication networks, especially via the worldwide Internet, grassroots campaigns have flourished, and government elites have taken notice.

Ronfeldt specializes in issues of national security, especially in the areas of Latin America and the impact of new information technologies. Ronfeldt and another colleague coined the term "netwar" a couple years ago in a Rand document entitled "Cyberwar is Coming!." "Netwars" are actions by autonomous groups in the context of this article, especially advocacy groups and social movements that use information networks to coordinate action to influence, change or fight government policy.

Ronfeldt's work became a flurry of discussion on the Internet in mid-March when Pacific News Service correspondent Joel Simon wrote an article about Ronfeldt's opinions on the influence of netwars on the political situation in Mexico.

According to Simon, Ronfeldt holds that the work of social activists on the Internet has had a large influence helping to coordinate the large demonstrations in Mexico City in support of the Zapatistas and the proliferation of EZLN communiques across the world. These actions, Ronfeldt argues, have allowed a network of groups that oppose the Mexican government to muster an international response, often within hours. This has forced the government to maintain the facade of negotiations with the EZLN and actually stopped the army from just going into Chiapas and brutally massacring the Zapatistas.

Ronfeldt is an employee of the notorious Rand Corporation. Rand is, and has been since its creation in 1948, a private appendage of the military industrial complex. Paul Dickson, author of the book Think Tanks, described Rand as the "first military think tank ... undoubtedly the most powerful research organization associated with the American military."

Ronfeldt has also written papers directly for the U.S. military on military communication and, more interestingly, for the Central Intelligence Agency on leadership analysis. It is obvious that the U.S. government and its military and intelligence wings are very interested in what the left is doing on the Internet.

Too much' democracy

Ronfeldt argues that "the information revolution ... disrupts and erodes the hierarchies around which institutions are normally designed. It diffuses and redistributes power, often to the benefit of what may be considered weaker, smaller actors." Continuing, "multi-organizational networks ... mak[e] it possible for diverse, dispersed actors to communicate, consult, coordinate, and operate together across greater distances, and on the basis of more and better information than ever."

Ronfeldt emphasises that "some of the heaviest users of the new communications networks and technologies are progressive, center-left, and social activists ... [who work on] human rights, peace, environmental, consumer, labor, immigration, racial and gender-based issues." Social activists are on the cutting edge of the new and powerful "network" system of organizing.

All governments have been extremely antagonistic to this effective use of information, especially from the political left. This position is best stated by Samuel Huntington, Harvard political science professor and author of the U.S. section of the Trilateral Commission's book-length study, The Crisis of Democracy. Huntington argued in 1975, "Some of the problems of governance in the United States today stem from an excess of democracy ... Needed, instead, is a greater degree of moderation of democracy."

Huntington maintained that "the effective operation of a democratic political system usually requires some measure of apathy and non-involvement on the part of some individuals and groups ... this marginality on the part of some groups is inherently undemocratic but it is also one of the factors which has enabled democracy to function effectively." In other words, major U.S. policy makers feel democracies are acceptable if they are limited and not very democratic.

To stop "excess of democracy," Huntington argued that limits should exist on the media. "There is also the need to assure government the right to withhold information at the source ... Journalists should develop their own standards of professionalism and create mechanisms, such as press councils, for enforcing these standards on themselves. The alternative could well be regulation by government."

If institutions like the major media need regulation, the idea of a free, uncontrolled flow of information on the Internet must mean that a new "crisis of democracy" has emerged in the eyes of the government elites.

Ronfeldt maintains that the lesson is clear: "Institutions can be defeated by networks, and it may take networks to counter networks." He argues that the U.S. government must completely reorganize itself, scrapping hierarchical organization for a more autonomous and decentralised system: a network. In this way, "We expect that ... netwar may be uniquely suited to fighting non-state actors."

Ronfeldt is basically arguing that the efforts of activists on computers have been very effective or at least have the potential. More importantly, he argues that the only way to counter this work is to follow the lead of social activists. Ronfeldt emphasised in a personal correspondence that the "information revolution is also strengthening civil-society actors in many positive ways, and moreover that netwar is not necessarily a bad' thing that necessarily is a threat' to U.S. or other interests. It depends."

At the same time, the left should understand the important implications of Ronfeldt's work: government elites are not only watching these actions, but are also attempting to work against them.

Watch Out for Attacks

Because of the very nature of the Internet and these growing communication networks, the issues are inherently international. It is important to watch for attacks on these networks wherever they occur. And occur they have. Since the beginning of this year, a number of computer networks, so far confined to Europe, have been attacked or completely shut down.

In Italy on February 28, members of the Carabinieri Anti-Crime Special Operations Group raided the homes of a number of activists many active in the anarchist movement. They confiscated journals, magazines, pamphlets, diaries, and video tapes. They also took their personal computers, one of which hosted "BITS Against the Empire," a node of Cybernet and Fidonet networks. The warrant ridiculously charged them for "association with intent to subvert the democratic order," carrying a penalty of seven to fifteen years imprisonment for a conviction. More >>

RAND Warns US Against CyberWar from the Left (page 2 of 2)
By Jason Wehling / PNEWS

In the United Kingdom, a number of computer networks have been attacked. The Terminal Boredom bulletin board system (BBS) in Scotland was shut down by police after the arrest of a hacker who was affiliated with the BBS. Spunk Press, the largest anarchist archive of published material catalogued on computer networks, also of the UK, has faced a media barrage which has falsely accused it of working with terrorists like the Red Army Faction of Germany, of providing recipes for making bombs and of coordinating the "disruption of schools, looting of shops and attacks on multinational firms."

