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Offline SirGoodGuyofLiverspot

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Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« on: November 18, 2007, 07:33:28 pm »
I agree with soooooo much of what Alex says, and of the Conservative philosophy, that of smaller government, the constitution and the Bill of Rights. That pro Second Amendment is the line of defense between a tyranny taking over the government and funding it's tyranny with well armed thugs. That a man deserves the right to protect himself, his family and his home.

I so get it.

But, caution is the better part of valor and one should walk softly and carry a big stick...that is why the neighbor who shot the burglar just shot gun owners in the face. We will all be permanently disfigured by the fact that they will now say we shoot first and ask questions later. That an armed man couldn't first demand that they lay down or he would shoot...No, we all heard how it went down. His adrenaline was at a fever pitch and he shot and killed people he could have arrested as an armed citizen. Thus proving gun owners to be a reasonable alternative to the police who also like to shoot first and ask questions later.

My argument is this...Almost every single person at some time does something like this...often in our teens we get caught shop lifting. I know people who have gone into peoples homes and been caught and prosecuted. They should go to jail. And if they are in the house while people are at home then of course all bets are off.

Alex Jones is fanning the flames of this fire and it is my opinion that he needs to imagine his son at 17 doing something this stupid and being shot and killed for it. Imagine a security guard killing your son because he stole at a CD at the mall. You yourself say often on your show you weren't a perfect kid.

If we throw discretion in the fire with everything else than justice, proper lawful wise justice is nothing more than ash...there is a fine line of being lawfully armed and lawfully vigilant of a man's castle, his neighborhood, his town and his country...but trigger happy is the same mindset that makes 18 year old men and women to line up at the recruiting office after the latest false flag. Alex I think you are wrong here and should alter your stance on this. Because I know you see the difference.

You yourself said you wouldn't have done it because you wouldn't want the hassle of what would happen because of it. That is a reasonable deduction of a gun owner...He just shot people because his adrenaline took him past the point of reason.

This is a teaching opportunity. Other people need to know that there are several choices in this situation and killing people is not the best choice--for many reasons. I guaranteee you, two years from now when this guy is in prison or court he'll wish he hadn't pulled the trigger. He may even have a hard time looking these people's mother's in the eye.

He didn't end anything by his actions, he started a dry field on fire and his own life will go up in flames first. I know this is all about principles but this should not be the shot heard around the world because poor desperate people who turn to crime aren't the problem, the problem are elite bankers hoarding money, power and opportunity. In a righteous world people wouldn't ever need to rob...and the problems of our society begins at the top.

What should happen to the man? He should do time. If they were in his house then he should have been able to kill them and walk free.

This is why we need wise, judges, lawyers, juries and laws...and media to help us understand these differences.




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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 10:01:42 pm »
I don't think we know enough about the circumstances regarding this situation to fairly judge this man. What was the relationship between the man and his neighbors? Has this happened before? Did this happen to him personally before? Has he seen previous violence involving illegal immigrants in his neighborhood? Did he have a reason to fear that they would assault him?

These questions need to be answered thoroughly before we can cast any blame on him.

And personally, if I was armed, and I knew my neighbors were being robbed, I'd help 'em out.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 11:46:59 pm »
If I was armed I probably would have done what Alex said he would do today on KLBJ...Ordered them to stop or die...at least then he would have a better chance in court...possibly even self defense...But the audio clearly paints the picture...This man felt he had to do something...But his first thoughts were to shoot...this is not reasonable...In fact if I were his attorney I would use this and anything else in his past to get him an insanity plea...

I don't think it is rational to just shoot--whether it's a cop, a soldier or a concerned neighbor. It's the same idea as when a cop just tasers someone they can easily wrestle into handcuffs like a child or a woman. Reasonable force is something that needs to be concluded by reasonable people and it seems 24, Dexter and other pro-torture TV programming is doing one heck of a job taking modern day man and turning him into modern day thug.

