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Offline Ghost in the Machine

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This is insane: we have to make this Viral!!!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/100992 :follow link for a PDF verson!
I just received this email and have no verification of the below statements.
If even Half of them are correct.... this transcends WAY beyond healthcare.
We're talking
National ID card (page 58)
immediate access to every American citizen's bank accounts via electronic funds transfers (page 59)
property owned by the doctors in the United States to be determined by the government (page 317)
American citizens ordered to give the United States government power over their living wills (page 425)
The United States government given a new power to determine who and how their citizens die (page 427)
End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)
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Inside the Healthcare Bill
here's the XML
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17352956/House-Health-Reform-Bill

Page 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. you have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of benefit levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances and personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of a Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission the Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in to Government plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committe. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Governmentt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Governmentt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services
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It's unbelievable.  What are the chances that this thing will pass?  If it passes, what are the chances it will be implemented?  I just can't see the patients and physicians going along with this. 

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Here is the contact information for your representatives.

Email Contact Information for Health Care Reform Bill
Vote NO! on the Health Care Reform Bill!

Keep it up, we're making a difference!

If Energy and Commerce does not vote the bill out of Committee, then it will force the bill to the floor of the House without the Committee's approval.

That means the Health Care Reform Bill will go to a vote THIS WEEK!

Contact these representatives:

Tier 1: Conservative to Moderate Democrats who are on Energy and Commerce in the House
1. Rep. Boucher of VA
Chief of Staff: Becky Coleman email: [email protected]
2. Rep. Sutton of OH
Chief of Staff: Nichole Reynolds email: [email protected]

3. Rep. Stupak of MI
Chief of Staff: Scott Schloegel email: [email protected]
4. Rep. Braley of Iowa
Chief of Staff: Sarah Benzing email: [email protected]
5. Rep. Mike Ross of AR
Chief of Staff: Drew Goesl email: [email protected]
6. Rep. Baron Hill of IN
Chief of Staff: John Zody email: [email protected]
7. Rep. John Barrow of GA
Chief of Staff: Ashley Jones email: [email protected]
8. Rep. Charlie Melancon of LA Chief
of Staff: Joe Bonfiglio email: [email protected]
9. Rep. Bart Gordon of TN
Chief of Staff: Donna Pignatelli email: [email protected]
10. Rep. Jim Matheson of UT
Chief of Staff: Stacey Alexander email: [email protected]
11. Rep. Zack Space of OH
Chief of Staff: Stuart Chapman email: [email protected]
Tier 2: Conservative to Moderate Democrats in House not on Energy and Commerce
