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***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« on: July 31, 2009, 10:24:16 pm »
Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
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Against All Enemies July 31, 2009

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

Sibel Edmonds on the Mike Malloy Show, hour 1
Sibel Edmonds on the Mike Malloy Show, hour 2   
   
Former FBI translator and founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Sibel Edmonds.    

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained ‘intimate relations’ with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, “all the way until that day of September 11.”

These ‘intimate relations’ included using Bin Laden for ‘operations’ in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These ‘operations’ involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner “as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict,” that is, fighting ‘enemies’ via proxies.

As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from ‘actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia’) as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.

Control of Central Asia

The goals of the American ’statesmen’ directing these activities included control of Central Asia’s vast energy supplies and new markets for military products.

The Americans had a problem, though. They needed to keep their fingerprints off these operations to avoid a) popular revolt in Central Asia ( Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan), and b) serious repercussions from China and Russia. They found an ingenious solution: Use their puppet-state Turkey as a proxy, and appeal to both pan-Turkic and pan-Islam sensibilities.

Turkey, a NATO ally, has a lot more credibility in the region than the US and, with the history of the Ottoman Empire, could appeal to pan-Turkic dreams of a wider sphere of influence. The majority of the Central Asian population shares the same heritage, language and religion as the Turks.

In turn, the Turks used the Taliban and al Qaeda, appealing to their dreams of a pan-Islamic caliphate (Presumably. Or maybe the Turks/US just paid very well.)

According to Sibel:

This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam.

Uighurs

Sibel was recently asked to write about the recent situation with the Uighurs in Xinjiang, but she declined, apart from saying that “our fingerprint is all over it.”

Of course, Sibel isn’t the first or only person to recognize any of this. Eric Margolis, one of the best reporters in the West on matters of Central Asia, stated that the Uighurs in the training camps in Afghanistan up to 2001:

“were being trained by Bin Laden to go and fight the communist Chinese in Xinjiang, and this was not only with the knowledge, but with the support of the CIA, because they thought they might use them if war ever broke out with China.”

And also that:

“Afghanistan was not a hotbed of terrorism, these were commando groups, guerrilla groups, being trained for specific purposes in Central Asia.”

In a separate interview, Margolis said:

“That illustrates Henry Kissinger’s bon mot that the only thing more dangerous than being America’s enemy is being an ally, because these people were paid by the CIA, they were armed by the US, these Chinese Muslims from Xinjiang, the most-Western province.

The CIA was going to use them in the event of a war with China, or just to raise hell there, and they were trained and supported out of Afghanistan, some of them with Osama Bin Laden’s collaboration. The Americans were up to their ears with this.”

Rogues Gallery

Last year, Sibel came up with a brilliant idea to expose some of the criminal activity that she is forbidden to speak about: she published eighteen photos, titled “Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery,” of people involved the operations that she has been trying to expose. One of those people is Anwar Yusuf Turani, the so-called ‘President-in-exile’ of East Turkistan (Xinjiang). This so-called ‘government-in-exile’ was ‘established‘ on Capitol Hill in September, 2004, drawing a sharp rebuke from China.

Also featured in Sibel’s Rogues Gallery was ‘former’ spook Graham Fuller, who was instrumental in the establishment of Turani’s ‘government-in-exile’ of East Turkistan. Fuller has written extensively on Xinjiang, and his “Xinjiang Project” for Rand Corp is apparently the blueprint for Turani’s government-in-exile. Sibel has openly stated her contempt for Mr. Fuller.

Susurluk

The Turkish establishment has a long history of mingling matters of state with terrorism, drug trafficking and other criminal activity, best exemplified by the 1996 Susurluk incident which exposed the so-called Deep State.

Sibel states that “a few main Susurluk actors also ended up in Chicago where they centered ‘certain’ aspects of their operations (Especially East Turkistan-Uighurs).”

One of the main Deep State actors, Mehmet Eymur, former Chief of Counter-Terrorism for Turkey’s intelligence agency, the MIT, features in Sibel’s Rogues Gallery. Eymur was given exile in the US. Another member of Sibel’s gallery, Marc Grossman was Ambassador to Turkey at the time that the Susurluk incident exposed the Deep State. He was recalled shortly after, prior to the end of his assignment, as was Grossman’s underling, Major Douglas Dickerson, who later tried to recruit Sibel into the spying ring.


The modus operandi of the Susurluk gang is the same as the activities that Sibel describes as taking place in Central Asia, the only difference is that this activity was exposed in Turkey a decade ago, whereas the organs of the state in the US, including the corporate media, have successfully suppressed this story.

Chechnya, Albania & Kosovo

Central Asia is not the only place where American foreign policy makers have shared interests with Bin Laden. Consider the war in Chechnya. As I documented here, Richard Perle and Stephen Solarz (both in Sibel’s gallery) joined other leading neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, James Woolsey, and Morton Abramowitz in a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). For his part, Bin Laden donated $25 million to the cause, as well as numerous fighters, and technical expertise, establishing training camps.

US interests also converged with those of al-Qaeda in Kosovo and Albania.

Of course, it is not uncommon for circumstances to arise where ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend.’ On the other hand, in a transparent democracy, we expect a full accounting of the circumstances leading up to a tragic event like 9/11. The 9/11 Commission was supposed to provide exactly that.

State Secrets

Sibel has famously been dubbed the most gagged woman in America, having the State Secrets Privilege imposed on her twice. Her 3.5 hour testimony to the 9/11 Commission has been entirely suppressed, reduced to a single footnote which refers readers to her classified testimony.

In the interview, she says that the information that was classified in her case specifically identifies that the US was using Bin Laden and the Taliban in Central Asia, including Xinjiang. In the interview, Sibel reiterates that when invoking the gag orders, the US government claims that it is protecting ” ’sensitive diplomatic relations,’ protecting Turkey, protecting Israel, protecting Pakistan, protecting Saudi Arabia…” This is no doubt partially true, but it is also true that they are protecting themselves too, and it is a crime in the US to use classification and secrecy to cover up crimes.

As Sibel says in the interview:

I have information about things that our government has lied to us about… those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11.

Summary

The bombshell here is obviously that certain people in the US were using Bin Laden up to September 11, 2001.

It is important to understand why: the US outsourced terror operations to al Qaeda and the Taliban for many years, promoting the Islamization of Central Asia in an attempt to personally profit off military sales as well as oil and gas concessions.

The silence by the US government on these matters is deafening. So, too, is the blowback.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 10:28:47 pm »
This is front and center on http://bradblog.com and http://dailykos.com  That is incredible just to let you know.  These sites are filled with Obamanoids.  Once you go truth, you never go back!
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2009, 10:33:38 pm »
Well of course he did.





BUT.....

What about his interview he gave to UMMAT on Sept 28, 2001?

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UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.

UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa'idah declare a jihad against these Islamic countries as well?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam say and what do the enemies of Islam want. Al-Qa'idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam ("There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God"), prayers, fasting (in Ramadan), pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jihad. Al-Qa'idah wants to keep jihad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad. We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful] Muhammad Omar [leader of the Taleban] and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.

UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S. is not too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qa'idah not targeting their economic pillars?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in the control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by them. So the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.

UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.

USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources about the network of Al-Qa'idah and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qa'idah accounts by the U.S.?

USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qa'idah or other jihad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qa'idah has more than three alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qa'idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jihad?

USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on Afghanistan attack?

USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan -
Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7.
Source: BBC Monitoring Service.
Source: http://www.khilafah.com/


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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2009, 10:51:21 pm »
Well of course he did.





BUT.....

What about his interview he gave to UMMAT on Sept 28, 2001?


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yeah, he worked for the US until 9/11 (at least obviously, Sibel Edmonds only things that she has personal knowledge of).  what is with all the question marks? what is your question?
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2009, 10:56:22 pm »
yeah, he worked for the US until 9/11 (at least obviously, Sibel Edmonds only things that she has personal knowledge of).  what is with all the question marks? what is your question?

No questions for me, more so others will make the connections...
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009, 01:12:14 am »
Does this mean we will have justice sane? or will this just be ignored...
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2009, 02:56:47 am »
"In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks."

So Osama Bin Laden was a crazy conspiracy theorist? ... I'm suprised that quote hasn't been used to smear us.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 07:17:53 am »
Tim Osmin!!!!!!!!! Dig up whatever you can on him!! See how many times he visited the US in the late 80's and early to mid 90's, U.S. passport office in Jeddah!!
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 11:23:11 am »

Bless her heart.

Sibel has conscience , honor and courage. Rare qualitys.

The majority of the member on this site are aware of these facts. However to see them brought forward by this courageous individual warms my heart.

A catch phrase that I saw in this post is a parroting of Castros words when he visited the USA. I have nothing against the American people, it is the Government.