It is not coincidence that this attack has started first against anarchists and libertarian socialists. They are currently one of the most organised political grouping on the Internet. According to Ronfeldt's thesis, this makes perfect sense. Who best can exploit a system that "erodes hierarchy" and requires the co-ordination of decentralized, autonomous groups in co-operative actions other than anarchists and libertarian socialists?

In the U.S., a number of bills are before Congress that would affect a large number of political views. One aims to change the FBI charter so that it can investigate political groups. It has bipartisan support.

Even more sinister as far as computer networks are concerned is S314. This bill would prohibit not only individual speech that is "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent," but would prohibit any provider of telecommunications service (such as an Internet provider) from carrying such traffic, under threat of stiff penalties: $100,000 or two years in prison.

According to the Center for Democracy and Technology, "The bill would compel service providers to choose between severely restricting the activities of their subscribers or completely shutting down their Email, Internet access and conferencing services under the threat of criminal liability." The government is not the only institution to notice the power of the Internet in the hands of activists. The Washington Post ("Mexican Rebels Using a High-Tech Weapon; Internet Helps Rally Support"), Newsweek ("When Words are the Best Weapon: How the Rebels Use the Internet and Satellite TV") and even CNN (Sunday, February 26) have done stories about the importance of the Internet and network communication organization with respect to the Zapatistas.

The mainstream media aren't interested in the information that circulates across the Internet. No, they are interested in sensationalizing the activity, even demonizing it. They correctly see that the "rebels" possess an incredibly powerful tool.

A good example of this powerful tool is the incredible speed and range at which information travels the Internet about events concerning Mexico and the Zapatistas. When Alexander Cockburn wrote an article exposing a Chase Manhattan Bank memo about Chiapas and the Zapatistas in Counterpunch, only a small number of people read it because it is only a newsletter with a limited readership.

The memo was very important because it argued that "the [Mexican] government will need to eliminate the Zapatistas to demonstrate their effective control of the national territory and of security policy." This information was relatively ineffective when just confined to print. But when it was uploaded to the Internet, it suddenly reached a very large number of people. These people in turn co-ordinated a protest against the U.S. and Mexican governments and especially Chase Manhattan.

Currently there are a myriad of social activist campaigns on the Internet. The network system of activism is not only working and working well, as Ronfeldt admits but growing. It is growing rapidly in numbers of people involved and in political and social effectiveness.

Options

According to Ronfeldt's thesis, extreme measures such as S314 will not be the answer to the problems of elites. Actually destroying the Internet is not likely for a number of reasons. The opposition to such an undertaking would be too great.

A glimpse at the problem emerged when the U.S. government attempted last year to introduce the now infamous "clipper chip." This chip was to become the standard encryption for the U.S. The interesting part of the plan was that, while individuals, groups and corporations could send information across networks without fear of unwanted eyes peering into their documents, the government "clipper chip" would have a "backdoor" for intelligence agencies like the FBI. In other words, it was safe to all except the government, which would be able to read any message it wanted to.

The Clinton administration had little support, aside from the FBI, CIA, National Security Agency (NSA) and AT&T, which was contracted to manufacture the chip.

According to Ronfeldt's thesis, dismantling the Internet is not even an option. The Internet and "netwars" are here to stay. The trick is to be better at it than groups the U.S. government opposes. That means creating government networks that can be more effective than those networks that have been created and maintained by social activists.

Of course, this has inherent problems of its own. How will U.S. military leaders react when they hear that the military must "erode" its system of hierarchy to evolve into a decentralized and autonomous network of smaller parts? Certainly there is a paradox in Ronfeldt's arguments.

Much more likely, at least for the time being, is Huntington's notion of regulation of information. Currently, how laws should be applied to the Internet and other computer networks is vague and undefined.

One scenario is that the Internet would be subjected to U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulation. This might solve the problem voiced by Huntington where the government could create barriers and/or limit the free flow of information to better suit its wishes. Obviously for social activists, a much better scenario is that the Internet, as well as all other computer networks, would be placed in the category of "common carriers," where universal access is assured.

The battle lines are already being drawn. Under the guise of saving children from pedophiles, there is now a media campaign that pushes for regulation against pornography and other "obscenity" on the Internet. Last year, Carnegie-Mellon University attempted to restrict campus users from access to X-rated photographs on the Internet. Of course, if this comes to pass, it would be just the beginning the placement into the category of FCC regulation would be complete. On the other side are a large number of civil rights organizations like the ACLU and the Electronic Frontier Foundation who argue for the "common carrier" approach.

Another scenario is control, not via the government, but from private industry. Many people use the "highway" or "superhighway" analogy when describing the Internet. But a new analogy has emerged: the railroad or "super-railroad." Each has very important connotations: the highway is public, the railroad is private.

The problem springs from the growing pains that the Internet is experiencing. It is growing at a very rapid pace, so rapid that the "backbone" of the Net, the high-speed data transmission line over which information travels, is becoming outdated.