I would hate to have to find a jury who isn't so mesmerized by vigilante violence in movies as to understand how important a distinction this is.

There are laws that need to be bent and even broken...but when it comes to shooting people with guns, tasering them or torturing them the line is penned in golden ink as in the golden rule...If we are to do unto to others as they have done to us-- then punishment needs to fit the crime...But guess what...?

People are administering punishment before a trial...before we even know what crime was committed...

Ever hear the one about the guy who shot the home invader who turned out to be his son who had come home from college a day early?

Reasonable people who want the right to own guns need to be reasonable...I love westerns but I really don't want my neighborhood to become one...But if it does, I don't want to be the only one without a gun. It's not a Catch 22, it's a matter of evaluating the circumstances at hand.

I know femacamper you are being reasonable in saying we need to have more evidence before we judge the shooter...The same amount of time the shooter gave the burglars? What if the cops rolled up and shot him without first demanding he drop the gun? What if the burglars weren't burglars at all...he shot before he even knew what was in the bag.

These distinctions are key to preventing war here in our streets and yet just about everyone I see in power seems to be agitating toward it. Alex accuses the NWO of exactly that yet advocates this sort of vigilantism...I really hope he changes his stance on this...I listen to Alex because to me he seems to clearly see these sort of distinctions where many don't...

When people hear conflicting messages from the media this creates cognitive dissonance that lures this sort of person into a fight. A person who apparently has a hard time differentiating between what is and isn't reasonable force... Which will in the end allow the gun controllers to enact more laws against guns...again I'm surprised to hear Alex say what he said. I hope he addresses this more clearly on tomorrows show.





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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 10:05:44 am »
If they had guns, they could shoot you while you said that.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 12:45:14 pm »
Femacamper, please know I mean no disrespect as I argue this point.

I agree with that...but that is the risk of living in a world of cops, robbers, citizens and guns. That's why laws that surround violence, assault, murder etc, have varying circumstances. Why self defense is a legitimate defense...why the law is drawn to allow a person to kill an intruder in the home...Why police are supposed to warn first...Why the guy on the phone told the neighbor to not do what he did...

Anyhow, I already made my case. Our judicial system is highly flawed but they do get some things right. I just don't want gun owners encouraged to start shooting because they will send in the troops to take the guns away.

If foreign troops end up policing our streets, chances are it will be only after they kick down the doors and escort gun owners away. If they kick down the door...you might as well start shooting.

However I have to confess I am not a gun owner. I figure...I will need to be able to kill hundreds of thousands of people personally before a gun will protect me at all...Because if you kill one person, the so called authorities will keep coming until you are apprehended...Therefore thinking ahead allows me to deduce that this particular brand of resistance will ultimately fail...Therefore I like the Andy Griffith approach to law...The Sheriff without a gun...Sure, Andy would weapon up when necessary but...back to the real world...

I am especially behind the second amendment, posse comitatus, citizen militias and ex police and soldiers standing firm against such attacks on our individual rights... They have been trained to understand the gun...This sort of cowboy justice has a fine line between self defense and wisely deterring tyranny by being well armed...as I said...walk softly and carry a big stick...

As individuals we are all flawed, we have all done things we aren't proud of...but laws attempt to protect us from the worst of each other...the problem comes when our elected officials abuse this power...laws are an attempt to draw up a contract between people...some laws end up serving the officials who wrote the law...those laws are wrong and should be identified as such...However, we the highly flawed people have to vigilantly guard against the worst of ourselves while aspiring to the best...To let anger take over and fuel violence the end result will be more laws and more cops and more prisons and more troops and more power to those who already have it.

So logical rational communication is the ultimate key...When the general public sees the citizen being rational and the authorities being irrational then the time will be ripe for a revolution...

and some revolutions can succeed without violence.