I am not promoting communism nor am I promoting Muslim religous ideals, I am promoting truth..

Yes I agree with Sibel 100%, yet the question remains , under who's orders do the CIA follow. Their clandestine ops are global, by who's authorization do they carry out their tasks.  The CIA does not complete its missions without the aid of Military intelligence and crews, nor the knowledge of the J.C.S. and the executive branch.

I met a guy named Colby in 1976, the conversation taught me a great deal back then. This man was a genius IQ, he had the ability to to read people that I had never witnessed before, I was almost convinced he was a robot in human skin. However, I detected that this man was the type of individual that would not stray from orders recieved, he may have cut corners, but I sincerley beleive he would not defy the Executive office.

My point, the spiders have woven their web throughout our agencys, exposing them is integral to our casue.

In other words, who are the bosses????  It has become obvious as of late who is pulling the strings.





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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 11:52:06 am »
There is nothing new here.

Wasn't OBL a US agent re-named Tim Osman?

What if he is still somewhere in the US?

Everything is possible.

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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 11:59:02 am »
Remember:

*Bin Ladin was blamed, or used as a terrorist poster child by Bush and Clinton before 9/11; our cruise missile strike on Sudan and Afghanistan, the U.S.S. Cole bombing just before 9/11.

*In a now-lost internet account from ak-47.net, a ex-Russian soldier by the name of "DesantvikVDV"(?) a veteran of the Chechnya war encountered a jihadist from Saudi Arabia who claimed that "Osama Bin Ladin himself funded their journey to Chechnya".

*Soldier of Fortune magazine occasionally dropped hints to its readership of millitary, police and blind flag-waving American gun owners Osama's name-the frequency of which increased as 9/11 loomed, perhaps as part of prepping the minds of America's military.  This happened right after the Oklahoma Bombing and SOF dropped the 90's patriot/militia theme.

Seems that Bin Ladin was perhaps a deep cover operative who was playing both sides against a middle for his own ends.

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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 12:18:59 pm »
They all worked for the friendly Intel Community--that eats its own young.


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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 12:25:02 pm »
Remember:

*Bin Ladin was blamed, or used as a terrorist poster child by Bush and Clinton before 9/11; our cruise missile strike on Sudan and Afghanistan, the U.S.S. Cole bombing just before 9/11.

*In a now-lost internet account from ak-47.net, a ex-Russian soldier by the name of "DesantvikVDV"(?) a veteran of the Chechnya war encountered a jihadist from Saudi Arabia who claimed that "Osama Bin Ladin himself funded their journey to Chechnya".

*Soldier of Fortune magazine occasionally dropped hints to its readership of millitary, police and blind flag-waving American gun owners Osama's name-the frequency of which increased as 9/11 loomed, perhaps as part of prepping the minds of America's military.  This happened right after the Oklahoma Bombing and SOF dropped the 90's patriot/militia theme.

Seems that Bin Ladin was perhaps a deep cover operative who was playing both sides against a middle for his own ends.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/22/MN85469.DTL

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Jihad-In-Chechnya26apr03.htm

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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2009, 12:27:46 pm »
They all worked for the friendly Intel Community--that eats its own young.


Sirhan, Manson, Jack Ruby, James Earl Ray, etc. etc.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 01:39:47 pm »
This article re: Sibel Edmonds audio interview is a huge punch through the NWO's armor.  Permanent damage is done with this article to them.  Now if only the rest of this could get into the hands of non-criminal FBI and not get shut down/detected before charges could actually be made and followed through into indictments and grand jury's.  (Corrected spelling of Tim Osman's name in below quote, as it is also shown correctly in the document scan.)

Osama went by the name Tim Osman and was at the Cabazon reservation. He was working for the CIA. I have documented evidence of it.


(edit) added part of one of my documents on the subject of Tim Osmand. Keep in mind, I had to blank out some of this due to open murder cases.



Umnnn, wow.

So, desertfae - I see you have quite a good bit of evidence to fill in the gaps so to speak.

Not to say that Anti Illuminati hasn't got enough proof here in these threads of who exactly was involved.

But, wow from what I've seen of your site and your docs posted here - it looks like you have some pretty damning / convicting evidence of your own. That has it's own legs - so to speak - even. Also, when combined with what I've already read of Anti Illuminati's research - it adds yet another layer to the onion - proving much of what I have known via classified un-mentionable sources.

Having worked in Big IT as per the resume shown on the website listed in my profile I have dealt with many things that I have had much trouble proving because I was not aware that any of this was publicly printed in non-secure areas.  

Thanks to Anti Illuminati's ability to find things even on this horribly censored internet we no have - I now have proof that fully documents much of what I have known for a very long through personal experience.

Please people wake up - these companies specialize in developing false flags for our government. Without these people and corporations 9/11 would have never been possible.

Desertfae and Anti Illuminati have research that could both independently bring down the entire Kleptocratic regime. We need to support them.  From what I understand Desertfae already has criminal cases open regarding her research. We need a group of people who understand Anti Illuminati's research to  join me in initiating an investigation based on his research as well. We need Alex to read this and understand how direly important this is before we are all on IPv6 and he has nothing left but a radio audience again.

Alex - if people don't wake up to the fact that what we have here is not only evidence incriminating all the major players in 9/11 and all of their lackeys. But, also evidence showing every one of their upcoming major false flags in exacting details.

WE HAVE THEM BY THE BALLS NOW WITH THIS EVIDENCE. WE CAN CONVICT THEM WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT BASED ON WHAT WE NOW HAVE HERE!   Get IT? If We don't do this now  the we will never have another opportunity to expose this!


IPv6 will be implemented very soon. Most likely by the end of this year. Nothing you or any one else can do will stop this.

There is no congressional approval for this. As I said before this was decided by the non-profit org known as ARIN. ARIN is comprised of members who are any valid person or organization who pays $500 a year and doesn't violate any of ARIN's existing policies. Meaning mainly ISPs and Global Telecom Carriers.  They control ALL IPs - They write the policy. NOT the government.  The internet has been privatized. Meaning the fascist corporations can do what ever they want with it and congress has NO say in any of it.


Let me also take a second to say this.

I do not mean to sound like I am saying the evidence Desertfae has won't stand without Anti Illuminati's research and that it isn't extremely important independently. On the contrary that both are equal of importance.  However, both her evidence and Anti Illuminati's research when combined fill in many of  the gaps.

So when you put the two together it gives both hers and his evidence a rock solid undeniable foundation, from which to base a criminal case against all of the people and parties involved in perpetrating these crimes on the American people.

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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2009, 01:50:45 pm »
I do not remember this information in the 9/11 commission report.  How could they miss such an important piece of evidence? Perhaps we should look into a new investigation?
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2009, 01:57:35 pm »
Well since 1999, he has been on the FBI's Most Wanted List:

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Osama bin Laden
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

USAMA BIN LADEN



Date of Photograph Unknown


Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director



DESCRIPTION

Date of Birth:   1957   Hair:   Brown
Place of Birth:   Saudi Arabia   Eyes:   Brown
Height:   6' 4" to 6' 6"   Complexion:   Olive
Weight:   Approximately 160 pounds   Sex:   Male
Build:   Thin   Nationality:   Saudi Arabian
Occupation:   Unknown

Remarks:    Bin Laden is the leader of a terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda, "The Base". He is left-handed and walks with a cane.

Scars and Marks:   None



CAUTION

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST U.S. EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.

REWARD

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.


June 1999
Poster Revised November 2001

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So, I guess the FBI will be happy to know this information...

Wait a minute!!! The fact that Osama worked for the US until 9/11 has no effect concerning the events of 9/11 because the FBI does not even call him a suspect in the events of 9/11.  In fact they have no evidence whatsoever connecting him to those events. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2009, 02:12:55 pm »
The FBI admits:
No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/07/25/no-hard-evidence-connecting-bin-laden-to-11?tempskin=basic
07/25/09 05:26:35 pm Ed Haas / Muckraker Report


Osama bin Laden’s role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted” poster.

On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11.

Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded,

“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.”

Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

Haas pauses to ask the question, “If the US government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to ‘smoke him out of his cave?’” Through corporate media, the Bush administration told the American people that bin Laden was “Public Enemy Number One,” responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2001. The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” bin Laden and the Taliban, yet nearly six years later, the FBI said that it had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
Though the world was to have been convinced by the December 2001 release of a bin Laden “confession video,” the Department of Defense issued a press release to accompany this video in which Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, “There was no doubt of bin Laden’s responsibility for the 9/11 attacks even before the tape was discovered.”

In a CNN article regarding the bin Laden tape, then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that “the tape removes any doubt that the US military campaign targeting bin Laden and his associates is more than justified.” Senator Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said, “The tape’s release is central to informing people in the outside world who don’t believe bin Laden was involved in the September 11 attacks.” Shelby went on to say “I don’t know how they can be in denial after they see this tape.”