One proposal from ANS, a joint venture between IBM and MCI, is to privatize the Internet "backbone," thus creating "toll roads" for the Internet: they lay the new cables, they own them, and users will have to "pay as they go." The cost of communication would rise and would limit the ability of social activists and many other groups to participate in these "netwars."

This may be the long-term solution, paralleling the fate of last century's new form of popular communication, the newspaper. Faced with the same problem, a cheap and accessible medium for expressing ideas available to the general population, the initial response was to enforce laws limiting its use (e.g. censorship laws). However, coercion was soon abandoned in the face of better forces implicit in capitalism, namely the concentration of capital required to produce a commodity for a profit.

Market forces ensured that only those with access to vast amounts of money could start even a weekly newspaper. In addition, the need for advertising to run a paper ensured big business control over its content. Hence, for example, we could see mainstream journals having free access web sites on the Internet (funded entirely by advertising) while dissident publications will have to charge in order for their web sites to exist. This, however, is still some way into the future.

What might we do?

It is clear that Rand, and possibly other wings of the establishment, are not only interested in what activists are doing on the Internet, but they think it is working. They are studying our behaviour and actions; we should study theirs. We should analyze their movements and attempt to anticipate attacks as much as possible.

As Ronfeldt argues repeatedly, the potential is there for us to be more effective. But we can do better than just a coordination of raw information, which has been the majority of the "networking" so far on the Internet. To improve on the work that is being done, we should attempt to provide more especially in the area of in-depth analysis.

We should attempt to co-ordinate the dissemination of solid analysis of important events. In this way members of the activist network will not only have the advantage of up-to-date information, but also a good background analysis of what each event means, politically, socially and/or economically.

In a communique from the Zapatistas, written on March 17, Subcommandante Marcos reiterated the importance of this network coordination. It is obvious from his words that these networks are making a real difference. He said, "And we learned that ... No to war!' was said in Spain and in France and in Italy and in Germany and in Russia and in England and in Japan and in Korea and in Canada and in the United States and in Argentina and in Uruguay and in Chile and in Venezuela and in Brazil and in other parts where it wasn't said but it was thought. And so we saw that there are good people in many parts of the world ..."

Marcos obviously was touched by the fact that people have laboured all over the world for the Zapatista cause. So he closed the communique with a personal thank you: "And we want to say to you, to everyone, thank you. And that if we had a flower we would give it to you ... and when they are old, then they can talk with the children and young people of their country that, I struggled for Mexico at the end of the Twentieth Century, and from over here I was there with them and I only know that they wanted what all human beings want, for it is not to be forgotten that they are human beings and for it to be remembered what democracy, liberty and justice are, and I did not know their faces but I did know their hearts and it was the same as ours.'"

[Abridged from an article originally distributed on the Internet.]

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Re: Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
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Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
Presidential adviser wrote about crackdown on expressing opinions

In a lengthy academic paper, President Obama's regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein, argued the U.S. government should ban "conspiracy theorizing."

Among the beliefs Sunstein would ban is advocating that the theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud.

Sunstein also recommended the government send agents to infiltrate "extremists who supply conspiracy theories" to disrupt the efforts of the "extremists" to propagate their theories.

In a 2008 Harvard law paper, "Conspiracy Theories," Sunstein and co-author Adrian Vermeule, a Harvard law professor, ask, "What can government do about conspiracy theories?"

"We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories."

In the 30-page paper – obtained and reviewed by WND – Sunstein argues the best government response to "conspiracy theories" is "cognitive infiltration of extremist groups."

Continued Sunstein: "We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity."

Sunstein said government agents "might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

Sunstein defined a conspiracy theory as "an effort to explain some event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role."

Some "conspiracy theories" recommended for ban by Sunstein include:

"The theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud."


"The view that the Central Intelligence Agency was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy."


"The 1996 crash of TWA flight 800 was caused by a U.S. military missile."


"The Trilateral Commission is responsible for important movements of the international economy."


"That Martin Luther King Jr. was killed by federal agents."


"The moon landing was staged and never actually occurred."
Sunstein allowed that "some conspiracy theories, under our definition, have turned out to be true."

He continued: "The Watergate hotel room used by Democratic National Committee was, in fact, bugged by Republican officials, operating at the behest of the White House. In the 1950s, the CIA did, in fact, administer LSD and related drugs under Project MKULTRA, in an effort to investigate the possibility of 'mind control.'”

Sunstein's paper advocating against the belief that global warming is a deliberate fraud was written before November's climate scandal in which e-mails hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University in the U.K. indicate top climate researchers conspired to rig data and keep researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading scientific journals.

Sunstein: Ban 'right wing' rumors

Sunstein's paper is not the first time he has advocated banning the free flow of information.

WND reported that in a recently released book, "On Rumors," Sunstein argued websites should be obliged to remove "false rumors" while libel laws should be altered to make it easier to sue for spreading such "rumors."

In the 2009 book, Sunstein cited as a primary example of "absurd" and "hateful" remarks, reports by "right-wing websites" alleging an association between President Obama and Weatherman terrorist William Ayers.

He also singled out radio talker Sean Hannity for "attacking" Obama regarding the president's "alleged associations."

Ayers became a name in the 2008 presidential campaign when it was disclosed he worked closely with Obama for years. Obama also was said to have launched his political career at a 1995 fundraiser in Ayers' apartment.

