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Offline AHAD_THE_ONE

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Flouride in Water advice?
« on: June 23, 2009, 05:28:35 pm »
Alex says theres flouride in tap water. Im from UK and dont want to drink flouride.

I dont want to buy water as i am kind of low of cash at the moment and i like to know how do you get rid of the flouride from tap water?

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 05:30:57 pm »
Where abouts in the Uk are you?

It's not added in most places over here, there is some naturally occuring but none is added and levels are monitored...
Check your local waterboards website, it'll tell you the maximum level they permit...
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 05:40:38 pm »
Where abouts in the Uk are you?

It's not added in most places over here, there is some naturally occuring but none is added and levels are monitored...
Check your local waterboards website, it'll tell you the maximum level they permit...

im from birmingham. so is there flouride in birmingham tap water?

whats the website? what dosage in ml of flouride is needed for it to be harmful?

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 06:24:28 pm »
If there's flouride in the tap water, regardless of where it is, I will personally break these thugs' necks myself.

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 06:44:32 pm »
im from birmingham. so is there flouride in birmingham tap water?

whats the website? what dosage in ml of flouride is needed for it to be harmful?

ANY is harmful, because it's CUMULATIVE.

There's a fluoride board here:

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 09:23:38 pm »
The body only gets rid of 50% of fluoride ingested or exposed to in showers or baths or pools.
It is a iodine inhibitor. Its a halogen like iodine and bromine. So the best way to get rid of the flouride is to take in more iodine. Best way is the topical kind on the skin.
This site shows how beta carotene actually helps fluoride to harm us. Remember the big push for more beta carotene? there ya go.

http://www.acu-cell.com/fcl.html
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 06:17:30 am »
so its cumulative which means that it builds up.

for example black sludge builds over time in the motor.

Chigs say that flouride is not much in UK and i just somebody to confirm that is there any in birmingham? also i like to know whats the waterboard website?

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 06:24:53 am »
There is some good information about fluoride in this, which was written by Hesh Goldstein. Goldstein has a Master’s degree in Nutrition and has been a moderator of a weekly radio show in Honolulu, Hawaii  called “Health Talk” since 1981.

Fluoridation is the Ultimate Deception (Opinion)
http://www.naturalnews.com/026452_fluoride_health_water.html
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 06:28:46 am »
tons of reading here...

http://www.fluoridealert.org/

btw, my grandfather was a brummy! never understood a single word the man ever said to me  :D
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 06:31:16 am »
The body only gets rid of 50% of fluoride ingested or exposed to in showers or baths or pools.
It is a iodine inhibitor. Its a halogen like iodine and bromine. So the best way to get rid of the flouride is to take in more iodine. Best way is the topical kind on the skin.
This site shows how beta carotene actually helps fluoride to harm us. Remember the big push for more beta carotene? there ya go.

http://www.acu-cell.com/fcl.html
Guys I just had a light bulb moment !
(many of you know I am a scientist right, so i under stand this a bit though its not really my area)
If fluoride is a iodine inhibitor, it will decrease levels of iodine in the body or make any iodine present unusable. If you have less iodine your thyroid gland becomes slow and sluggish and you can`t think straight and you`ll have less energy to do things.
I wonder if thats really why its in there/.
It would be easy to check your thyroid function - simple blood test.
sea salt is a great source of iodine, as is seaweed and kelp - you can get it in pill form if its not your thing !
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2009, 06:35:10 am »
Sorry AHAD! :(

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/NotoFluoridation.php

Fluoridation was introduced into the UK in the 1960s when areas in and around Birmingham and Newcastle were fluoridated, along with the Republic of Ireland, making up 11% of the UK population. The Government has now decided to introduce fluoride into public water supplies throughout Britain, with target areas of Inner London, North-West England and Northern Ireland, with the aim of reducing tooth decay among children in “deprived” areas.

Under the Water Act 2003, water providers will be obliged to add fluoride to their supplies. According to a letter from health minister Hazel Blears and environment minister Elliott Morley to the deputy PM John Prescott, “those who remain adamantly opposed would be able to use water filters that remove fluoride or buy bottled drinking water”.