Haas attempted to secure a reference to US government authentication of the bin Laden “confession video,” to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and US Congress, along with corporate media, presented the video as authentic. So why doesn’t the FBI view the “confession video” as hard evidence? After all, notes Haas, if the FBI is investigating a crime such as drug trafficking, and it discovers a video of members of a drug cartel openly talking about a successful distribution operation in the United States, that video would be presented to a federal grand jury. The participants identified in the video would be indicted. The video alone would serve as sufficient evidence to net a conviction in a federal court. So why, asks Haas, is the bin Laden “confession video” not carrying the same weight with the FBI?

Haas strongly suggests that we begin asking questions, “The fact that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 should be headline news around the world. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the US media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the US media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government-sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account?” Haas continues. “Who is controlling the media message, and how is it that the FBI has no ‘hard evidence’ connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the US media has played the bin Laden-9/11 connection story for [six] years now as if it has conclusive evidence that bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?”

UPDATE BY ED HAAS
On June 6, 2006 the Muckraker Report ran a piece by Ed Haas titled “FBI says, ‘No hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.’” Haas is the editor and a writer for the Muckraker Report. At the center of this article remains the authenticity and truthfulness of the videotape released by the federal government on December 13, 2001 in which it is reported that Osama bin Laden “confesses” to the September 11, 2001 attacks. The corporate media—television, radio, and newspapers—across the United States and the world repeated, virtually non-stop for a week after the videotape’s release, the government account of OBL “confessing.”

However, not one document has been released that demonstrates the authenticity of the videotape or that it even went through an authentication process. The Muckraker Report has submitted Freedom of Information Act requests to the FBI, CIA, Department of Defense, and CENTCOM requesting documentation that would demonstrate the authenticity of the videotape and the dates/circumstances in which the videotape was discovered. CENTCOM has yet to reply to the FOIA request. After losing an appeal, the FBI responded that no documents could be found responsive to the request. The Department of Defense referred the Muckraker Report to CENTCOM while also indicating that it had no documents responsive to the FOIA request either.

The CIA however claims that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of records responsive to the request. According to the CIA the fact of the existence or nonexistence of requested records is properly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by section 6 of the CIA Act of 1949, as amended. Therefore, the Agency has denied your request pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1) and (b)(3).

Many people believe that if the videotape is authentic, it should be sufficient hard evidence for the FBI to connect bin Laden to 9/11. The Muckraker Report agrees. However, for the Department of Justice to indict bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, something the government has yet to do, the videotape would have to be entered into evidence and subjected to additional scrutiny. This appears to be something the government wishes to avoid.

Some believe that the video is a fake. They refer to it as the “fat bin Laden”video. The Muckraker Report believes that while the videotape is indeed authentic, it was the result of an elaborate CIA sting operation. The Muckraker Report also believes that the reason why there is no documentation that demonstrates that the videotape went through an authenticity process is because the CIA knew it was authentic, they arranged the taping.

It is highly probable that the videotape was taped on September 26, 2001—before the US invaded Afghanistan.

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Source: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/16-no-hard-evidence-connecting-bin-laden-to-9-11/
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2009, 02:17:13 pm »
From The Frontier Post news of Peshawar and Quetta (see how we are winning hearts and minds, the whole world knows)...
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9/11 ringleaders in Pakistan?
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.aspx?ncat=ar&nid=470
Yousaf Alamgirian


Madam Hillary Rodham Clinton who happens to be the US Secretary of State these days, has very kindly announced during her recent visit to India that US officials firmly believe that al-Qaeda leaders who planned and carried out the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, are hiding in Pakistan near its border with Afghanistan. She shared this precious information with the world during her press conference in India. While disclosing the location of the ringleaders she said: “With respect to the location of those who were part of the planning and execution of the attack of 9/11 against our country, we firmly believe that a significant number of them are in the border area of Pakistan. Pakistani government has many a time categorically denied that no al-Qaeda ringleader including Osama bin Laden are hiding on its territory but it seems US officials have set their mind frame regarding their presence in Pakistani soil. Americans are not even interested to think beyond it.

They have thrown numerous drones inside Pakistani border but none have succeeded in hitting even Baitullah Mehsood and what to talk of hitting Osama bin laden whose exact location is yet to be established by Americans. For searching one person and few of his team members they have killed hundreds of innocent human beings in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Whereas the operation being undertaken by Pakistan Army against terrorists is targeted, meticulous and avoids collateral damage. Pakistan army is aware of the terrain and the techniques to handle the terrorists who have swiftly been eradicated form this soil. May be Americans know about Osama very well but still they want to continue their search for him in order to justify their presence in Afghanistan and the drone attacks in Pakistan.

Despite presence of American and NATO troops in Afghanistan and especially along with the Pak-Afghan border still they believe Osama bin laden and his core team has fled into Pakistan. Hillary Clinton also disclosed that they, the Americans, are actively looking for additional information that would lead them to Osama. God knows how many innocent lives have yet to be taken till the search is completed and they get hold of the 9/11 ringleaders. Killing innocent people of one region to secure the masses of other region is a unique phenomenon. Unfortunately America has always shown double standards and has failed to maintain justice and equity among the nations. If at one side US is considered to be a role model in protecting human rights yet on the other hand America is the one who crossed all limits to violate human rights in Iraq and Afghanistan. They invaded Iraq, destroyed its government, system, independence and every thing.

They even hanged Saddam Husain but never found any of chemical atomic weapons. Only chemical which Americans found from Iraq was Chemical Ali, the first cousin of Saddam. The same theory has been repeated in Afghanistan in vague of getting hold of Osama bin Laden. May be they have already killed him or it is yet to ascertain the den where those ringleaders are hiding. Osama bin laden was said to be the chronic patient who couldn’t survive without proper medical treatment. It is amazing how an old man can play a long series of hide and seek with professional American and NATO forces. Hillary also stated that Pakistan must dismantle terrorists infrastructure on its soil. Hillary’s statement is really a hilarious one as Pakistan for the last nine years is not playing ping pong with the terrorists.

Pakistan army is at proper war to eliminate terrorists from this soil. The valiant soldiers of Pakistan Army are injecting their fresh blood in war against terrorism and have written a golden history of valour, courage and sacrifices in defence of the motherland. Some how or the other America and its scapegoat Karzai-led Afghan government is very fond of involving Pakistan in each and every incident happening inside Afghanistan. Now the fresh allegation is pertaining to a US soldier being kidnapped by the Taliban in Afghanistan. An American based news channel while doing an objective reporting has disclosed that Taliban may have taken the soldiers across the border to Pakistan. Its a matchless example of biased reporting by foreign media to malign Pakistan. If so ever it has happened, what for American and NATO forces are sitting along with Pak-Afghan border.

It highly speaks of inefficiency at the part of those forces. Up till now they should have obtained enough experience to fight against terrorism. To conceal their incapability they keep on blaming Pakistan for the acts Pakistan cannot even think about. Afghan national army is also not far behind in blaming Pakistan for supporting terrorism in order to hide their non-professional and ineffectiveness in fighting war on terror. A complete platoon of Afghan National Army had been searching the area but failed to get any clue of the missing soldier. So they abruptly changed their mind disclosing the soldier might have been moved to Pakistan.

May be its a planned effort to malign Pakistan and looking for an opportunity to chase him inside Pakistan’s territory which Pakistan will never permit them. The forces which are facing a complete failure in Afghanistan territory how can be successful in the terrain being more tough, complicated and unfamiliar to them. Pakistan is one of the most important allies of US in war against terrorism and has proved its worth by fighting terrorists ruthlessly. Till now the world, including America, should have recognised Pakistan’s sincere efforts instead of involving it in each and every affair.

They have failed to search Osama and his team so they thought they should be here inside, Pakistan. And now they have failed to search their soldier so he is also believed to be inside Pakistan. One should accept its failures instead of maligning others. A famous TV artist and an English Professor late Dildar Pervez Bhatti once said my wife used to blame me for the things for which I don’t even feel myself fit enough. So Americans while blaming Pakistan should at least see its capability to do the same. [email protected]
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2009, 02:33:10 pm »
Revenge of the ‘Shoe Bomber’
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB40001424052970203609204574317090690242698.html
By DEBRA BURLINGAME JULY 31, 2009

Last May at the National Archives, President Barack Obama warned that “more mistakes would occur” if Congress continued to politicize terrorist detention policy and the closure of Guantanamo Bay. “[I ]f we refuse to deal with those issues today,” he predicted, “then I guarantee you, they will be an albatross around our efforts to combat terrorism in the future.”