'New Deal Fairness Doctrine'

WND also previously reported Sunstein drew up a "First Amendment New Deal" – a new "Fairness Doctrine" that would include the establishment of a panel of "nonpartisan experts" to ensure "diversity of view" on the airwaves.

Sunstein compared the need for the government to regulate broadcasting to the moral obligation the U.S. had to impose new rules that outlawed segregation.

Sunstein's radical proposal, set forth in his 1993 book "The Partial Constitution," received no news media attention and scant scrutiny until the WND report.

In the book, Sunstein outwardly favors and promotes the "Fairness Doctrine," the abolished FCC policy that required holders of broadcast licenses to present controversial issues of public importance in a manner the government deemed "equitable and balanced."

Sunstein introduces what he terms his "First Amendment New Deal" to regulate broadcasting in the U.S.

His proposal, which focuses largely on television, includes a government requirement that "purely commercial stations provide financial subsidies to public television or to commercial stations that agree to provide less profitable but high-quality programming."

Sunstein wrote it is "worthwhile to consider more dramatic approaches as well."

He proposes "compulsory public-affairs programming, right of reply, content review by nonpartisan experts or guidelines to encourage attention to public issues and diversity of view."

The Obama czar argues his regulation proposals for broadcasting are actually presented within the spirit of the Constitution.

"It seems quite possible that a law that contained regulatory remedies would promote rather than undermine the 'freedom of speech,'" he writes.

Writes Sunstein: "The idea that government should be neutral among all forms of speech seems right in the abstract, but as frequently applied it is no more plausible than the idea that it should be neutral between the associational interests of blacks and those of whites under conditions of segregation."

Sunstein contends the landmark case that brought about the Fairness Doctrine, Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission, "stresses not the autonomy of broadcasters (made possible only by current ownership rights), but instead the need to promote democratic self-government by ensuring that people are presented with a broad range of views about public issues."

He continues: "In a market system, this goal may be compromised. It is hardly clear that 'the freedom of speech' is promoted by a regime in which people are permitted to speak only if other people are willing to pay enough to allow them to be heard."

In his book, Sunstein slams the U.S. courts' unwillingness to "require something like a Fairness Doctrine" to be a result of "the judiciary's lack of democratic pedigree, lack of fact-finding powers and limited remedial authority."

He clarifies he is not arguing the government should be free to regulate broadcasting however it chooses.

"Regulation designed to eliminate a particular viewpoint would of course be out of bounds. All viewpoint discrimination would be banned," Sunstein writes.

But, he says, "at the very least, regulative 'fairness doctrines' would raise no real doubts" constitutionally.

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So essentially this is just blatant in-your-face "COINTELPRO is totally real"

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"It seems quite possible that a law that contained regulatory remedies would promote rather than undermine the 'freedom of speech,'" [Sunstein] writes.

“Writes Sunstein: "The idea that government should be neutral among all forms of speech seems right in the abstract, but as frequently applied it is no more plausible than the idea that it should be neutral between the associational interests of blacks and those of whites under conditions of segregation.""

“Sunstein contends the landmark case that brought about the Fairness Doctrine, Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission, "stresses not the autonomy of broadcasters (made possible only by current ownership rights), but instead the need to promote democratic self-government by ensuring that people are presented with a broad range of views about public issues."

“He continues: "In a market system, this goal may be compromised. It is hardly clear that 'the freedom of speech' is promoted by a regime in which people are permitted to speak only if other people are willing to pay enough to allow them to be heard."

“"Regulation designed to eliminate a particular viewpoint would of course be out of bounds. All viewpoint discrimination would be banned," Sunstein writes.

“But, he says, "at the very least, regulative 'fairness doctrines' would raise no real doubts" constitutionally.”

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William Rausch speaking:

‘Scuse me, but it seems to me that the true meaning of the First Amendment is that the Government’s duty is to create the conditions for open and free public discourse, and not to enter into such discourse on the behalf of its own entrenched bureaucracy.  (I.e., the government, being the servant of the people, has no right to a voice of its own.  Anything to the contrary smacks of the early Bolshevik idea that religious freedom would be tolerated, with the provisio that the Government would be free to disseminate anti-religious propaganda.  Which eventually resulted in the outlawing of all religion.)  Ironically, in this regard, Al Gore’s idea, born of a desire to protect academic fraud by wrapping it in the First Amendment, that the Global Warming fraud constitutes a religion, would actually place advocacy of the Global Warming hoax by the government as the establishment of an official religion, in clear violation of the First Amendment.

Continuing the quotation:


“In his book, Sunstein slams the U.S. courts' unwillingness to "require something like a Fairness Doctrine" to be a result of "the judiciary's lack of democratic pedigree, lack of fact-finding powers and limited remedial authority." “

***

"Regulation designed to eliminate a particular viewpoint would of course be out of bounds. All viewpoint discrimination would be banned," Sunstein writes.

“But, he says, "at the very least, regulative 'fairness doctrines' would raise no real doubts" constitutionally.“

***

William Rausch speaking:

Uh, as above.  The US government bureaucracy, with its massive media access, is already doing everything it can to drown out the agonized screaming of the American people.  And, as I pointed out above, it has absolutely no right to consider itself as constituting a voice independent of, and antagonistic to, the American people as a whole.  (Just notice how he demands US Government enforcement of discredited, unscientific ideology!)

