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Offline Spero Et Captivus Nitor

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Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« on: December 17, 2009, 10:11:48 am »
Q- Why is there suffering?

A- Because Spirit is separated from flesh.

This is fact.

Because you Are Human.

You are completely different from all living forms on earth.

And, you constantly know and constantly seek to understand your connection.

Then, you wonder.  And look.  And study.  And compare.  And sometimes You see.  Then, you plan.

Sometimes, you feel outside and sometimes you feel inside, "As One!".

Othertimes, you do towards "As One!" because you see the possibilities.

Then, you get motivated!

But, you remember too much always.

Then, you back-down.  Because you Know.

That is, You See because you Love.

And, You know this is NOT the WAY.

Because your true being tells you this.

Of which, you do not do normally.  Because you are programmed.

You will not move on the most important.  Because you are afraid.

In fact, your whole life is guided by fear of physical action- not on thinking; believing; pretending; etc.

And, you usually need proof in physical terms, as to your success when fighting, trying, doing, etc.

This is normal and healthy.  Because you are human.

However, this is why you are controllable.  You fear consequences of physical actions- be they from people or spirits.

In particular, you are afraid to amend your body to your faith- even among your congregation.  Because you fear of what other people will think, and do.

This is your center of fear, which is manipulated constantly.

This is why you are reminded over, and over, and over, and over to BELIEVE...

In fact, You have been 'taught' to see and feel what you can 'Believe.'

But, you Know in your Heart: The Truth and The Way.

And, you often forget: You Are Chosen to See and Become- Always.

I understand your fear.  I want my family and friends to live forever.  In fact, I want all like people to live forever.  (The fact is, They will.  This is promised.  I just need to get My Being together so I can be with them forever...)

Remember: You create your reality, which is connected to something always.  Look around.  There is your proof.

IN FACT: The ONLY time you suffer is when you are not consciously connected to your Spirit.

AND:  The only reason people suffer is because WE suffer as individuals, while NOT remembering, all things ARE connected.



NOW, Consider:  Evil KNOWS this.

The above 'words' spoke nothing of good or evil.

Fortunately, You know the difference.

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There IS a War for Your Mind; your spirit and your flesh.

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You, and Everything connected to You, is as putty- to the Hands of God- through Jesus and His Host.

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Please Remember:  The Mustard Seed


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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2009, 10:28:02 am »
thanks for this mate, good read
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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 11:17:51 pm »
The evil fractional reserve banking system and people of weak wills who refuse to understand anything.

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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 12:05:43 pm »
Hey Brother,

MORE THAN AGREED!!!

You are a Good Man.

And, I apologize for not responding sooner- sincerely.

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You Know: The Crux of the matter.

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But: MOST PEOPLE DON'T

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And: I feel that you think and feel: Most people are stupid; do not care really; and they are not worth Your time- for the long run.

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Because:

They believe in ghosts and goblins- and get the demons taken-away in public;

They speak and write of forgotten fables; faery tales; good luck versus bad luck signs and sigils; and fortune tellers- who live in them today;

They go for psychotherapy because their medication is not working;

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And: They have something you want to have. Which is of the world. Which you would do better.

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That is: You hate hippocrites. Which is why you cannot have, which you know.

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But: You still think, "If I were like them..."

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Which: You can never Be.

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Then: You wonder about Faith.

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Because: You wonder Why people believe in Words?

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As to:  bible (whatever conglomeration) [christian]; verses koran (whatever conglomeration) [muslim]; versus torah (whatever conglomeration) [jew]; versus veda (whatever conglomeration) [hindu]; versus tripitaka (whatever conglomeration) [buddah];- as to major religions...

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In fact:  There are many, many others; as to belief in an Ultimate Authority.

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As well: All pantheistic beliefs revere an Ultimate Authority.

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That is: Even though people are stupid; manipulative; self-seeking; empty; hypocritical; etc.

They have power; make things happen they want; and enjoy things they gather; because they Believe.

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This Is Why: You do not have power; or the things you want.

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Because: You Believe: "IF I Had; IF I Could; WHEN I Can.."

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In Other Words: Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...

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So: Who is the Real Hippocrite?

The dummy doing what he or she believes;

Or, the smart person who cannot make a choice;

While knowing it is belief that makes the difference.