On June 17, at the Administrative Maximum (ADX) penitentiary in Florence, Colo., one of those albatrosses, inmate number 24079-038, began his day with a whole new range of possibilities. Eight days earlier, the U.S. Attorney’s office in Denver filed notice in federal court that the Special Administrative Measures (SAMs) which applied to that prisoner—Richard C. Reid, a.k.a. the “Shoe Bomber”—were being allowed to expire. SAMs are security directives, renewable yearly, issued by the attorney general when “there is a substantial risk that a prisoner’s communications, correspondence or contacts with persons could result in death or serious bodily injury” to others.

Reid was arrested in 2001 for attempting to blow up American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami with 197 passengers and crew on board. Why had Attorney General Eric Holder decided not to renew his security measures, kept in place since 2002?

According to court documents filed in a 2007 civil lawsuit against the government, Reid claimed that SAMs violated his First Amendment right of free speech and free exercise of religion. In a hand-written complaint, he asserted that he was being illegally prevented from performing daily “group prayers in a manner prescribed by my religion.” Yet the list of Reid’s potential fellow congregants at ADX Florence reads like a Who’s Who of al Qaeda’s most dangerous members: Ramzi Yousef and his three co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui; “Millennium bomber” Ahmed Ressam; “Dirty bomber” Jose Padilla; Wadih el-Hage, Osama Bin Laden’s personal secretary, convicted in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombing that killed 247 people.

In December 2008, the Department of Justice filed a motion to dismiss Reid’s lawsuit. It cited the example of ADX inmate Ahmed Ajaj as an illustration of “the dangers inherent in permitting a group of inmates, of like mind in their opposition to the United States, to congregate for a prayer service conducted in a language not understood by most correctional officers.”

While imprisoned for passport fraud in 1992, Ajaj assisted in the plans to destroy the World Trade Center on Feb. 26, 1993, making phone calls to Ramzi Yousef and speaking in code to elude law enforcement monitoring. Ajaj tried to get his “training kit” to Yousef, which included videotapes and notes he had taken on bomb-making while attending a terrorist camp on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Reid’s own SAMs on correspondence had been tightened in 2006 after the shocking discovery that three of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers at ADX, not subject to security directives, had sent 90 letters to overseas terrorist networks, including those associated with the Madrid train bombing. The letters, exhorting jihad and praising Osama bin Laden as “my hero of this generation,” were printed in Arabic newspapers and brandished like trophies to recruit new members.

When setting restrictions on inmate religious practice, the Bureau of Prisons need only meet a reasonableness standard, a very low bar in the case of Muslim terrorists. Justice would easily have prevailed against Reid’s lawsuit; nevertheless it dropped the security measures on Reid after he missed 58 meals in a hunger strike that required medical intervention and forced feeding in April.

On July 6, Justice Department lawyers informed the court that Reid will be given a “new placement” in a “post-SAMs setting.” Whether that entails stepped down security in a different unit or transfer to a less secure facility, the Bureau of Prisons won’t say, and Justice refuses to comment.

Mr. Obama likes to observe that “no one has escaped from supermax,” but if Reid is moved from ADX Florence, he will be the first convicted terrorist to use the First Amendment to sue his way out.

What drove the Obama administration’s decision to cave in to Reid’s demands? The president after all has repeatedly pitched supermax and the federal prison system as a secure alternative to Guantanamo, citing the fact that it handles “all manner of violent and dangerous criminals.”. Yet the last thing he needs, as his administration engages in its hasty effort to shut Gitmo down by a fast-approaching deadline, is for lawyers and human-rights activists to use a hunger-striking, near-death prisoner to launch a propaganda campaign fashioned right out of the Gitmo detainees’ playbook. Lawyers who shamelessly compared Gitmo to Naziconcentration camps would think nothing of casting supermax as the next “symbol of America’s shame” and a “rallying cry for our enemies.”

From the outset of his administration, Mr. Obama has been trying to thread the needle between national security policy and his ideological affinity with civil liberties lawyers and human-rights activists, meeting with and consulting them prior to making detainee-related decisions. Though his executive order shutting Guantanamo closely followed the blueprint provided by Human Rights First, leaders of key organizations were stunned when he revealed in an awkward, off-the-record meeting the day before his public announcement at the National Archives that he planned to continue President George W. Bush’s policy of preventive detention.

Michael Ratner, whose human rights organization, the Center for Constitutional Rights, filed the first successful detainee lawsuit in 2002, called Mr. Obama’s proposed U.S. detention scheme a “road to perdition” and nothing more than a plan to “repackage Guantanamo.” Leaders of the so-called Gitmo bar appear poised to launch a flurry of legal challenges the moment the last departing detainee’s feet touch U.S. soil.

In January, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Colorado issued a statement saying that conditions at supermax are “simply another form of torture” worse than Gitmo which “make a mockery of ‘innocent until proven guilty.’” Last month, the ACLU filed a civil lawsuit mirroring Reid’s religious rights claim on behalf of two terrorism inmates held at the Communications Management Unit inside a medium security prison in Terre Haute, Ind.

One of those inmates is Enaam Arnaout, a Syrian-born U.S. citizen serving a 10-year sentence for diverting Muslim charity money to militant Islamic groups in Bosnia and Chechnya. The other, Randall Royer, is serving 20 years for his role recruiting young Muslims in the “Virginia Jihad Network,” a group that used paintball games in 2000-2001 to train for holy war.

Mr. Obama has repeatedly suggested that the security challenge of bringing more than 100 trained and dangerous terrorists onto U.S. soil can be solved by simply installing them in an impenetrable fortress. This view is either disingenuous or naïve. The militant Islamists at Guantanamo too dangerous to release believe that their resistance behind the wire is a continuation of holy war. There is every reason to believe they will continue their jihad once they have been transported to U.S. soil where certain federal judges have signaled a willingness to confer upon them even more rights. The position of civil rights activists with regard to these prisoners is plain. “If they cannot be convicted,” says ACLU lawyer Jameel Jaffer, “then you release them.”

Meanwhile, in order to appease political constituencies both here and abroad, the Obama administration is moving full steam ahead,operating on the false premise that giving more civil liberties to religious fanatics bent on destroying Western civilization will make a difference in the Muslim world. In a letter sent to his father as he began his hunger strike, Reid provided a preview of how he will exercise his newly enlarged free speech rights, calling Mr. Obama a “hypocrite” who is “no better than George Bush.” His lawsuit remains active while the Department of Justice works out a settlement that satisfies the man who declared, “I am at war with America.”
—Ms. Burlingame, a former attorney and a director of the National September 11 Memorial Foundation, is the sister of Charles F. “Chic” Burlingame III, the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2009, 03:57:48 pm »
From The Frontier Post news of Peshawar and Quetta (see how we are winning hearts and minds, the whole world knows)...
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9/11 ringleaders in Pakistan?
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.aspx?ncat=ar&nid=470
Yousaf Alamgirian


...May be its a planned effort to malign Pakistan and looking for an opportunity to chase him inside Pakistan’s territory which Pakistan will never permit them. The forces which are facing a complete failure in Afghanistan territory how can be successful in the terrain being more tough, complicated and unfamiliar to them. Pakistan is one of the most important allies of US in war against terrorism and has proved its worth by fighting terrorists ruthlessly. Till now the world, including America, should have recognised Pakistan’s sincere efforts instead of involving it in each and every affair.
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It's a bs effort to justify what will eventually be US boots on the ground in Pakistan. Plain and simple.
We're still getting mileage out of the BinLaden/Al-Qaeda myth - except maybe more people are starting to wake up to the bs.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2009, 07:08:38 pm »
Sibel Edwards on 9/11 and the War on Terrorism
Excerpt from Interview with Brad Friedman on the Mike Malloy Show
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14596
by Sibel Edmonds Global Research, August 1, 2009
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The following is a partial transcript from an interview Sibel gave to Brad Friedman, guest-hosting the Mike Malloy show (audio). (Source letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/)

Caller: ... What are Sibel's thoughts about 9/11 possibly being an inside job?

Sibel Edmonds: As I have done for the past 7 or 8 years, I have basically stuck with what I know, first-hand, directly, my own knowledge, based on my own experience, based on what I obtained, which is not a lot, but it is extremely important.

And to answer a question like "Was it an inside job?" would be, first of all, preposterous for me to make that call. But what I can tell you is, based on what we know already - and these are the confirmed cases, like Colleen Rowley - look at her and her case - and look at the Phoenix Memo with the other FBI agents in the Phoenix field office, and then look at FBI agent Wright in Chicago, look at that case...

And if you read James Bamford's latest book, what the NSA obtained from Yemen before September 11, because we were following two of these hijackers in Yemen... Well, if you put all those things, all this information that has come from various agencies, in one place, and you look at it, and you say "Wow!"