1. Rep. Frank Kratovil of MD
Chief of Staff: Tim McCann email: [email protected]
2. Rep. Bobby Bright of AL
Chief of Staff: Meg Joseph email: [email protected]
3. Rep. Walt Minnick of ID
Chief of Staff: Kare Haas email: [email protected]
4. Rep. Parker Griffith of AL
Chief of Staff: Sharon Wheeler email: [email protected]
5. Rep. Mike Arcuri of NY
Chief of Staff: Sam Marchio email: [email protected]
6. Rep. Glenn Nye of VA
Chief of Staff: Angela Kouters email: [email protected]
7. Rep. Travis Childers of MS
Chief of Staff: Brad Morris email: [email protected]
8. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of AZ
Chief of Staff: Pia Carusone email: [email protected]
9. Rep. Leonard Boswell of IA
Chief of Staff: Susan McAvoy email: [email protected]
10. Rep. Dennis Moore of KS
Chief of Staff: Howard Bauleke email: [email protected]
11. Rep. Jason Altmire of PA
Chief of Staff: Matt Walker email: [email protected]
12. Rep. Christoper Carney of PA
Chief of Staff: April Metwalli email: [email protected]
13. Rep. Patrick Murphy of PA
Chief of Staff: Scott Fairchild email: [email protected]
14. Rep. Lincoln Davis of TN
Chief of Staff: Beecher Fraiser email: [email protected]
15. Rep. Melissa Bean of IL
Chief of Staff: Elizabeth Hart email: [email protected]
16. Rep. John Salazar of CO
Chief of Staff: Ronnie Carleton email: [email protected]
17. Rep. Allen Boyd of FL
Chief of Staff: Melanie Morris email: [email protected]
18. Rep. Heath Shuler of NC
Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: [email protected]
19. Rep. Earl Pomeroy of ND
Chief of Staff: Bob Siggins email: [email protected]e.gov
20. Rep. Charlie Wilson of OH
Chief of Staff: Candace Abbey email: [email protected]
21. Rep. Tim Holden of PA
Chief of Staff: Trish Reilly email: [email protected]
22. Rep. Brad Ellsworth of IN
Chief of Staff: Cori Smith email: [email protected]
23. Rep. Ben Chandler of KY
Chief of Staff: Denis Fleming email: [email protected]
24. Rep. Jim Cooper of TN
Chief of Staff: Lisa Quigley email: [email protected]
25. Rep. Joe Donnelly of IN
Chief of Staff: Joel Elliot email: [email protected]
26. Rep. Mike Michaud of ME
Chief of Staff: Pete Chandler email: [email protected]
27. Rep. Mike Thompson of CA
Chief of Staff: Charles Jefferson email: [email protected]
28. Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin of SD
Chief of Staff: Tessa Gould email: [email protected]
29. Rep. Adam Schiff of CA
Chief of Staff: Timothy Bergreen email: [email protected]
30. Rep. Jane Harman of CA
Chief of Staff: John Hess email: [email protected]
31. Rep. Joe Baca of CA
Chief of Staff: Linda Macias email: [email protected]
32. Rep. Sanford Bishop of GA
Chief of Staff: Phyllis Hallmon email: [email protected]
33. Rep. Mike McIntyre of NC
Chief of Staff: Dean Mitchell email: [email protected]
34. Rep. Henry Cuellar of TX
Chief of Staff: Terry Stinson email: [email protected]
35. Rep. Loretta Sanchez of CA
Chief of Staff: Adrienne Elrod email: [email protected]
36. Rep. Dan Boren of OK
Chief of Staff: Jason Buckner email: [email protected]
37. Rep. Collin Peterson of MN
Chief of Staff: Mark Brownell email: [email protected]
38. Rep. Jim Costa of CA
Chief of Staff: Scott Nishioki email: [email protected]
39. Rep. Gene Taylor of MS
Chief of Staff: Stephen Peranich email: [email protected]
40. Rep. Dennis Cardoza of CA
Chief of Staff: Jennifer Walsh email: [email protected]
41. Rep. John Tanner of TN
Chief of Staff: Vickie Walling email: [email protected]
42. Rep. Marion Berry of AR
Chief of Staff: Chad Causey email: [email protected]