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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 12:55:41 pm »
this has nothing to do with revolution it has to do with the right to defend your property.  for some reason, we are being conditioned that "the state" is the only one who is able to decide how property is protected.  that is total bullshit and is completely against a free and open society.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 01:47:47 pm »
Yes, protecting property is paramount and a large part of the revolution. What I am speaking of is good law and bad law as it pertains to our rights. The laws that surround shooting people are pretty good laws. If neighbors are allowed to shoot and kill people running from their neighbors house the end result is smearing the laws that attempt to have people reason out the situation.

A reasonable response is to get the license plate and call the cops. At the extreme is to do a citizens arrest. Which needs to have a warning attached...stop or I'll shoot. If they turn and look as if they are going to shoot...then shoot...But this scenario is known as escalating violence. That is why certain laws try and protect from escalating violence.

For you to say rights have nothing to do with a revolution is...well...to use your word...bullshit.

Aren't you a moderator? I thought we weren't supposed to swear and be curteous?


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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 03:25:21 pm »
Yes, protecting property is paramount and a large part of the revolution. What I am speaking of is good law and bad law as it pertains to our rights. The laws that surround shooting people are pretty good laws. If neighbors are allowed to shoot and kill people running from their neighbors house the end result is smearing the laws that attempt to have people reason out the situation.
Reason out what situation, these people stole from his neighbor, they could have killed everyone in the house.  It is as if China came over and stole California, don't you think that Nevad might get pissed off and start shooting? [yeah I know analogies can be a bitch]

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A reasonable response is to get the license plate and call the cops. At the extreme is to do a citizens arrest. Which needs to have a warning attached...stop or I'll shoot. If they turn and look as if they are going to shoot...then shoot...But this scenario is known as escalating violence. That is why certain laws try and protect from escalating violence.
He did say "your dead."  Maybe they pulled a gun on him or something.  There was no video with the audio.


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For you to say rights have nothing to do with a revolution is...well...to use your word...bullshit. Aren't you a moderator? I thought we weren't supposed to swear and be curteous?
Bullshit is ok, just do not say f**k
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 09:09:49 pm »
alex's comments on this story are over the top! his applauding of this mans behavior is not sitting well with the Australian truth movement! we don't shoot people in Australia like dogs or lame horses and we don't justify it with little more then "well he was being a good neighbor"!

there have been calls (not by me) to pull alex's stories from Australian truth pages! thats how strongly some feel about it!

dear alex, you have appalled members of the Australian truth movement.
we believe in just law and fair trials.
we are fighting for truth and peace and you have let us down with your comments.
i greatly appreciate everything you do but on this matter we differ!
please choose your words carefully as not everyone views cold blooded murder as something to be applauded!

     
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 12:04:53 am »

dear alex, you have appalled members of the Australian truth movement.
we believe in just law and fair trials.Uh these people were shot BREAKING the law
we are fighting for truth and peace and you have let us down with your comments.
i greatly appreciate everything you do but on this matter we differ!
please choose your words carefully as not everyone views cold blooded murder as something to be applauded!Since when is defense murder?

     
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 01:05:02 am »
I notice that a certain blogger spells ridiculous as rediculous no matter who he claims to be or where he's from.

No one is demanding an apology, at least I'm not. I'm merely making the points the prosecuting attorney will likely make.

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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 01:26:50 am »
its not self defense when there in your neighbors yard...



and notashill i said "some members"



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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 04:10:16 am »
Lots of talk here about the poor, young burglars and how crazy and messed up they were, and the shooter should have just waved his gun at them and frightened them off. How young were they? The same age as brave young men dying for their country.
Stop making excuses for scumbags.
How poor were they? I actually think they were behaving like greedy, spoiled brats and that creeping into peoples' homes deserves serious punishment. There is no excuse for it.
Yes, young people make mistakes no, they do not all shoplift or go burgling. Some grow up!
How old was the man who shot the burglars? Very old. And he was on his own of course, old people always are these days. What does it feel like to be very old in our present society? Is it scary, is it lonely, do old people feel vulnerable? yes. Do young people these days have respect for old people? No, many do not. Especially the ones who have had it "tough" cos mummy won't buy them an xbox, and they're filled with self pity and never spare a thought for any one except their own rotten selves.  Would the burglars have listened to the old man if he'd just shouted at them? If he hadn't had a gun and he had shouted at them to stop, these poor darlings would have killed him.
I am guessing here but I bet old people lived in the burgled house too and that is why the scum chose it.
 