You know, it is very easy to write off things when you have one or two slip-ups, and you attribute certain things to bureaucratic bungling - but it goes beyond that... Now, what is that? As I said, I wont be able to answer the question, but what I can answer is, yes, we had this 911 Commission that was formed (laughs) and first we had Henry Kissinger appointed to be the Chairman, this tells you what kind of Commission they had in mind, which was going to be cosmetic. It was pretty obvious. Then we had the final Commission, with a bunch of people with conflicts of interest, and we didn't get anything.

As you see, people have been gagged, a lot of things have been classified... And you think 'Why would they go so far to cover up bureaucratic bungling?' Again, that doesn't mean that this was an inside job, but what it tells you is that there are a lot of things that we don't know, there are a lot of things that our government doesn’t want us to know.

I mean, the recent thing just came out a few days ago with the case against Saudi Arabia, with the 9/11 family members. Well yesterday it made it to the front page of the New York Times with Eric Lichtblau, OK. So now the Justice Department under Obama is saying 'No you can't get this information because we want to protect Saudi Arabia.' Well, protect them against what? So those are the questions that have not been answered. And those questions that have been answered, nothing has been done about it, and no explanation has been given to us. So we have all these issues, and there is no simple answer, but one simple answer is that, yes, we are facing a lot of cover-up. And I want to know why, and I'm sure you want to know why too.

Brad Friedman: Nah, I don't want to know (laughs). So it's fair to say in your case then that you don't necessarily have information that you haven’t been able to disclose that reveals that 9/11 was an inside job, you just have, like I do, concerns about the information that we have, the bad information that we have...

Sibel Edmonds: (interrupts) I have to jump in here and say that I have information about things that our government has lied to us about. I know. For example, to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union we ceased all of our intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban - those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11.

I know you are going to say 'Oh my God, we went there and bombed the medical factory in the 1990s during Clinton, we declared him Most Wanted' and what I'm telling you is, with those groups, we had operations in Central Asia, and that relationship - using them as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict - we used them all the way until September 11.

Brad Friedman: Are you able to speak in more detail about that material that was classified?

Sibel Edmonds: People have written about it, based on the interviews conducted, and based on other people talking about it. And you know what, it's not very difficult to put two and two together on this. There is so much information that of course our Mainstream Media has not reported, but there have been some good books written on the topic, and that is: What we have been doing, what we were doing in those years, all the way, all the way until that day of September 11, in Central Asia, in what they call East Turkistan where we are talking about the Uighurs, and with Bin Laden, via Turkey.

And these are the Turkish actors because Central Asian countries are Turkic-speaking, they have the same heritage as the Republic of Turkey, the share the same language, the same culture. And we, as a country, the United States, used Turkey, along with actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia to carry out a lot of operations.

The Russians have talked about it, because they have been screaming about it, again those things have not been reported, but what we have on that has been classified. They have been using 'sensitive diplomatic relations,' protecting Turkey, protecting Israel, protecting Pakistan, protecting Saudi Arabia...

Well, that does not say that 9/11 was an inside job, but that tells people, it would tell people, the information that they have gagged, they have classified, a lot of things that would maybe bring us closer to the answer, and why our government has been lying about it.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2009, 08:22:53 pm »
This is already old news, but for the newcomers that don't know about it, I'll leave here these links concerning "evidence that Osama Bin Laden never severed ties with the CIA":

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/michel.qt

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm#3

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2009, 06:00:32 pm »
On Conspiracy Theories
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7333#more-7333
By Ernest A. Canning on 8/2/2009 11:35AM 

"We killed the President that day. You could have been a part of it --- you know, part of history. You should have stayed. It was safe. Everything was covered in advance. No arrests, no real newspaper investigation. It was all covered, very professional." - Sworn deposition testimony provided in Hunt vs. Liberty Lobby, Inc. by Marita Lorenz, Fidel Castro's former girlfriend and CIA asset, recounting what her CIA recruiter, convicted Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis, told her after the assassination of JFK.

Sibel Edmonds' recent on-air revelation that, prior to 9/11, Osama bin Laden was relied upon by the Bush administration as a Central Asian asset, added one more disturbing piece to an incomplete puzzle, which, as could be expected, lent itself to a number of comments asking whether 9/11 was "an inside job?" These, in turn, were summarily dismissed in another comment as "conspiracy theory."

Where does this concept of dismissing inquiry into momentous events as "conspiracy theory" come from?...


If a police officer undertook to investigate an unsolved murder, relying upon circumstantial evidence supporting the theory that a husband had hired a hit man to kill his wife, no one would dream of dismissing that investigation as a "conspiracy theory." No one would suggest that the officer be fitted for a "tin foil hat."

Yet, compelling evidence presented by Mark Lane, not only in his book, Plausible Denial, but in a federal courtroom --- evidence which convinced a jury that the CIA killed JFK; a compelling statistical analysis provided by Steven Freeman, Ph.D. (and Joel Bleifuss) in Was the 2004 Election Stolen? augmented by the work of investigative journalists, including many pieces posted here at The BRAD BLOG, all of which raise the question as to whether the official count in the 2004 Presidential Election was the product of widespread irregularities and/or wholesale electronic vote-flipping, and scientific evidence which suggests that controlled demolition may provide a plausible explanation for the sudden (8.7 second) collapse of WTC-7 into its own footprint, are all swept aside with the mere utterance of the words "conspiracy theory."

The word “theory” as a method of scientific study merely refers to “systematically organized knowledge applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances, especially a system of assumptions, accepted principles, and rules of procedure devised to analyze, predict, or otherwise explain the natural behavior of a specified set of phenomena.” (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary).

As used by the corporate media, “conspiracy theorist” is a derogatory label exclusively intended to dismiss any and all who challenge “official reality.” It is applied not only to those who present evidence in support of a theory which challenges official reality but even to those who feel it appropriate to seek an investigation to test whether there is empirical data that supports the official reality.

Freeman's Was the 2004 Election Stolen? provides a classic example.

On Election Day 2004, Freeman, a member of the teaching faculty of the University of Pennsylvania’s Graduate Program of Organizational Dynamics, experienced a moment straight out of George Orwell's 1984:
The laptop screen projected a Kerry victory in nearly every battleground state, in many cases by substantial margins. But on TV James Carville was saying that Kerry needed to ‘draw an inside straight’….The Slate Web site indicated a narrow edge to Kerry in Florida; the networks all had Florida solidly in the Bush camp. CNN’s Web site data informed us of commanding Kerry victories in Pennsylvania and Minnesota; TV anchors told us these states were too close to call... [In] Ohio...exit polls showed Kerry with a projected victory of more than 4%....But although the networks were conservative in refusing to call the state, TV viewers were left with little doubt that Bush had won. I was perplexed and uncertain - there were voters still waiting in line in Ohio cities, uncounted provisional votes, and so on. How could the exit polls be that far off?

A funny thing happened after the polls closed and Kerry's exit poll lead, in state after state, slid into the Bush column.

In a manner reminiscent to the incineration of inconvenient data placed in "memory holes" by the fictional Winston Smith in 1984's Ministry of Truth, the pollsters “corrected” the exit polls in order to reconcile them with the official results. The original “uncorrected” exit poll numbers, which had been “available on CNN.com” but “never broadcast on TV” simply vanished, replaced by the “corrected” exit poll results.

While adjusting the exit polls to line up with election results has long been a standard practice with such polls in the U.S., the initially leaked data certainly raised eyebrows. Fortunately, alert citizens had downloaded some of that original data, thereby permitting Freeman to offer a contrasting analysis of the widely disseminated explanation for Bush's "win", as advanced by The Nation magazine’s David Corn and by Michael Barone of U.S. News & World Report (and others) which argued the discrepancy could be explained away as a difference between early exit polls and late pro-Bush voting.

According to Freeman:
Kerry’s lead in the polls did not decline as the day went on….The system’s polling data never tracked with the official results until the polls closed and the pollsters ‘corrected’ their exit-poll data to conform to the official count.

As observed by Republican pollster, Dick Morris:
So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries....To screw up one exit poll is unheard of.

Instead of citing the obvious --- that vast discrepancies between exit polling and the official count suggests dishonesty in a U.S. Presidential election, just as those same discrepancies are seen by our government as prima facie evidence for dishonesty in Third World countries --- Morris assumed that the pollsters had "screwed up" six separate exit polls which had been performed by corporate media-funded, reputable pollsters, including Warren Mitofski, whose experience dated back to the nation’s very first use of an exit poll taken during the 1964 California Republican Primary.

Morris then speculated that the exit polls were deliberately skewed "to dampen Bush turnout in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones." Barrone advanced an even wilder, and absurd, speculation about a Democratic "election day project" to slam the results --- this despite the prompt capitulation by John "can't-concede-fast-enough" Kerry.

