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Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« on: October 08, 2009, 02:22:47 am »
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/07/congress%E2%80%99-secret-plan-to-pass-obamacare-confirmed/
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Leaders in the House and Senate have a plan to pass President Barack Obama’s sweeping health care plan by Thanksgiving without any significant participation by the American public. CNS News has confirmed the details in our September 22nd titled “Passing a Shell of A Bill: Congress’ Secret Plan to Ram Through Health Care Reform.” Nicholas Ballasy reports “a senior aide to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told CNSNews.com that it is ‘likely’ that Reid will use H.R. 1586—a bill passed by the House in March to impose a 90-percent tax on bonuses paid to employees of certain bailed-out financial institutions—as a ‘shell’ for enacting the final version of the Senate’s health care bill, which Reid is responsible for crafting.”

This story confirms the four part scenario that would railroad the bill through the Senate using a very unusual closed door procedure to craft the bill with no input from the American people.

The four stage plan to pass Obamacare has been publicly confirmed and is ready to be implemented. The following is a comprehensive update:

Step One: “The Senate Finance Committee will finish work on the marking up of Senator Max Baucus’ (D-MT) conceptual framework for legislation by this Friday.” Progress on this had been stalled and the bill was not passed by the end of last week. Foxnews.com is reporting that the Congressional Budget Office score of the bill will be released later today and a high score may further stall progress on the Committee’s Vapor Bill.  Senate Finance Committee’s progress on passing something out of committee – INCOMPLETE.

Step Two: Next, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will take the final product of the Senate Finance Committee and merge it with the product of the Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions (HELP) Committee. CNSnews.com has confirmed that “the actual final text of the legislation will be determined by Reid himself, who will consolidate the legislation approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and the still-unapproved legislation from the Senate Finance Committee. Reid will be able to draft and insert textual language that was not expressly approved by either committee.” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will write the final version of Obamacare to be considered in the Senate with no input from the American people. This is an extremely complex procedure that will not be done in public, or in the form of a hearing, or a public conference committee, and only Senator Harry Reid, some other Senators chosen by Reid and Obama Administration officials will be allowed to read the bill before the Senate debate starts. Merger of the bills – IN PROGRESS.

Step Three: Senator Reid will then move to proceed to H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients. A senior aid to Senate Majority Leader Ried has confirmed that he will move to proceed to Senate Calendar Number 36, H.R. 1586, or another House passed tax measure, so the Senate can avoid the Constitutional mandate that tax bills originate in the House. Proceed to tax shell of a bill – CONFIRMED.

Step Four: This scenario would most likely be implemented after the Massachusetts state legislature gives Governor Deval Patrick the power to appoint a new Senator and that Senator is seated by the Senate. The Senate swore in new Massachusetts Senator Paul Kirk on September 25th. Change Law of Massachusetts to allow for interim Senator – COMPLETE.

The final step in this plan is for the House to take up Obama care, without amending the legislation, and then sending that bill directly to the President for his signature. Matt Cover at CNSnews.com reports “House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) won’t rule out having the House vote on the Senate health-care bill without making any changes in it, which would allow the bill to go directly to President Barack Obama without having to pass through a House-Senate conference committee and another round of votes in the House and Senate–and a longer period of public scrutiny of what the text of the proposed law actually says.” This scenario is in the process of being implemented and, if successful, it will result in Obamacare being on the President’s desk in time for Thansgiving with minimal participation of the American public.

The San Francisco Examiner published an editorial today that exposed the fact that the American people can’t see the bill. “When then-Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama promised not to sign major legislation until it had been posted on the Internet for public reading at least five days, trusting voters took him at his word. Now they know better. Not only is the actual language of what is likely to become the main legislative vehicle for Obama’s signature health care reform not available on the Internet, it hasn’t been given to members of the key Senate committees or the Congressional Budget Office.” The procedure being used, in addition to the exclusion of the American people from the process, should be of grave concern to all who want to participate in democracy and have a say in Congress’ health care reforms that will touch 1/6th of the American economy.

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 06:13:41 am »
JAY ROCKEFELLER SNAKE IS POISED TO STRIKE

THIS BILL IS SO FULL OF INSANITY IT IS BEYOND BELIEF!
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 08:22:05 pm »
they pulled that crap with the bailout bill.

remember the senate used some other bill that the house passed because all appropriations bills must originate in the house.


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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 08:45:01 pm »
Reid, Pelosi & Obama's Secret plan to Pass Health Care - What you need to Know
Posted by BLW | Thursday, October 1, 2009 | 
Senator Harry Reid has a plan or two to get the health care bill passed in the Senate. These plans are a little more sneaky and underhanded than people realize. Yes there is "reconciliation", but he is trying to attach health care to the Tarp Bill revamp which taxes some TARP recipients, this has been side lined for months. If he can do that he thinks he has a way through. Reid understands he can't get 60 votes on an up or down vote which is what most Americans think happens in the Senate. If he gets two committees in the Senate to pass a version of health care he can get it to a floor vote, he hopes to get enough votes to get the bill out to the House. And then have the House vote on what ever the Senate passes so they don't have to come back to a conference committee were it could sink. This way they could send the bill to Obama directly without any review or revisions which he knows again, will sink it.

The House under Pelosi won't vote until the Senate does, they do not want to expose their liberal members to a vote for the bill, if the bill they vote for won't pass the Senate. To put members in a line and make them go on the record to vote could be murder for Democrats in moderate to conservative districts. If the Senate under Reid can pass a bill that can get just enough support in the House to get it across the line, Pelosi will attempt to shield her more vulnerable members. She can let them vote against the bill in hopes voters in their home districts will not hold the passage of the health care bill against them individually. Pelosi needs to try to attempt to protect the Democratic majority, she knows full well they will loose seats, the only question is how many and how far the loses will go. Joe Biden came out last week at a fund raiser and told liberals that if the Democrats loose 30 seats in the House, the agenda he and Obama have for the country is done.

