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~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« on: June 26, 2009, 11:55:09 pm »
http://www.examiner.com/x-9462-LA-Ron-Paul-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Talk-show-host-can-be-prosecuted-as-accomplices-under-new-senate-hate-bill


The Hate Crimes Prevention Act HR 1966 which has passed the Congress by overwhelming margins is now facing hearings in the Senate. There are already similar hate crime laws in place, however, this bill imposes much stronger federal enforcement, which is a clear violation of the Tenth Amendment. It grants greater power to federal prosecutors to prosecute hate crime laws by prosecuting those who have been found innocent by local or state courts. The current bill will extend special privileges to gays and transgender individuals that are currently only granted to ethnic and religious minorities. The most dangerous part of the Bill which is a direct assault against the First Amendment is that it allows for the prosecution as accomplices in a hate crime for talk show pundits that the person who commits the alleged crime claims to influence their actions.

Here is the essential text:

    Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce [radio, TV, internet] any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. (HR 1966, SEC 3, Sec. 881a)

Reverend Ted Pike of the National Prayer Network says that "this means that if any pastor, talk show host or guest, or anyone communicating on radio or the internet is repeatedly “hostile” to the practice of homosexuality and “intends” to cause “substantial emotional distress” in homosexuals, leading to repentance, he is guilty. The speaker doesn’t even have to succeed in causing such conviction for sin, even though he will be especially guilty if he does. In either case, the federal government is empowered under this bill to invade any state to prosecute the “bully” of the airwaves."

This Bill is the first major step to stripping away our rights to freedom of speech in the 1st amendment. Recently the Plains State ADL Director denounced the 1st Amendment by saying that "freedom of speech does not extend to racist groups, nor give their supporters the right to threaten and intimidate others or commit acts of violence."In many western nations, an individual can be prosecuted by the government for certain speech.

Though we still have the First Amendment we are headed in that direction of Europe and Canada where people can be prosecuted for thought crimes. Organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League have aggressively promoted hate crime legislation. These organizations have endorsed Europe and Canada's policies on prosecuting what they deem as hate speech. The ADL openly advocates for their model anti-hate law.  In 1988 the ADL gave out an award to law student Joseph Ribikoff for writing a proposed hate crime bill that would criminalize hate speech against gays and minorities.

At the Senate hearing the ADL Washington counsel Michael Lieberman spoke in support of the Hate Crimes Bill. "We have no illusions about this legislation," Lieberman testified. "We know that bigotry, racism, homophobia, and anti-Semitism cannot be legislated out of existence. A new federal law that finally addresses all victims of hate crimes will not eliminate them."
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
— John Lennon (1969)
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Offline unitedstrokesofamerica

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Re: ~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 11:59:12 pm »
SOoooo let me get this right. Some random nut job goes into a Fed reserve office and kills someone and then says I listen to alex jones, Alex will be arrested for murder. OMG this is just nuts.
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
— John Lennon (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEej1feA9N8

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Re: ~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2009, 12:20:51 am »
SOoooo let me get this right. Some random nut job goes into a Fed reserve office and kills someone and then says I listen to alex jones, Alex will be arrested for murder. OMG this is just nuts.

It's not a matter of what the "random nut job" says, it's a matter of whether or not it can be shown that AJ, or any other talk show host or blogger that the nut job listened to, made statements that could be seen as inciting murder or physical violence. It is already illegal to encourage someone to commit a crime. The problem with this bill is that it's hard to say when someone has crossed the line and gone from expressing himself/herself in a reasonable manner and when that person has unfairly attacked another person. It is already illegal to slander someone, but this piece of legislation seems to carve out another type of expression that will be very difficult to define in a consistent manner. It will probably result in some very long and protracted legal battles if it becomes law!

But here's an example of what I think it's trying to do. Let's say a pastor says, "Homosexuals are evil and they deserve to burn in hell. In the old days homosexuals were banished and no godly person would associate with them." That's just a tiny bit short of recommending that homosexuals be killed and that people should discriminate against them. On the other hand, if the pastor says, "According to my understanding of Holy Scriptures, God frowns upon homosexuals, but it is not up to you and me to judge them since the Lord commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves," then the pastor has stayed well clear of anything that could be interpreted as hate speech. I think the bill is intended to encourage people to express themselves in a responsible manner. I think we would all agree that it's best not to try to force people through legal means to behave in a decent manner. Rather, we all have to be patient with those who have not yet fully evolved!  ;)

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Re: ~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2009, 01:25:03 am »
this is find very very troubling. It seems like all their plans are comming together all at once. Full spectrum dominance.....
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
— John Lennon (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEej1feA9N8

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Re: ~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2009, 09:57:42 am »
Who wants you to be silent about their criminal operations? Zionists from ADL that's who.

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Re: ~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2009, 10:27:16 am »
you can't be accountable if they can't figure out who you are.

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Re: ~~~Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill~~~
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2009, 02:17:26 am »
Yet another speech control that will be abused to include anything