Freeman's approach, by contrast, was scientific.
During the 2004 election, in “ten of the eleven battleground states there was a shift --- that is, the official count differed from the exit-poll results --- and in all ten the shift favored Bush.” The statistical odds of this occurring are one in 1,024. The discrepancies were especially acute in the key battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida where the shifts in favor of Bush were 4.9%, 6.7% and 6.5%. “Assuming that these state exit-polls had no systematic bias, the likelihood of three such statistical anomalies --- dramatic differences between the official count and the exit-poll projections in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania --- occurring together and all favoring the incumbent, Bush, is about one in 660,000” --- statistics which render it “impossible that the discrepancies” in these three states “could have been due to chance or random error.”

While these stark disparities were not present in thousands of accurate Mitofsky-led exit polls conducted over the preceding four decades, Freeman acknowledges that, counting 2004, there were six occasions where significant discrepancies arose in U.S. Presidential elections, the previous five being the general elections of 1988 and 1992, along with the Florida 2000 vote, and in three Republican primaries.
In each of these six incidents..., the official count benefited the mainstream Republican candidate...And, remarkably, in five out of the six elections; the candidate whose official numbers far exceeded exit-poll results was named George Bush.

Freeman's analysis has essentially been ignored by a corporate media which widely disseminated but, in large measure, failed to challenge the unscientific speculations advanced by Morris, Barrone and Corn precisely because, unlike Freeman, their "conspiracy speculations" did not challenge "official reality."

With the "correction" of the exit polls, the position of corporate media pundits became analogous to that of 1984's Winston Smith as he was overwhelmed by the logic of his tormentor, the burley inner Party member, O’Brien, while tortured inside the Ministry of Love.

Winston tried to cling to a furtive memory; information he once held in his hands --- a photograph establishing the innocence of three high members of the Party who had been executed for treason --- a photo that Winston, himself, had fed down a memory hole. O’Brien derided Winston; told him he was “mentally deranged;” that his very thought of the photo was a “delusion.” Winston would eventually succumb, ultimately accepting that there was no reality but what the Party said was real.

As the official results poured in, in 2004, they overwhelmed the unofficial exit polls, elevating the official count into the "official reality". And therein lies the real power behind the corporate media's use of the words "conspiracy theorist." There is a chilling effect. Even otherwise honest journalists are inclined to avoid challenging the "official reality" pertaining to momentous events out of fear that they will be branded as "conspiracy theorists."

Anyone who challenges official reality is a "conspiracy theorist." Conspiracy theorists are "mentally deranged."

Of course, if that is not enough to dissuade the desire to ferret out the truth, there's always President Obama's "we have to look forward and not back" --- the excuse offered to evade the obligation to investigate the past administration's war crimes. Those too, as time moves on, and if no accountability is brought, will no doubt become little more than easily-dismissed "conspiracy theories" in the parlance of the corporate media --- utterly marginalized in contrast to the "official reality", sure to set in for good as the "official" historical record.

Epilogue Lest this opinion piece be misconstrued, my purpose is not to advance, as fact, any of the theories that provide the basis for this editorial. I have as much problem with self-described "truthers" who leap to a conclusion on the basis of incomplete factual data as I do with those who would shut the door on scientific inquiry of pivotal events through resort to the "conspiracy theorist" label. It is the essence of the scientific method that all theories, including the "official" version of an event, should be subjected to objective examination; modified or even abandoned if the results of that examination warrant an alteration of the original theory.

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Ernest A. Canning has been an active member of the California State Bar since 1977 and has practiced in the fields of civil litigation and workers' compensation at both the trial and appellate levels. He graduated cum laude from Southwestern University School of Law where he served as a student director of the clinical studies department and authored the Law Review Article, Executive Privilege: Myths & Realities. He received an MA in political science at Cal State University Northridge and a BA in political science from UCLA. He is also a Vietnam vet (4th Infantry, Central Highlands 1968).
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2009, 06:40:43 pm »
Indira Singh made reference to this woman's (Loretta Napoleoni) research in her interview with the late Michael Corbin.

http://www.ccmj.org/fsc/031112-modernjihad.htm

The November 12th 2003 meeting
brought disturbing evidence of the immense complexity and complicity of the Monetocracy, and its mixture of legal and illegal aspects, that is threatening our human civilisation.

Loretta Napoleoni fluently described the research embodied in Modern Jihad: Tracing the Dollars Behind the Terror Networks. She showed us an intricate system embracing bankers, traders, speculators, terror funding, narcotics running. She led us into the nether world of illegal organisations with deep tentacles reaching inextricably into the rampant global financial system. From the Contras to Al Qaeda, Loretta mapped out the arteries of an international economic system that feeds armed groups the world over with an endless supply of cash. Chasing terror money, she led from CIA headquarters to the smuggling routes of the Far East, from the back rooms of Wall Street to hawala exchanges in the Middle East - www.modernjihad.com - including audio of radio interview in real format.

She described the terrorist phenomena as an international conspiracy of banks etc., not of religious fanaticism. While pretending to be set in a democracy, the western system is exploiting human society, by maintaining the hegemonic power of the US under both legal and illegal business control. The indifference to what is engulfing us is disturbing. We must acknowledge that we are trapped in a system where we are all dependent on the $ as the world's reserve currency. One participant described the indivisibility of the legal and the illegal money flows as a DANCE OF THE DEAD - TWO SCORPIONS LOCKED IN AN INSANE BATTLE

Sabine summed up by pressing that now is the time to protest that
Western Economics + Middle Eastern Oligarchies = Unrepayable Debts + International Terrorism. The impact of this intricate and cynical story is to press upon us the urgency of committing ourselves to action at our own starting point.

Loretta identified MODERN JIHAD as the basics of Economics of Terrorism - distinguishing it from the religious Jihads, the greater against the oppressor, and the lesser as a personal struggle to resist all temptations. Modern Jihad is a completely different phenomenon. Left and right merge in their conspiracy against the people around the world whenever they raise money. Loretta, therefore, writes exclusively as an economist looking at the economics.

Early research into the Red Brigade in Italy revealed how it was all about raising money - men proud of their ingenious ways earning as couriers in the financial system.

Terrorists she defined as people who decide to use violence to fight a political battle. No one wanted to discuss this until 9/11. No one else had researched the funding of hidden terrorism. We are still a long way from understanding and meeting the huge problem of funding.

Terrorismis found only after WW2, when three phases emerged..........

1. State sponsored - two super powers using the same method. US via CIA and Russia via PLA and Cuba - States often entered into business deals with illegal businesses/agencies, such as narcotics, until a perplexing mix of the legal and illegal evolved.

2. Privatisation of terrorism - late 1970s and early 1980s - same mix - PLO - IRA and ETA - created shell states - Jordon, Lebanon and then West Bank. Moved into highly unstable areas and destroyed traditional economy and then substituted war economy in which all became complicit.

3. Globalisation of terrorism - 1980s - with the advent of free trading and WTO and IMF activity - eg Al Qaeda - new economy of terror aligned with the international criminal network. The size of this financial flow of money laundering is calculated to be $1.5 trillion - and the IMF agree our figures.

Breakdown - a third of this sum is undetected capital flight. eg. 30% of Africa's wealth leaves Africa. Similarly, 60% leaves Russia. What is possibly even more disturbing are the growth rate and the legal cover-up of this criminal industry: one third is legal and two=thirds are illegal - from smuggling drugs etc.

The US economy needs this inflow of cash which must come from banks with the denomination in US$. Everybody wants and uses US$. Of the US money supply (M1) of $500billion, two thirds never comes back into the US but stays in illegal flows elsewhere. The US Treasury can borrow against the reserves that are NOT EVEN in the country. The legal and illegal systems are thus integrated with frightening indivisibility - eg the US economy would collapse without the income from illegal and criminal activities internationally.

Loretta concluded by stating that the real centre of terrorist aims lay in the East. It will require government intervention; but that is too tough and the population will revolt because 20% of Saudi GDP goes to terrorism. The intricate interdependency of the whole system is a massive constraint on effective change. It is impossible to stop the flow and off shore banking is not even under pressure yet. The greatest difficulty is that we have to go back to some earlier principles when economic systems can only go forward. The target of Quaâranic revolt is the eastern powers, the religious in complicity with the bankers, traders and the peoples.


FROM DISCUSSION
- $ stays up because constant demand for $s. Terror economy sustains the US $.

- Euro is not rising to counter - Saudi attempts to trade oil in Euros to deal with French and Russian companies are not working.

- In Albania terrorists moved in, then banks and then clerics to build mosques and educate in Muslim lore.

- DANGER TO OUR CIVILISATION In 1000AD Islam West only slaves and swords.

- We fight the struggle in a different way. Force will not work. A change in foreign policy is required. There must be an admission of profound economic error and a new start made.

- It is in the interests of US to sustain this complexity and indivisible mix of the legal and the illegal activity. It is supporting the hegemony of one world giant. This was stated in "New American Century - NEOCON" www.newamericancentury.org - It is a deliberate policy to undermine the UN and keep the US on top.