Phone and Fax Contact Info for Key NO! votes.
Health Care Reform Bill, these people need to hear from you!

Contact information for Nevada legislatures, 14 key members of the House and Senate plus 51 Blue Dog Democrats

Name (Party) State-District Phone Fax
Altmire, Jason (D)PA-04 T: 202-225-2565 F: 202-226-2274
Arcuri, Michael (D)NY-24 T: 202-225-3665 F: 202-225-1891
Baca Joe (D)CA-43 T: 202-225-6161 F: 202-225-8671
Barrow, John (D)GA-12 T: 202-225-2823 F: 202-225-3377
Becerra, Xavier (D)CA-31 T: 202-225-6235 F: 202-225-2202
Berkley, Shelly (D)NV-1 T: 202-225-5965 F: 202-225-3119
Berry, Marion (D)AR-01 T: 202-225-4076 F: 202-225-5602
Bishop, Sanford (D)GA-02 T: 202-225-3631 F: 202-225-2203
Boehner, John (R)OH-08 T: 202-225-6205 F: 202-225-0704
Boren, Dan (D)OK-02 T: 202-225-2701 F: 202-225-3038
Boswell, Leonard (D)IA-03 T: 202-225-3806 F: 202-225-5608
Boyd, Allen (D)FL-02 T: 202-225-5235 F: 202-225-5615
Bright, Bobby (D)AL-02 T: 202-225-2901 F: 202-225-8913
Butterfield Jr,G.K. (D)NC-01 T: 202-225-3101 F: 202-225-3354
Cantor, Eric (R)VA-07 T: 202-225-2815 F: 202-225-0011
Cardoza, Dennis (D)CA-18 T: 202-225-6131 F: 202-225-0819
Carney, Christopher (D)PA-10 T: 202-225-3731 F: 202-225-9594
Chandler, Ben (D)KY-06 T: 202-225-4706 F: 202-225-2122
Childers, Travis (D)MS-01 T: 202-225-4306 F: 202-225-3549
Clyburn, James (D)SC-06 T: 202-225-3315 F: 202-225-2313
Cooper, Jim (D)TN-05 T: 202-225-4311 F: 202-226-1035
Costa, Jim (D)CA-20 T: 202-225-3341 F: 202-225-9308
Crowley ,Joseph (D)NY-07 T: 202-225-3965 F: 202-225-1909
Cuellar, Henry (D)TX-28 T: 202-225-1640 F: 202-225-1641
Davis, Lincoln (D)TN-04 T: 202-225-6831 F: 202-226-5172
DeGette, Diana (D)CO-01 T: 202-225-4431 F: 202-225-5657
DeLauro, Rosa L. (D)CT-03 T: 202-225-3661 F: 202-225-4890
Donnelly, Joe (D)IN-02 T: 202-225-3915 F: 202-225-6798
Ellsworth, Brad (D)IN-08 T: 202-225-4636 F: 202-225-3284
Ensign, John (R) NV T: 202-224-6244 F: 202-228-2193 Giffords, Gabrielle (D)AZ-08 T: 202-225-2542 F: 202-225-0378
Gordon, Bart (D)TN-06 T: 202-225-4231 F: 202-225-6887
Griffith, Parker (D)AL-05 T: 202-225-4801 F: 202-225-4392
Harman, Jane (D)CA-36 T: 202-225-8220 F: 202-226-7290
Heller, Dean (R) NV-2 T: 202-225-6155 F: 202-225-5679
Herseth-Sandlin,Stephanie(D)SD-01T: 202-225-2801 F: 202-225-5823
Hill, Baron (D)IN-09 T: 202-225-5315 F: 202-226-6866
Holden, Tim (D)PA-17 T: 202-225-5546 F: 202-226-0996
Hoyer, Steny (D)MD-05 T: 202-225-4131 F: 202-225-4300
Kratovil, Frank (D)MD-01 T: 202-225-5311 F: 202-225-0254
Larson, John (D)CT-01 T: 202-225-2265 F: 202-225-1031
Lewis, John (D)GA-05 T: 202-225-3801 F: 202-225-0351
Marshall, Jim (D)GA-08 T: 202-225-6531 F: 202-225-3013
Matheson, James (D)UT-02 T: 202-225-3011 F: 202-225-5638
McIntyre, Mike (D)NC-07 T: 202-225-2731 F: 202-225-5773
Melancon, Charlie (D)LA-03 T: 202-225-4031 F: 202-226-3944
Michaud, Mike (D)ME-02 T: 202-225-6306 F: 202-225-2943
Miller, George (D)CA-07 T: 202-225-2095 F: 202-225-5609
Minnick, Walter (D)ID-01 T: 202-225-6611 F: 202-225-3029
Mitchell, Harry (D)AZ-05 T: 202-225-2190 F: 202-225-3263
Moore, Dennis (D)KS-03 T: 202-225-2865 F: 202-225-2807
Murphy, Patrick (D)PA-08 T: 202-225-4276 F: 202-225-9511
Nye, Glenn (D)VA-02 T: 202-225-4215 F: 202-225-4218
Pelosi, Nancy (D)CA-08 T: 202-225-4965 F: 202-225-4188
Peterson, Collin (D)MN-07 T: 202-225-2165 F: 202-225-1593
Pomeroy, Earl (D)ND-01 T: 202-225-2611 F: 202-226-0893
Reid, Harry (D)NV T: 202- 224-3542 F: 202-224-7327
Ross, Michael (D)AR-04 T: 202-225-3772 F: 202-225-1314
Salazar, John (D)CO-03 T: 202-225-4761 F: 202-226-9669
Sanchez, Loretta (D)CA-47 T: 202-225-2965 F: 202-225-5859
Schiff, Adam (D)CA-29 T: 202-225-4176 F: 202-225-5828
Scott, David (D)GA-13 T: 202-225-2939 F: 202-225-4628
Shuler, Heath (D)NC-11 T: 202-225-6401 F: 202-226-6422
Space, Zack (D)OH-18 T: 202-225-6265 F: 202-225-3394
Tanner, John (D)TN-08 T: 202-225-4714 F: 202-225-1765
Taylor, Gene (D)MS-04 T: 202-225-5772 F: 202-225-7074
Thompson, Mike (D)CA-01 T: 202-225-3311 F: 202-225-4335
Titus, Dina (D) NV-03 T: 202-225-3252 F: 202-225-2185
Wilson, Charles (D)OH-06 T: 202-225-5705 F: 202-225-5907
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Umm guys... remember that our representatives are bought and paid for.