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 08:13:29 am »
Lots of talk here about the poor, young burglars and how crazy and messed up they were, and the shooter should have just waved his gun at them and frightened them off. How young were they? The same age as brave young men dying for their country.
Stop making excuses for scumbags.
How poor were they? I actually think they were behaving like greedy, spoiled brats and that creeping into peoples' homes deserves serious punishment. There is no excuse for it.
Yes, young people make mistakes no, they do not all shoplift or go burgling. Some grow up!
How old was the man who shot the burglars? Very old. And he was on his own of course, old people always are these days. What does it feel like to be very old in our present society? Is it scary, is it lonely, do old people feel vulnerable? yes. Do young people these days have respect for old people? No, many do not. Especially the ones who have had it "tough" cos mummy won't buy them an xbox, and they're filled with self pity and never spare a thought for any one except their own rotten selves.  Would the burglars have listened to the old man if he'd just shouted at them? If he hadn't had a gun and he had shouted at them to stop, these poor darlings would have killed him.
I am guessing here but I bet old people lived in the burgled house too and that is why the scum chose it.
 

Yeah, I have to agree you know. If you go onto someone else's property stealing crap - you take your life into your own hands. It's a risk - it should always be - the greater the risk, the less people will do it. They have no right to be there, they live - or die - with the choices they make. Now.. what if they would have been trying to break into the Whitehouse or Sean Hannity's house, or Hillary Clinton's house? OMG, it would be all over the news!!

/rant on

Whitehouse burglar shot!! PRAISE THE COPS for doing such a GOOD JOB! Because the President/Talk Show Propagandist/General is MORE of a human that us!! Just like in Animal Farm!!

Our current criminal justice system is a piece of inflated garbage on steroids. Cops Tazering old ladies in Wheelchairs to death... Come on which is worse?

This? --> Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times

Another ... Family identifies man who died after taser strike

More.. Questions hang over taser death

Or some thug getting shot for trying to steal crap?

I MIGHT be going out on a steep ledge here, but I suspect the Lady in the Wheelchair was a bit *smaller* of a threat.

In all of these cases - the deaths due to the 'Safe Tasers' - killed people who.. .well, really weren't a threat. They weren't breaking into anyone's home - sure the lady in the Wheelchair had two knives and a hammer - she was all mad at her sister (she was also schizophrenic).

DAMN MAN!!! People in Wheelchairs with Knives and Hammers!!! I'm SO GLAD I'm not a cop - I would have BEEN so VERY Scared Indeed!! I stay up at night with HORRIBLE nightmares about 50+ year old Ladies in Wheelchairs coming after me with a handheld weapon. So scary!!

Someone breaking into my house... naaa.. no biggy. No reason to protect myself.

Let's do a comparison - between the people who have died to tasers this year VS. People who have died because they were the 'victim' of someone defending their own home. Wonder which one would involve more deaths?

Oh - but maybe that's just part and parcel of this 'New World Order', huh?

After all Human Life really doesn't have much value anymore. We kill babies before they are even born (spin it however the f**k you want, it has HUMAN DNA, therefore it's human). So let's just taser those to death who don't conform, and once they get old and useless, let's have a computer tag them as 'obsolete' and 'remove them from the rest of humanity'.