According to the Constitutional order, it is the people who constitute a body corporate and politic, with the Government of the United States serving only as the instrument of the people’s power.

A government which superimposes its own point of view upon her constituents is, clearly, a tyrannical government.

And has anyone noticed that he's just trying to legalize what the US government has been doing for decades (at least since the First World War)?
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2010, 08:20:06 am »
I am sorry guys if they start pulling this shit and we accept it...well then we get what we deserve.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2010, 08:25:52 am »
To be honest with you this has been the first piece I have seen connecting "conspiracy theorists" with the word "extremists" directly..


Really scary  :(

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Re: Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2010, 08:39:37 am »


Who is CASS SUNSTEIN?




Meet The Horrible New Obama-Era Elite,
or “All The President’s Middlebrows”


By Mark Ames

Last week, Obama moved another step closer to creating the ultimate retro-70s Middelbrow-ocracy when he appointed a loathsome overachieving hamburger-head named Cass Sunstein to a little-known but highly-powerful government post: director of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs—otherwise known as the “Regulation Czar.” Before the financial crash, we wouldn’t have thought much of how powerful a post like this is, and how it can shape our lives and help decide whether we have retirement money, a home mortgage, and a plutocracy-led society.

Read Article Here:
http://exiledonline.com/all-the-president%E2%80%99s-middlebrows/

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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 08:40:13 am »
yes, really scary
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2010, 08:42:43 am »
Wow. NO WONDER all the bridges leading into D.C. are monitored.

Obama and his communist buddies are deliberately inciting the people at this point.

I wonder how effectively they could roadblock the Beltway when they realize 1,000,000 angry citizens (not terrorists) were in transit to initiate vehicular disobedience.  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2010, 09:02:10 am »


GIVE UP ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS, SHUT THE F*CK UP-STOP EXPOSING OUR FALSE FLAGS AND CRIMINALITY-SHUT UP SLAVES!  SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES! SHUT UP SLAVES!



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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2010, 09:13:26 am »
Obama clearly has the types of people with these left-wing communist views.

But it's never going to happen. Viewpoints won't be banned in the US.

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2010, 09:35:43 am »
Obama staffer wants
‘cognitive infiltration’
of anyone questioning the 9/11 cover up


http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staffer-infiltration-911-groups/
By Daniel Tencer Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 -- 10:48 pm


In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.

As head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Sunstein is in charge of "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs," according to the White House Web site.

Sunstein's article, published in the Journal of Political Philosphy in 2008 and recently uncovered by blogger Marc Estrin, states that "our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."

By "crippled epistemology" Sunstein means that people who believe in conspiracy theories have a limited number of sources of information that they trust. Therefore, Sunstein argued in the article, it would not work to simply refute the conspiracy theories in public -- the very sources that conspiracy theorists believe would have to be infiltrated.
Story continues below...

Sunstein, whose article focuses largely on the 9/11 conspiracy theories, suggests that the government "enlist nongovernmental officials in the effort to rebut the theories. It might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."

Download a PDF of the article here.

Sunstein argued that "government might undertake (legal) tactics for breaking up the tight cognitive clusters of extremist theories." He suggested that "government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

"We expect such tactics from undercover cops, or FBI," Estrin writes at the Rag Blog, expressing surprise that "a high-level presidential advisor" would support such a strategy.

Estrin notes that Sunstein advocates in his article for the infiltration of "extremist" groups so that it undermines the groups' confidence to the extent that "new recruits will be suspect and participants in the group’s virtual networks will doubt each other’s bona fides."

Sunstein has been the target of numerous "conspiracy theories" himself, mostly from the right wing political echo chamber, with conservative talking heads claiming he favors enacting "a second Bill of Rights" that would do away with the Second Amendment. Sunstein's recent book, On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done, was criticized by some on the right as "a blueprint for online censorship."

Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors,'" wrote Ed Lasky at American Thinker.
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2010, 10:14:16 am »
Obama staffer wants
‘cognitive infiltration’
of anyone questioning the 9/11 cover up


http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staffer-infiltration-911-groups/
By Daniel Tencer Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 -- 10:48 pm


In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.

As head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Sunstein is in charge of "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs," according to the White House Web site.

Sunstein's article, published in the Journal of Political Philosphy in 2008 and recently uncovered by blogger Marc Estrin, states that "our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."

By "crippled epistemology" Sunstein means that people who believe in conspiracy theories have a limited number of sources of information that they trust. Therefore, Sunstein argued in the article, it would not work to simply refute the conspiracy theories in public -- the very sources that conspiracy theorists believe would have to be infiltrated.
Story continues below...

Sunstein, whose article focuses largely on the 9/11 conspiracy theories, suggests that the government "enlist nongovernmental officials in the effort to rebut the theories. It might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."

Download a PDF of the article here.

Sunstein argued that "government might undertake (legal) tactics for breaking up the tight cognitive clusters of extremist theories." He suggested that "government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

"We expect such tactics from undercover cops, or FBI," Estrin writes at the Rag Blog, expressing surprise that "a high-level presidential advisor" would support such a strategy.

Estrin notes that Sunstein advocates in his article for the infiltration of "extremist" groups so that it undermines the groups' confidence to the extent that "new recruits will be suspect and participants in the group’s virtual networks will doubt each other’s bona fides."