With a recent poll showing senior citizens have only a 16% approval rating for the Obamacare plan, Democrats are trying hard to confuse the issue. The whack job Democrat with the "GOP wants you to die fast"sign is simply trying to counter the Sarah Palin "death panels" message. The simple fact is that liberals and Democrats have lost the battle for the American public. They are well aware that it takes 40 Republican seats being picked up in the House and Pelosi won't be the speaker any more. They also know that several Democratic Senators are suddenly vulnerable including Harry Reid himself. Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas is in trouble, Specter is sunk in Pennsylvania, experts have estimated the GOP could pick up anywhere between 2 and 6 seats. Not enough to swing the majority over, but enough to stop anything crazy Obama and the liberals want.

The country has spoken on this health care issue, and still the Democrats move forward against the will of the people. They know the cost's so they are attempting to call it something else, like attaching it to a tax bill to try to get the votes but using a budget trick in the Senate called reconciliation. The only thing the American people can do in the short term, is to make sure Harry Reid understands he will not come back next year. The GOP must target Reid with everything they have. Any Democratic leader who pushes this must not get re-elected no matter what happens. Members like Pelosi are generally seen as having a "safe" seat, Ok, she can't be speaker again come hell or high water, period. The American public needs to wake up and understand these liberals will try to get this done no matter what the citizens want. This is not the form of government in our constitution, this is government dictating to the people what they will get. Revolutions have begun over such things.

http://standbyliberty.blogspot.com/2009/10/reid-pelosi-obamas-secret-plan-to-pass.html

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2009, 09:41:19 am »
I got news for the globalist pigs...

you have no fuicking clue what it looks like when 305 million people refuse to cooperate with you.

You are going to find out if you spearhead this Cold Springs Harbor Eugenics piece of shit Nazi bill through.

New World Order is gonna die... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-TGtzZAXxc
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Oh how cute, Insurance Corps against deathcare so we should support it
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 10:57:58 am »
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE F-ING KIDDING?

the deathcare bill is anti-constitutional on every single page.

It is a complete joke.

It is 1,000x worse than the bullshit bailout bill. Just because the insurance companies are faking to be agianst it, youo think we are going to believe that Rothschild/Rockefeller did not mandate this eugenics legislation. Actuall since it is not legal, it is not legislation at all, it is simply another edict of tyranny.

THE DEATHCARE BILL EVEN IF APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY IS ILLEGAL...

IT HAS THE SAME LEGALITY AS IF THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO HAVE MOTHERS THROW THEIR BABIES OUT OF WINDOWS!

IT IS BULLSHIT AND IT IS BAD FOR YA!
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Senate passes health bill amidst damning report
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 05:50:10 pm »
The Senate financing board passed the health reform bill today 14-9 even with the details of the report showing that the reform increases the inflation of health coverage faster than if they did nothing altogether.

an excerpt:

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Key Findings
 Health reform could have a significant impact on the cost of private health insurance
coverage.

 There are four provisions included in the Senate Finance Committee proposal that could
increase private health insurance premiums above the levels projected under current law:

o Insurance market reforms coupled with a weak coverage requirement,

o A new tax on high-cost health care plans,

o Cost-shifting as a result of cuts to Medicare, and

o New taxes on several health care sectors.

 The overall impact of these provisions will be to increase the cost of private insurance
coverage for individuals, families, and businesses above what these costs would be in
the absence of reform.

 On average, the cost of private health insurance coverage will increase:

o 26 percent between 2009 and 2013 under the current system and by 40 percent
during this same period if these four provisions are implemented.

o 50 percent between 2009 and 2016 under the current system and by 73 percent
during this same period if these four provisions are implemented.

o 79 percent between 2009 and 2019 under the current system and by 111 percent
during this same period if these four provisions are implemented.

full findings of the report here:  http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_pwc2.html

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2009, 04:56:53 pm »
I know this is a terrible thing to ask, but aren't they just waiting for the highest bids to come in? After all, the Pharmas have billions to blow and they sure don't care about what is right or wrong. What's a few million used here and there when there are plenty of billions more to be made?

They just picked up another 20 billion on a govt produced and copyrighted H1N1 virus in 2007.
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2009, 05:34:46 pm »
If you've been listening to the media, you know the bad news.  Senators voted the Baucus version of the ObamaCare bill out the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday, and the legislation now moves to the Senate floor.

So what's the good news?  President Obama still doesn't have the 60 votes he needs to overcome a filibuster of his nationalized health care bill.

In brief, the Baucus bill which passed out of committee will hurt you in several ways:

* You will have less money for buying firearms and ammunition.  Hopefully, you have $25,900 that you don't know what to do with -- every year.  Because that's how much the Baucus bill is going to cost an average family of four to pay for a government-mandated ObamaCare policy every year. 

That's right ... $25,900 every year!  That will be your cost, according to a Price Waterhouse study of the Baucus legislation.  You will be required to purchase this ObamaCare policy and pay this amount under penalty of law under Baucus' bill. (Go to http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_pwc2.html to read the Price Waterhouse study.)

* Anti-gun medical database that can be used to deny your right to purchase firearms.  As GOA has warned for several months, the ObamaCare legislation will pump your medical information into the medical database that was created under the stimulus bill earlier this year. 

The federal government has already used medical diagnoses (such as PTSD) to deny more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns -- without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law.  So don't be surprised if socialized ObamaCare results in your medical information being used to infringe upon your Second Amendment rights.

* Discrimination against gun owners.  ObamaCare legislation in Congress will very likely empower anti-gun bureaucrats to deny medical reimbursements to individuals who engage in supposedly "dangerous" activities, like hunting or keeping loaded weapons for self-defense.  As GOA pointed out in an earlier alert, this type of discrimination against gun owners has already occurred in the homeowner insurance industry. (See documented examples of this at http://gunowners.org/op0231.htm on the GOA website.)

Bottom line:  Don't be surprised if an Obama-prescribed policy precludes reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense. 

Sleazy politics: it's worse than watching sausage-making

In order to get a somewhat positive financial analysis from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) kept the details of his health care rationing scheme secret.  He did this by providing the CBO an outline of the legislation, rather than providing real legislative language.

In fact, at the hour that the Senate Finance Committee was being forced to vote on the Baucus bill, the legislative language was still not available!  So the Senate Finance Committee voted on a bill that will take over one-sixth of the American economy without even seeing specific legislative language.