/rant off

But - yes in this specific instance - I can't say if they guy was right or wrong, dunno the facts... I'm talking in general there. But - yes, if it would have been some rich snob or a politician - wouldn't this whole argument be VASTLY different? :)

If you lived next door to Some 'Powerful' person - and someone was sneaking in their yard and you blast 'em - you'd be a HERO!!
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2007, 03:32:32 pm »
Great post! I agree totally!
After all Human Life really doesn't have much value anymore. We kill babies before they are even born (spin it however the f**k you want, it has HUMAN DNA, therefore it's human).
I especially like that part, I haven't thought of it that way.

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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2007, 10:35:10 pm »
I'm defending reason and you are defending shooting...

When War finally comes to the American streets and law of the jungle reigns...rape, murder, blood, fear...

I hope you will remember the many billions of people who managed to keep peace in the neighborhood over the course of the last 150 years...Reasonable people who didn't shoot first...

The more I read and listen the more I'm convinced most of you are being paid to agitate toward civil war...which if true is treason of the highest order...although there will be no America left to hold you accountable...God have mercy on your insidious two faced back stabbing souls you mercenary prostitutes...

Who am I directing this to?

Whichever of you collects a paycheck for writing blogs...




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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2007, 12:13:52 am »
I'm defending reason and you are defending shooting... When War finally comes to the American streets and law of the jungle reigns...rape, murder, blood, fear... I hope you will remember the many billions of people who managed to keep peace in the neighborhood over the course of the last 150 years...Reasonable people who didn't shoot first... The more I read and listen the more I'm convinced most of you are being paid to agitate toward civil war...which if true is treason of the highest order...although there will be no America left to hold you accountable...God have mercy on your insidious two faced back stabbing souls you mercenary prostitutes... Who am I directing this to? Whichever of you collects a paycheck for writing blogs...

Dude....

Promoting violence on this board is not tolerated.

Clarifying the second amendment on this board is not discouraged and is important.

Hitler was for gun control

Stalin was for gun control

Mao was for gun control

Castro was for gun control

wtf?  Have you read the second amendment?

When someone comes in your house and threatens to rape your wife or children, or threatens to kill you or your family, you have the right to stop them with lethal force if necessary.  If someone does the same to your neighbor possibly having already raped and killed them, you have the right to tell them to stop.  If they pull a gun on you, you have the right to defend yourself with lethal force if necessary.

The state wants you to look at your house as the state's house.  Your wife and children as being owned by the state.  They want you to think that they are the only ones who have the right to defend them, protect them, keep them safe.

This is so twisted.  They and you do not belong to the state, we belong to ourselves and have the responsibility to defend/ protect ourselves, our family, our homes.  This is a very important constitutional and founding fathers issue and has been protected for over 200 years.  This includes many supreme court decisions.

This is not promoting a civil war, this is promoting basic human rights.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2007, 02:27:36 am »
I heard a pacifist whine:

"BLA BLA BLA collects a paycheck for writing blogs..."

Who the heck here is collecting paychecks for writing blogs?

Cause, I could use the money. :)

But seriously, if you saw thugs bashing in your neighbor's house, and you had your shotgun/luger/whatever handy, wouldn't you try and defuse the situation, somehow, anyhow?

Violence is never tolerable, and neither is rampant crime.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2007, 09:12:08 am »


This is not promoting a civil war, this is promoting basic human rights.

We Don't want Civil War, I don't want a single American's blood running in the streets, there's been too much of that already. Just a country and government that FOLLOWS THE LAWS SET FORTH IN THE CONSTITUTION.

After all that document is the foundation of our country. For those who disagree with the foundation - there are plenty of other places to live. But many of us - agree that those rules and laws should STILL apply. Times may change, but men do not.

I agree with Alex - for all of human history; tyrants have always attempted world domination. And now, we are to believe it's suddenly changed? I'd have zero problems with this country if the laws in the constitution were enforced and followed.

If I die - I die for my country. I have and always will be willing to die for freedom and my country. Not a corrupt government, but my country - big difference there.