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Fact: No human gets off the fence without faith to take the leap.

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Fortunately: You know your heart, which guides your Being.

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Otherwise: You would not waste your time to help people.

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That Is: You Are Good.

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So: Your choices, as to belief, are limited; as You know; which aggravates your thinking mind.
This is normal and healthy; as it is for all who think deeply; and for those who care deeply.
Especially, for those of us whose vast experience with people speak loudly to the contrary.
But, our concern for the well being of others trumps most other concerns in daily living.
This is the greatest sign that you cannot make yourself believe in something you are not.

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Note: Even if you fake it; which we all do; it does not last; and it does not fulfill.
This is why we struggle with belief; We always find ourselves wanting to Be.
That is, when we are Being; no thinking takes place; we do not fear and we do not want.
We come to understand the Source of personal peace, strength and connectedness.
While we discern all things of the world; give attention to Love; and seek to protect Life.

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Evil Knows This: Which is why ALL 'non-believers' are manipulated constantly.
Of course, 'non-believers' are humans without faith in something greater.
You see it everyday.
Which is why they bounce around concerning belief in something.
Yet, the undecided human always seeks to fill the emptiness.

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Fact: Evil can only work to influence those who do not believe in something greater.
And, believe it or not, Only those Who Know they serve can See.
Hence, the suffering caused by seemingly good peoples' actions, which confound you.

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That is: Human happiness is based mainly upon belief.
You see that everyday also.
The rest; fortunately or unfortunately; is Living.
And, the choices of our actions is up to us.
Because we have in us forever: Free Will.

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My Suggestion as to Faith/Belief/Religion:

1. You know there is more than you.
2. You know what you do not want.
3. You know what is good and bad.
4. You know you cannot be happy alone.
5. You know your choice.

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In future: Please do not throw all babies out with the bath water because some weaklings displease you.

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Live Long and Prosper,

I Am Your Friend

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P.S. Plug 'The Creature from Jekyll Island' in your signature line.

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P.P.S. I only 'went-off' on your post  because you apparently do not understand the reasons; or have no empathy for 'weak wills' or 'closed minds'

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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 12:14:14 pm »
http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/fourtruths.html
 

The Four Noble Truths

1. Life means suffering.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

 

1. Life means suffering.

To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in. During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression. Although there are different degrees of suffering and there are also positive experiences in life that we perceive as the opposite of suffering, such as ease, comfort and happiness, life in its totality is imperfect and incomplete, because our world is subject to impermanence. This means we are never able to keep permanently what we strive for, and just as happy moments pass by, we ourselves and our loved ones will pass away one day, too.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof. Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception. Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things. The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow. Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self. What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha. Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment. The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion. Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment. This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering. Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana. Nirvana means freedom from all worries, troubles, complexes, fabrications and ideas. Nirvana is not comprehensible for those who have not attained it.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth. The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object. The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning. Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path.

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html

The Noble Eightfold Path describes the way to the end of suffering, as it was laid out by Siddhartha Gautama. It is a practical guideline to ethical and mental development with the goal of freeing the individual from attachments and delusions; and it finally leads to understanding the truth about all things. Together with the Four Noble Truths it constitutes the gist of Buddhism. Great emphasis is put on the practical aspect, because it is only through practice that one can attain a higher level of existence and finally reach Nirvana. The eight aspects of the path are not to be understood as a sequence of single steps, instead they are highly interdependent principles that have to be seen in relationship with each other.

1. Right View

Right view is the beginning and the end of the path, it simply means to see and to understand things as they really are and to realise the Four Noble Truth. As such, right view is the cognitive aspect of wisdom. It means to see things through, to grasp the impermanent and imperfect nature of worldly objects and ideas, and to understand the law of karma and karmic conditioning. Right view is not necessarily an intellectual capacity, just as wisdom is not just a matter of intelligence. Instead, right view is attained, sustained, and enhanced through all capacities of mind. It begins with the intuitive insight that all beings are subject to suffering and it ends with complete understanding of the true nature of all things. Since our view of the world forms our thoughts and our actions, right view yields right thoughts and right actions.