Sunstein has been the target of numerous "conspiracy theories" himself, mostly from the right wing political echo chamber, with conservative talking heads claiming he favors enacting "a second Bill of Rights" that would do away with the Second Amendment. Sunstein's recent book, On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done, was criticized by some on the right as "a blueprint for online censorship."

Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors,'" wrote Ed Lasky at American Thinker.

 I just responded to a republican senatorial committee survey. Of coarse none of the real issues were among the subject matter of the survey. I did write in a request for them to consider the issues of the campaign for liberty and support a real 9/11 investigation if they wanted my support.  I guess im probably on the extermination list :-X

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2010, 10:52:37 am »



Quote
Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors,'" wrote Ed Lasky at American Thinker.

Well, WE all know this has been going on for a LONG TIME ... the THOUGHT POLICE have been
thoroughly embedded in the INTERNET since startup. They viewed 'counter-insurgency' a
killer-op from day one ... WorldWideWiretap.

But their bullsh*t NWO shills are losing the INFO-WARS, Big Time ... and they know it ... so:

... they are just now making it official that 'anti-government' thinking
will soon be punishable by 'law'.

OUR RESPONSE: 

BRING IT ON, *SSHOLES! FURTHER REVEAL YOURSELVES TO THE WORLD!






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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2010, 10:54:21 am »
And people still cant see the writing on the wall...
The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2010, 11:01:25 am »
I'm telling you guys, COINTELPRO-style operations have been ongoing in the United States for years, at least since 2001, and maybe beforehand (though I don't have personal experience with this).  The colossal networks of informants (police informants, Infragard, neighborhood watches, etc...) make these kinds of operations work.  Even if you don't believe in "organized stalking" I hope you'll study our accounts and learn something about how these guys are already in your midst and poised to betray you.

Informant networks have the tendency to grow out of control in a police state.  There are far more informants out there than most of you are aware of.

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2010, 11:05:27 am »
Quote
Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors,'" wrote Ed Lasky at American Thinker.

Hey Cass, now you know the originator of the following, soon to be viral, rumor:

"Cass Sustein eats live fetuses while raping decapitated goats...or does he?"

There ya go Cass, you anti-American, anti-constitutional pile of dog shit!

North Korea, China, Cuba and Saudi Arabia are looking for a few good men like you to help them mind control, demonize, and exterminate their freedom loving populations!

UPDATE: Hey look Cass, the US courts already rejust your batshit crazy ideas especially concerning satirical rumors:



Arguing With An Idiot:
Glenn Beck's Lawsuit Against Parody Site Rejected

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.printFriendly&art_aid=116991
Wendy Davis, Nov 06, 2009 07:24 PM

An arbitrator has rejected controversial talk show host Glenn Beck's contention that the domain name glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com infringes his trademark. World Intellectual Property Organization arbitration panelist Frederick Abbott ruled Friday that the less-than-flattering domain name was protected by fair use principles because the URL, when combined with the site's content, constitutes protected speech.

 Abbott wrote that the site's creator, Isaac Eiland-Hall, "can be said to be making a political statement," which is a "legitimate non-commercial use" of Beck's name.

Eiland-Hall had argued that the site parodied Beck by using the same rhetorical techniques that Beck uses on the air. In legal papers filed on his behalf by First Amendment lawyer Marc Randazza, he referenced a YouTube clip of Beck interviewing Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), a Muslim, during which Beck asked Ellison to prove that he was "not working with our enemies."

Eiland-Hall also argued that the site doesn't infringe on Beck's trademark because there's no likelihood that Web users wrongly think he's affiliated with it. "Only an abject imbecile could believe that the domain name would have any connection to the complainant," Randazza wrote.

The domain name itself stems from a Web meme originating on Aug. 31, when a commenter on Fark.com posed the question: "Why haven't we had an official response to the rumor that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990?" The following day, Eiland-Hall set up the site.

The decision appears to mark a significant win for digital rights advocates because a ruling in Beck's favor could have encouraged other subjects of online parodies to take their complaints directly to the WIPO rather than U.S. courts, which are bound by the First Amendment. Some U.S. courts have ruled in other cases that parody sites don't infringe in trademark, even if they use a famous name in the URL.

Sam Bayard, assistant director of the Citizen Media Law Project, cheered the ruling for that reason. "It's good to see that this WIPO arbitrator had no interest in allowing Beck to circumvent the guarantees of the U.S. Constitution," he said in a blog post.

Although he won the case, Eiland-Hall on Friday offered to transfer the domain name to Beck. "I want to demonstrate to you that I had my lawyer fight this battle only to help preserve the First Amendment," he wrote in a public letter to Beck. "Now that it is safe, at least from you (for the time being), I have no more use for the actual scrap of digital real estate you sought."
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2010, 11:41:37 am »
I'm telling you guys, COINTELPRO-style operations have been ongoing in the United States for years, at least since 2001, and maybe beforehand (though I don't have personal experience with this).  The colossal networks of informants (police informants, Infragard, neighborhood watches, etc...) make these kinds of operations work.  Even if you don't believe in "organized stalking" I hope you'll study our accounts and learn something about how these guys are already in your midst and poised to betray you.