We don't want a Civil War - we want a Civil government.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2007, 01:15:25 pm »
We don't want a Civil War - we want a Civil government.

Wow, I will be stealing that one!
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2007, 07:54:34 pm »
The problem is the Castle Doctrine says you can protect your property with deadly force, there is also a deadly force law in effect where you can use deadly force to defend another. This guy did NEITHER, he was not under assault, nor was his neighbors. He saw two people POSSIBLY breaking into his neighbors home, he left the safety of his home ARMED and confronted them, HE went looking for trouble and shot two people who so far as we know were unarmed. They also did not steal anything as far as he knew, and so far TRESPASSING is not an offense you can kill people for.

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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2007, 07:23:30 am »
I thought it was horrible and hypocritical (he hates the NWO for doing the same thing) to hear him gleefully cheer as someone was killed, no matter who they were.  Robbery isn't a murderable offense in my book, especially when he could have fired warning shots or gave him a chance to drop the loot and run off.  I mean, that person may have had no other alternative than that lifestyle, especially if he was from a poor area and was not given a proper education etc.


It also look weird how the site is reporting about a dog being shot by a deputy sheriff in the owner's garden, presumably to show how lawless the police are ( http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/211107_b_dog.htm )  Then you compare that to someone shooting a human being and it is cheered on.

If the guy shot someone in my garden who'd been robbing my house I wouldn't be smiling at him whilst there's a bloody corpse there.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2007, 11:47:50 am »
The dog was a family pet and the authorities had not bothered to find out if it really had bitten anyone. The correct channel of enquiries were not followed. It was not a rabid dog roaming around, needing to be taken out for public safety. If the correct procedures had been followed and it had bitten and needed to be destroyed, it would not have been blasted in the garden in front of the family but taken away quietly and humanely destroyed by a vet. A police thug behaved illegally. He must be made accountable along with his superiors if they ordered this. He traumatised a family, their children and the neighbours.
   The man who shot his neighbours' burglars will be dealt with, hopefully fairly, by the authorities. Perhaps it was not legal.  He was very old. Criminals take a risk when they break the law. Nobody is glad they're dead. But I am also glad the eldery neighbour is not dead.
    The two incidents are not similar and should not be compared.
Lots of comments about the poor darling burglars and their tough lives.  Bit of an insult to the many who have also had tough lives but have risen above a bad start and become reasonable citizens without burgling and threatening others. Why should the burglars behaviour be excused? And if you are going to excuse their behaviour then the elderly neighbour should be excused his behaviour too. He was old, he was alone and felt threatened by them.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2007, 01:21:06 pm »
I've had a very tough life, for being a British person.  Lived in a dump for most of my life, my brother was a druggy, the few friends I got became druggies.  However, I managed to avoid becoming a waster and steered cleared of drugs and even booze.  I know from personal experience that people can be lured to do bad things, such as robbery, by peer preasure or the need to fulfil a habit.  They're not 'demon possessed', the majority of them, they've just gone down the wrong path.  It's not a good guy/bad guy issue; the real world isn't like that.

P.S: I think my comparison between the dog and the robber was ept; the people doing the shooting in both were not following lawful procedures.  The burglar wasn't on the man's land.  I'm pretty sure the Constitution says that guns are to be used to protect your OWN property and put-off any wannabe dictator.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2007, 03:53:15 pm »
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2007, 06:00:59 pm »
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2007, 06:45:34 pm »
The thug police officer was not being personally threatened and did not kill the dog in the heat of the moment. He chose to march into a private home and kill the dog, and as it was he did not even do that properly. He is paid to follow procedures not to be Judge Dread.
The elderly man had called the police but they said sorry they were busy and could not make it.  He was anxious and threatened and made a decision - not the right one perhaps, but understandable to me.
If the poor darling crims. can be forgiven for making mistakes so can the elderly man who shot them.
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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2007, 06:51:20 pm »
What the first day of martial law will look like after they take the guns

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6811292380687611343

More here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=290.0

These people do not play games.  Stop being diverted by nonsense.  They killed over one million innocents in Iraq, over 2 million in Vietnam, over 2 million in Cambodia.  We have hired the head of the stasi and commissars decendants that killed over 50 million.