- Our difficulty is to set up a non-violent opposition. EDM 854 and its successors is our bid but it will elicit its response.

- In the US there is an awakening of opposition. Noone in seven weeks in the US attacked Loretta for her thesis. People count now - we don't want this.

- What is the mechanism for change? In the US Republican think tanks are much stronger than the Democratic.

Here in the UK :

1. Network for Peace and the Ministry for Peace: twin track approach via John McDonnell MP with his 10-Minute Rule Bill.

- "Terrorists aim to recreate the Caliphate in the Islamic lands. Huge insurgency funded most of the money. Clash of two economic systems west and insurgency . Must end colonial type of economic activity.

- Look at ourselves and responsibility. Loretta's case urges the argument for detailed probes on many fronts.

- Race needs to be brought in - Neo-imperialism alongside the Monetocracy - we need a new Neo-humanism to counter it. See Prout perhaps - the Progressive Utilisation Theory..

- Islam is not the problem. Muslims are. On a huge scale they are being complicit. Peace is impossible with the burden of debt escalating with interest. Kill your own and blame others. Enemy is in the City. Ministry of Peace ten minute rule bill or EDM or both. Education, education, education.

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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2009, 08:00:42 pm »
In Sibel Edmond's interveiw on the AJ show from 06' she stated that with her investigations (about 9/11), she came to the conclusion that "All roads lead to Rome...."

Just wondering why there is no mention of that in any of these story's? Surley if we are going to listen to her views on 9/11, then WE MUST listen to her views on "Rome".

Should we not?
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2009, 09:26:53 pm »
OUR BAILED OUT BANKS ARE CONFIRMNED AND EXPOSED IRANIAN NUCLEAR TERRORISTS!

Any follow up to this...


Iranian nuke plot Citi, BoA, JPM, Wells/Wachovia, BONY aided


The Manhattan district attorney's office has smashed a sinister plot to smuggle nuclear weapons materials to Iran through unwitting New York banks, the Daily News has learned.

Officials plan to unseal a 118-count indictment Tuesday accusing a Chinese national of setting up a handful of fake companies to hide that he was selling millions of dollars in potential nuclear materials to Tehran.

"This case will cut off a major source of supply to Iran and it shows how they are going ahead full steam to get a nuclear bomb. Long-range missiles they pretty much have already," a law enforcement source close to the case said.

"We think it is one of the largest suppliers of weapons of mass destruction to Iran."

Experts say Iran, under the leadership of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, appears close to amassing enough nuclear material to make an atom bomb. A United Nations embargo bans Iran from acquiring the high-tech metals needed to make a long-range nuclear weapon a reality.

The indictment will outline the financial conspiracy behind 58 different transactions, including shipments of various banned materials from China to Iran between 2006 and late 2008.

Among them:

    * 33,000 pounds of a specialized aluminum alloy used almost exclusively in long-range missile production.
    * 66,000 pounds of tungsten copper plate, which is used in missile guidance systems.
    * 53,900 pounds of maraging steel rods, a superhard metal used in uranium enrichment and to make the casings for nuclear bombs.

The recipient is believed to have been a subsidiary of the Iranian Defense Ministry.

The suspect, who is not believed to be in the U.S., set up four bogus import-export companies that did business with six Iranian shell firms, one source said.

"They took elaborate steps to conceal the identity of the shipper and the recipient," the source said.

The deals went through "several" New York banks, which cooperated when the alleged plot was uncovered.

"The New York banks were completely unaware," the source said.

Authorities first stumbled over the scheme seven months ago in an unrelated probe into Iranian money-laundering through Lloyd's, a British bank.

In January, Lloyd's paid a $350 million fine to settle accusations it "stripped" information from Iranian money transfers to New York banks, hiding where the cash came from.

Officials said they suspected that money was also used to finance Iran's nuke program.

"The important thing is to put sunlight on these deals," the law enforcement source said.

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* U.S. hits six Iranian companies hit with sanctions

* Chinese executive and his company indicted in New York

* Money channeled through U.S., European banks (Combines stories about indictment and sanctions)

By David Lawder and Edith Honan

WASHINGTON/NEW YORK, April 7 (Reuters) - The U.S. government on Tuesday slapped sanctions on a Chinese metals company and six Iranian companies suspected of collaborating on a scheme to transfer missile and nuclear technology from China to Iran.

A New York grand jury also indicted the Chinese metals company, LIMMT Economic and Trade Co Ltd, and its manager, Lee Fangwei, on 118 counts including suspicion of shipping 33,000 pounds (15,000 kg) of specialized aluminum alloy used for long-range missile production from China to Iran.

Lee was charged with the suspected misuse of Manhattan banks employed to transfer money between China and Iran by way of Europe and the United States.

The actions by the U.S. Treasury Department and a grand jury convened by the New York state prosecutor in Manhattan come as the United States has sought tougher U.N. sanctions against Iran to halt its nuclear program, which Western nations believe is designed for making weapons.

Tehran says the program is aimed at increasing its civilian power capacity.

China is bound by three U.N. Security Council sanctions resolutions forbidding support for or contact with individuals or companies linked to Iran's missile and nuclear programs.

China and Russia reluctantly backed all three resolutions and say they are complying with sanctions. But U.N. diplomats say a number of Chinese, Russian and Western firms have continued to try to skirt the restrictions on selling sensitive technology to Iran.

"Materials may be dual-use, but when they are sent to front companies set up by the Iranian military, and the defendants use false end-user certificates and dummy names, there's not much doubt that the use is for weapons," Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau told reporters.

Morgenthau also said he would request the arrest and extradition of Lee, also known as Karl Lee and by several other aliases, from the Chinese government. He is believed to be at large in China.

SUSPECTED FIRMS BLACKLISTED

The sanctions designate the firms and individuals as proliferators of weapons of mass destruction under an executive order and seek to freeze any assets they have under U.S. jurisdiction. They also prohibit Americans from doing any business with the firms and individuals.

The Treasury said it added Lee and eight aliases for LIMMT to its weapons proliferation blacklist. The company itself was put under Treasury sanctions in 2006. 

 The Treasury named the Iranian firms Khorasan Metallurgy Industries, Kaveh Cutting Tools Co, the Amin Industrial Complex, Yazd Metallurgy Industries and Shahid Sayyade Shirazi Industries for their connection to Iran's Defense Industries Organization (DIO).

The Niru Battery Manufacturing Co was named because of its connection to Iran's Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics (MODAFL).

The U.S. State Department has named DIO and MODAFL for having engaged in activities that materially contributed to the development of Iran's nuclear and missile programs.

The U.S. banks employed by Lee were innocent of any wrongdoing because Lee and other suspects had concealed their identities, Morgenthau said.

Morgenthau identified the U.S. banks as Citibank (C.N), JPMorgan Chase (JPM.N), Wachovia Bank/Wells Fargo Standard Centered Bank (WFC.N), Bank of America (BAC.N) and The Bank of New York Mellon (BK.N) but he declined to identify the European banks.

"We may not be able to shut down Mr. Lee's factories, but we can shine a spotlight on his conduct and the conduct of the foreign banks that permit these types of operations to flourish," Morgenthau said. (Writing by Daniel Trotta; Editing by Vicki Allen)

Morgenthau identified the U.S. banks as

Citibank (C.N),

JPMorgan Chase (JPM.N),

Wachovia Bank/Wells Fargo Standard Centered Bank (WFC.N),

Bank of America (BAC.N) and

The Bank of New York Mellon (BK.N)

but he declined to identify the European banks.

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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2009, 10:30:18 pm »
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Morgenthau identified the U.S. banks as

Citibank (C.N),

JPMorgan Chase (JPM.N),

Wachovia Bank/Wells Fargo Standard Centered Bank (WFC.N),

Bank of America (BAC.N) and

The Bank of New York Mellon (BK.N)

but he declined to identify the European banks.


  All Zombie banks that took part of the 23.7 trillion from the Federal Reserve.

  Tarpley defines Zombie banks as banks that don't make loans.  They just play and manipulate the markets.

  The 2nd wave of the greatest depression is nearing (Sep and Oct 2009) and they are going to crash again because the dollar is going to tank.
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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2009, 03:00:52 am »
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2009, 09:45:32 am »
Osama bin Laden worked for the CIA/US until 9/11?
All I can think is…NO SHIT!
I was just waiting for the facts to come to light sooner or later.
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2009, 10:22:49 pm »
CIA collusion with "Al Qaeda" financiers and attack planners


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Wayne Madsen Report has learned from an intelligence source from a NATO country that elements of the CIA have coordinated their activities with top Gulf state officials who have been connected to "Al Qaeda" networks that have planned and financed various terrorist attacks.