Informant networks have the tendency to grow out of control in a police state.  There are far more informants out there than most of you are aware of.
People do believe you btw, I've been wondering who's real here and who isn't for a while.

I REALLY want to know: who here pays federal income tax? Is anyone protesting that yet? These Nazis get paid by US.

Here's a link to one of his pukey articles: http://www.littlemag.com/mar-apr01/cass.html
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2010, 11:55:55 am »
And one more on whether the internet is a good thing for "democracy" (communism)

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR26.3/sunstein.html
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2010, 01:29:18 pm »
I can't read that shit...I am already nauseous.......
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2010, 01:36:22 pm »
I REALLY want to know: who here pays federal income tax? Is anyone protesting that yet? These Nazis get paid by US.

That's obviously not the sort of thing people are going to discuss in a public forum.  For me, this isn't an issue because I'll owe $0, so it doesn't matter whether or not I comply.  When I address the issue of tax (non)compliance, I do it somewhat artfully, in the form of suggestions:

"Think long and hard about what your tax dollars are paying for, before you put the amount owed in the lower right hand box and sign the dotted line."

"Here's a tax tip: go to your employer and tell him to withold the absolute minimum from your paycheck (ideally, $0) that is allowable. You want to be owing Uncle Sam on Tax Day, not the other way around. Just ask Californians what kind of refund they got last year. They paid real money and got back IOU's."

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2010, 02:43:18 pm »

The fact that this freak would suggest is proof the managers ( I would hate to say leaders)of this nation are intimidated.
If in fact truthers were tin hats kooks, the powers would laugh us off.
Ya they are worried, truth has that effect.

In order for them to carry out this insanity it would be necessary for them to create the image of those who are truthers to be terrorist sympathizers, dangerous disidents, traitors, a threat to NS.
I wonder what they would do to stigmatize truthers to this degree, it gets me thinking. False flags anyone?

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2010, 03:20:37 pm »
hmm, sounds like Sunstein's just implicated POPULAR MECHANICS in the sponsored lie, 9-11.

very interesting REVELATION.

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2010, 03:31:03 pm »
Quotes from the document...

"Expanding the cast further, one may see the game as involving four players: government officials, conspiracy theorists, mass audiences, and independent experts – such as mainstream scientists or the editors of Popular Mechanics – whom government attempts to enlist to give credibility to its rebuttal efforts."

"The first dilemma is that either ignoring or rebutting a conspiracy theory has distinctive costs. Ignoring the theory allows its proponents to draw ominous inferences from the government’s silence. If the theory stands unrebutted, one possibility is that it is too ludicrous to need rebuttal
[That's right, the nanothermite evidence is "too ludicrous to need rebuttal", it's obviously just your run-of-the-mill explosive primer paint], but another is that the government cannot offer relevant evidence to the contrary; the suppliers of the conspiracy theories will propose the second inference. On this view, all misinformation (the initial conspiracy theory) should be met with countermisinformation."

"In a typical pattern, government plays a wait-and-see strategy: ignore the conspiracy theory until it reaches some ill-defined threshold level of widespread popularity, and then rebut. There is a straightforward logic to this strategy. First, when the government ignores the theory, either the relevant audiences will draw an inference that the theory is silly, or else will infer that the government cannot effectively deny it. If the conspiracy theory does not spread despite government’s silence, the former inference is probably dominant, and response is unnecessary. Second, there is an option value to the strategy of ignoring the theory: a public rebuttal now is costly or impossible to undo, but maintaining silence now leaves government with the option to rebut later, if it chooses to do so. On this approach, when faced with a spreading conspiracy theory, government should wait until the marginal expected benefits of further delay just equal the marginal expected costs of leaving the theory unrebutted. Finally and most generally, it seems silly and infeasible to chase after and rebut every conspiracy theory that comes to government’s attention."

"After 9/11, one complex of conspiracy theories involved American Airlines Flight 77, which hijackers crashed into the Pentagon. Some theorists claimed that no plane had hit the Pentagon; even after the Department of Defense released video frames showing Flight 77 approaching the building
[Lol @ that gross exaggeration] and a later explosion cloud, theorists pointed out that the actual moment of impact was absent from the video, in order to keep alive their claim that the plane had never hit the building. (In reality the moment of impact was not captured because the video had a low number of frames per second.) Moreover, even those conspiracists who were persuaded that the Flight 77 conspiracy theories were wrong folded that view into a larger conspiracy theory. The problem with the theory that no plane hit the Pentagon, they said, is that the theory was too transparently false, disproved by multiple witnesses and much physical evidence. Thus the theory must have been a straw man initially planted by the government, in order to discredit other conspiracy theories and theorists by association."

"Likewise, when the National Institute of Standards and Technology issued a fact sheet to disprove the theory that the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition
*Facepalm*, the spokesman stated that “[w]e realize this fact sheet won’t convince those who hold to the alternative theories that our findings are sound. In fact, the fact sheet was never intended for them. It is for the masses who have seen or heard the alternative theory claims and want balance.”"
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9/11 was an inside job
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Re: Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2010, 03:46:25 pm »
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
— John Lennon (1969)
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2010, 03:51:28 pm »
"Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a “crippled epistemology,” in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups."

That's right, we are an extremist group!