Campaigners opposed to fluoride include the National Pure Water Association (NPWA), T he Green Network and The Green Party. Green Party spokesperson Mart y n Shrewsbury says, “The general trend in the world is against fluoridation.” He pointed out that the risk of tooth decay in fluoridated Gateshead and non-fluoridated Liverpool is the same.
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2009, 06:35:41 am »
my kids are not cannon fodder for the n.w.o!

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2009, 09:42:30 am »
Sorry AHAD! :(

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/NotoFluoridation.php

Fluoridation was introduced into the UK in the 1960s when areas in and around Birmingham and Newcastle were fluoridated, along with the Republic of Ireland, making up 11% of the UK population. The Government has now decided to introduce fluoride into public water supplies throughout Britain, with target areas of Inner London, North-West England and Northern Ireland, with the aim of reducing tooth decay among children in “deprived” areas.

Under the Water Act 2003, water providers will be obliged to add fluoride to their supplies. According to a letter from health minister Hazel Blears and environment minister Elliott Morley to the deputy PM John Prescott, “those who remain adamantly opposed would be able to use water filters that remove fluoride or buy bottled drinking water”.

Campaigners opposed to fluoride include the National Pure Water Association (NPWA), T he Green Network and The Green Party. Green Party spokesperson Mart y n Shrewsbury says, “The general trend in the world is against fluoridation.” He pointed out that the risk of tooth decay in fluoridated Gateshead and non-fluoridated Liverpool is the same.

where do i get the filters that removes the flouride?

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2009, 09:45:49 am »
Not sure in Uk - there are loads in states - may have to buy from there and have them sent over? let me see what i can find.

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2009, 09:47:08 am »
http://www.uk-water-filters.co.uk/water_problem_fluoride.html

good but expensive - anyone any cheaper solutions?
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2009, 09:48:20 am »


Areas with Fluoride added to Drinking and Tap Water
Scotland and Wales are not fluoridated (yet) but approximately five million people in England live in areas that have drinking water that is polluted with fluoride.

You are one of them if you live in one of the following Postal Districts.

These districts have naturally-fluoridated water at more than 0.5 ppm:

Durham: DH1, 2, part of 6
Essex: CO1-6, 8-10
Lincolnshire: Part of LN13
Peterborough: PE2, 4
Suffolk: IP1-8, 13, 14, 28 to 30, 33
Teesside: TS27, 28
Tyneside: NE25, 26, 29; part of NE30

These districts have artificially fluoridated drinking water:

Berkshire: RG1, 4-6, 40, 41
Birmingham: B6-11, 13-21, 23-34, 37, 40, 42, 45, 60-62, 65-71; parts of Central Birmingham and B36, 38, 43, 44, 46, 47, 63, 64, 90, 92, 97
Buckinghamshire: Parts of SG18, 19
Chelmsford: CM1
Coventry: CV1-6, 10, 11; parts of CV 7-9, 12, 13
Crewe: Parts of CW1, 2, 5-7, 12, 17
Cumbria: CA24, 25, 27, 28
Dartford: DA1
Derby: DE13-15
Doncaster: DN15, 16, 18-21, 38-40; parts of DN9, 10, 17, 22, 31, 37
Dudley: Parts of DY9, 10
Durham: DH2, 7-9; parts of DH15
Lancaster: Parts of LA19
Leicestershire: Parts of LE10, and 18
Lincolnshire: Ln1, 2, 4-7
Milton Keynes: MK17, 43-46
Nottinghamshire: NG18-20; parts of NG17, 21-24, 31, 32, 34
Oxfordshire: Part of OX9
Sheffield: Parts of S80
Shrewsbury: Parts of SY13, 14
Stoke: Parts of ST7, 8
Tonbridge: TN26
Tyneside: NE1 to 6, 8, 12, 15-18, 21, 23, 25-27, 39, 42, 43, 45, 46; parts of NE9-11, 13, 19, 20, 24, 28, 44, 46-48, 65
Walsall
Wolverhampton: WV2, 3, 13, 14; parts of WV6-8
Worcestershire: Part of WR7, 9-11
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2009, 11:55:40 am »
that filter is expensive. are they easy to install?

is there any other cheaper methods of getting rid of flouride from water?

so artificial flouride is worser than natural flouride?