Otto von Bismarck, the first Chancellor of the German Empire, used to say that, "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." 

That's still true today.  In order to get this sleazy effort to the Senate floor without anyone knowing what is in the legislative language, the Senate leadership has developed a really contemptible scheme: 

* They will take a totally unrelated piece of legislation -- perhaps a bill that deals with AIG bonus legislation -- and then amend it with a thousand-page health bill that no one, to this date, has been able to read.

* The Republicans will filibuster this attempt to vote on "secret legislation" -- requiring the Democrats to muster 60 votes.  If Democrats are successful in doing so, many of them will be free to vote against the health care bill on final passage, since only 51 votes will be needed for the final passage vote.  These switch-hitting Democrats would then be free to tell their constituents that they "opposed" the anti-gun socialized medicine bill because they voted against it on "final passage" -- a nearly irrelevant vote that only requires the assent of 51 senators.

But make no mistake:  The REALLY IMPORTANT VOTE is the one that requires 60 votes.  That's the vote to end the filibuster (or "invoke cloture") on the motion to proceed to the secret bill.     

At this point, it is not clear that Obama has the 60 votes necessary to overcome a filibuster.  Already, one Democrat, Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, has announced he is opposed to the Baucus plan.

And Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa indicated recently that there may be one more Democrat who is leaning against the bill.

That's why it's IMPERATIVE that you contact both of your senators.  Don't think:  "Oh, my Senator is a Democrat and he's going to support the President."  We can't afford to think that way.  All we need to do is pick off one more Democrat Senator and this bill is dead!

At the same time, we need to make sure all the Republicans vote against this anti-gun monstrosity.  Even with liberal Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine defecting, it is still possible to win the war over this legislation.

ACTION:  Contact your two U.S. Senators.  Let them know of your disgust for the Baucus bill, and urge them to vote against cloture on the motion to proceed to a "secret" composite bill crafted behind closed doors. 

You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator:

This may come as a surprise to you.  But most Americans can't afford $25,900 a year to pay for health insurance under the sleazy bill passed out of the Senate Finance Committee. 

According to a Price Waterhouse study, by 2019, the cost of the average family's government-mandated Obama-drafted health insurance policy -- which I would be required to purchase under penalty of law -- would be $25,900 A YEAR.  This is a much bigger increase in premiums than if Congress did nothing.

Furthermore, the Congressional Budget Office agrees that premiums would climb faster under the Baucus bill than if Congress did nothing.

Incidentally, please do not try to tell me that the "fines" for not purchasing an ObamaPolicy have been reduced and that I can't be sent to prison.  This is largely a lie.

An ordinary family would pay $1,500 in fines when the bill fully kicks in.  And, while an amendment added by Senator Charles Schumer says you can't be sent to prison if you can't afford the policy, it does NOT say you can't be sent to prison if you can't afford the fine.

The next step will be a motion to proceed to a bill which would implement a government takeover of a sixth of the American economy -- and put the government in charge of making decisions over whether my family and me live or die.

That motion to proceed will be made at a point when there is no CBO score based on legislation -- and possibly no legislative language at all.

I would urge you, in the strongest terms, to vote against that motion to proceed -- particularly if there is not a final CBO score BASED ON LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE. 

Please do not vote wrong on this crucial cloture vote -- and then expect that you can trick me by voting "no" on a meaningless final passage vote which only requires 50 senators.

http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=14189761

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 05:43:28 pm »
Yet most people STILL believe in the system. It just can't be fixed. And it's a bad idea.
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2009, 08:04:28 am »
Is Anti_Illuminati a prophet?

NO! (well maybe)

HE JUST FRICKING READS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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US health care fight moves behind closed doors
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i-HZoSfGSp8l56ARnWnP2_kZ2icQ
(AFP) – 3 days ago

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's historic drive to remake US health care this year moved behind closed doors Wednesday as top lawmakers and the White House strove to merge rival bills before final votes.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was to host a 2:30 pm (1830 GMT) meeting, due to include Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, to reconcile versions approved by two Senate committees, Democratic officials said.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus and Senator Christopher Dodd, who shepherded a version of the legislation through the Senate's Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, were to attend as well, said a Reid aide.

The goal is to blend the versions approved by the two committees with an eye on bringing one unified bill to a vote in the coming weeks in the full Senate, which like the House is under the control of Obama's Democratic allies.

In the House, the chairmen of the three key committees with jurisdiction over health care said on Tuesday that they were close to merging their versions of the legislation, which is expected to differ from the Senate's final plan.

If the House and Senate approve different bills, as seems likely, they would have to thrash out a compromise version and vote again to send the legislation to Obama's desk to be signed into law.

Strong opposition remains: The powerful health insurance lobby reportedly planned a television advertising blitz against the plan, while Republicans expressed frustration about being cut out of the talks.

Lawmakers of both parties unhappy with the bills also planned to try to amend the compromise versions when they reach the full House and Senate.

Democratic unity was far from guaranteed, amid intra-party feuds over how to pay for the massive overhaul and whether to include a government-backed insurance plan popularly known as a "public option."

Key senators and Democratic House leaders have said they want the final legislation to include a public option, while swing-vote lawmakers have balked amid growing public unease about government spending.

"Now's not the time to pat ourselves on the back. Now's not the time to offer ourselves congratulations. Now's the time to dig in and work even harder to get this done," Obama said Tuesday.
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2009, 05:00:41 pm »
It baffles me that this is how american (and canadian to an extent) politics takes place.

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2009, 11:51:45 pm »
JAY ROCKEFELLER SNAKE IS POISED TO STRIKE

THIS BILL IS SO FULL OF INSANITY IT IS BEYOND BELIEF!

Dunno, when it comes to tyranny and Government - I can believe quite a bit anymore - sadly.

I hope they will be proud that they will be remembered as those who attempted to tear down the greatest system of government in the world - one ran by the people.

If all government's in the world were *really* run by the people - this world would be a much, much different place.

But instead, they have been usurped by greedy, narcissistic, know-it-all tyrants.
Just like - well; about every other time in History.