2. Right Intention

While right view refers to the cognitive aspect of wisdom, right intention refers to the volitional aspect, i.e. the kind of mental energy that controls our actions. Right intention can be described best as commitment to ethical and mental self-improvement. Buddha distinguishes three types of right intentions: 1. the intention of renunciation, which means resistance to the pull of desire, 2. the intention of good will, meaning resistance to feelings of anger and aversion, and 3. the intention of harmlessness, meaning not to think or act cruelly, violently, or aggressively, and to develop compassion.

3. Right Speech

Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics is obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and not to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when necessary.

4. Right Action

The second ethical principle, right action, involves the body as natural means of expression, as it refers to deeds that involve bodily actions. Unwholesome actions lead to unsound states of mind, while wholesome actions lead to sound states of mind. Again, the principle is explained in terms of abstinence: right action means 1. to abstain from harming sentient beings, especially to abstain from taking life (including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently, 2. to abstain from taking what is not given, which includes stealing, robbery, fraud, deceitfulness, and dishonesty, and 3. to abstain from sexual misconduct. Positively formulated, right action means to act kindly and compassionately, to be honest, to respect the belongings of others, and to keep sexual relationships harmless to others. Further details regarding the concrete meaning of right action can be found in the Precepts.

5. Right Livelihood

Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and peacefully. The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2. dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs. Furthermore any other occupation that would violate the principles of right speech and right action should be avoided.

6. Right Effort

Right effort can be seen as a prerequisite for the other principles of the path. Without effort, which is in itself an act of will, nothing can be achieved, whereas misguided effort distracts the mind from its task, and confusion will be the consequence. Mental energy is the force behind right effort; it can occur in either wholesome or unwholesome states. The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness. Right effort is detailed in four types of endeavours that rank in ascending order of perfection: 1. to prevent the arising of unarisen unwholesome states, 2. to abandon unwholesome states that have already arisen, 3. to arouse wholesome states that have not yet arisen, and 4. to maintain and perfect wholesome states already arisen.

7. Right Mindfulness

Right mindfulness is the controlled and perfected faculty of cognition. It is the mental ability to see things as they are, with clear consciousness. Usually, the cognitive process begins with an impression induced by perception, or by a thought, but then it does not stay with the mere impression. Instead, we almost always conceptualise sense impressions and thoughts immediately. We interpret them and set them in relation to other thoughts and experiences, which naturally go beyond the facticity of the original impression. The mind then posits concepts, joins concepts into constructs, and weaves those constructs into complex interpretative schemes. All this happens only half consciously, and as a result we often see things obscured. Right mindfulness is anchored in clear perception and it penetrates impressions without getting carried away. Right mindfulness enables us to be aware of the process of conceptualisation in a way that we actively observe and control the way our thoughts go. Buddha accounted for this as the four foundations of mindfulness: 1. contemplation of the body, 2. contemplation of feeling (repulsive, attractive, or neutral), 3. contemplation of the state of mind, and 4. contemplation of the phenomena.

8. Right Concentration

The eighth principle of the path, right concentration, refers to the development of a mental force that occurs in natural consciousness, although at a relatively low level of intensity, namely concentration. Concentration in this context is described as one-pointedness of mind, meaning a state where all mental faculties are unified and directed onto one particular object. Right concentration for the purpose of the eightfold path means wholesome concentration, i.e. concentration on wholesome thoughts and actions. The Buddhist method of choice to develop right concentration is through the practice of meditation. The meditating mind focuses on a selected object. It first directs itself onto it, then sustains concentration, and finally intensifies concentration step by step. Through this practice it becomes natural to apply elevated levels concentration also in everyday situations.
One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds. Frank Zappa

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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 12:25:48 pm »
Wilhelm Reich's books cover why people suffer very well.



Review by By L. Stearns Newburg "LSN" (CA USA)

A call to arms... and legs... and...., December 16, 2003:

In this volume, Wilhelm Reich calls for an end to sexual repression, and he asks how we came to organize ourselves into societies in which such repression is enforced.