A number of the "Al Qaeda"-associated officials are veterans of the CIA's war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, including a top prince of the Al Thani royal family of Qatar who also serves as a government minister. The prince, who was shot twice in the back while fighting with the Afghan mujaheddin against the Soviets in Afghanistan, maintains close relations with the Taliban in Afghanistan and serves as a conduit between the CIA and both the Taliban and "Al Qaeda."

The prince maintains contact with "Al Qaeda's" financial network through contacts in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. The regional security officer for the British embassy in Dubai, believed to be an MI-6 official cover, maintains contact with the Qatari prince and his "Jihadist" financial and logistics network in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. This network, allowed to operate with CIA and MI-6 knowledge and soft support, also, according to our source, involves a top official in the government of Abu Dhabi who is close to the Abu Dhabi royal family.

In 2006, Qatar's interior minister, Sheikh Abdullah Bin Khalid Al-Thani, rejected a civil judgment against him by a New York federal judge stating that he harbored Al Qaeda's number three man Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and tipped off Mohammed before a CIA attempt to arrest him in 1996. In fact, WMR has learned that the CIA station at the U.S. embassy in Doha, Qatar, has been a key link between the agency and the "Al Qaeda" support network in recent years, even in late 2001 when Al-Thani was accused of harboring both Mohammed and another Al Qaeda operative, Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, who was later allegedly killed by U.S. forces in Iraq.

Another individual with whom the CIA in the UAE maintains close contact is Osama Bin Laden's former financial adviser, a British-Mozambican UK citizen, who once lived in Bin Laden's home in Saudi Arabia where the "Al Qaeda" leader received various diplomats from countries that included Britain and the United States. A cousin of Bin Laden's financial adviser served at the British Consulate General in Chicago, from which financial support was given to "Al Qaeda" operatives in the United States.

Chicago FBI agents Robert Wright and John Vincent began investigating the Al Qaeda money trail links between Chicago area terrorist cells and Bin Laden after the East Africa U.S. embassy bombings in 1998. However, their investigation was spiked by FBI headquarters in Washington.

Another FBI agent who was getting close to the connections between "Al Qaeda," the Saudi government, and the CIA and MI-6 was John P. O'Neill, the top FBI agent assigned to investigate Al Qaeda. O'Neill discovered the Western intelligence and Saudi/Gulf connections to Al Qaeda but was subjected to a pre-retirement theft of his briefcase that contained classified documents on his investigation. After his stormy retirement from the FBI, O'Neill was hired by Kroll Associates as the head of security for the World Trade Center and after only a day or two on the job, died in the collapse of the World Trade Center.

According to a French DGSE highly classified intelligence document received by WMR, Bin Laden remained under the operational control of the CIA and Britain's MI-6 until 1995. In July 2001, just weeks before the 9/11 attacks, French media reported that Bin Laden was visited at the American Hospital in Dubai by Larry Mitchell, the CIA's station chief in Dubai. Bin Laden maintained accounts at Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), associated with various CIA operations in the years of the mujaheddin war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. With the knowledge and approval of the CIA, those accounts shifted to other banks after the collapse of BCCI in 1991. Mossad and Middle East banking sources have told WMR that those banks include Citigroup, the National Commercial Bank of Saudi Arabia, and HSBC.

One place where "Al Qaeda" operatives, mostly Saudis but a few nationals of other Middle East countries like Lebanon, often rub shoulders with CIA and MI-6 "liaisons" in Thailand, particularly Bangkok and Pattaya. Ironically, Bangkok was the site of one of the CIA's secret rendition prisons where "Al Qaeda" suspects were tortured.

Southeast Asia is a preferred place for weapons transfers from Western intelligence agents to the "Al Qaeda" and "Jemaah Islamiya" operatives. Last week, the Philippine Coast Guard intercepted the M/V Captain Ufuk as it entered Manila Bay carrying a cargo of Israeli Galil assault rifles. The Captain Ufuk has a Georgian crew, South African captain, Panamanian registry, and had began its trip in Turkey with an intermediate stop in Indonesia. The Philippines is reported by the CIA to be a center for "Al Qaeda"-affiliated "Abu Sayyaf" terrorist activity. It appears that the CIA and their Israeli friends know much more about the Abu Sayyaf activity as they did about the 2002 nightclub bombing in Bali.

Writing in the Atlantic Free Press on January 15, 2009, Tim Gatto reported: "The main attempt of the administration was to invent a huge group of militant Muslims operating in 87 countries that was led by Osama Bin Laden. The name of this Washington invention was called al Qaeda. This in Arabic means The Base. It was originally a database.

"This is what Wayne Madsen wrote about al Qaeda: 'Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons [and wrote in The Guardian] that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.'

"Al Qaeda" has apparently extorted large sums of money from the governments of the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait as 'protection insurance' against 'Al Qaeda' terrorist attacks within their nations. One such scheme involved a threat to bomb the foundations of several new high-rise skyscrapers on Sheikh Zayed Road in Dubai. The CIA/MI-6 network in the Gulf is also reported to sanctions the Sh'ia Mahdi Army operations in Iraq that have been responsible for a number of deadly terrorist attacks against U.S. and allied troops and Iraqi military and civilian targets.

"An important liaison between the CIA and Bin Laden was Bin Laden's assistant, Ali Mohammed, an Egyptian Army veteran who was officially reported to have been rebuffed by the CIA when he tried to become an agent but was gladly hired by the Special Warfare Center in Fort Bragg, North Carolina as an instructor. Ali Mohammed trained some of those who would later serve with the CIA's Special Activities Division and Blackwater. Ali Mohammed was yet another link between the CIA and 'Al Qaeda.'"

WMR's intelligence source has attempted to inform U.S. military authorities about the connections of the CIA to the Qatar/Abu Dhabi/Dubai "Al Qaeda" jihadist network but was told by a U.S. Army captain at Tallil airbase in Iraq that his safety could not be ensured by the U.S. military.

WMR has learned from our intelligence source that the CIA's assassination team predates the George W. Bush administration and that it was used for special assassination "wet affairs" jobs during both the Clinton and George H. W. Bush administrations.

The CIA used a wealthy intermediary in Switzerland who manipulated the market in high-dollar art sales to provide money for special CIA accounts maintained at Bank Hofmann in Zurich, acquired by Clariden Leu AG in 2007. Bank Hofmann, a private bank that also maintained branches in Geneva and London.

Another private bank used to launder CIA hit squad operations was Trufinco of Zurich. Money laundered by the CIA from stolen artwork was reportedly handled by a CIA entity called the Boecking Trust which used various free ports around the world to hide stolen artwork. Some of the paintings stolen and sold by the CIA were to rich Saudis at Marbella in Spain and included four paintings held by the late Princess Diana at Bank Leu, one Van Dyck, two Rubens, and one Rembrandt. Bank Leu, also known as Clariden Leu, is also reportedly a front for secret CIA banking. Ironically, the bank was used by two U.S. spies for Russia, CIA agent Harold Nicholson and FBI agent Robert Hanssen, to maintain secret bank accounts to hide their payments from Russian intelligence.

The CIA assassination covert operational infrastructure also had direct links to CIA fronts in Panama, Japan, France, Italy, Monaco, and Texas. Some of the CIA wet affairs officials also had close relations to former President George H. W. Bush in Texas. There were also links between the CIA death squads and top officials of the Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid, the party of former Pakistan dictator General Pervez Musharraf, as well as large Japanese yakuza organized crime families linked to the Liberal Democratic Party. The CIA hit teams also received funding from narcotics smuggling through the agency's joint operations with the yakuza, Golden Triangle warlords in Burma, and Colombian paramilitary narco-terrorists tied to the government of Colombian President Alvaro Uribe.

Former CIA Executive Director Alvin "Buzzy" Krongard is reported to have helped cement the relationship with Blackwater USA to conduct post-9/11 assassinations for the CIA. Krongard was chairman of Alex, Brown Brothers and vice chairman of Banker's Trust after its acquisition of the Baltimore-based securities investment firm. After he left the CIA, Krongard became a member of Blackwater's advisory board. His brother, Howard "Cookie" Krongard, served as Inspector General for the State Department, and, according to four State Department IG officials, Ron Militana, Brian Rubendall, and John DeDona, ordered them to immediately cease their investigations of Blackwater's State Department contracts.

Two ex-Blackwater employees have submitted affidavits in the U.S. Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria that connects Blackwater http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR2009082803782.html?wpisrc=newsletter to criminal activities, including weapons smuggling, money laundering, murders of whistleblowers, and prostitution, charges that dovetail with WMR's latest information that CIA assassination teams were involved with hiding and funding their activities through deals with criminal syndicates in Japan, Europe, Southeast Asia, Colombia, and the Middle East.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and nationally-distributed columnist. He is the editor and publisher of the Wayne Madsen Report http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
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Re: ***Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2009, 10:29:31 am »
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