'Tis why I really don't have any faith in Humanity anymore, it's not warranted.
And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 01:35:28 pm »
Wow...found this document in my search for something else...let me know if this is something that is credible...it sure seems like it.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11395836/New-World-Order-Social-Engineering
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2009, 04:05:59 pm »
lavosslayer--this link you provided is interesting.  Seems there is no way to copy it. 

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2009, 04:34:36 pm »
lavosslayer--this link you provided is interesting.  Seems there is no way to copy it. 

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2009, 04:58:29 pm »
wow! thanks.... :)

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2009, 05:15:39 pm »
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE F-ING KIDDING?

the deathcare bill is anti-constitutional on every single page.

It is a complete joke.

It is 1,000x worse than the bullshit bailout bill. Just because the insurance companies are faking to be agianst it, youo think we are going to believe that Rothschild/Rockefeller did not mandate this eugenics legislation. Actuall since it is not legal, it is not legislation at all, it is simply another edict of tyranny.

THE DEATHCARE BILL EVEN IF APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY IS ILLEGAL...

IT HAS THE SAME LEGALITY AS IF THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO HAVE MOTHERS THROW THEIR BABIES OUT OF WINDOWS!

IT IS BULLSHIT AND IT IS BAD FOR YA!

Obama healthcare bill ,  sounds almost as bad as the Patriot acts 1,2 when they were signed into law .

The patriot acts gave  unrestricted  gestapo powers to the US Government.
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2009, 06:02:29 pm »
The healthcare Bill when passed  , I will guess that within 90 days  the Revolution  will begin as Americans do not like to be forced  to buy something they don't want. Go ahead Back 300 Million Americans into a corner and see what happens when they  retaliate.

I will not obey as I find the Healthcare Bill a intrusion upon my freedom of choice , liberty and pursuit of happiness.
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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2009, 06:11:43 pm »
The healthcare Bill when passed  , I will guess that within 90 days  the Revolution  will begin as Americans do not like to be forced  to buy something they don't want. Go ahead Back 300 Million Americans into a corner and see what happens when they  retaliate.

I will not obey as I find the Healthcare Bill a intrusion upon my freedom of choice , liberty and pursuit of happiness.

There may not be 300 million to fight back.  There may be only 200 million or less of the total population in the U.S., and it is highly probably that a substantial number of those will have no electricity, and no ability to telecommunicate via any means, due to their years of preparation with carrying out drills for cyber attacks on "critical infrastructure" that they will stage themselves if from no other reason that just having their own RED TEAMS go live that work for MITRE, Booz Allen, SAIC, NSA, AFRL, AFCC, Northcom, DHS, NRO, et.al.  It's pretty damned hard to "fight back" when you can't see, and you're worried about food spoiling in your freezer, refrigerator from the countless number of people who will have no storable, non-perishable food.  They can also hit the water supplies, and the banks, preventing people from withdrawing funds (outright account liquidation/theft/ID fraud, etc).

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I am working on non perisha le food but I don't make much.

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2009, 08:37:10 pm »
There may not be 300 million to fight back.  There may be only 200 million or less of the total population in the U.S., and it is highly probably that a substantial number of those will have no electricity, and no ability to telecommunicate via any means, due to their years of preparation with carrying out drills for cyber attacks on "critical infrastructure" that they will stage themselves if from no other reason that just having their own RED TEAMS go live that work for MITRE, Booz Allen, SAIC, NSA, AFRL, AFCC, Northcom, DHS, NRO, et.al.  It's pretty damned hard to "fight back" when you can't see, and you're worried about food spoiling in your freezer, refrigerator from the countless number of people who will have no storable, non-perishable food.  They can also hit the water supplies, and the banks, preventing people from withdrawing funds (outright account liquidation/theft/ID fraud, etc).

So you think Lindsey WIlliams will be right after all? That is pretty scary. I read this article and it scares the bejesus out of me, my loved ones, one special girl, and Humanity. Crap....
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2009, 09:01:56 pm »
So you think Lindsey WIlliams will be right after all? That is pretty scary. I read this article and it scares the bejesus out of me, my loved ones, one special girl, and Humanity. Crap....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=128502.msg789970#msg789970
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=91231.msg612305#msg612305
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=91231.msg612516#msg612516
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-the-National-Academy-of-Sciences-Annual-Meeting/

THE BRIEFING ROOM
 

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
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For Immediate Release                         April 27, 2009

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
AT THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES ANNUAL MEETING


National Academy of Sciences
Washington, D.C.


9:12 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, thank you so much for the wonderful welcome.  To President Cicerone, thank you very much for your leadership and for hosting us today.  To John Holdren, thanks, John, for the outstanding work that you are doing.

I was just informed backstage that Ralph and John both are 1965 graduates of MIT -- same class.  And so I'm not sure this is the perfectly prescribed scientific method, but they're sort of a control group -- (laughter) -- who ages faster:  The President's Science Advisor or the President of the Academy?  (Laughter.)  And we'll check in in a couple of years.  But it is wonderful to see them.

To all of you, to my Cabinet Secretaries and team who are here, thank you.  It is a great privilege to address the distinguished members of the National Academy of Sciences, as well as the leaders of the National Academy of Engineering and the Institute of Medicine who've gathered here this morning.

And I'd like to begin today with a story of a previous visitor who also addressed this august body.  In April of 1921, Albert Einstein visited the United States for the first time.  And his international credibility was growing as scientists around the world began to understand and accept the vast implications of his theories of special and general relativity.  And he attended this annual meeting, and after sitting through a series of long speeches by others, he reportedly said, "I have just got a new theory of eternity."  (Laughter.)  So I will do my best to heed this cautionary tale.  (Laughter.)

The very founding of this institution stands as a testament to the restless curiosity, the boundless hope so essential not just to the scientific enterprise, but to this experiment we call America.

A few months after a devastating defeat at Fredericksburg, before Gettysburg would be won, before Richmond would fall, before the fate of the Union would be at all certain, President Abraham Lincoln signed into law an act creating the National Academy of Sciences -- in the midst of civil war.

Lincoln refused to accept that our nation's sole purpose was mere survival.  He created this academy, founded the land grant colleges, and began the work of the transcontinental railroad, believing that we must add -- and I quote -- "the fuel of interest to the fire of genius in the discovery... of new and useful things."