He finds in Malinowski's _The Sexual Lives of Savages_ a description of how man deals with sexuality prior to the establishment and enforcement of compulsory sex-morality; and he likes what he sees. In the course of his book, he treats us to lengthy selections from Malinowski. The matrilineal Trobriand Islanders are depicted as free from the Western conflict between father and son, because in their society the maternal uncle takes on the functions of the Western father. The result is a society free of perversion and sex crime. And yet, even the Trobriand Islanders are in danger of destroying their paradise. The chief imposes the institution of cross-cousin marriage on his sons and their wives-to-be, thereby enhancing his own material wealth. The participants in these arranged marriages do not enjoy the freedoms accorded the other children.

The other foundation of Reich's book comes into play at this point, Frederick Engels' _The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State_. Reich uses his sources in combination with his own insights to expose the reason for compulsory sex-morality in Western societies. Compulsory sex-morality, and its denial of adolescent and pre-adolescent sexuality and enforcement of marriage, exists to establish and perpetuate the wealth, privilege and power of an elite.

This book was burned at the behest of the FDA in 1956 as "labeling" for Reich's orgone accumulating devices. Reich was sent to prison in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, where he died in 1957. The book is well-written, thought-provoking, and loaded with pointers to relevant literature. It is available once more, although it is out-of-print at the moment. I highly recommend it.

http://www.amazon.com/INVASION-COMPULSORY-SEX-MORALITY-Wilhelm-Reich/dp/0374509395/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261592340&sr=1-20


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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?- I Do Love You
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 01:13:42 pm »
Finally, a Learning Mind responds!

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A beautiful mind; attached to a capable body; attached to a benevolent spirit; which knows there is way more.

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Hence, the thinking response to inform another loving being;

As your flesh struggles, in Wonder, with: Why?

And, “…how can I communicate…”

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Otherwise, you would not cut & paste;

To inform an apparently informed mind;

Or, try to put it in a box for your understanding;

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As to: The Four Noble Truths

I appreciate your information.

And, I'm impressed that you included the Noble Eightfold Path.

However, this makes me wonder; if you understand the ‘Way’ truly.

Because you did not take the time to point simply, in your experience, to the Way.

This would bother many of my friends; who are living Now.

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As to my friends who try to live the Way:

Of course, we argue.

And, we agree to disagree.

Because duty; love; and being; is the major concern.

Especially, we agree, concerning the challenges of evil against all humanity.

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That is, we agree:

1. Religion differences coalesce against Evil, always.

2. Belief differences coalesce against Evil, always.

3. People differences coalesce against Evil, always.

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This is why people of conscience do not falter to fight.

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Evil knows this.

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I do not know if you are good or bad.

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But, I wonder why you would try to inform me.

Or probe me, as to belief.

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I know my truth.

I am not persuaded.

Because I am informed.

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I like your mind.

And, I believe your intentions are good.

But, I get this funny feeling in my gut;

You believe ‘One World’ is not only possible;

The World ‘As One’ is imminent.

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This tells me you adverse to the challenges of hands-on human struggle;

A lone survivor; a lover of earth’s diversity; beauty; and nothingness;

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In other words, a Way that leads to Nothingness as Ultimate Peace;

When this is Furthest from the Way;

Or, any ‘ways’, ‘beliefs’, ‘duties’; as written ‘by Man’, ‘Ghosts’, or ‘Nature’

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No offense; I am not impressed with your knowledge of the Way.

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And I feel You do not really believe in Reincarnation.

Neither do I.

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But, You are searching.

Otherwise, you would have never pointed to the Noble Four Truths.

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Of which, you know very little.

Getting close; but still way-out of the park; sorry Bro; nothing personal.

You have to live 'it' to Understand 'it'; then you can partially speak of 'it';

And; it is not in you; it is of you; otherwise, you would speak of the Way- not in 'truths'

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And, as a student of the Way, you would never ever point-out in public: "1. Life means suffering"

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This is a personal experience.

When You Know; you share the Way; because you love truly;

Only those who can understand seek this;

Because You Know it will move upon itself;

And create a way to understanding through your love and attention;

Hence, you seek to be holy;

Which is fine for humans;

This very good concerning your nature; habits; and ability;

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But, your mind is not quiet.

Because You do not believe; even when your flesh; dreams; and others tell you;

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Because fear and dread; pleasure and pain; hope and joy; influence You.

Every impression, thought, action, experience.

In fact, sound moves you deeply- even though You Know it should not.

Pictures move You.

Experience moves You.

You think movement matters.

Hence, you are not in control.