Wake up, you have no idea what they are planning for you.
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Re: Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2007, 07:26:11 pm »
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Good Neighbor Policy

Now that cloning of humans is becoming an increasingly likely prospect, I have an important question: Can I get a copy of Joe Horn to move in as my next-door neighbor?

Horn is the Pasadena, Texas, resident who called 911 when he saw two burglars breaking into his neighbors' home. While he stayed on the phone with a 911 operator, the burglars ransacked the house. After long, painful minutes of waiting, with no sign of the police, it looked as if the burglars were going to make good their escape. Horn told the operator that he was going out to confront the burglars with a shotgun. That's exactly what he did. The burglars ended up dead.

A few of the usual ninnies are whining about how terrible it is that Horn shot criminals over "mere" home invasion and property. Asks one letter-writer in the pages of the Houston Chronicle, "Does not human life trump some cash, or an iPod, in Texas?."

Well, no -- at least, it shouldn't. When we're talking about thieves caught in the act, we're talking about people whose lives are worth less than lint. I certainly wouldn't execute them once they've surrendered and been taken into custody, but when they attempt to escape, as these two did when confronted by Horn, shooting them is perfectly justified -- and a step toward neighborhood beautification.

Yep, when the science is perfected I'll be first in line for a Joe Horn clone to install next door.

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2007, 07:34:55 pm »
They are also planning on making Nanking look like a minor infraction.  Get ready for your women and children to undergo similar methods.  These guys have been fantasizing about doing this to American Citizens for over 100 years:

he Rape of Nanking - Nanjing Massacre -English Language Edition

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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2007, 07:57:26 pm »
The guy could have handled it a different way and those people and HE would have lived.  Since when is some Chinese made TV worth 2 peoples lives?  If a guy was coming to kill me, I'd damn fight him and put him down and kill him if I had to, but if a guy was robbing my neighbors I'd have gave them warning to get lost and that I'm calling the cops.  If they were the violent type and came over to me, then I'd defend myself.  The person who shot them admits that their deaths are weighing heavily on his conscience -- so you've got to take into account that burden as well.

You smiling away and making allusions to these burglars being an equivalent to a bunch of Japanese soldiers who murdered men and raped women is wrong.  What you're doing is association, a type of brain programming.
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2007, 08:01:34 pm »
If you listen to the full audio, you'll discover that they came on his property before he shot them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jqLie6-Y0
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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2007, 08:28:31 pm »
The guy could have handled it a different way and those people and HE would have lived.  Since when is some Chinese made TV worth 2 peoples lives?  If a guy was coming to kill me, I'd damn fight him and put him down and kill him if I had to, but if a guy was robbing my neighbors I'd have gave them warning to get lost and that I'm calling the cops.  If they were the violent type and came over to me, then I'd defend myself.  The person who shot them admits that their deaths are weighing heavily on his conscience -- so you've got to take into account that burden as well.

You smiling away and making allusions to these burglars being an equivalent to a bunch of Japanese soldiers who murdered men and raped women is wrong.  What you're doing is association, a type of brain programming.

what I am saying is that this is the plan, the endgame as it looks like the "slow bleed" is being uncovered.  So to "rush it" martial law is being pushed.  I am not smiling at all and I am dead serious about many that wish to inflict more massacres on this land than was done in Nanking or in Aushwitz, or in Dresden.  But we are being diverted with stories about how we are not capable of handling firearms, when their endgame is infinitely worse than people defending property and protecting their castle.

as far as brain programming, watch any 8 hour segment of lockup on MSNBC (it is on every night), I lack the facilities to compete.
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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2007, 01:18:31 am »

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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2007, 11:04:58 pm »
Look at the CCW community. They have rules for engagement(shoot no shoot). Did this man follow any of them even after being warned that it was a bad idea?