And this is just their "scare you so they can bring out the revised version" later that they probably will get passed. See that's how they do the trick. They first try to publish an outlandish version of their nasty law, and then later they provide the revised version that the "people choose." PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION.

I'm waiting for WW3 to come around. Hopefully by then the sheep will wake up.

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Umm guys... remember that our representatives are bought and paid for.

And this is just their "scare you so they can bring out the revised version" later that they probably will get passed. See that's how they do the trick. They first try to publish an outlandish version of their nasty law, and then later they provide the revised version that the "people choose." PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION.

I'm waiting for WW3 to come around. Hopefully by then the sheep will wake up.

Correct and we will also expose the revised version like we did with the bailout.

We expose every version of every insane anti-constitutional edict of tyranny.
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

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sane any word on Jones getting on direct TV yet we need more eyes opened ASAP....
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sane any word on Jones getting on direct TV yet we need more eyes opened ASAP....

Please post in the questions section and you can also post it in the radio show board. thanks
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Wow, with the left hand they have a imaginary de-health bill dressed up like its trying to help people.

In the right hand they have a chain they are going to attach to you (and beat you with) for it...


Only a government that was TOTALLY and 100% into bondage under socialism would even write a bill like this...

We need to start tracking WHO WRITES THESE BILLS.

These people are not fit to even be introducing them.

Its a soft slavery bill - that is all it is.

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they better shoot down this tyranny bill.

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These evil bastards are still trying to get this passed (obamacare) before the August recess.
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And the sheeple will BE GLAD they have health care.   :o
"The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, and their power of forgetting is enormous." --Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf"

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And the sheeple will BE GLAD they have health care.   :o


hahaha...

they stripped out a public option for healthcare...

hahahaha...

the Obamanoids are going ape shit.

just like the anti-climate bill that was 100% against environmentalists.

now the obamanoids can see that the anti-healthcare bill is 100% against healthcare.

WAKE UP LEFT/RIGHT! THEY ARE AGAINST EVERYONE!
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Price controls, or laws that force prices down below market-clearing levels (where supply and demand are coordinated), artificially stimulate the amount demanded by consumers while reducing supply by making it unprofitable to supply as much as previously. The result of increased demand and reduced supply is shortages. Non-price rationing becomes necessary. This means that government bureaucrats, not individuals and their doctors, inevitably determine who will get medical treatment and who will not, what kind of medical technology will be available, how many doctors there will be, and so forth.

http://mises.org/story/3586

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Can you say Hypocrisy?

Hypocrisy is the act of being less critical of oneself than of others

Members of the U.S. Congress. Representatives and Senators alike receive some of the best health care benefits in the country, much of it paid for with taxpayer dollars. Yet these same members seem unable - or unwilling - to extend similar protections to the rest of America.

Federal Employees Health Benefits Program

As soon as members of Congress are sworn in, they may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). The program offers an assortment of health plans from which to choose, including fee-for-service, point-of-service, and health maintenance organizations (HMOs). In addition, Congress members can also insure their spouses and their dependents.

Not only does Congress get to choose from a wide range of plans, but there's no waiting period. Unlike many Americans who must struggle against precondition clauses or are even denied coverage because of those preconditions, Senators and Representatives are covered no matter what - effective immediately.

And here's the best part. The government pays up to 75 percent of the premium. That government, of course, is funded by taxpayers, the same taxpayers who often cannot afford health care themselves and are going to get ration healthcare with this bill.

And the Congressional perks don't stop with the FEHBP.

According to the article "Health care as good as Congress gets," by John Barry, a staff writer for the St. Petersburg Times, "Members of Congress have their own pharmacy, right in the Capitol. They also have a team of doctors, technicians and nurses standing by in case something busts in a filibuster. They can get a physical exam, an X-ray or an electrocardiogram, without leaving work."