This is America's story.  Even in the hardest times, against the toughest odds, we've never given in to pessimism; we've never surrendered our fates to chance; we have endured; we have worked hard; we sought out new frontiers.

Today, of course, we face more complex challenges than we have ever faced before:  a medical system that holds the promise of unlocking new cures and treatments -- attached to a health care system that holds the potential for bankruptcy to families and businesses; a system of energy that powers our economy, but simultaneously endangers our planet; threats to our security that seek to exploit the very interconnectedness and openness so essential to our prosperity; and challenges in a global marketplace which links the derivative trader on Wall Street to the homeowner on Main Street, the office worker in America to the factory worker in China -- a marketplace in which we all share in opportunity, but also in crisis.

At such a difficult moment, there are those who say we cannot afford to invest in science, that support for research is somehow a luxury at moments defined by necessities.  I fundamentally disagree.  Science is more essential for our prosperity, our security, our health, our environment, and our quality of life than it has ever been before.  (Applause.)

And if there was ever a day that reminded us of our shared stake in science and research, it's today.  We are closely monitoring the emerging cases of swine flu in the United States. And this is obviously a cause for concern and requires a heightened state of alert.  But it's not a cause for alarm.  The Department of Health and Human Services has declared a public health emergency as a precautionary tool to ensure that we have the resources we need at our disposal to respond quickly and effectively.  And I'm getting regular updates on the situation from the responsible agencies.  And the Department of Health and Human Services as well as the Centers for Disease Control will be offering regular updates to the American people.  And Secretary Napolitano will be offering regular updates to the American people, as well, so that they know what steps are being taken and what steps they may need to take.

But one thing is clear -- our capacity to deal with a public health challenge of this sort rests heavily on the work of our scientific and medical community.  And this is one more example of why we can't allow our nation to fall behind.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what's happened.


Federal funding in the physical sciences as a portion of our gross domestic product has fallen by nearly half over the past quarter century.  Time and again we've allowed the research and experimentation tax credit, which helps businesses grow and innovate, to lapse.

Our schools continue to trail other developed countries and, in some cases, developing countries.  Our students are outperformed in math and science by their peers in Singapore, Japan, England, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, and Korea, among others.  Another assessment shows American 15-year-olds ranked 25th in math and 21st in science when compared to nations around the world.  And we have watched as scientific integrity has been undermined and scientific research politicized in an effort to advance predetermined ideological agendas.

We know that our country is better than this.  A half century ago, this nation made a commitment to lead the world in scientific and technological innovation; to invest in education, in research, in engineering; to set a goal of reaching space and engaging every citizen in that historic mission.  That was the high water mark of America's investment in research and development.  And since then our investments have steadily declined as a share of our national income.  As a result, other countries are now beginning to pull ahead in the pursuit of this generation's great discoveries. 

I believe it is not in our character, the American character, to follow.  It's our character to lead.  And it is time for us to lead once again.  So I'm here today to set this goal:  We will devote more than 3 percent of our GDP to research and development.  We will not just meet, but we will exceed the level achieved at the height of the space race, through policies that invest in basic and applied research, create new incentives for private innovation, promote breakthroughs in energy and medicine, and improve education in math and science.  (Applause.)

This represents the largest commitment to scientific research and innovation in American history.

Just think what this will allow us to accomplish:  solar cells as cheap as paint; green buildings that produce all the energy they consume; learning software as effective as a personal tutor; prosthetics so advanced that you could play the piano again; an expansion of the frontiers of human knowledge about ourselves and world the around us.  We can do this.

The pursuit of discovery half a century ago fueled our prosperity and our success as a nation in the half century that followed.  The commitment I am making today will fuel our success for another 50 years.  That's how we will ensure that our children and their children will look back on this generation's work as that which defined the progress and delivered the prosperity of the 21st century.

This work begins with a historic commitment to basic science and applied research, from the labs of renowned universities to the proving grounds of innovative companies.

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, and with the support of Congress, my administration is already providing the largest single boost to investment in basic research in American history.  That's already happened.

This is important right now, as public and private colleges and universities across the country reckon with shrinking endowments and tightening budgets.  But this is also incredibly important for our future.  As Vannevar Bush, who served as scientific advisor to President Franklin Roosevelt, famously said:  "Basic scientific research is scientific capital."

The fact is an investigation into a particular physical, chemical, or biological process might not pay off for a year, or a decade, or at all.  And when it does, the rewards are often broadly shared, enjoyed by those who bore its costs but also by those who did not.

And that's why the private sector generally under-invests in basic science, and why the public sector must invest in this kind of research -- because while the risks may be large, so are the rewards for our economy and our society.

No one can predict what new applications will be born of basic research:  new treatments in our hospitals, or new sources of efficient energy; new building materials; new kinds of crops more resistant to heat and to drought.

It was basic research in the photoelectric field -- in the photoelectric effect that would one day lead to solar panels.  It was basic research in physics that would eventually produce the CAT scan.  The calculations of today's GPS satellites are based on the equations that Einstein put to paper more than a century ago.

In addition to the investments in the Recovery Act, the budget I've proposed -- and versions have now passed both the House and the Senate -- builds on the historic investments in research contained in the recovery plan.

So we double the budget of key agencies, including the National Science Foundation, a primary source of funding for academic research; and the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which supports a wide range of pursuits from improving health information technology to measuring carbon pollution, from -- from testing "smart grid" designs to developing advanced manufacturing processes.

And my budget doubles funding for the Department of Energy's Office of Science, which builds and operates accelerators, colliders, supercomputers, high-energy light sources, and facilities for making nano-materials -- because we know that a nation's potential for scientific discovery is defined by the tools that it makes available to its researchers.

But the renewed commitment of our nation will not be driven by government investment alone.  It's a commitment that extends from the laboratory to the marketplace.  And that's why my budget makes the research and experimentation tax credit permanent.  This is a tax credit that returns two dollars to the economy for every dollar we spend, by helping companies afford the often high costs of developing new ideas, new technologies, and new products.  Yet at times we've allowed it to lapse or only renewed it year to year.  I've heard this time and again from entrepreneurs across this country:  By making this credit permanent we make it possible for businesses to plan the kinds of projects that create jobs and economic growth.