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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2009, 12:07:01 pm »
natural fluoride is natural - so its likely at background levels
man made stuff is likely higher concentrations - and, well could be mixed with all kinds inc chlorine (bleach) YUK!
My tap water smells like a swimming pool - i refuse to drink it.

Not found cheaper units but they should exsist.

US ppl - come on you guys have been dealing with this for ages - tips and hints needed here !
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2009, 11:58:03 pm »
Thanks for all the info everyone! This was yet another topic I had NO idea about! :)

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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2009, 03:25:58 am »
BUMP!

Someone some advice plz???
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2009, 12:16:39 pm »
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2009, 12:31:14 pm »
Nice one chigs - im not sure the 30 quid one will remove fluoride though, it mentions chlorine . . .
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2009, 12:52:19 pm »
Mmmm, the £60 one doesn't mention Floride either, but loads of other bad stuff.... chemistry isn't my strong point so don't know if it's covered under something else  ???
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2009, 12:54:04 pm »
Mmmm, the £60 one doesn't mention Floride either, but loads of other bad stuff.... chemistry isn't my strong point so don't know if it's covered under something else  ???
I think it has to mention it speciically to be sure it will remove it. . .

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will know better?
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2009, 12:55:07 pm »
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2009, 06:51:40 am »
This one for £60 will remove most though:

http://www.uk-water-filters.co.uk/own_tap_water_filter.html#perf

so this one is the best deal in the uk online?

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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2009, 10:59:54 am »
Best I can find anyways.....
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Re: Flouride in Water advice?
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2009, 07:01:24 am »
Wow...I CAN'T convince ANYONE over the dangers of flouride. When I told my mom and sis-in-law over the weekend, they just gave me this, "What in the world are you talking about?!" reactions.