But, the real You Knows the Difference.

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As to the Tao/Buddahism:

You want answers;

Because your nature is to move upon energy constantly;

Like a butterfly to the flower in midday;

As a moth is to a flame at midnight;

As You travel;

You create energy;

Which you do not understand;

Why you fly towards the Light;

That will someday consume you.

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In other words,

Your Being seeks 'truths' always;

Which is part of Your nature;

'True' words, and connected experiences are hard to change.

As your flesh will attest.

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Evil Knows This.

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You Are a Pawn.

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Until You and your flesh become One.

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The answers are not hard;

Neither is the Way;

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The world's yoke is Heavy;

Your burden is Light;

Many See the Way;

Few follow the Path;

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There are many tales told of the Enlightened.

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It is written that they do not hunger or thirst.

Yet, they live among us, as a people.

In scattered lands;

Hiding until the Day calls them forward;

To march Upon;

And vanquish Darkness;

Many Men will Change;

The Earth will be interrupted;

Many years;

The Light Bearer will create Peace.

The Seers will not See;

The One upon the One;

Makes all things Live;

And all things dark.

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Then, the whole cycle starts again...

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Welcome to the Matrix.

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Got a Life Protector?

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All Religions, or Ways, speak of and write of 'personal protection' by way of doing; not doing; belief; prayer; meditation; honor; sacrifice.

ALL.  Check it out.

ALL have deities for your fleshly protection.

And many have promises afterwards.

But, only two (2) 'ways' guarantee everlasting spiritual and living flesh protection.

No, the Jewish Tradition does not.

Nor, does Islam.

Nor, does Sri-Veda or any Veda-Hindu.

Nor, does any Taoism or Buddhism.

No, not even Jainism.

Of course, there are others.

But, they do not call upon their Godhead at death except for a safe passage.

Check that out also.

That's right there are only two in the world:

1. Christianity
2. Luciferian

And, it has been that way for a very long time. Longer than you might expect.

Which makes one wonder why Luciferianism is out of the closet;

Since vestiges of it have been around for so much longer than Christianity;

And, why other religions do not publish exorcism rites or rituals;

When, clearly evil spirits have plagued humanity since recorded history and before;

Isn't that strange?

Christian organizations give easy access to easily understandable information; rituals and rites.

Luciferian organizations give easy access to easily understandable information; rituals and rites.

While ALL others do not- at all.

Not even the oldest.

Hence, The Mystery Schools--ooo-I shudder!!

That is, it's right in front of your face.

And, it has to be.

There can be no power back of it unless it is of knowing in your mind;

Which is connected to your body; which is connected to your spirit;

Mystery Schools teach you to use the unknowing as a bug in the spiderweb;

But, what they do not teach you is: You are connected to the web, and it vibrates back.

Much the same as Karma, since we are all connected.

The power of Christianity (with all its faults), and Luciferianism (with all its risks), is:

You experience your reality within the spiderwebs of humanity;

All of the 'strings' are connected and affect you.

Christians have no true fear of frequencies; even those we cannot hear or feel.

Luciferians base ALL of their magick on frequencies and strings.

Also, one belief requires a quest for good being while the other requires a quest for self-indulgence.

And, we can argue that many people are indistinguishable upon the first few encounters.

However, we all know experiences over time;

And, why we are naturally attracted to one over the other.

Hence, our experiences.

Which include our spiritual quests.

My concern, as an understanding friend, is that you had bad experiences with so-called good people.

Otherwise, you would have spoken cleary of your experiences concerning the Four Noble Truths;

Especially, being that you see the First as: Life = Suffering.

Which by all of my accounts with People of the Way: "Existing in disharmony (not moving to change known unhappiness) or being incomplete (not married particularly) creates self-suffering which vibrates towards others"

Conversely, God makes it very simple through the Word via Christianity (without too much boredom concerning scripture): "Come unto Me; I will give you rest; light; life; love"

No concern for spiderwebs; frequencies; or years of meditation and study; required.

I Sincerely Thank You for your post!

I Am Your Friend

P.S. If I made you a little angry- good. I prefer you understand- not just believe. Because you are a good man.