Second, in no area will innovation be more important than in the development of new technologies to produce, use, and save energy -- which is why my administration has made an unprecedented commitment to developing a 21st century clean energy economy, and why we put a scientist in charge of the Department of Energy.  (Applause.)

Our future on this planet depends on our willingness to address the challenge posed by carbon pollution.  And our future as a nation depends upon our willingness to embrace this challenge as an opportunity to lead the world in pursuit of new discovery.

When the Soviet Union launched Sputnik a little more than a half century ago, Americans were stunned.  The Russians had beaten us to space.  And we had to make a choice:  We could accept defeat or we could accept the challenge.  And as always, we chose to accept the challenge.

President Eisenhower signed legislation to create NASA and to invest in science and math education, from grade school to graduate school.  And just a few years later, a month after his address to the 1961 Annual Meeting of the National Academy of Sciences, President Kennedy boldly declared before a joint session of Congress that the United States would send a man to the moon and return him safely to the Earth.

The scientific community rallied behind this goal and set about achieving it.  And it would not only lead to those first steps on the moon; it would lead to giant leaps in our understanding here at home.  That Apollo program produced technologies that have improved kidney dialysis and water purification systems; sensors to test for hazardous gasses; energy-saving building materials; fire-resistant fabrics used by firefighters and soldiers.  More broadly, the enormous investment in that era –- in science and technology, in education and research funding –- produced a great outpouring of curiosity and creativity, the benefits of which have been incalculable.  There are those of you in this audience who became scientists because of that commitment.  We have to replicate that.

There will be no single Sputnik moment for this generation's challenges to break our dependence on fossil fuels.  In many ways, this makes the challenge even tougher to solve –- and makes it all the more important to keep our eyes fixed on the work ahead.

But energy is our great project, this generation's great project.  And that's why I've set a goal for our nation that we will reduce our carbon pollution by more than 80 percent by 2050. And that is why -- (applause) -- and that is why I'm pursuing, in concert with Congress, the policies that will help meet us -- help us meet this goal.

My recovery plan provides the incentives to double our nation's capacity to generate renewable energy over the next few years -- extending the production tax credit, providing loan guarantees and offering grants to spur investment.  Just take one example:  Federally funded research and development has dropped the cost of solar panels by tenfold over the last three decades. Our renewed efforts will ensure that solar and other clean energy technologies will be competitive.

My budget includes $150 billion over 10 years to invest in sources of renewable energy as well as energy efficiency.  It supports efforts at NASA, recommended as a priority by the National Research Council, to develop new space-based capabilities to help us better understand our changing climate.

And today, I'm also announcing that for the first time, we are funding an initiative -- recommended by this organization -- called the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Energy, or ARPA-E.  (Applause.)

This is based, not surprisingly, on DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which was created during the Eisenhower administration in response to Sputnik.  It has been charged throughout its history with conducting high-risk, high-reward research.  And the precursor to the Internet, known as ARPANET, stealth technology, the Global Positioning System all owe a debt to the work of DARPA.

So ARPA-E seeks to do the same kind of high-risk, high-reward research.  My administration will pursue, as well, comprehensive legislation to place a market-based cap on carbon emissions.  We will make renewable energy the profitable kind of energy.  We will put in place the resources so that scientists can focus on this critical area.  And I am confident that we will find a wellspring of creativity just waiting to be tapped by researchers in this room and entrepreneurs across our country.  We can solve this problem.  (Applause.)

Now, the nation that leads the world in 21st century clean energy will be the nation that leads in the 21st century global economy.  I believe America can and must be that nation.  But in order to lead in the global economy and to ensure that our businesses can grow and innovate, and our families can thrive, we're also going to have to address the shortcomings of our health care system.

The Recovery Act will support the long overdue step of computerizing America's medical records, to reduce the duplication, waste and errors that cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

But it's important to note, these records also hold the potential of offering patients the chance to be more active participants in the prevention and treatment of their diseases.  We must maintain patient control over these records and respect their privacy.  At the same time, we have the opportunity to offer billions and billions of anonymous data points to medical researchers who may find in this information evidence that can help us better understand disease.

History also teaches us the greatest advances in medicine have come from scientific breakthroughs, whether the discovery of antibiotics, or improved public health practices, vaccines for smallpox and polio and many other infectious diseases, antiretroviral drugs that can return AIDS patients to productive lives, pills that can control certain types of blood cancers, so many others.

Because of recent progress –- not just in biology, genetics and medicine, but also in physics, chemistry, computer science, and engineering –- we have the potential to make enormous progress against diseases in the coming decades.  And that's why my administration is committed to increasing funding for the National Institutes of Health, including $6 billion to support cancer research -- part of a sustained, multi-year plan to double cancer research in our country.  (Applause.)

Next, we are restoring science to its rightful place.  On March 9th, I signed an executive memorandum with a clear message: Under my administration, the days of science taking a back seat to ideology are over.  (Applause.)  Our progress as a nation –- and our values as a nation –- are rooted in free and open inquiry.  To undermine scientific integrity is to undermine our democracy.  It is contrary to our way of life.  (Applause.)

That's why I've charged John Holdren and the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy with leading a new effort to ensure that federal policies are based on the best and most unbiased scientific information.  I want to be sure that facts are driving scientific decisions -- and not the other way around. (Laughter.)

As part of this effort, we've already launched a web site that allows individuals to not only make recommendations to achieve this goal, but to collaborate on those recommendations.  It's a small step, but one that's creating a more transparent, participatory and democratic government.

We also need to engage the scientific community directly in the work of public policy.  And that's why, today, I am announcing the appointment -- we are filling out the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, known as PCAST, and I intend to work with them closely.  Our co-chairs have already been introduced -- Dr. Varmus and Dr. Lander along with John.  And this council represents leaders from many scientific disciplines who will bring a diversity of experiences and views. And I will charge PCAST with advising me about national strategies to nurture and sustain a culture of scientific innovation.