Although members pay extra for these services - Representatives pay about $300 per month, and Senators about $600 - taxpayers end up kicking in another $2 million. That's $2 million not being spent on those who need it.

House and Senate's Health Care Legacy

Despite the services that members of Congress receive at the taxpayer's expense, they've done little on behalf of those who cannot afford or cannot get health care

Hypocrisy is the act of being less critical of oneself than of others

Oppose H.R.3200 The America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009!

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MSM is being forced to deal with this situation!!!!

bwaaahahahaha

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=121377.0
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We need to start tracking WHO WRITES THESE BILLS.


I'm not sure, but I suspect 'think tanks' and lobbyists write the bills.
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Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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I'm not sure, but I suspect 'think tanks' and lobbyists write the bills.

Bank of America wrote the bailout bill it was exposed on TPM Muckraker.
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Obama Not likely to get Obamacare passed in August
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2009, 10:49:03 pm »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=am77.VJg3JqU


Democrats Say House May Miss Deadline on Health Care (Update2)
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By James Rowley and Nicole Gaouette

July 28 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. House Democratic leaders, struggling to reach an accord with party dissidents on health care, said they’re likely to miss President Barack Obama’s August deadline for legislation overhauling the medical system.

“It doesn’t look like it to me,” House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel said in an interview. “I really hoped that we could have gotten a bill out of here by now,” he said, adding that he has a “heavy political heart.”

Obama, who has made revamping health care the centerpiece of his domestic agenda, had urged the House and Senate to each pass versions of the bill before their monthlong August recess so negotiations on a compromise could begin when they return. He’s seeking to provide health coverage to tens of millions of Americans who lack it and curb the soaring cost of care.

With the Senate already planning to leave for its recess without voting, Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, went to Capitol Hill to meet with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and members of the so-called Blue Dog coalition of Democrats, who object to the cost and structure of the legislation.

The House would only stay in session a few days after the start of the August break if an agreement can be reached to allow the bill to clear the Energy and Commerce Committee, where the Blue Dogs are holding up the legislation, Hoyer said earlier.

Not a ‘Failure’

“Whether or not there will be any productive reason to stay for that period of time remains to be seen,” Hoyer said at his weekly press conference. “It’s unfortunate we didn’t meet our timeline, but I don’t think it’s a failure.”

Hoyer said lawmakers will spend August putting together the bills produced by House committees. Besides Rangel’s panel, the Education and Labor Committee has passed legislation.

The bills drafted would transform an industry that makes up about 18 percent of the economy. They include a new government program similar to Medicare that would compete against private insurers for customers on an online exchange and a mandate that employers provide insurance or pay a fine.

‘Got a Problem’

Obama continued his push for legislation, telling AARP members today his plan won’t cut corners to cut costs.

“We all know that right now we’ve got a problem” caused by the rapidly rising cost of medical care, he told members of the group, the biggest advocacy organization for retirees, at a town hall-style event in Washington.

The Senate Finance Committee continued to seek bipartisan agreement on legislation, which is unlikely to include a government-run insurance program yet may contain a tax on insurers and employers who offer the most expensive plans.

Instead of a new government entity, the committee is considering a system of nonprofit health-care cooperatives that would cover 12 million people and receive $6 billion in federal startup funds, Senator Kent Conrad said.

Actuaries say “this would very early on get 12 million” people covered, Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat, told reporters. He said the plan could be operated on a state, regional or national approach.

‘Cadillac’ Plans

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said he was “relatively confident” the panel will reach agreement by week’s end.

Kerry said his plan to tax “Cadillac” health benefits is gaining support. “There’s certainly consensus building now that it’s fair to ask the most expensive plans to contribute something” to help finance the overhaul, he told reporters.

Hoyer called such a tax “a reasonable alternative” that is “good health-care policy and good tax policy” as long as it isn’t aimed at “average families.”

Hoyer said the public option was a “very important” component of the House legislation to inject competition into the health-care market. House Democrats would have to “see how it’s formulated to see whether or not we conclude it will have similar effect.”

The Blue Dog members of the Energy and Commerce Committee aren’t ready to support the legislation until the Congressional Budget Office estimates how much money would be saved by concessions that Chairman Henry Waxman made, Indiana Democrat Baron Hill said.