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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2009, 04:50:45 pm »
Wow...I CAN'T convince ANYONE over the dangers of flouride. When I told my mom and sis-in-law over the weekend, they just gave me this, "What in the world are you talking about?!" reactions.
Yeah - that happens - best thing to do is print out the most reliable thing you can find (try phd thread here?) and let them read it . . . along with some material safety data sheets like this one:
http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Sodium_fluoride-9927595
Material Safety Data Sheet
Sodium fluoride MSDS
Section 1: Chemical Product and Company Identification
Product Name: Sodium fluoride
Catalog Codes: SLS2260, SLS3682
CAS#: 7681-49-4
RTECS: WB0350010
TSCA: TSCA 8(b) inventory: Sodium fluoride
CI#: Not available.
Synonym: Sodium Fluoride Powder, Reagent ACS;
Sodium Fluoride Powder, USP, EP, BP; Sodium
Hydrofluoride; Sodium Monofluoride
Chemical Name: Sodium Fluoride
Chemical Formula: NaF
Contact Information:
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14025 Smith Rd.
Houston, Texas 77396
US Sales: 1-800-901-7247
International Sales: 1-281-441-4400
Order Online: ScienceLab.com
CHEMTREC (24HR Emergency Telephone), call:
1-800-424-9300
International CHEMTREC, call: 1-703-527-3887
For non-emergency assistance, call: 1-281-441-4400
Section 2: Composition and Information on Ingredients
Composition:
Name CAS # % by Weight
Sodium fluoride 7681-49-4 100
Toxicological Data on Ingredients: Sodium fluoride: ORAL (LD50): Acute: 52 mg/kg [Rat]. 57 mg/kg [Mouse].
Section 3: Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant, corrosive), of ingestion, of inhalation. Slightly
hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive). Severe over-exposure can result in death.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: A4 (Not classifiable for human or animal.) by ACGIH, 3 (Not classifiable for human.) by
IARC.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast.
TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available.
The substance may be toxic to kidneys, lungs, the nervous system, heart, gastrointestinal tract, cardiovascular
system, bones, teeth.
Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated exposure to a highly
p. 1
toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
Section 4: First Aid Measures
Eye Contact:
Check for and remove any contact lenses. In case of contact, immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at
least 15 minutes. Cold water may be used. Get medical attention immediately.
Skin Contact:
In case of contact, immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated
clothing and shoes. Cover the irritated skin with an emollient. Cold water may be used.Wash clothing before
reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse. Get medical attention immediately.
Serious Skin Contact:
Wash with a disinfectant soap and cover the contaminated skin with an anti-bacterial cream. Seek immediate
medical attention.
Inhalation:
If inhaled, remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get
medical attention.
Serious Inhalation:
Evacuate the victim to a safe area as soon as possible. Loosen tight clothing such as a collar, tie, belt or
waistband. If breathing is difficult, administer oxygen. If the victim is not breathing, perform mouth-to-mouth
resuscitation. Seek medical attention.
Ingestion:
If swallowed, do not induce vomiting unless directed to do so by medical personnel. Never give anything by
mouth to an unconscious person. Loosen tight clothing such as a collar, tie, belt or waistband. Get medical
attention immediately.
Serious Ingestion: Not available.
Section 5: Fire and Explosion Data
Flammability of the Product: Non-flammable.
Auto-Ignition Temperature: Not applicable.
Flash Points: Not applicable.
Flammable Limits: Not applicable.
Products of Combustion: Not available.
Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances: Not applicable.
Explosion Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
Risks of explosion of the product in presence of static discharge: Not available.
Slightly explosive in presence of heat.
Non-explosive in presence of shocks.
Fire Fighting Media and Instructions: Not applicable.
Special Remarks on Fire Hazards: Not available.
Special Remarks on Explosion Hazards: Containers may explode when heated
p. 2
Section 6: Accidental Release Measures
Small Spill: Use appropriate tools to put the spilled solid in a convenient waste disposal container.
Large Spill:
Poisonous solid.
Stop leak if without risk. Do not get water inside container. Do not touch spilled material. Use water spray to
reduce vapors. Prevent entry into sewers, basements or confined areas; dike if needed. Call for assistance on
disposal. Be careful that the product is not present at a concentration level above TLV. Check TLV on the MSDS
and with local authorities.
Section 7: Handling and Storage
Precautions:
Do not ingest. Do not breathe dust. In case of insufficient ventilation, wear suitable respiratory equipment. If
ingested, seek medical advice immediately and show the container or the label. Avoid contact with skin and eyes.
Keep away from incompatibles such as oxidizing agents, metals, acids, alkalis.
Storage: Keep container tightly closed. Keep container in a cool, well-ventilated area.
Section 8: Exposure Controls/Personal Protection