1. You can shoot only to protect your life or that of someone who is threatened by direct bodily harm.

2. If the assailant breaks the encounter and you go after them then YOU are continuing hostilities. That's the way the law will see it.

3. Its a VERY bad idea to initiate armed confrontation over property. Look at all the legal problems you will face later. I know that it is hard to do because of all the lawlessness nowadays. Unless it is a life essential item your making a permanent judgement in the heat of the moment. Over what?

4. Even pointing a firearm or threatening its use without the above conditions is considered criminal. Waving a Firearm around without the direct threat of bodily injury is considered "brandishing a deadly weapon". That's why Concealed Carry Permit holders shouldn't even draw until they know what they are getting into. It comes with the street smarts and awareness of surroundings.

5. You should try to do everything you can (situation permitting) to avoid escalation and confrontation.

Sadly this incident will be used to paint all CCW'ers ans trigger happy vigilantes from the days of the old west. So if you decide to own and carry a gun please do some sole-searching and research. With owning and using very powerful tools comes great responsibility.


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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2007, 02:07:44 am »
I include a real website (www.genekalmestv.com) with my real name...It may be crazy considering how many crazies I read posting in blogs...But I feel that is the honest, courageous thing to do...and for those who "monitor" these boards and censor people...deleting their entries...the right thing to do would be to give us real names...especially since I already posed the question slash accusation that anyone who would censor free speech are in all likelihood working for a larger agenda and probably getting a paycheck.

So what do you say bloggers of the world...Who are you? Do you have the guts to come out of the cybercloset...

There is no need to fear me...I'm just a pacifist with nothing to lose other than my life which we all lose sooner or later...Isn't that the definition of courage...those who risk death for a principle?

 

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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2007, 07:18:37 am »
I include a real website (www.genekalmestv.com) with my real name...It may be crazy considering how many crazies I read posting in blogs...But I feel that is the honest, courageous thing to do...and for those who "monitor" these boards and censor people...deleting their entries...the right thing to do would be to give us real names...especially since I already posed the question slash accusation that anyone who would censor free speech are in all likelihood working for a larger agenda and probably getting a paycheck.

So what do you say bloggers of the world...Who are you? Do you have the guts to come out of the cybercloset...

There is no need to fear me...I'm just a pacifist with nothing to lose other than my life which we all lose sooner or later...Isn't that the definition of courage...those who risk death for a principle?

Trolling can be played at various levels...

Level one - "Playtime" - This is where the troller is simply out for the gratification provided by a quick "win". An example of this might be to join a list with a fictitious name, cause an argument, withdraw and then boast to friends about what he/she had done. Such trolls are relatively easy to spot because their attack or provocation is fairly blatant, and the persona is fairly two-dimensional.

Level two - "Tactical" - This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona with which to provoke the list, and uses recognised techniques or tactics to gain the confidence and support of individuals on the list. Provocation is subtle and invidious, so spotting this type of troll is not easy, because the persona is credible, and off-list email exchanges have caused you to believe that this person is genuine and trustworthy.
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2007, 02:23:27 am »
identity theft is what you are afraid of? Do you not know the whole identity theft syndrome is created by the New World Order to make you afraid to stand up and be heard on the internet...Sorry...I'm just hearing cowardice Notashill...

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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2007, 01:11:32 pm »
identity theft is what you are afraid of? Do you not know the whole identity theft syndrome is created by the New World Order to make you afraid to stand up and be heard on the internet...Sorry...I'm just hearing cowardice Notashill...

That and it's a damn good excuse to just put chips in people...
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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2007, 03:52:27 am »
huh?