In negotiations last night, Waxman “agreed to a lot of our proposals” and “kind of watered them down,” Hill said.

‘Keep Talking’

The Blue Dogs say they want to wring out hundreds of billions of dollars in additional cost savings from the medical system before agreeing to legislation that would extend coverage to uninsured Americans. They also insist that Congress find a way to pay for the plan without increasing the deficit.

“The bottom line of the Blue Dogs has not been met at this time,” North Dakota Democrat Earl Pomeroy told reporters.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said the impasse among Democrats will force party leaders to seek Republican support. “If we’re going to have real health reform, it will have to be bipartisan,” he said in an interview.

Blue Dog Florida Democrat Allen Boyd said delaying a House vote will help ensure lawmakers reach consensus on such critical legislation. “It is not imperative we do this now,” Boyd told reporters. “It’s more important to get it right,” he said. “Let’s keep talking.”

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This bill blows harder then George Bush at the bohemian groove..
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Bank of America wrote the bailout bill it was exposed on TPM Muckraker.

Well that just FITS doesn't it.
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Bank of America wrote the bailout bill it was exposed on TPM Muckraker.

Damn I never knew that :(

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The aim of totalitarian regimes has always been to keep the 'workers' just well enough, long enough to perform their slave labor to 'retirement' age ... that is per the actuarial tables ... but no longer. A serviceable body and a weak mind is the perfect vehicle to serve the agenda, as far as they are concerned.

What does "Universal Healthcare" mean to the NWO?

It means, "... keep them young bucks strappin' strong ... got to get as much work out of 'em as possible!"

"But them youguns ... no siree! And them old farts too damaged by fluoride and aspartame and vaccines to get the job done ... to hell with 'em!"

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Ezekiel Emanuel: Death to Those With Dementia, as Useless Eaters


July 21, 2009 (LPAC)-- Ezekiel Emanuel, the top healthcare adviser at Obama's Budget Office and brother of his chief of staff, believes it is "obvious" that people with Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia (estimated as one of three people who live beyond the age of 65) should be denied health-care, since they are "irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens." An essay published in the Hastings Center Report (Nov-Dec 1996) by Emanuel, Norman Daniels and Bruce Jennings, says in part:

"This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity - those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberation - are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=2&subcatid=30&threadid=2724097

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Ezekiel Emanuel ... brother of Rahm Emanuel

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/02/dr_ezekiel_emanuel_rahms_broth.html

http://www.slu.edu/x26866.xml

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/07/26/ezekiel-emanuel-deny-coverage-to-elderly-and-disabled-for-the-greater-good.php

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Obama advisor would ration medical care to seniors, young children, the demented

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-advisor-would-deny-medical-care-to-seniors-demented-51414342.html


By: Mark Tapscott
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07/22/09 2:57 PM EDT

No wonder President Obama is in such a rush to get his health care reform package through Congress before the August recess. And before the public finds out about Ezekiel Emanuel, special advisor to Peter Orzag, Obama's director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and brother to White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

Emanuel has written in medical journals of how health care should be rationed, with priority given to younger people over seniors and over those suffering from dementia, according to John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). Ezekiel also believes that very young children should be lower on the priority list than younger people who have received public educations.

Goodman cites an article Ezekiel co-authored with two other men that appeared in the January 31, 2009, edition of the British medical journal, The Lancet. Goodman also cites a 1996 article by Ezekiel that appeared in The Hastings Report. In the latter, which was titled "Where civic republicanism and deliberative democracy meet," Ezekiel argued for limiting health care for “individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.”  He cited "not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” as an example.

Goodman offers additional analysis on his blog of Ezekiel's presence among Obama's health care advisors. Goodman notes that the health care reform legislation now being crafted in Congress includes a provision designed to ration the availability of MRI, CT and other advanced technology scans that often are critical to identifying dangerous diseases at a sufficiently early stage to enable life-extending treatment:

“An example of what can be done is actually in legislation being written on Capitol Hill. Buried somewhere in the 1,000 plus pages is a provision to severely limit what Medicare pays for CT and MRI scans performed in doctors' offices. This would force elderly patients, for example, to go to the hospital for their radiology — where there are often lengthy waits. Patients in rural areas who must travel long distances to get to hospital-based testing facilities may be discouraged from getting the tests done at all.”

“individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.”  Emanuel wrote, “An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

Goodman notes that the World Health Organization estimates that 25,000 cancer patients die in Britain annually as a result of such restrictions on medical scans.

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Damn I never knew that :(

Actually it was not muckraker, it was National Review Online.  And it was the mortgage lender bailout bill that preceded the more ridiculous banker (TARP) bailout bill. They got an internal document (that they are hosting for downloads) which matches the bill that was written by authors heretofre unknown.  Here is the original story:

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NRO Doc Drop: BofA-Scripted Bank Bailout Looks Awfully Similar to Dodd-Drafted Housing Bill   [Stephen Spruiell]
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODJkN2Q3NTY0MjAwYjJlNTY0NTJmMWEzZTI1OGZjZTg=
Friday, June 20, 2008

National Review Online has obtained an internal Bank of America "discussion document" (pdf here) on the subject of the FHA Housing Stabilization and Homeownership Retention Act of 2008, a.k.a. the Dodd-Shelby mortgage-lender bailout bill.

Yesterday, Tim Carney reported that the prevailing sentiment on Capitol Hill is that the Dodd-Shelby bill "is exactly what Bank of America and Countrywide wanted." BofA is in the process of acquiring Countrywide. Countrywide is currently embroiled in a scandal over its V.I.P. program, under which several powerful politicians, including Sen. Chris Dodd, got preferential loan rates.

This discussion document (dated March 11, 2008) would appear to support the contention that BofA essentially wrote the bailout section of the bill. Almost all of BofA's preferences are mirrored in the Dodd-Shelby legislation. The BofA document even offers PR tips, such as "We believe that any intervention by the federal government will be acceptable only if it is not perceived as a bail-out of the bond market."

The president has threatened to veto Dodd-Shelby because it would "unfairly benefit lenders who made bad loans." The Senate will resume debating the bill on Monday.

The BofA doc is worth posting here for a couple of reasons: First, the similarities between BofA's ideal bill and the bill before the Senate are obvious even to the layperson — read the document, then read David C. John's analysis of the bailout and see for yourself.

Second, we'd invite our readers with some expertise in this area to look over the document for things we might have missed. Opponents of the bailout are lucky that a few tenacious Republicans (Kit Bond, DeMint et al) were able to hold up the bill and keep it from passing as quickly as expected. The fight resumes next week, so take a look at this document and keep digging.


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Guys - I CANNOT find ANY of what this first post says in the bill - NONE!
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Guys - I CANNOT find ANY of what this first post says in the bill - NONE!

well that sucks, where is a link to the damn bill anyway.
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Guys - I CANNOT find ANY of what this first post says in the bill - NONE!

you must not be reading the same bill we are reading...ever single bit of that is in there.

for example Page 167  lines 18-23 about having people pay a 2.5% tax

‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
18 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
19 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
20 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
21 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
22 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of  the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in-
1 come for the taxable year, over
2 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
3 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.


I suggest you read a little more before you make a claim like that. A lot of this stuff is written in a way to be above the heads of most people which is why the OP is written in laymens terms for most of us to understand.
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Where are the first 10 - then I gave up...
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I have read over 300 state and federal supreme and appellate cases...

Also, every piece of legislation and EO since the Patriot Act...

And I missed 3 questions on the LSAT in 1986....
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I have read over 300 state and federal supreme and appellate cases...

Also, every piece of legislation and EO since the Patriot Act...

And I missed 3 questions on the LSAT in 1986....


You read the climate bill and the bailout bill?  Man those made me want to puke! You must have an iron stomach.
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Yes.

But, what is worse is when you put them all together...
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Where are the first 10 - then I gave up...

well the first 10 are all there too my friend... I mean you can't be lazy when reading this stuff. If it references another section while reading it you need to read that subsection to know how it is being applied. This stuff is all in there and its some really scary stuff! Below is page 29 lines 3-15 about rationing healthcare.

3 (2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—                              (Line 3. Just the term limitation itself equals rationing but lets continue)
4 (A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-shar-
5 ing incurred under the essential benefits pack-
6 age with respect to an individual (or family) for   (Lines 6-8. Depending on whether your single or married determines the amount of money you get each year for healthcare)
7 a year does not exceed the applicable level spec-
8 ified in subparagraph (B).