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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 02:09:45 pm »
I`m with the buddist teachings !
We suffer because we are attached to things - people, possesions, etc etc and we fear losing them.
Leting go lessens the impact of losing these things !
But letting go is of course a very difficult thing to learn.
Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise - Surangama Sutra

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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?- I Do Love You
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2009, 08:18:36 am »
Finally, a Learning Mind responds!

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A beautiful mind; attached to a capable body; attached to a benevolent spirit; which knows there is way more.

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Hence, the thinking response to inform another loving being;

As your flesh struggles, in Wonder, with: Why?

And, “…how can I communicate…”

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Otherwise, you would not cut & paste;

To inform an apparently informed mind;

Or, try to put it in a box for your understanding;

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As to: The Four Noble Truths

I appreciate your information.

And, I'm impressed that you included the Noble Eightfold Path.

However, this makes me wonder; if you understand the ‘Way’ truly.

Because you did not take the time to point simply, in your experience, to the Way.

This would bother many of my friends; who are living Now.

---

As to my friends who try to live the Way:

Of course, we argue.

And, we agree to disagree.

Because duty; love; and being; is the major concern.

Especially, we agree, concerning the challenges of evil against all humanity.

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That is, we agree:

1. Religion differences coalesce against Evil, always.

2. Belief differences coalesce against Evil, always.

3. People differences coalesce against Evil, always.

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This is why people of conscience do not falter to fight.

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Evil knows this.

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I do not know if you are good or bad.

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But, I wonder why you would try to inform me.

Or probe me, as to belief.

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I know my truth.

I am not persuaded.

Because I am informed.

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I like your mind.

And, I believe your intentions are good.

But, I get this funny feeling in my gut;

You believe ‘One World’ is not only possible;

The World ‘As One’ is imminent.

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This tells me you adverse to the challenges of hands-on human struggle;

A lone survivor; a lover of earth’s diversity; beauty; and nothingness;

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In other words, a Way that leads to Nothingness as Ultimate Peace;

When this is Furthest from the Way;

Or, any ‘ways’, ‘beliefs’, ‘duties’; as written ‘by Man’, ‘Ghosts’, or ‘Nature’

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No offense; I am not impressed with your knowledge of the Way.

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And I feel You do not really believe in Reincarnation.

Neither do I.

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But, You are searching.

Otherwise, you would have never pointed to the Noble Four Truths.

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Of which, you know very little.

Getting close; but still way-out of the park; sorry Bro; nothing personal.

You have to live 'it' to Understand 'it'; then you can partially speak of 'it';

And; it is not in you; it is of you; otherwise, you would speak of the Way- not in 'truths'

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And, as a student of the Way, you would never ever point-out in public: "1. Life means suffering"

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This is a personal experience.

When You Know; you share the Way; because you love truly;

Only those who can understand seek this;

Because You Know it will move upon itself;

And create a way to understanding through your love and attention;

Hence, you seek to be holy;

Which is fine for humans;

This very good concerning your nature; habits; and ability;

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But, your mind is not quiet.

Because You do not believe; even when your flesh; dreams; and others tell you;

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Because fear and dread; pleasure and pain; hope and joy; influence You.

Every impression, thought, action, experience.

In fact, sound moves you deeply- even though You Know it should not.

Pictures move You.

Experience moves You.

You think movement matters.

Hence, you are not in control.

But, the real You Knows the Difference.

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As to the Tao/Buddahism:

You want answers;

Because your nature is to move upon energy constantly;

Like a butterfly to the flower in midday;

As a moth is to a flame at midnight;

As You travel;

You create energy;

Which you do not understand;

Why you fly towards the Light;

That will someday consume you.

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In other words,

Your Being seeks 'truths' always;

Which is part of Your nature;

'True' words, and connected experiences are hard to change.

As your flesh will attest.

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Evil Knows This.

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You Are a Pawn.

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Until You and your flesh become One.

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The answers are not hard;

Neither is the Way;

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The world's yoke is Heavy;

Your burden is Light;

Many See the Way;

Few follow the Path;

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There are many tales told of the Enlightened.

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It is written that they do not hunger or thirst.

Yet, they live among us, as a people.

In scattered lands;

Hiding until the Day calls them forward;

To march Upon;

And vanquish Darkness;

Many Men will Change;

The Earth will be interrupted;

Many years;

The Light Bearer will create Peace.