In addition to John -- sorry, the -- I just noticed that I jumped the gun here -- go ahead and move it up.  (Laughter.)  I'd already -- I'd already introduced all you guys.

In biomedicine, just to give you an example of what PCAST can do, we can harness the historic convergence between life sciences and physical sciences that's underway today; undertaking public projects -- in the spirit of the Human Genome Project -- to create data and capabilities that fuel discoveries in tens of thousands of laboratories; and identifying and overcoming scientific and bureaucratic barriers to rapidly translating scientific breakthroughs into diagnostics and therapeutics that serve patients.

In environmental science, it will require strengthening our weather forecasting, our Earth observation from space, the management of our nation's land, water and forests, and the stewardship of our coastal zones and ocean fisheries.

We also need to work with our friends around the world. Science, technology and innovation proceed more rapidly and more cost-effectively when insights, costs and risks are shared; and so many of the challenges that science and technology will help us meet are global in character.  This is true of our dependence on oil, the consequences of climate change, the threat of epidemic disease, and the spread of nuclear weapons.

And that's why my administration is ramping up participation in -- and our commitment to -- international science and technology cooperation across the many areas where it is clearly in our interest to do so.  In fact, this week, my administration is gathering the leaders of the world's major economies to begin the work of addressing our common energy challenges together.

Fifth, since we know that the progress and prosperity of future generations will depend on what we do now to educate the next generation, today I'm announcing a renewed commitment to education in mathematics and science.  (Applause.)  This is something I care deeply about.  Through this commitment, American students will move from the middle of the top -- from the middle to the top of the pack in science and math over the next decade  -- for we know that the nation that out-educates us today will out-compete us tomorrow.  And I don't intend to have us out-educated.

We can't start soon enough.  We know that the quality of math and science teachers is the most influential single factor in determining whether a student will succeed or fail in these subjects.  Yet in high school more than 20 percent of students in math and more than 60 percent of students in chemistry and physics are taught by teachers without expertise in these fields. And this problem is only going to get worse.  There is a projected shortfall of more than 280,000 math and science teachers across the country by 2015.

And that's why I'm announcing today that states making strong commitments and progress in math and science education will be eligible to compete later this fall for additional funds under the Secretary of Education's $5 billion Race to the Top program.

And I'm challenging states to dramatically improve achievement in math and science by raising standards, modernizing science labs, upgrading curriculum, and forging partnerships to improve the use of science and technology in our classrooms.  (Applause.)  I'm challenging states, as well, to enhance teacher preparation and training, and to attract new and qualified math and science teachers to better engage students and reinvigorate those subjects in our schools.

And in this endeavor, we will work to support inventive approaches.  Let's create systems that retain and reward effective teachers, and let's create new pathways for experienced professionals to go into the classroom.  There are, right now, chemists who could teach chemistry, physicists who could teach physics, statisticians who could teach mathematics.  But we need to create a way to bring the expertise and the enthusiasm of these folks –- folks like you –- into the classroom.

There are states, for example, doing innovative work.  I'm pleased to announce that Governor Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania will lead an effort with the National Governors Association to increase the number of states that are making science, technology, engineering and mathematics education a top priority. Six states are currently participating in the initiative, including Pennsylvania, which has launched an effective program to ensure that the state has the skilled workforce in place to draw the jobs of the 21st century.  And I want every state, all 50 states, to participate.

But as you know, our work does not end with a high school diploma.  For decades, we led the world in educational attainment, and as a consequence we led the world in economic growth.  The G.I. Bill, for example, helps send a generation to college.  But in this new economy, we've come to trail other nations in graduation rates, in educational achievement, and in the production of scientists and engineers.

That's why my administration has set a goal that will greatly enhance our ability to compete for the high-wage, high-tech jobs of the future –- and to foster the next generation of scientists and engineers.  In the next decade –- by 2020 –- America will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world.  That is a goal that we are going to set. And we've provided tax credits and grants to make a college education more affordable.

My budget also triples the number of National Science Foundation graduate research fellowships.  (Applause.)  This program was created as part of the space race five decades ago. In the decades since, it's remained largely the same size –- even as the numbers of students who seek these fellowships has skyrocketed.  We ought to be supporting these young people who are pursuing scientific careers, not putting obstacles in their path.

So this is how we will lead the world in new discoveries in this new century.  But I think all of you understand it will take far more than the work of government.  It will take all of us.  It will take all of you.  And so today I want to challenge you to use your love and knowledge of science to spark the same sense of wonder and excitement in a new generation.

America's young people will rise to the challenge if given the opportunity –- if called upon to join a cause larger than themselves.  We've got evidence.  You know, the average age in NASA's mission control during the Apollo 17 mission was just 26. I know that young people today are just as ready to tackle the grand challenges of this century.

So I want to persuade you to spend time in the classroom, talking and showing young people what it is that your work can mean, and what it means to you.  I want to encourage you to participate in programs to allow students to get a degree in science fields and a teaching certificate at the same time.  I want us all to think about new and creative ways to engage young people in science and engineering, whether it's science festivals, robotics competitions, fairs that encourage young people to create and build and invent -- to be makers of things, not just consumers of things.

I want you to know that I'm going to be working alongside you.  I'm going to participate in a public awareness and outreach campaign to encourage students to consider careers in science and mathematics and engineering -- because our future depends on it.

And the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation will be launching a joint initiative to inspire tens of thousands of American students to pursue these very same careers, particularly in clean energy.

It will support an educational campaign to capture the imagination of young people who can help us meet the energy challenge, and will create research opportunities for undergraduates and educational opportunities for women and minorities who too often have been underrepresented in scientific and technological fields, but are no less capable of inventing the solutions that will help us grow our economy and save our planet.  (Applause.)

And it will support fellowships and interdisciplinary graduate programs and partnerships between academic institutions and innovative companies to prepare a generation of Americans to meet this generational challenge.

For we must always remember that somewhere in America there's an entrepreneur seeking a loan to start a business that could transform an industry -- but she hasn't secured it yet.  There's a researcher with an idea for an experiment that might offer a new cancer treatment -– but he hasn't found the funding yet.  There's a child with an inquisitive mind staring up at the night sky.  And maybe she has the potential to change our world  –- but she doesn't know it yet.