"First, conspiracy theories may be held by only a tiny fraction of the population. Perhaps only a handful of kooks believe that U.S. government officials had any kind of role in the events of 9/11. Second, even if a particular conspiracy theory is widely held in the sense that many people will confess to it when polled, conspiracy theories may typically be held as “quasi-beliefs” – beliefs that are not costly and possibly even fun to hold, like a belief in aliens in Roswell or UFOs, and that do not form a premise for action.53 Many people profess to believe, and in some sense do believe, that eternal life depends upon actions that they do not take. So too, perhaps many people quasi-believe in conspiracy theories yet do not take action on account of those quasi-beliefs."

"Even if only a small fraction of adherents to a particular conspiracy theory act on the basis of their beliefs, that small fraction may be enough to cause serious harms. Consider the Oklahoma City bombing, whose perpetrators shared a complex of conspiratorial beliefs about the federal government. Many who shared their beliefs did not act on them, but a few actors did, with terrifying consequences."

"Some conspiracy theories create serious risks. They do not merely undermine democratic debate; in extreme cases, they create or fuel violence. If government can dispel such theories, it should do so. One problem is that its efforts might be counterproductive, because efforts to rebut conspiracy theories also legitimate them. We have suggested, however, that government can minimize this effect by rebutting more rather than fewer theories, by enlisting independent groups to supply rebuttals, and by cognitive infiltration designed to break up the crippled epistemology of conspiracy-minded groups and informationally isolated social networks."

"Overall, conspiracy theorizing is undoubtedly virulent in the Muslim world, has a sharply anti-American inflection, and poses problems that are somewhat distinctive, so a brief discussion is warranted."
The truth will set you free
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Wake up American slobs
9/11 was an inside job
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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2010, 04:01:53 pm »
No matter what they say, what bull shit laws they pass. WE ARE FREE PEOPLE......EVERYONE IS WAKING UP!!! Are we all terrorists???
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
— John Lennon (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEej1feA9N8

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2010, 04:03:24 pm »
Obama Information Czar Calls For Banning Free Speech
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-information-czar-calls-for-banning-free-speech.html



What do you think? Mind control or demon posession? With a smile like that u know somethings going on!
The truth will set you free
From global tyranny
Wake up American slobs
9/11 was an inside job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OntBg2qwk_M&fmt=35

Century of Manipulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mujq-C1UAw0

... Here's Tom with the weather!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CCIcjIngLA

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Re: Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2010, 04:49:07 pm »
Wow. NO WONDER all the bridges leading into D.C. are monitored.

Obama and his communist buddies are deliberately inciting the people at this point.

I wonder how effectively they could roadblock the Beltway when they realize 1,000,000 angry citizens (not terrorists) were in transit to initiate vehicular disobedience.  ;D
Speaking of that a friend of mine was thinking the same thing. He wrote it in my local paper.
Imagine a cross between Paul Bunyan and Che Guevara with a little Jim Carey, Elmer Fudd and Patrick Henry thrown in and you're getting close. -In reference to Alex Jones

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2010, 06:30:40 pm »
Hey,

Does anyone know how this will affect the Jesse Ventura show??

I only saw one episode  >:(
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2010, 07:44:45 pm »
Senator Chuck Schumer tried this back in the early 90's too.

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2010, 08:29:40 pm »
Hey Cass, now you know the originator of the following, soon to be viral, rumor:

"Cass Sustein eats live fetuses while raping decapitated goats...or does he?"

There ya go Cass, you anti-American, anti-constitutional pile of dog shit!

North Korea, China, Cuba and Saudi Arabia are looking for a few good men like you to help them mind control, demonize, and exterminate their freedom loving populations!

UPDATE: Hey look Cass, the US courts already rejust your batshit crazy ideas especially concerning satirical rumors:



Arguing With An Idiot:
Glenn Beck's Lawsuit Against Parody Site Rejected

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.printFriendly&art_aid=116991
Wendy Davis, Nov 06, 2009 07:24 PM

An arbitrator has rejected controversial talk show host Glenn Beck's contention that the domain name glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com infringes his trademark. World Intellectual Property Organization arbitration panelist Frederick Abbott ruled Friday that the less-than-flattering domain name was protected by fair use principles because the URL, when combined with the site's content, constitutes protected speech.


 So who owns http://www.alexjoneswantstoenslaveyouanddragyourwifearoundbythehairandrapeyourchildrenwithbatteryacid.com  ? ;D

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2010, 08:43:52 pm »
Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology

Atleast I'm not JEWISH LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Seriously what the hell is up with all these guys. I find some guy making a totally insane statement and trying to repress me. Look him up. And bam. It's a Jew. Always a Jew.
It doesn't matter where I go on the internet. I can try and talk about Agenda 21 affecting Australian farmers, and a few Jews will just pop in there to call me a conspiracy theorist. I'm not even lying  >:(

Every single time I look one of these guys up, it's a Jew.

I'm an aboriginal Australian. I've never even met a Jew irl I live in Queensland Australia ffs.

But regardless they're still down on me anyway? WTF

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Re: Top Obama czar: All Americans who expose 9/11 lies must be exterminated
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2010, 08:52:15 pm »
Obama Information Czar Calls For Banning Free Speech
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-information-czar-calls-for-banning-free-speech.html



What do you think? Mind control or demon posession? With a smile like that u know somethings going on!

pedophile.....
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