The Seers will not See;

The One upon the One;

Makes all things Live;

And all things dark.

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Then, the whole cycle starts again...

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Welcome to the Matrix.

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Got a Life Protector?

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All Religions, or Ways, speak of and write of 'personal protection' by way of doing; not doing; belief; prayer; meditation; honor; sacrifice.

ALL.  Check it out.

ALL have deities for your fleshly protection.

And many have promises afterwards.

But, only two (2) 'ways' guarantee everlasting spiritual and living flesh protection.

No, the Jewish Tradition does not.

Nor, does Islam.

Nor, does Sri-Veda or any Veda-Hindu.

Nor, does any Taoism or Buddhism.

No, not even Jainism.

Of course, there are others.

But, they do not call upon their Godhead at death except for a safe passage.

Check that out also.

That's right there are only two in the world:

1. Christianity
2. Luciferian

And, it has been that way for a very long time. Longer than you might expect.

Which makes one wonder why Luciferianism is out of the closet;

Since vestiges of it have been around for so much longer than Christianity;

And, why other religions do not publish exorcism rites or rituals;

When, clearly evil spirits have plagued humanity since recorded history and before;

Isn't that strange?

Christian organizations give easy access to easily understandable information; rituals and rites.

Luciferian organizations give easy access to easily understandable information; rituals and rites.

While ALL others do not- at all.

Not even the oldest.

Hence, The Mystery Schools--ooo-I shudder!!

That is, it's right in front of your face.

And, it has to be.

There can be no power back of it unless it is of knowing in your mind;

Which is connected to your body; which is connected to your spirit;

Mystery Schools teach you to use the unknowing as a bug in the spiderweb;

But, what they do not teach you is: You are connected to the web, and it vibrates back.

Much the same as Karma, since we are all connected.

The power of Christianity (with all its faults), and Luciferianism (with all its risks), is:

You experience your reality within the spiderwebs of humanity;

All of the 'strings' are connected and affect you.

Christians have no true fear of frequencies; even those we cannot hear or feel.

Luciferians base ALL of their magick on frequencies and strings.

Also, one belief requires a quest for good being while the other requires a quest for self-indulgence.

And, we can argue that many people are indistinguishable upon the first few encounters.

However, we all know experiences over time;

And, why we are naturally attracted to one over the other.

Hence, our experiences.

Which include our spiritual quests.

My concern, as an understanding friend, is that you had bad experiences with so-called good people.

Otherwise, you would have spoken cleary of your experiences concerning the Four Noble Truths;

Especially, being that you see the First as: Life = Suffering.

Which by all of my accounts with People of the Way: "Existing in disharmony (not moving to change known unhappiness) or being incomplete (not married particularly) creates self-suffering which vibrates towards others"

Conversely, God makes it very simple through the Word via Christianity (without too much boredom concerning scripture): "Come unto Me; I will give you rest; light; life; love"

No concern for spiderwebs; frequencies; or years of meditation and study; required.

I Sincerely Thank You for your post!

I Am Your Friend

P.S. If I made you a little angry- good. I prefer you understand- not just believe. Because you are a good man.
you didn't make me angry- but i prefer you understand. It took all that time to get to your point, to which you cross the line into bible thumping. My copy and paste job was a quick answer to the question, meant in no way to sway anyone from any belief. and as for me please do not assume to know me, good or bad, right or wrong, but as another pair of eyes searching the sea of information.

One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds. Frank Zappa

Offline Erastus

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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2009, 09:00:11 am »
Good God!  I can hear your gears grinding!  Like there is one answer to fix everyone's problems in the whole f**king wide world.  Everyone wants to feel important, but repeating or typing whatever you read is not the way to go about it.  Sure it might sound cool or even look nice on paper, but come on!  "But I wonder why you would try to inform me", "The world as one is imminent"?  "Many see the way" "few follow the path".  Next you're going to tell me to look twice before I cross the street.  We get it!  The world is mean and we all need to follow one path to get through just so we can clutch our chest one day and die.  You should sell that shit at the flea market.
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Re: Why Do People Suffer: Why Do You Suffer?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 04:15:53 pm »
Life is only complicated when you make it to be - Tupac
"From the darkness we fight the darkness"