As you know, scientific discovery takes far more than the occasional flash of brilliance –- as important as that can be. Usually, it takes time and hard work and patience; it takes training; it requires the support of a nation.  But it holds a promise like no other area of human endeavor.

In 1968, a year defined by loss and conflict and tumult, Apollo 8 carried into space the first human beings ever to slip beyond Earth's gravity, and the ship would circle the moon 10 times before returning home.  But on its fourth orbit, the capsule rotated and for the first time Earth became visible through the windows.

Bill Anders, one of the astronauts aboard Apollo 8, scrambled for a camera, and he took a photo that showed the Earth coming up over the moon's horizon.  It was the first ever taken from so distant a vantage point, and it soon became known as "Earthrise."

Anders would say that the moment forever changed him, to see our world -- this pale blue sphere -- without borders, without divisions, at once so tranquil and beautiful and alone.

"We came all this way to explore the moon," he said, "and the most important thing is that we discovered the Earth."

Yes, scientific innovation offers us a chance to achieve prosperity.  It has offered us benefits that have improved our health and our lives -- improvements we take too easily for granted.  But it gives us something more.  At root, science forces us to reckon with the truth as best as we can ascertain it.

And some truths fill us with awe.  Others force us to question long-held views.  Science can't answer every question, and indeed, it seems at times the more we plumb the mysteries of the physical world, the more humble we must be.  Science cannot supplant our ethics or our values, our principles or our faith.  But science can inform those things and help put those values -- these moral sentiments, that faith -- can put those things to work -- to feed a child, or to heal the sick, to be good stewards of this Earth.

We are reminded that with each new discovery and the new power it brings comes new responsibility; that the fragility, the sheer specialness of life requires us to move past our differences and to address our common problems, to endure and continue humanity's strivings for a better world.

As President Kennedy said when he addressed the National Academy of Sciences more than 45 years ago:  "The challenge, in short, may be our salvation."

Thank you all for all your past, present, and future discoveries.  (Applause.)  May God bless you.  God bless the United States of America.  (Applause.)

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2009, 09:13:04 pm »
The healthcare Bill when passed, I will guess that within 90 days the Revolution will begin as Americans do not like to be forced to buy something they don't want.

Yeah but what about all of the social programs they're currently forced to pay into? Do Americans want them?
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2009, 10:42:56 pm »
I would rather pay the fine than pay for health insurance...I am way under the poverty line. I have tried several times to get health insurance but when I try I find that it's more than my paycheck so I can never get it.

God Help us!

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2009, 11:02:49 pm »
It baffles me that this is how american (and canadian to an extent) politics takes place.

It's not suppose to take place this way.  Open government is meant to be done behind open doors.  This is elitist government, not democracy.

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2009, 11:58:28 pm »
I would rather pay the fine than pay for health insurance...I am way under the poverty line. I have tried several times to get health insurance but when I try I find that it's more than my paycheck so I can never get it.

God Help us!

It sucks to be in your situation but never forget that the government itself is corrupt to the core, so you certaintly can't nor shouldn't look to them for help. What really works is a free people. When you're not "run" by someone, you have an amazing amount of free time, money and you tend to have a spirit of charity and cooperation. Makes for a pretty cool world! Unfortuantely, the statists have poisoned the world with propaganda saying that people just can't be trusted - so we need to control them, along with the fisheries, wetlands, borders, education, the money supply, indigenous people, and basically everything else.

OMG WE'RE ALREADY COMMIES!!! :o (actually slave drones is probably a better word)

And today they rip us off with every breath we take. (literally with the carbon footprint crap)

So what is freedom? Here's a great little eight minute video on the Principles of Liberty... You own You!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1buym2xUM

PS - I hope things improve for you
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2009, 01:51:37 pm »
Thanks freeski. I have looked at things like food stamps but its BS. I only qualify for $21 a month. Thats not even a day!!! I'm starting to see what you guys mean by our f'ing gov is corrupt.

Stupid government....

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2009, 04:26:19 pm »
Thanks freeski. I have looked at things like food stamps but its BS. I only qualify for $21 a month. Thats not even a day!!! I'm starting to see what you guys mean by our f'ing gov is corrupt.

Stupid government....

Yeah, I've been in all those spots too Rini.

Unemployed - compliments of the US Government for a while - I "made too much" for food stamps - well, I qualified for like $25.00 a month.

Then I got a contract job - needed insurance - heck, just for my kids would have been fine, but I made $1200 a year too much for any health insurance.

If I would have just quit my job, I could have gotten it - I suspect. But I'm persistent and I'll never trust the Government to 'take care of me'. That's not in the best interests of our country, myself, or society.

Hang in there, and be persistent - don't be too shy of taking some risk and try to get some kind of education - certifications; whatever - might be a lot you can do without going to school even.

I went through a LOT of jobs, put myself in some bad positions because I wouldn't just 'accept' some half-rate job for half my life; ate at the soup kitchen (it's not half bad); got clothes from the free-store... Check into stuff - like church based/community based missions and services. There's a lot out there, more than I think they want you to notice. Afterall; if your neighbors or churches are helping - it's that much less you need to depend on the Government for. Once you even go to the soup kitchen; you can talk with others who can point you to other places as well - lot of them 'know the streets' and can survive without a dime of government money. Best thing about it, is that you don't have to dress up for dinner - kinda do the opposite, hehe.

I mean - a lot of these politicians talk about 'helping the poor' - helping them do what? Become more dependent on them?

I was living in the 'projects' as a white guy with a family when I went to college, at that point; I did just quit.. paid $25.00 a month rent and qualified for a decent amount of assistance - but it got me through enough college to land a life changing job. Still had some rough times after; still do now - but you gotta take baby steps before you can walk, jog, or run.

It's a frame of mind too - everyone's situation was different - at my worst point; in the projects, I had a 5 year old son and a 1 year old daughter. It was rough.. in some ways. But to be honest; I never really had issues with the 'locals' - after they got to know me some, they warmed up a lot. But different areas... can be quite different..
And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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Re: Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2009, 05:28:42 pm »
Heh his healthcare plan sucks. And overcast do u want to talk in pm since this is kinda off subject??