9 (B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.—The applicable
10 level specified in this sub-paragraph for Y1 is
11 $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a          (Line 11-16. The amount you get will vary depending on how much the government council determines your worth!!!!!!)
12 family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded
13 to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year
14 by the annual percentage increase in the Con-
15 sumer Price Index (United States city average)
16 applicable to such year.
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We're talking
National ID card (page 58)
immediate access to every American citizen's bank accounts via electronic funds transfers (page 59)
property owned by the doctors in the United States to be determined by the government (page 317)
American citizens ordered to give the United States government power over their living wills (page 425)
The United States government given a new power to determine who and how their citizens die (page 427)
End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)
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None of these are there.
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well the first 10 are all there too my friend... I mean you can't be lazy when reading this stuff. If it references another section while reading it you need to read that subsection to know how it is being applied. This stuff is all in there and its some really scary stuff! Below is page 29 lines 3-15 about rationing healthcare.

3 (2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—                              (Line 3. Just the term limitation itself equals rationing but lets continue)
4 (A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-shar-
5 ing incurred under the essential benefits pack-
6 age with respect to an individual (or family) for   (Lines 6-8. Depending on whether your single or married determines the amount of money you get each year for healthcare)
7 a year does not exceed the applicable level spec-
8 ified in subparagraph (B).


9 (B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.—The applicable
10 level specified in this sub-paragraph for Y1 is
11 $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a          (Line 11-16. The amount you get will vary depending on how much the government council determines your worth!!!!!!)
12 family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded
13 to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year
14 by the annual percentage increase in the Con-
15 sumer Price Index (United States city average)
16 applicable to such year.


amazing how complicated they make it.

Read the constitution, made at an eigth grade level, no confusion.
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We're talking
National ID card (page 58)
immediate access to every American citizen's bank accounts via electronic funds transfers (page 59)
property owned by the doctors in the United States to be determined by the government (page 317)
American citizens ordered to give the United States government power over their living wills (page 425)
The United States government given a new power to determine who and how their citizens die (page 427)
End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)
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None of these are there.



Look I'll break down one more but I don't have time to translate the whole thing again when its been done once already in the OP. A lot of this requires taking the the bill as a whole to see how saying a "Healthcare ID card" means a "National ID Card". If everyone has to have this health care plan and everyone has to have a health care ID card with all your pertinent personal info on it, then it is a National ID Card that is being represented as a Health Care ID card which is a half truth.


PAGE 58

5 ‘‘(D) enable the real-time (or near real-    (LINES 5-7 To be able to determine your financial responsibility they have to have access to your finances to begin with)
6 time) determination of an individual’s financial
7 responsibility at the point of service
and, to the
8 extent possible, prior to service, including
9 whether the individual is eligible for a specific
10 service with a specific physician at a specific fa-
11 cility, which may include utilization of a ma-       (LINES 11-13 You will need a Health Care ID (National ID) that allows them to determine this information in realtime)
12 chine-readable health plan beneficiary identi-
13 fication card;
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Dude, why are you being a dick about this:

which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card

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National ID Card

He took the time to explain it in a few examples and you do not even want to acknowledge it? I mean really, not for nothing but he actually explained it overwhelmingly for even a 3rd grader.  I do  not care if you read every writing since the heiroglyphs.  You are just being a dick about this.
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Dude, why are you being a dick about this:

which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card

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National ID Card

He took the time to explain it in a few examples and you do not even want to acknowledge it? I mean really, not for nothing but he actually explained it overwhelmingly for even a 3rd grader.  I do  not care if you read every writing since the heiroglyphs.  You are just being a dick about this.


I dunno man I mean some people just choose to remain ignorant I suppose. We can only do so much to help them see then we must move on. There is nothing left to do here, we know this bill is a farce and it is saying everything that is listed in the initial post. We need to focus on making sure they don't pass it now.
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If you have health insurance you probably already have a machine readable ID card for your plan so not sure why that would be a problem?  Section "D" on page 58 leaves a lot of things up in the air and should not be misconstrued.  In fact what they mean needs to be spelled out.  Call them out on it.  Personally I'm tired of being ripped off by my health insurance company for partial coverage so the CEO can fly around the world in a private jet eating off gold plates.  Smacks of the Roman Empire.  Go talk to your congressman.