Engineering Controls:
Use process enclosures, local exhaust ventilation, or other engineering controls to keep airborne levels below
recommended exposure limits. If user operations generate dust, fume or mist, use ventilation to keep exposure to
airborne contaminants below the exposure limit.
Personal Protection:
Splash goggles. Lab coat. Dust respirator. Be sure to use an approved/certified respirator or equivalent.
Gloves.
Personal Protection in Case of a Large Spill:
Splash goggles. Full suit. Dust respirator. Boots. Gloves. A self contained breathing apparatus should be used
to avoid inhalation of the product. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist
BEFORE handling this product.
Exposure Limits:
TWA: 2.5 (mg/m3) from NIOSH
Consult local authorities for acceptable exposure limits.
Section 9: Physical and Chemical Properties
Physical state and appearance: Solid. (Crystals solid. crystalline powder.)
Odor: Odorless.
Taste: Salty
Molecular Weight: 41.99 g/mole
Color: White.
pH (1% soln/water): Not available.
Boiling Point: 1704°C (3099.2°F)
Melting Point: 993°C (1819.4°F)
Critical Temperature: Not available.
p. 3
Specific Gravity: 2.78 (Water = 1)
Vapor Pressure: Not applicable.
Vapor Density: Not available.
Volatility: Not available.
Odor Threshold: Not available.
Water/Oil Dist. Coeff.: Not available.
Ionicity (in Water): Not available.
Dispersion Properties: See solubility in water.
Solubility:
Soluble in cold water, hot water.
Solubility in water: 5g/100 ml @ 100 deg. C, 4.3 g/100 @ 25 deg C, 4.0 g/100 ml @ 15 deg. C.
Very slighly soluble in alcohol.
Section 10: Stability and Reactivity Data
Stability: The product is stable.
Instability Temperature: Not available.
Conditions of Instability: Incompatible materials, dust generation, excess heat
Incompatibility with various substances: Reactive with oxidizing agents, metals, acids, alkalis.
Corrosivity: Not available.
Special Remarks on Reactivity:
Contact with metals may evolve flammable hydrogen gas.
Sodium reacts with acids to form hydrogen fluoride.
Alkali fluorides (except lithium salt) absorb Sodium Fluoride to form acid fluorides.
Special Remarks on Corrosivity: Not available.
Polymerization: Will not occur.
Section 11: Toxicological Information
Routes of Entry: Inhalation. Ingestion.
Toxicity to Animals: Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 52 mg/kg [Rat].
Chronic Effects on Humans:
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: A4 (Not classifiable for human or animal.) by ACGIH, 3 (Not classifiable for
human.) by IARC.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast.
May cause damage to the following organs: kidneys, lungs, the nervous system, heart, gastrointestinal tract,
cardiovascular system, bones, teeth.
Other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (corrosive), of ingestion, of inhalation.
Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive).
Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals:
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Lowest Published Lethal Dose:
LDL [Human] - Route: Oral; Dose: 71 mg/kg
LDL [Woman] - Route: Oral; Dose: 90 mg/kg
LDL [Woman] - Route: Oral; Dose: 360 mg/kg
LDL [Mouse] - Route: Skinl; Dose: 300 mg/kg
Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans:
May cause adverse reproductive effects (fertililty, fetoxicity), and birth defects based on animal data. May cause
cancer based on animal data.
May cause genetic (mutagenic) and tumorigenic effects.
Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Acute Potential Health Effects:
Skin: Causes skin irritation and possible burns, especially if skin is wet or moist.
Eyes: Causes eye irritation and burns. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal damage.
Ingestion: Harmful if swallowed. Causes digestive (gastrointestinal) tract irritation and burns. May cause severe
and permanent damage to the digestive. Ingestion of large amounts may cause salivation, thirst, nausea,
vomiting, hypermotility, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. May affect behavior/central nervous system/nervous
system (headache, nervousness, dizziness, seizures, convulsions, tremor, muscle weakness, somnolence),
respiration (respiratory depression, dyspnea), cardiovascular system (weak pulse, hypotension, dysrhythmias,
cardiac arrest), liver, urinary system (polyuria, polydypsia)
brain, metabolism (loss of appetite, hypcalcemia, hyperkalemia, hypomagnesia, ), teeth, bones, and blood
(changes in red and white blood cell count, interference in blood coagulation)
Inhalation: Causes irritation and chemical burns of the respiratory tract with coughing, breathing difficulty and
possibly nasal septum perforation and coma. May affect bones.
Chronic Potential Heath Effects:
Chronic ingestion may cause fluorosis. Effects of fluorisis may include joint pain, weakness, limited joint mobility,
brittle bones, ossifications on x-ray, thickening of long bone cortices, calcificaiton of ligaments, osteomalacia,
osteosclerosis (skeletal (bone and teeth) abnormalties) and mottled tooth enamel. Other symptoms may include
anemia, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea or constipation, kidney damage and weight loss/anorexia.
Chronic inhalation may cause bronchitis to develop with cough, phlegm, and/or shortness of breath.
, liver (hepatic enzymes increased, jaundice),

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